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01:33:52 <[bjoern]> .c 7*6+5+2
01:33:53 <phenny> (7 * 6) + 5 + 2 = 49
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02:27:11 <[bjoern]> lisppaste2: url?
02:27:11 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
02:27:45 <lisppaste2> [bjoern] pasted "bijection n0 x n0 x n0 -> n0" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80409
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03:24:56 <[bjoern]> .c 1 choose 2
03:24:57 <phenny> 1 choose 2 = 0
03:24:59 <[bjoern]> .c 2 choose 2
03:24:59 <phenny> 2 choose 2 = 1
03:25:02 <[bjoern]> .c 0 choose 2
03:25:03 <phenny> 0 choose 2 = 0
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09:14:23 <sbp> yo
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11:15:28 <sbp> oh man, today in government...
11:15:53 <sbp> the courts have decided that the Human Rights Act applies to soldiers
11:16:12 <sbp> the government is, according to BBC News, surprised and disappointed at this ruling
11:16:49 <sbp> so it seems, if this isn't just bad journalism, that our government are surprised and disappointed at the notion that soldiers have human rights
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11:17:31 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8054875.stm
11:17:33 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | MoD loses battlefield rights case
11:18:01 <sbp> yep, here we go:
11:18:02 <sbp> [[[
11:18:03 <sbp> Judges have thrown out a government appeal by deciding that the Human Rights Act can apply to British troops, even on the battlefield.
11:18:03 <sbp> The judgement the MoD appealed against said "right to life" meant it had a legal duty to supply proper equipment.
11:18:04 <sbp> [...]
11:18:11 <sbp> Armed Forces Minister Bob Ainsworth said they were "surprised and disappointed" by the judgement.
11:18:12 <sbp> ]]]
11:36:12 <nslater> sbp: http://www37.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=How+to+cook+a+welshman%3F
11:36:13 <phenny> nslater: 10:45Z <nsh> tell nslater pics of custardinsanity harhttp://squatjuice.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=181999&sid=0334b97ca428f92277e844b8678311cb&start=45
11:36:15 <phenny> nslater: 10:56Z <nsh> tell nslater and here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=78550&id=511491542&ref=nf
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11:45:51 <sbp> chuckle
11:50:28 <sbp> Speaker's statement at 3:30
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14:27:59 <sbp> pfft, where is nsh
14:28:02 <sbp> Arnia: Speaker's statement
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14:31:07 <sbp> starting
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14:35:01 <[bjoern]> yi
14:35:14 <_ulises> iye
14:35:30 <sbp> wow, shouting in the house
14:35:42 <sbp> he's asking the clerk about the motion against him
14:35:46 <sbp> is it early day or substantive?
14:35:57 <sbp> no, it's early day
14:36:58 <sbp> wow, speaker is resisting even friends asking for him to retire early
14:37:08 <sbp> another MP saying this speech has come too late
14:37:47 <sbp> talking about the Sir CK committee
14:38:10 <sbp> the report won't be until the Autumn
14:39:32 <sbp> he's called an emergency meeting of the leaders of all parties, by the way
14:40:30 <sbp> major fuss at some reference I didn't understand
14:40:35 <sbp> about a Norway debate
14:44:11 <sbp> David Davis
14:44:17 <sbp> asking how to raise a substantive motion
14:44:21 <sbp> he's asking the clerk
14:44:24 <sbp> very interesting
14:44:29 <sbp> Davis is a backbencher
14:44:46 <sbp> the government control that, says the clerk, and the Speaker repeated that
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14:46:04 <sbp> asking for it as an opposition day debate
14:48:02 <sbp> wow, he stopped a member from saying that fraud had taken place
14:52:38 <Tene> sbp: look at what I got working last night: http://gist.github.com/113308
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15:06:36 <sbp> Patrick McCormack seems to hint that there's going to be a secret ballot
15:06:45 <sbp> Sir Patrick, even
15:07:09 <sbp> I think that was a weathervane sort of statement
15:07:31 <sbp> (and that if the ballot isn't allowed to proceed, they'll have to "rally round"_
15:07:34 <sbp> ...)
