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01:35:21 <Monty2> welcome, wkearney99
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06:26:17 <xover> Arnia: ping?
06:29:52 <xover> phenny: ask Arnia You're qualified to opine/evaluate on topics like confirmation bias and group polarization in group and personal interactions, right? Would you mind if I shot you a paper (fairly low level stuff) for comments at some point?
06:29:53 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
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07:38:45 <cre8radix> moin:zen
07:54:22 <cre8radix> via salvage: http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=82303895892&h=8CpWg&u=svoaU&ref=nf
07:54:42 <cre8radix> http://unemploymentality.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/contstructionworkers_web.jpg
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08:18:00 <_ulises> well, Andre doesn't seem to be doing that great a job tbh
08:18:25 <_ulises> plus he poses a health risk, look at how he bends! clearly against all the health and safety regulations
08:18:41 <_ulises> we wouldn't want him suing us 10 years down the road
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08:32:01 <mahound> hey
08:43:26 <sbp> yo
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08:44:54 <sbp> man, mps-pay-expenses-poll-tax is hilarious
08:45:23 <sbp> [[[
08:45:23 <sbp> Professor Vernon Bogdanor, an Oxford don and constitutional expert, says the crisis is unparalleled in British politics: "The scandals in the French third and fourth republics are probably the nearest thing."
08:45:24 <sbp> ]]]
08:45:34 <sbp> seems to me we have something like this about once every decade or two...
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09:26:22 <sbp> hmm, no storks. no eggs. no chicks
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10:09:41 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8057203.stm
10:09:43 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Politics | Under-fire Speaker to step down
10:13:18 <sbp> statement at 2:30
10:16:18 <sbp> "he's expected to stand down soon, but not immediately"
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11:18:08 <Monty2> But what does Arnia have to do with the price of fish?
11:32:34 <sbp> aaargh. the news are saying we have deflation
11:32:45 <sbp> because (CPI) inflation fell from 2.9% to 2.3%
11:32:57 <sbp> a fall in inflation still means inflation, kthx!
11:33:17 <sbp> even if you average RPI and CPI we've got inflation
11:38:51 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-tan
11:38:52 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
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12:09:49 <nslater> yo sbp
12:09:49 <phenny> nslater: 11:38Z <sbp> tell nslater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-tan
12:10:07 <sbp> yo
12:10:41 <nslater> heh
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12:23:20 <[bjoern]> yi
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13:09:13 <sbp> .yi
13:09:14 <phenny> Not yet...
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13:14:54 <sbp> wonder who leaked the information?
13:25:29 <kpreid> .gc "Postel's Lawyer"
13:25:30 <phenny> "Postel's Lawyer": 11
13:29:21 <sbp> Speaker's statement coming up
13:31:03 <sbp> the news are talking about a possible interim Speaker
13:34:30 <sbp> speech starting
13:34:37 <sbp> Sunday 21st June
13:34:50 <sbp> 22nd June they'll elect a new speaker
13:34:54 <sbp> that's it, statement over
13:35:20 <sbp> wow, straight into Cypriots
13:35:43 <sbp> they need to breed terse and succint to form a new word for this
13:36:01 <sbp> *succinct
13:36:08 <sbp> suct?
13:37:41 <sbp> it's not even on news.bbc.co.uk yet
13:38:06 <sbp> "600 MPs to listen to questions about Cyprus..."
13:38:53 <sbp> all Lib Dems cleared out, many Conservatives, quite a few Labour
13:39:54 <jessica> "Things a Lib Dem candidate might say." "Oh, bloody hell, what's the point?"
13:40:02 <sbp> .tock
13:40:03 <phenny> "Tue, 19 May 2009 13:40:03 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
13:43:51 <sbp> .gc "independent quangos"
13:43:52 <phenny> "independent quangos": 23
13:43:53 <sbp> .gc "independent quangoes"
13:43:53 <phenny> "independent quangoes": 0
13:59:52 <[bjoern]> check www-archive
13:59:55 <[bjoern]> also, yo
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14:35:59 <sbp> .gc OnyX "OS X"
14:35:59 <phenny> OnyX "OS X": 72,300
14:36:03 <sbp> .gc TinkerTool "OS X"
14:36:03 <phenny> TinkerTool "OS X": 18,000
14:39:13 <sbp> .title http://5thirtyone.com/archives/506
14:39:14 <phenny> sbp: CMD+K search in Safari - Derek Punsalan - 5ThirtyOne
14:39:20 <[bjoern]> so what say you to the director's response?
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15:11:00 <[bjoern]> apparently our constitution is out of print.
15:11:39 <sbp> ooh, yeah. checking
15:12:11 <sbp> ah!
15:12:21 <sbp> wonder how he saw about it?
15:12:32 <sbp> you and your unprofessionalism
15:13:24 <sbp> hmm, what do you think about the list suggestion?
15:14:14 <[bjoern]> Yeah, I feel very bad about my unprofessionalism.
15:14:54 <[bjoern]> Oh last I suggested that to W3C Management they weren't interested.
15:16:08 <[bjoern]> On the other hand, there is also W3C staff complaining my message was insufficiently entertaining.
15:16:31 <sbp> you should get signatures on an early day motion to remove the speak^Wdirector
15:17:13 <[bjoern]> Why, it does not appear the director is at fault here in any way.
15:18:25 <sbp> oh?
15:18:26 <sbp> --
15:18:26 <sbp> After looking at this, my conclusion, shared by others, is that the
15:18:26 <sbp> Director's decision has to be rescinded.
