00:00:47 <[bjoern]> I just proved last week that "g^n(m)" is primitve recursive of g is primitive recursive, where that of course means g(g(g(...m...))) n times
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08:35:34 <sbp`> yo
08:38:33 <sbp`> fun news this morning:
08:38:37 <sbp`> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8057559.stm
08:38:39 <phenny> sbp`: BBC NEWS | Politics | Blears claim unacceptable - Brown
08:38:48 <sbp`> Brown is saying that any Labour MP who broke the rules will go
08:39:21 <sbp`> and then was asked about all the people whose behaviour was awful and is actually causing this uproar
08:39:28 <sbp`> and he says well, technically, they didn't break the rules...
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08:52:28 <sbp`> yo c' b'
08:52:29 <[bjoern]> yoinx
08:53:00 <sbp`> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-05-20#T08-38-33 for only fun news
08:53:16 <cre8radix> yeah!
08:54:03 <[bjoern]> that's lots of news
08:54:24 <[bjoern]> I'm very very hungry.
08:54:38 <sbp`> eat the news!
08:54:55 * cre8radix too
08:55:06 * cre8radix goes to rob the pizza place
08:55:19 <cre8radix> GIMME ALL YER PIZZA!
08:55:22 <[bjoern]> They sell rolls next door, I wish they'd throw them up too.
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08:56:40 <[bjoern]> I've been watching daily show episodes from 1999,2000,2001 earlier, he was not funny back then.
08:57:06 <_ulises> yo
08:57:32 <sbp`> yo _ulises
08:57:49 <_ulises> yo sbp's evil cousin
08:57:50 * sbp` finds ircproxy, wonders if it's any better than dircproxy
08:57:53 <sbp`> heh, heh
08:58:08 <sbp`> what I don't like about dircproxy is that it will barf back N lines of irc
08:58:10 <_ulises> whatup pls
08:58:19 <sbp`> but it won't barf back all lines since you last connected
08:58:24 <sbp`> which seems like the more obvious solution
08:58:27 <_ulises> and ircproxy only sends you what you haven't seen already?
08:58:31 <_ulises> aye
08:58:47 <_ulises> got some good news today
08:58:48 <sbp`> don't know about ircproxy yet
08:58:50 <sbp`> oh yeah?
08:58:55 <_ulises> this professor dude lent me this book
08:59:04 <_ulises> which had a chapter explicitly dedicated to my research topic
08:59:10 <sbp`> nice
08:59:16 <_ulises> and i thought "zomg, a book chapter, what have I missed!?!"
08:59:35 <_ulises> it turns out that the entire book and that chapter in particular is the purest bunk I've ever seen
08:59:46 <_ulises> so that's good
09:01:37 <sbp`> heh
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09:49:20 <[bjoern]> the mathematical tendency towards single character function names is often perverse.
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09:52:36 <_ulises> f o g
09:56:21 <[bjoern]> remind me in 15 minutes to complete the first step in the first step towards curing world hunger
09:56:21 <Monty2> [bjoern]: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Wed May 20 11:11:38 BST 2009
10:11:36 <Monty2> [bjoern]: You asked me to remind you to complete the first step in the first step towards curing world hunger
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11:12:26 <Monty2> hey Xanthor[aw]
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11:48:01 <[bjoern]> .t UTC
11:48:01 <phenny> 2009-05-20T11:48:01Z
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12:18:37 <sbp> yo
12:18:38 <phenny> sbp: 19 May 23:22Z <Morbus> tell sbp heh. i got someplace the devs haven't coded yet. "In recognition of your accomplishments, you have received ONUS%" - level 3 of first mate.
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12:20:28 <Morbus> sbp: how much drive space you got on your box? and is it intel?
12:22:56 <_ulises> yo sbp
12:28:47 <sbp> Morbus: about 900 GB, and yes
12:28:48 <sbp> yo _ulises
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12:29:13 <sbp> trying to install ircproxy
12:29:24 <sbp> it's not going well because it can't find c-ares
12:29:27 <sbp> tried doing this:
12:29:28 <sbp> sbp@helios:~/ircproxy-1.3.6$ export LDFLAGS='-L/home/sbp/local/lib'
12:29:29 <sbp> sbp@helios:~/ircproxy-1.3.6$ ./configure --prefix=/home/sbp/local
12:30:04 <Morbus> fair enough.
12:30:06 <Morbus> fucker.
12:30:08 <sbp> heh, heh
12:30:21 <sbp> and yet it still gives:
12:30:22 <sbp> checking for library containing ares_init... no
12:30:22 <sbp> A ares compatible library is required. You should install either ares or c-ares.
12:30:22 <sbp> c-ares is preferred, it can be found on http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/c-ares/
12:30:22 <sbp> If you know what the consequences are but still dont want ares you can
12:30:22 <sbp> disable ares with --disable-ares
12:30:42 <sbp> why can't software Just Work™...
12:31:25 <_ulises> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/sbp/local/lib ?