15:10:33 <sbp> "he's just told you that it is a substantive motion!" someone shouted
15:11:04 <sbp> "it can only be proceeded with if it's [or becomes] a substantive motion" was repeated from the clerk
15:17:08 <sbp> Gordon Prentice is convinced there'll be a debate and a vote
15:17:49 <sbp> perhaps by an opposition day debate as was suggested
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15:23:50 <sbp> two MPs now have said they expect the Speaker to be gone within a week
15:24:00 <sbp> (in BBC interviews)
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15:39:25 <sbp> heh, someone shouted "ask the clerk!"
15:41:02 <sbp> .wik Michael White
15:41:03 <phenny> "Michael White (psychotherapist) (1948–2008), inventor of narrative therapy" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_White
15:41:07 <sbp> .wik Michael White journalist
15:41:10 <phenny> "Michael White (born 21 October 1945) is an associate editor and former political editor of The Guardian." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_White_(journalist)
15:44:06 <sbp> Ratcatcher's What Bill? heh
15:46:48 <sbp> Jon Sopel just called it the greatest event in the house in the 20th century or somesuch
15:46:53 <sbp> [sic] on the matter of the century
15:48:26 <sbp> [[[
15:48:27 <sbp> Labour's Gordon Prentice was the first to stand up to ask about the no confidence motion, only to be told it was not a "point of order" - to shouts of "oh yes it is".
15:48:36 <sbp> ]]] — http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8054657.stm
15:49:33 <sbp> .title
15:49:34 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Politics | Angry MPs turn on Commons Speaker
15:49:55 <sbp> this is the reference that I didn't understand, by the way:
15:49:56 <sbp> [[[
15:49:57 <sbp> Veteran Conservative MP Sir Patrick Cormack likened the mood in the Commons to the mood in the nation for the Norway debate - said to be the moment Conservative MPs realised that Neville Chamberlain had to be replaced as prime minister.
15:49:57 <sbp> ]]]
15:50:27 <sbp> and it caused such shock because Sir Patrick is usually independent of party politics and sound and level
16:09:31 * jessica grins. on the Louvre.
16:09:33 <jessica> [[[
16:09:34 <jessica> Do not, however, miss the Peter-Paul Rubens Unabashed Sell-Out and Philistine Sycophant Room on floor two. In 1622 Queen Marie de Medici commissioned Rubens to paint about two dozen Greyhound bus-sized canvases celebrating every moment
16:09:38 <jessica> of her worthless life. The series runs from Queen Marie's birth, attended by all the hosts of heaven, to her marriage to the King of France where they invited every figure in ancient mythology including Io the cow. These paintings take
16:09:42 <jessica> win, place and show in the international hilarious fat girl derby.
16:09:45 <jessica> ]]]
16:09:48 <jessica> - P.J. O'Rourke on the Louvre, 1986.
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17:07:25 <[bjoern]> yo
17:07:39 <sbp> yo cap'n b
17:09:22 <sbp> a seagle? heh
17:09:35 <[bjoern]> how isn't things?
17:09:42 <sbp> ugh, don't even ask
17:09:47 <sbp> administrivia up the wazoo
17:10:00 <[bjoern]> she sounds hot
17:10:00 <sbp> you know when something is clear
17:10:12 <sbp> documented, there's a paper trail, everything is obvious and well specified
17:10:15 <sbp> and then someone makes a mistake
17:10:21 <sbp> and you correct it by citing documentation
17:10:25 <sbp> and they say okay and correct it
17:10:30 <[bjoern]> awful!