15:18:27 <sbp> --
15:19:14 <sbp> public review sounds like a good idea
15:19:26 <sbp> because that way, everybody can miss the transition because they didn't subscribe to the list
15:19:41 <sbp> and the W3C can turn gradually into the IETF
15:20:33 <sbp> I'm extremely amused by this, by the way
15:20:40 <[bjoern]> Well that just says it should not stand, not that he should not have made it in the first place.
15:20:45 <[bjoern]> How so?
15:20:48 <sbp> but you would pick a day where I have computer maintenance conundra
15:21:08 <sbp> off out, will explain after this
15:21:21 <[bjoern]> fun you shall have on your way.
15:24:50 <jsled> wow, you got up to 'l'.
15:34:03 <sbp> yeah, heh, I liked that
15:34:16 <sbp> I also liked, as I've mentioned, that it was a www-archive affair
15:34:26 <sbp> upholding the tradition that all the best stuff takes place on www-archive
15:34:49 <sbp> I also like how TimBL can't spell tale
15:35:08 <sbp> (and then thanks you for your attention to detail)
15:35:59 <clsn> And the tone wasn't even THAT sarcastic/unprofessional. Not more so than what was being pointed out.
15:36:18 <sbp> yeah. quite restrained, really
15:36:42 <clsn> Not that I understood most of it. The alphabet soup of requirements and DTDs and Notes and whatnot are all just blah blah blah to me, I'm afraid.
15:37:28 <sbp> basically there were loads of problems
15:37:35 <sbp> group completely ignored dozens and dozens of them
15:37:40 <sbp> director advances the specification
15:37:52 <sbp> Björn points out (unprofessionally) the catalogue of overlooked errors
15:37:56 <clsn> That much I could understand, and that was enough.
15:38:03 <sbp> to a completely unconnected mailing list
15:38:18 <sbp> where it still gets picked up and apparently dealt with
15:38:20 <clsn> Oh, the completely unconnected mailing list connection I missed; I assumed it was the right place.
15:38:43 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Where Unprofessionalism Furthers"
15:39:02 <[bjoern]> No, I tried all the right places and professional tone before. Did not work out very well.
15:39:28 <sbp> when all you really needed was Spiderman
15:39:31 <clsn> But tell the press about it and have them plaster it on the tabloids, and you'll get results.
15:39:36 <sbp> see, you should've thought about Spiderman from the beginning
15:39:55 <sbp> and the child garden
15:40:19 <sbp> so now it'll be nice to see how many issues they fix
15:40:23 <sbp> and how long it'll take them to do that
15:40:35 <sbp> and then how the process for transitions changes (if at all)
15:40:42 <[bjoern]> Sarcasm would have been to say, we must accept this going on, as it would be cruel to take away their toys.
15:41:12 <sbp> I would have reopened the issues
15:41:15 <sbp> one email per issue
15:41:20 <[bjoern]> The title appears to be popular, but I doubt many got it. In fact, there are complaints I did not explain it.
15:41:23 <sbp> CCing everybody involved on each issue
15:41:29 <sbp> yeah, I didn't get it
15:41:32 <sbp> but I knew better than to ask
15:43:39 <[bjoern]> With great power comes ... the expectation that others will do your job for you.
15:43:57 <sbp> .leo spider
15:43:58 <phenny> spider (tech.) = das Dornhaltekreuz, der Dornhaltersteg, der Dornsteghalter, das Drehkreuz, der Königsstein
15:43:59 <phenny> spider (autom.) = der Kreuzschlüssel, das Radkreuz
15:43:59 <sbp> .leo man
15:44:00 <phenny> spider = die Spinne
15:44:01 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=spider
15:44:03 <phenny> man pl.: men = die Figur (Schach), der Mann - Pl. die Männer, das Mannsbild - Pl. die Mannsbilder, der Mensch, die Schachfigur
15:44:04 <phenny> der Lehnsmann = man pl.: men
15:44:04 <phenny> all-round man = der Alleskönner, der Universalist
15:44:05 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=man
15:44:13 <sbp> .gc XHTML Spinnemann
15:44:15 <phenny> XHTML Spinnemann: 1
15:44:21 <sbp> .g XHTML Spinnemann
15:44:21 <phenny> sbp: http://kinkimag.com/blog/bericht-aus-der-bronx-generationenboys-wollen-tangas/
15:44:34 <[bjoern]> it would more like Spinnenmann
15:44:45 <sbp> .gc XHTML Spinnenmann
15:44:46 <phenny> XHTML Spinnenmann: 18
15:44:47 <sbp> .g XHTML Spinnenmann
15:44:48 <phenny> sbp: http://www.totzumittag.de/?p=1064
15:45:02 <sbp> Kinki Mag was better
15:45:25 <[bjoern]> quite
15:48:39 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell cre8radix http://www.dubistterrorist.de/
15:48:39 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
15:49:52 <[bjoern]> very great
16:07:54 <kpreid> .gc "pancake assault"
16:07:55 <phenny> "pancake assault": 4
16:08:23 <[bjoern]> better throw shoe cakes.
16:08:27 <[bjoern]> It's double the insult.
16:09:08 <[bjoern]> I would not be surprised if they had superiour aerodynamic properties.
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16:34:07 <[bjoern]> "Will the adoption of the dozenal system take place before or after the adoption of Esperanto as universal language?" - Andreas Prilop
16:44:21 <sbp> .g "adoption of the dozenal system"
16:44:22 <phenny> sbp: No results found for '"adoption of the dozenal system"'.
16:44:33 <[bjoern]> (unicode ml)
16:44:46 <sbp> in the olden days they used to call it duodecimal
16:45:06 <[bjoern]> yeah, that was in a parenthetical there aswell
16:45:17 <[bjoern]> Also, mailing lists without archived-at header sux.
16:45:30 <[bjoern]> With Usenet we had no such problem.
16:46:26 <[bjoern]> .c (1/2)^-1
16:46:27 <phenny> (1 / 2)^(-1) = 2
16:47:49 <Charles> .c (-1)^0.5
16:47:50 <phenny> (-1)^0.5 = i
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16:52:39 <[bjoern]> "SourceForge.net feature deprecation upcoming: forums, DocManager, TaskManager, Diary/Notes"
16:53:03 <[bjoern]> I always disabled docmanager, taskmanager, diary/notes, and much other crap, and usually the forums, but what are they replacing those with?
16:53:16 <[bjoern]> let's us read the message to uncover the truth
16:53:43 <[bjoern]> "The Hosted Apps offering, launched last September, has been expanded to include new apps, and is continuing to have a strong rate of adoption among projects."
16:53:46 <[bjoern]> never heard of that
16:54:28 <[bjoern]> "Discussion Forums will be replaced by phpBB"
16:54:57 <[bjoern]> Well phpBB is probably not much worse than their current offering
16:55:10 <[bjoern]> .g sourceforge "Hosted Apps"
16:55:11 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Hosted%20Apps
16:55:28 <[bjoern]> -> http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Hosted%20Apps
16:56:48 <[bjoern]> whoa they have mediawiki now instead of whatever crap they had last i checked?
16:57:15 <[bjoern]> they must have hired someone who does not understand how to make sf.net suck more.
16:57:49 <[bjoern]> "Developer-specific instances of Hosted Apps may be used for personal content."
16:58:08 <[bjoern]> I always wanted my own online wiki without all the hassle of installing and maintaining it...
16:58:58 <[bjoern]> http://sourceforge.net/ is hilarious, given the announcement
16:59:11 <[bjoern]> (they show stats for forum posts today, 723 currently)
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17:00:17 <[bjoern]> http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sourceforge/raw-attachment/ticket/35/support_addr.png
17:01:01 <[bjoern]> "SCM (source code management) services: Subversion, Git, Mercurial, Bazaar, CVS"
17:01:08 <[bjoern]> Did not check for Bazaar last time
17:01:14 <[bjoern]> wtf is Bazaar anyway
17:01:15 <[bjoern]> .wik Bazaar
17:01:15 <phenny> "A bazaar (Persian: بازار), (Urdu: باذار), (Turkish: pazar) is a permanent merchandising area, marketplace, or street of shops where goods and services are exchanged or sold." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazaar
17:01:25 <[bjoern]> Yeah that I knew
17:01:44 <sbp> you knew it was بازار in Persian?
17:01:51 <sbp> .whois بازار.com
17:01:59 <sbp> .o whois بازار.com
17:02:02 <phenny> <pre>Traceback (most recent call last):
17:02:17 <sbp> phenny: tell nslater <sbp> .o whois بازار.com <phenny> <pre>Traceback (most recent call last):
17:02:18 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
17:02:37 <[bjoern]> No, I only know Urdu.
17:02:42 <sbp> oh, hmm
17:02:58 <sbp> does Swhack cater properly for bums?
17:03:31 <[bjoern]> You are asking if there are sufficiently many hot chicks on swhack?
17:03:32 <sbp> hey, Hampton Court Palace was just on the Simpsons
17:03:46 <sbp> yeah, all questions on Swhack have that undertone
17:03:51 <sbp> even the ones from the hot chicks themselves
17:04:05 <[bjoern]> The answer is no
17:04:12 <sbp> the queen's womb is filled with sea serpents
17:05:03 <[bjoern]> One of them escaped some decades ago.
17:05:13 <sbp> this is a pretty good summary of Henry VIII's reign
17:05:35 <sbp> Flanders is Sir Thomas More
17:05:40 <sbp> that's a surprise
17:06:12 <sbp> .gc "grow a penis or get lost"
17:06:13 <phenny> "grow a penis or get lost": 5
17:06:14 <[bjoern]> Is his wife still dead?
17:06:20 <sbp> which one? oh, Flanders
17:06:21 <sbp> yeah
17:06:21 <Monty2> (is how come across as possible, even more for jobs that undertone
17:06:45 <sbp> Monty2: *)*
17:06:47 <Monty2> http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7131/pircbot.jpg
17:06:49 <[bjoern]> Monty2 is seeking to get laid for lols.
17:06:52 <Monty2> ^^ thats somthing like "fti = lecturer (in the Simpsons
17:07:10 <sbp> Monty2: *)*
17:07:11 <Monty2> lame processing pedestal?
17:07:13 <sbp> Monty2: *"*
17:07:14 <Monty2> 22nd June
17:07:38 <sbp> the Act of Succession just got a mention on the Simpsons
17:07:44 <[bjoern]> *)* is related to your bum question.
17:07:50 <sbp> ooh
17:08:22 <[bjoern]> Homer discovers he is #329383 and wants to ass ass in all above him?
17:08:38 <sbp> no, Homer is Henry VIII
17:08:47 <[bjoern]> speaking of persian
17:08:50 <[bjoern]> .wik Assassin
17:08:51 <phenny> "Assassination is the targeted killing of a public figure." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin
17:08:58 <[bjoern]> you suck
17:09:08 <sbp> me, or phenny?
17:09:12 <[bjoern]> "The term 'Assassin' derives from the Persian word Hashshashin (Ar: حشاشون \ جماعة الحشاشين),[2] a militant Ismailite Persian sect, active in the Northern parts of Iran (Alamut) from the eighth to the fourteenth centuries."