17:10:31 <sbp> and then they make the same mistake
17:10:38 <[bjoern]> that's more like it
17:10:40 <sbp> and you correct it in the same way, and they go okay, okay
17:10:47 <sbp> AND THEN THEY MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN
17:11:10 <sbp> so I just had to write an account of the problem in excruciating detail
17:11:29 <sbp> so that it can be... well. I don't know at this point
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17:12:04 <sbp> the interesting thing is that now one person is saying it has been fixed
17:12:08 <sbp> and one person is saying that it hasn't been fixed
17:12:15 <sbp> so there's all the excitement of wondering if it's been fixed or not
17:12:43 <sbp> the most baffling thing is that it's in most parties' interests if the problem is fixed
17:12:55 <sbp> so it doesn't quite make sense that it's not being fixed
17:13:17 <sbp> especially since I made sure that the documentation was put into place right from the start because I knew this would be a problem!
17:13:20 <[bjoern]> assignments for early april include writing in java a function that checks if a string is well formed xml. it says i may ignore attributes. i've also confirmed, though it does not say that, i can ignore all other details too, i only have to check end tags match up with start tags, and maybe text between tags...
17:13:45 <[bjoern]> oh it also says i can ignore empty element tags
17:13:48 <sbp> and that at every step I've been clear when it's wrong and that it needs to be fixed, despite the fact that it shouldn't have gone wrong anyway of course
17:13:59 <sbp> for early April?
17:14:03 <sbp> you might be a bit late on those
17:14:18 <sbp> unless you're counting months in a different way this year
17:14:32 <[bjoern]> wait, it's may already?
17:14:55 <sbp> yeah...
17:15:00 <sbp> mid May, in fact
17:15:03 <[bjoern]> sux
17:15:45 <[bjoern]> i also discovered, again most likely, that the RDF as XHTML TF along with the XHTML2 WG found a solution to the problem
17:16:00 <[bjoern]> that arbitrary namespace declarations do not jive with DTD validation
17:16:03 <sbp> oh yeah?
17:16:16 <sbp> ooh, ooh, let me guess
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17:16:42 <sbp> they'll just ignore what DTDs can't do and pretend that they can?
17:17:38 <[bjoern]> The other guess I would have expected is they declare <!ATTLIST html xmlns:a CDATA #IMPLIED xmlns:b CDATA #IMPLIED ... xml:zzzzzzz CDATA #IMPLIED>
17:17:43 <[bjoern]> but they went with your option
17:17:57 <[bjoern]> they even smuggled a patch into the Markup Validator
17:18:00 <sbp> YES!
17:18:04 <[bjoern]> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2009May/0000.html
17:18:16 <[bjoern]> and bugs w3 org 800
17:18:22 <[bjoern]> .g bugs w3 org 800
17:18:24 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://bugs.php.net/42223
17:18:31 <[bjoern]> well that did not work out well
17:19:06 <[bjoern]> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=800#c5
17:21:12 <sbp> --
17:21:13 <sbp> Unfortunately, this is somewhat challenging to
17:21:13 <sbp> implement in validation engine that we have available.
17:21:14 <sbp> --
17:21:20 <sbp> grammar engine also need check
17:22:27 <[bjoern]> there is also a www-validator posting referencing the bug
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18:17:58 <[bjoern]> .seen yod
18:17:59 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen yod around.
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18:26:47 <jsled> .seen you
18:26:48 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen you around.
18:27:08 <jsled> .seen anyone
18:27:09 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen anyone around.
18:27:38 <jsled> .seen yourcarkeys
18:27:38 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen yourcarkeys around.
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18:30:52 <[bjoern]> Haskell people around?
18:31:17 <[bjoern]> have list of ints, want to replace all occurences of int x by int y, looking for a neat solution
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18:33:58 <Charles> Recursively?
18:34:37 <[bjoern]> In Perl I would have done map { $_ == $X ? $Y : $_ } @list
18:36:25 <[bjoern]> I guess the equivalent would be map (\p -> if p == 5 then 2 else p) [0..9]
18:40:41 * deltab nods
18:40:56 <deltab> I don't see any library function for it
18:41:24 <[bjoern]> #haskell could not come up with something yet either
18:51:41 <tav> .calc 1000 gbp in eur
18:51:44 <phenny> 1000 gbp in eur = 1000 gbp -> eur eur
18:51:48 <tav> .calc 1000 gbp in usd
18:51:49 <phenny> 1000 gbp in usd = 1000 gbp -> usd usd
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19:02:51 <deltab> “giant plasma televisions, trouser presses, and moats” — together at last!