17:09:15 <[bjoern]> yes.
17:09:19 <sbp> ah
17:09:41 <[bjoern]> Google got that as excerpt
17:10:45 <[bjoern]> .gc hashs hash in a penis
17:10:45 <phenny> hashs hash in a penis: 35,900
17:10:55 <sbp> Swhack ought to invent a new and untried form of $thing
17:11:02 <sbp> for some value of $thing
17:11:23 <[bjoern]> phenny, "ledigt"?
17:11:23 <phenny> [bjoern]: "free" (sv to en, translate.google.com)
17:11:31 <[bjoern]> phenny, de "ledig"?
17:11:32 <phenny> [bjoern]: "ledig" (de to en, translate.google.com)
17:11:36 <[bjoern]> .leo ledig
17:11:37 <sbp> suggestions:
17:11:37 <phenny> ledig = lone a., single a., unmarried a., unwed also: unwedded a.
17:11:38 <Monty2> second
17:11:38 <phenny> ledig bleiben = to remain single
17:11:39 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=ledig
17:12:04 <sbp> sex, bacon, fairy cakes, ballerinas, Paris, punk rock
17:12:22 <[bjoern]> Sounds like a good weekend
17:12:39 <sbp> yeah, fairy cakes are great
17:12:58 <[bjoern]> Quite fair indeed?
17:13:00 <Jibbler> Monty2: was someone struggling to make a pircbot? :(
17:13:02 <Monty2> psychotic electrified staples.
17:13:34 <[bjoern]> on a channel you and Monty hang out on no less
17:13:36 <Monty2> .whois بازار.com
17:13:39 <Jibbler> oh yeah!
17:13:56 <Jibbler> heh, i haven't actually seen that picture either!
17:14:15 <Jibbler> coincidentally enough, i made this video last night http://www.vimeo.com/4716128
17:14:38 <[bjoern]> I suspect the problem is that MyBotMain is not a .class there in the directory...
17:15:06 <Jibbler> the problem is the .java.txt files i'd imagine....
17:15:31 <[bjoern]> What I'm saying. Rename, javac, then try again
17:16:11 <[bjoern]> IE7, or 8?
17:16:15 <Jibbler> .class doesn't come into it
17:16:22 <Jibbler> not at that stage at least
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17:16:53 <sbp> we should blow our noses on a raccoon
17:16:56 <Jibbler> probably 7 if you're referring to the video
17:17:00 <[bjoern]> Oh I was looking at the part after the second dir, didn't see the javac *.java above
17:17:32 <[bjoern]> Yeah. The pronounciation of "pirc" is terrifying. "Pör'k"
17:18:48 <sbp> Bart is Mozart
17:18:51 <sbp> Mozbart?
17:19:14 <[bjoern]> Don't make up names like that without saying it's unrelated to Mozilla
17:19:17 <[bjoern]> it's scary otherwise.
17:20:27 <[bjoern]> Wolfgang Amadeus Mozbart ... I don't like the t, it makes for inconsistent distribution of scenders among the names.
17:20:39 <sbp> it's unrelated to Mozilla
17:20:46 <[bjoern]> Yeah now you tell me
17:21:01 <sbp> you still won't even tell me about Spidermann!
17:21:07 <[bjoern]> I did!
17:21:13 <[bjoern]> You just did not realize it, apparently
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17:23:11 <sbp> if it was this:
17:23:30 <sbp> <[bjoern]> With great power comes ... the expectation that others will do your job for you.
17:23:37 <sbp> I googled for it and there was nothing. NOTHING
17:23:45 <[bjoern]> not even swhack logs?
17:24:10 <[bjoern]> perhaps the tagline of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145487/ helps
17:24:12 <sbp> not yet
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17:24:14 <sbp> .title
17:24:16 <phenny> sbp: Spider-Man (2002)
17:24:30 <sbp> AWWW, YEAH!
17:25:27 <[bjoern]> So the two parts of the title are criticism of two separate entities.
17:26:53 <sbp> I don't think you should have made it so complicated
17:27:01 <sbp> it's bound to have bugs
17:27:06 <sbp> people are bound to raise issues
17:27:09 <sbp> and you're bound to ignore them
17:27:22 <[bjoern]> I'm not that into bondage.
17:27:23 <sbp> then when we go to Subject (Edited), the problems will still be there
17:28:24 <[bjoern]> I didn't want people to add unsubtle to unprofessional.
17:28:39 <[bjoern]> I emulate feelings too, you know.
17:28:55 <cre8radix> sbp: i found that video of you...
17:28:55 <phenny> cre8radix: 15:48Z <[bjoern]> tell cre8radix http://www.dubistterrorist.de/
17:28:57 <sbp> EMULATE THIS
17:28:58 <Monty2> Now he is to pastebin.öcom
17:29:07 <sbp> doesn't work without the gestures
17:29:15 <cre8radix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4
17:29:18 <sbp> .title
17:29:19 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - It's Peanut Butter Jelly Time!!!
17:29:22 <cre8radix> :D
17:30:01 <[bjoern]> .u
17:30:01 <phenny> U+0010 (No name found)
17:30:10 <sbp> oh yeah.
17:30:33 <[bjoern]> And there I wander through my unicode apps wondering why none if them would display it
17:30:56 <cre8radix> .u skull
17:30:56 <phenny> U+2620 SKULL AND CROSSBONES (☠)
17:30:57 <sbp> snow glyph
17:31:08 <cre8radix> sbp: like it?
17:31:10 <cre8radix> :)
17:31:36 <[bjoern]> the word is hideous
17:32:12 <[bjoern]> Although perhaps a good alternative to lobotomy.
17:32:47 <[bjoern]> 'Laconica (pronounced "luh-KAWN-ih-kuh") is a Free and Open Source microblogging platform'
17:32:54 <[bjoern]> pronounced What?
17:33:02 <cre8radix> [bjoern]: knew that one... nice
17:33:08 <cre8radix> http://www.monochrom.at/english/2009/05/anarcho-transhumanism-and-hacking.htm
17:33:41 <cre8radix> ""What if DIY robot hackers assembled fleets of drones to aid in Copwatch programs, using sousveillance to keep abuses of authority in line?
17:33:46 <cre8radix> hrhr
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17:34:24 <[bjoern]> .gc +Micromedia
17:34:25 <phenny> +Micromedia: 128,000
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18:12:59 <cre8radix> lol
18:19:56 <[bjoern]> sbp, http://www.pfalzstorch.de/bilder/live1.html
18:20:21 <sbp> yeah
18:20:22 <sbp> 10:47 <sbp> hmm, no storks. no eggs. no chicks
18:20:34 <[bjoern]> storkblog has news
18:20:36 <[bjoern]> reading
18:20:41 <sbp> did they get hoovered up?
18:23:51 <[bjoern]> inexperienced parents, lacked some good diy nest building manual, combined with much rain made for cool temperatures for the storklings
18:24:20 <sbp> they hatched and then froze?
18:24:22 <[bjoern]> fed them insufficiently, threw them all out of the nest
18:24:26 <sbp> ...ah
18:24:39 <[bjoern]> 12-13 days old when they found them
18:25:07 <sbp> have they said yet if it was the same parents as last year?
18:25:24 <[bjoern]> alternative expl, one of the parents may have been hurt or ill
18:25:36 <sbp> like fightstork?
18:25:42 <[bjoern]> perhaps
18:25:50 <[bjoern]> that would be unlikely by now, given then they'd have some experience
18:26:10 <[bjoern]> they are checking whether this was their first round of, ya no, doing it
18:26:51 <[bjoern]> I didn't read the personal remarks on this, they are very attached to the storks
18:27:06 <sbp> but not the storklings, I assume
18:27:36 <[bjoern]> I'd imagine full storkverse fancy
18:28:26 <cre8radix> .seen mnl_
18:28:26 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen mnl_ around.
18:28:32 <cre8radix> .seen mnl__
18:28:33 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen mnl__ around.
18:28:35 <cre8radix> .seen mnl
18:28:36 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen mnl around.
18:30:25 <sbp> another Speaker's statement
18:31:16 <sbp> Speaker takes his seat
18:31:37 <sbp> oh, it's about the party leaders meeting
18:32:02 <[bjoern]> so how did the call for resignation go?
18:32:12 <sbp> he resigned, effective June 21st
18:32:44 <sbp> he's announcing interim measures now for expenses
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18:33:09 <sbp> furniture, household goods, cleaning, gardening, capital something
18:33:14 <sbp> none of these are claimable anymore
18:33:29 <[bjoern]> "Somebody mailed me a copy of [Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs]. Now what would they mean by that...?" - Guido van Rossum, 18 May 2009.
18:33:35 <sbp> rent, mortgage interest, council tax, utilities, telephone, line rental, insurance
18:33:38 <sbp> all claimable
18:33:53 <sbp> no changes to be made to designations of second homes in 2009 and 2010
18:34:07 <sbp> capital gains tax: members must be open with the tax authorities
18:34:22 <sbp> (these measures come into force immediately)
18:34:27 <[bjoern]> Is britain shocked it worked?
18:34:41 <sbp> not particularly. perhaps a bit faster than we thought though
18:35:01 <sbp> limit of one person's accommodation allowance
18:35:04 <sbp> for married MPs
18:35:12 <[bjoern]> If you can make anybody resign by having a couple of people sign some statement, ... the terrorists win?
18:35:44 <sbp> on the terrorists winning, there was a separate thing which is being ridiculued
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18:36:25 <sbp> mortgage interest claims capped at £1250/month
18:36:59 * [bjoern] can't tell if sbp is reporting actual results, or making things up as he goes.
18:37:00 <sbp> all authorised payments will be published online by the Dept. of Resources, quarterly
18:37:13 <sbp> maybe I slipped in one or two
18:37:48 * nsh aslides convertationwards
18:37:55 <nsh> *sation
18:37:57 <sbp> the PM gave a paper asking for reform
18:38:02 <sbp> and some of the party leaders supported it
18:38:11 <nsh> hrm
18:38:20 <sbp> but we've heard through the news that some party leaders have been arguing they didn't support it and are being made to sound as though they do
18:38:38 <sbp> various hear, hear
18:38:39 <nsh> INTRIGUE
18:38:47 <sbp> heh, heh
18:38:58 <sbp> Harman says the paper will be made available in the library
18:39:01 <sbp> widespread clapping
18:39:08 <sbp> (at the Speaker giving way)
18:39:12 <nsh> heh
18:39:20 <[bjoern]> because, if it's in the library, nobody will come and look at it?
18:39:26 <nsh> always a safe bet
18:39:37 <sbp> clapping the interim measures
18:39:41 <[bjoern]> (easily ensured by posting hot librarians, if people show up anyway)
18:39:57 * nsh goes watch parliament too
18:40:03 <nsh> (sans computaccess
18:40:04 <nsh> )
18:40:09 <sbp> it's just Evan Harris now
18:40:15 <sbp> they've all filed out and left him pretty much alone
18:40:31 <[bjoern]> "Foogle is poised to unleash the unstoppable power of human legs" - /.