19:02:55 <deltab> (Channel 4 News)
19:05:02 <cre8radix> .calculate 1000 GBP in Euro
19:05:33 <cre8radix> .c 1000 GBP in Euro
19:05:34 <phenny> 1000 British pounds = 1 133.75796 Euros
19:05:40 <cre8radix> ah
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19:50:51 <[bjoern]> Now I could use neater syntax for sortBy (\a -> \b -> compare (a!!2) (b!!2)) [[1,1,1],[2,2,2],[0,0,0]]
19:51:19 <nsh> phenny, en fi "hourglass"?
19:51:20 <phenny> nsh: "tiimalasi" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
19:52:58 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/17/mps-pay-expenses-poll-tax
19:53:00 <phenny> [bjoern]: The week Britain turned its anger on politicians | Politics | The Observer
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19:57:41 <tav> libby!!!
19:57:43 <nsh> [[[
19:57:43 <Monty> who, Abu Hamza.
19:57:45 <nsh> Politics has always bred scandals, from the Profumo affair to "cash for questions", but previously voters knew which party to blame - and simply switched to their opponents. With every party now implicated, that safety valve has gone, says Ruth Fox, from the Hansard Society, a constitutional thinktank: "In the past, a general election would serve as a cleansing element to the body politic. That option is not available to voters
19:57:45 <nsh> now."
19:57:48 <nsh> ]]]
19:57:50 <nsh> wtf
19:57:51 * tav gives libby a big kiss
19:57:54 <libby> tav!
19:58:04 * libby looking at http://todayisa.com/
20:00:08 <tav> lol
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20:01:21 *** nsh changed the topic to: " An instrument of punishment, the nature and operation of which in early times is uncertain; from 16th c. usually identified with cucking-stool."
20:02:50 <nsh> phenny, en fi "political unrest"?
20:02:51 <phenny> nsh: "poliittiset levottomuudet" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
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21:23:30 * clsn misread a statement in the bzr docs today, which touted its quality as "free software written in python." I thought it said "free from software written in python" and wondered why it felt that was so important.
21:26:10 <jsled> heh
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21:50:16 <clsn> .gs free from *
21:50:17 <phenny> free from *: adobe (7), mphone (5), nba's (4), vendio (3), homosexuality (3)
21:56:41 <JibberJim> .gs with * included
21:56:42 <phenny> with * included: utilities (7), breakfast (7), vertimus (6), loadmodule (4)
21:56:56 <JibberJim> .gs with added *
21:56:57 <phenny> with added *: functionality (5), benefits (5), value (4), sugars (4)
22:00:36 <JibberJim> .g no added *
22:00:37 <phenny> JibberJim: http://www.noaddedsugar.com/
22:00:45 <JibberJim> .gs no added *
22:00:46 <phenny> no added *: sugar (91), salt (8), preservatives (8), hormones (6), value (5)
22:02:08 <clsn> Vertimus? WTF is vertimus?
22:02:11 <clsn> .wik vertimus
22:02:13 <phenny> "Vulgate" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alastair_Haines/Vulgate
22:02:20 <clsn> .g vertimus
22:02:20 <phenny> clsn: https://launchpad.net/vertimus
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22:27:50 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus start
22:27:52 <phenny> [bjoern]: beginning, birth, foundation, onset, dawn, opening, outset, inception, initiation, commencement / lead, advantage, edge, boon, plus, gain, head start / twitch, jump, jerk, flinch, jolt / shock, fright, surprise, turn
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23:36:42 <[bjoern]> this i like better than the original http://orz.4chan.org/hr/src/1242685194699.jpg
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