18:40:32 <sbp> wow, it really is empty. hehe
18:40:38 <sbp> there's two people in the bench in front of him
18:40:50 <[bjoern]> they are waiting for the bus
18:40:56 <sbp> yeah, might be!
18:41:18 <sbp> poor Evan Harris. this must be the most fucked with speech he's ever made
18:43:08 <[bjoern]> tag of the day is "herehavemywallet"
18:44:42 <[bjoern]> "For years analysts have been insisting that Apple must introduce a cheaper iPhone, and soon"
18:46:42 <sbp> "WE INSIST YOU GIVE US THINGS WE WANT MORE CHEAPLY"
18:47:39 <[bjoern]> I would like to subscribe to your newsletter
18:48:21 <sbp> Norman Baker MP says that he was advised to give a date yesterday, and then since he didn't that created huge media focus and lack of confidence amongst even more members, and so that was it
19:14:16 <nsh> -hmm
19:14:17 <nsh> yeah
19:14:47 <nsh> whaddup with Baker?
19:15:17 <sbp> he was one of the anti-Speaker MPs
19:15:21 <sbp> seems a nice chap
19:15:36 <sbp> he was very polite towards the Speaker as a person
19:15:48 <sbp> just thought it was a good juncture to step down
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19:25:51 <sbp`> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01406/coal-miner_1406038i.jpg
19:26:09 <sbp`> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01406/queen-prince_1406019i.jpg
19:26:11 <[bjoern]> If Michael Jackson could do it, so can I.
19:26:25 <sbp`> [bjoern]: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01406/merkel-thought-bub_1406001i.jpg
19:26:32 <[bjoern]> That's not a glove.
19:26:46 <[bjoern]> that's too scary to caption.
19:26:57 <sbp`> yup, no handshoe there
19:26:58 <sbp`> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01406/obama-boy_1406015i.jpg
19:27:13 <[bjoern]> Obama sworn in.
19:27:22 <[bjoern]> Or baptized.
19:27:39 <[bjoern]> Let's try that again:
19:27:54 <sbp`> baptised
19:28:04 <[bjoern]> I wonder what's with the statue up his arse.
19:29:18 <sbp`> less unsatisfying than a came
19:29:22 <sbp`> er, than a camel
19:29:32 <sbp`> I'm pretty sure I typed the l, but then I probably deleted it
19:29:59 <sbp`> oh, Japan appointed an Anime Ambassador
19:30:06 <sbp`> it's a robotic cat
19:30:21 <sbp`> if you DON'T want to see it, DON'T click here:
19:30:23 <sbp`> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01405/mascots_1405002i.jpg
19:30:40 <sbp`> Warning: Contains elements of Japanese culture.
19:31:46 <[bjoern]> no pants. nuff said.
19:32:19 <sbp`> cf. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01405/high-heel-bath_1405009i.jpg
19:32:52 <nsh> phenny, en fi "evidence"?
19:32:52 <phenny> nsh: "todisteet" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
19:32:54 <[bjoern]> That's how I like my beer.
19:33:26 <sbp`> you like your beer todisteet? interesting choice. few people go that way
19:34:06 <[bjoern]> Obviously you've never been to finland.
19:34:10 <sbp`> wonder if they use the same hand gestures there as we do: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01405/taiwan-placards_1405005i.jpg
19:34:50 <[bjoern]> see the rightmost
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19:35:11 <[bjoern]> Clearly it says Fu Me
19:35:12 <sbp`> oh thanks, I would have missed that
19:35:43 <[bjoern]> Could be one word, pointing to the fume above.
19:36:05 <sbp`> a forerunner of what Dagebull will look like when all the oceans have turned to beer: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01405/cape-town-storm-dr_1405033i.jpg
19:36:05 <nsh> sbp, oh right, is Baker the guy with the lopsided face?
19:36:11 <nsh> if so, he did seem pretty cool about it
19:36:19 <sbp`> nsh: nope, that's the Conservative guy whose name I can't remember
19:36:19 <[bjoern]> .gc "eternal harvest"
19:36:20 <phenny> "eternal harvest": 4,820
19:36:25 <nsh> phenny, en fi "keyboard"?
19:36:25 <phenny> nsh: "näppäimistö" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
19:36:26 <nsh> oh, ok
19:36:33 <sbp`> Baker is even cooler than him
19:36:42 <[bjoern]> you should see a professional about your finnish fetish.
19:36:49 <sbp`> (most people don't like the guy with the lopsided face for some reason, but I think he seems okay on the few media appearances that I've seen him in)
19:37:22 <sbp`> WARNING: Nudity: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01405/bay-breakers-nude_1405042i.jpg
19:37:45 <sbp`> WARNING: Nude vegetarian: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01405/vegetarian_1405103i.jpg
19:38:16 <[bjoern]> Look, don't combine WARNING with Nudity and a picture like that.
19:38:25 <sbp`> which one?
19:38:33 <[bjoern]> Read more carefully.
19:38:37 <sbp`> oh, that one
19:38:47 <[bjoern]> I wish saying that worked more often.
19:38:48 <sbp`> I don't expect rigour from most people
19:39:10 <[bjoern]> zero width quote marks.
19:39:27 <sbp`> I am not a crook.
19:39:57 <sbp`> okay, one more metric bevy of pix
19:40:48 <sbp`> "...The LFL, a 10-team nationwide American football league, features women playing football in their underwear, and will start in September 2009 for a 20-week season..."
19:40:55 <sbp`> presume you don't want to see the pix of that
19:41:11 <nsh> american football?!
19:41:14 <nsh> underwear?!
19:41:28 * nsh notes to chexthislatteh
19:42:02 <sbp`> scuse me guvner, is that your snake? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01403/boa-constrictor_1403747i.jpg
19:42:25 <sbp`> needs no comment: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01403/canary-wharf_1403730i.jpg
19:44:10 <sbp`> there's a Telegraph article entitled "Top 10 funny searches in Wolfram Alpha", but it's predictably lacklustre (yet I loaded it anyway, predicting not the predictable lacklustureness, apparently)
19:44:42 <sbp`> .img LFL underwear chicks
19:44:43 <phenny> sbp`: http://www.lfl-pics.com/wp-content/gallery/gallery1/LingerieFootball-league-girls.jpg
19:44:44 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=LFL%20underwear%20chicks
19:46:17 <sbp`> fun: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5318810/MPs-expenses-20-most-bizarre-claims.html
19:46:24 <[bjoern]> .gc "space asians"
19:46:24 <phenny> "space asians": 25
19:46:27 <[bjoern]> .gs space *
19:46:28 <phenny> space *: news (12), (7), weather (5), telescope (5), exploration (5)
19:47:10 <[bjoern]> you caption canary-wharf
19:47:36 <[bjoern]> Football-league-girls look american
19:48:12 <sbp`> yeah, they might not be lying about that
19:48:26 * sbp` looks at canary-wharf again
19:49:14 <sbp`> "My other car is a wet Roller."
19:50:27 <[bjoern]> Right behind the canary-wharf photographer http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1242759108548.jpg
19:50:54 <sbp`> was hoping it would be a shark wearing a bra. oh well!
19:51:14 <[bjoern]> xkcd ruined shark jokes.
19:51:24 <sbp`> xkcd ruined all jokes
19:51:38 <sbp`> first, by getting to them before anybody else could
19:52:17 <sbp`> (no seconds. I ain't yer circus dog)
19:53:06 <[bjoern]> Oh, okay, let me write that down
19:53:45 <sbp`> might come in handy one day
19:54:02 <[bjoern]> Paper, yes, I ate worse.
19:55:33 <sbp`> what food has the longest Deutschewort?
19:56:05 <[bjoern]> What makes you think there is a longest Deutschwort?
19:57:18 <sbp`> foolishness, mainly
19:59:35 <[bjoern]> Google has no good answers. Try Wolfram|Alpha.
19:59:41 <sbp`> oh dear
19:59:44 <[bjoern]> Or Yahoo Answers.
19:59:53 <sbp`> ah, yes
20:00:01 <sbp`> .o answers longest German food word
20:00:04 <phenny> Error performing search.
20:00:23 <sbp`> phenny: tell nslater < sbp`> .o answers longest German food word
20:00:23 <phenny> sbp`: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
20:00:35 <sbp`> phenny: tell nslater < phenny> Error performing search.
20:00:36 <phenny> sbp`: I'll pass that on when nslater is around.
20:00:38 <[bjoern]> .o answers average length of penny
20:00:40 <phenny> Error performing search.
20:00:45 <[bjoern]> .o answers What is
20:00:45 <phenny> Error performing search.
20:00:48 <[bjoern]> fail
20:01:03 <sbp`> I TOLD YOU, it depends whether you measure from the Queen's nose or not
20:01:15 <[bjoern]> no
20:01:24 <[bjoern]> I was looking for general penny, not human penny
20:01:29 <sbp`> ah
20:01:44 <sbp`> General Penny is not the best name for a General to have
20:02:01 <sbp`> like, you can imagine General MxhUgt'taugh of the Klingon Assthumping Alliance
20:02:02 <[bjoern]> I had similar thoughts, but then pictured her.
20:02:24 <sbp`> and General Penny would be what's-his-name's uncle or something
20:02:30 <sbp`> the dude Wil Wheaton played
20:02:56 <[bjoern]> the annoying playfriend of barclay.
20:03:14 <sbp`> Q's off-screen concubine
20:03:34 <[bjoern]> His Wife is pretty on-screen, in Voyager.
20:03:44 <sbp`> pix or didn't hap
20:03:54 <[bjoern]> Janeway made them make a baby.
20:04:00 <sbp`> clever of her
20:04:18 <sbp`> which of her many uteruses did she harvest it from?
20:04:48 <[bjoern]> The alternative for her was to mate with Q herself.
20:05:32 <sbp`> .img Janeway mates with Q; Merkel looks on
20:05:32 <phenny> sbp`: http://p.vtourist.com/434571-New_Town-Beirut.jpg
20:05:34 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=Janeway%20mates%20with%20Q%3B%20Merkel%20looks%20on
20:05:36 <sbp`> ...
20:06:14 <[bjoern]> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Q_and_the_Grey
20:07:09 <[bjoern]> "She helps them reach the Q continuum by flying into a supernova"
20:07:44 <sbp`> "The female Q is abrasive and insulting to the crew, and she explains that she is Q's ex-wife." was my favourite
20:07:51 <[bjoern]> "Oh, Kathy... don't be such a prude. Admit it. It has been a while."
20:07:51 <[bjoern]> "And it's going to be a while longer."
20:08:13 <sbp`> did she cry?
20:08:16 <[bjoern]> "Kathryn Janeway, may I present... Q."
20:08:16 <[bjoern]> "Not just any Q \endash his Q."
20:08:16 <[bjoern]> "We were involved for a while."
20:08:16 <[bjoern]> "About four billion years."
20:08:27 <[bjoern]> She isn't Picard.
20:08:35 <sbp`> orighte
20:09:12 <[bjoern]> "Commander, I needn't remind you that close proximity to a supernova will crush us whether or not we time it perfectly."
20:09:12 <[bjoern]> "You're so negative."
20:09:40 <sbp`> what's the longest Deutschwort Q has ever said?
20:09:50 <sbp`> I'd ask Yahoo! Answers, but...
20:10:06 <[bjoern]> Thinking ... whether I said something german, ever
20:10:11 <[bjoern]> He does speak french
20:10:28 <[bjoern]> uups, I meant "he", of course
20:10:39 <sbp`> yes, I read carefully what you said
20:10:39 <[bjoern]> *cough*
20:11:54 <[bjoern]> "Fire!"
20:11:54 <[bjoern]> "I'm hit, I'm dying!"
20:11:54 <[bjoern]> "Q!"
20:11:54 <[bjoern]> "What?"
20:11:54 <[bjoern]> "They're not firing at us."
20:11:55 <[bjoern]> "They're not?"
20:12:15 <sbp`> that's not German...
20:12:25 <sbp`> .u §
20:12:26 <phenny> U+00A7 SECTION SIGN (§)
20:12:38 <sbp`> wow, utf-8 works in a term and irssi
20:12:54 <sbp`> .u ü
20:12:54 <Monty2> "you"
20:12:55 <phenny> U+00FC LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS (ü)
20:13:01 <sbp`> freaky
20:13:15 <sbp`> technically it shouldn't work because it's utter bollocks
20:13:28 <deltab> sbp`: enjoying ‘1066: The Battle for Middle Earth’?
20:13:32 <[bjoern]> Well my attention span some quotes instead.
20:13:46 <[bjoern]> €
20:14:06 <sbp`> .wik 1066: The Battle for Middle Earth
20:14:08 <phenny> "The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II, abbreviated BFME2, is a real-time strategy video game developed and published by Electronic Arts." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Middle_Earth_2
20:14:33 <deltab> nah, the tv programme on 4 now
20:14:48 <sbp`> oh, craprats, no
20:14:51 <sbp`> didn't know it was on
20:14:55 <sbp`> hang on
20:15:50 <deltab> “If only those winds had sent more of those ships to the bottom of the whale-road.”
20:16:33 <sbp`> aw fuckcrud, it looks good
20:16:41 <sbp`> off earlier tonight though
20:16:53 <sbp`> heh, the old whale-way, yeah
20:17:04 <nsh> what?
20:17:10 <nsh> is goign on
20:17:19 <sbp`> nsh: documentary about the Battle of Hastings
20:17:24 <nsh> oh, cool
20:17:31 <nsh> tv is not teh accessable
20:17:35 <nsh> unfortunately
20:17:56 <deltab> it'll be downloadable
20:18:14 <sbp`> coolscap
20:18:52 <deltab> and probably on the online 4OD too, which apparently is available on Macs too now
20:19:08 <deltab> wonder if that means it's Flash?
20:19:33 <sbp`> don't tantalise with tales of craplessry
20:20:00 <[bjoern]> .gc +craplessry
20:20:01 <phenny> +craplessry: 0
20:20:29 <deltab> "4oD is not available on this platform yet."
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20:21:54 <deltab> anyway, this 1066 is drama, with events, names, and quotes from historical documents
20:23:30 <sbp> where will it be downloadable from?
20:23:40 <sbp> or yfrom if you like
20:24:03 <deltab> heh
20:27:15 <sbp> right, offs
20:27:17 <sbp> 'night!
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21:07:30 <[bjoern]> remind me in 10 minutes to !
21:07:30 <Monty2> [bjoern]: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Tue May 19 22:17:45 BST 2009
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21:17:37 <Monty2> [bjoern]: You asked me to remind you to !
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21:53:04 <[bjoern]> .gc "nearly 10 prisoners"
21:53:05 <phenny> "nearly 10 prisoners": 55
21:53:15 <[bjoern]> .news "nearly 10 prisoners"
21:53:16 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hx7DdKFlYsVfpyveIsxoIGpA7hjw
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23:26:17 <[bjoern]> .c ln e
23:26:18 <phenny> ln(e) = 1
23:32:38 <kpreid> .c ln e + 1
23:32:39 <phenny> ln(e) + 1 = 2
23:32:45 <kpreid> .c ln (e + 1)
23:32:46 <phenny> ln(e + 1) = 1.31326169
23:32:51 <kpreid> boo, inexact :)
23:33:04 <kpreid> .c sin(65535 * pi)
23:33:05 <phenny> sin(65 535 * pi) = 2.8988919e-12
23:33:08 <kpreid> .c sin(65536 * pi)
23:33:09 <phenny> sin(65 536 * pi) = -8.0255802e-12
23:35:00 <[bjoern]> was sin²(x) sin(x)*sin(x) or sin(sin(x))?
23:37:06 <deltab> the former
23:37:25 <deltab> that always bothered me
23:39:06 <[bjoern]> yeah
23:39:41 <deltab> but I guess it's a symbol of a composite function
23:39:55 <deltab> square-of-sine-of
23:57:46 <kpreid> notation is not particularly consistent here
23:58:17 <[bjoern]> By here you mean "math"?
23:58:26 <kpreid> since it is afaik common to speak of (f + g)(x) etc. the odd one out is the ^(-1) for inverse notation
23:58:54 <kpreid> they should've invented another notation for composition-n-times