12:32:24 <sbp> _ulises: hmm, that didn't work either
12:33:06 <_ulises> have you checked the config[ure].log
12:33:07 <_ulises> ?
12:34:14 <sbp> configure:5258: checking for library containing ares_init
12:34:14 <sbp> configure:5299: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -Wall -I /usr/local/include -I ~/include -L/home/sbp/local/lib -L /usr/local/lib -L ~/lib conftest.c -L/home/sbp/lo l/lib/ >&5gcc: l/lib/: No such file or directory
12:34:27 <sbp> the fuck is going on there!
12:34:37 <sbp> /lo l/??
12:35:01 <sbp> anyway, looks like it should work dunnit?
12:35:05 <sbp> it's in there once at least
12:35:49 <_ulises> /lib/?
12:36:00 <sbp> hmm?
12:36:45 <_ulises> l/lib/
12:36:46 <_ulises> ?
12:36:51 <_ulises> what's that
12:37:02 <_ulises> or even the /lo l/
12:37:03 <sbp> yes, it looks like it's munged /local/lib/ into /lo l/lib/
12:37:05 <sbp> which is really weird
12:37:17 <_ulises> yeah
12:37:34 <_ulises> do you not have a bootstrap or a way of regenerating the configure?
12:37:35 <sbp> maybe it's because I tried LIBS first
12:37:38 <sbp> clearing that and trying again
12:37:40 <sbp> yeah, I can do that
12:38:26 <sbp> ah! that worked!
12:38:30 <sbp> cool
12:38:32 <_ulises> cool
12:38:41 <sbp> so, I set LDFLAGS=-L/home/sbp/local/lib
12:38:46 <sbp> and emptied out LIBS
12:39:13 <sbp> chuckle...
12:39:13 <sbp> defines.h:235:4: warning: #warning "Your version of ares does not have ares_cancelquery()."
12:39:13 <sbp> main.c:121: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘Ares_Channel’
12:39:41 <_ulises> heh
12:39:49 <_ulises> borked ^tm
12:40:19 <sbp> yeah...
12:40:22 <Monty2> clearing that indexing you should report an example
12:40:35 <[bjoern]> I shall not report any example whatsoever Monty2.
12:40:45 <Monty2> .g sourceforge was looking pretty close to itterate through the right order (UID.timestamp) would hold on... I view on tonight though FTL works in regular views with strips of adoption among the beginning
12:40:46 <phenny> Monty2: http://cairnarvon.rotahall.org/misc/progwordles.2.txt
12:40:53 <Monty2> "he should use a prude. Admit it. In fact, there anyway to specifiy a query to run through the Enron corpus in luke will redo my browser
12:45:21 <sbp> ah, I needed to add --enable-shared
12:47:57 <sbp> nope, same problem. what a pile of crap
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12:49:20 * sbp tries the svn version
12:49:28 <sbp> nope
12:51:14 <sbp> okay, trying ZNC instead. from http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/znc/znc-0.068.tar.gz
12:52:50 <sbp> hmm, this looks quite good
12:53:56 * Morbus preordered sims 3 too.
12:54:05 <Morbus> what looks boring baout it for you?
12:54:08 <sbp> Morbus: whenzit released?
12:54:08 <Monty2> .ety limitation
12:54:09 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "limitation". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=limitation
12:54:13 <Morbus> june 2nd.
12:54:27 <sbp> Morbus: well, the simulation part
12:54:30 <sbp> heh
12:54:40 * Morbus grins.
12:54:48 <sbp> I'm okay with platform games, racing games, sports games
12:55:01 <sbp> puzzle games are sometimes okay. shoot 'em ups are normally good
12:55:38 <sbp> I'm surprised I played SL so long, really
12:55:50 <sbp> I wonder if Sims 3 won't have a bit of that sort of problem to it that we found
12:55:56 <Morbus> yeah.
12:55:56 <sbp> where, yes, you can make stuff to an extent
12:56:03 <sbp> but there's not really enough permanent draw
12:56:04 <Morbus> making shit is what i hated about spore, really.
12:56:07 <sbp> if you find otherwise, let me know...
12:56:10 <Morbus> but with galacti adventures, there's stuff to "do" per se.
12:56:14 <Morbus> there's a potential for story.
12:56:18 <sbp> aye, hence the expansion kit
12:56:26 * Morbus watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgCtAO6O6wo
12:56:27 <sbp> and the ideas in that do seem good (the set of seven "goals")
12:56:38 <sbp> (or however many it was; about seven)
12:56:46 <sbp> (guard, friend, attack, etc.)
12:56:49 <Morbus> with all the pirates, i'm surprised there's not more youtube videos on actual game play.
12:56:59 <sbp> maybe they take 'em down?
12:57:37 <Morbus> that'd be relly fast.
12:58:02 * Morbus watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxLOX5k3b0o
12:58:10 <Morbus> panties at 14 second mark.
12:58:14 * Morbus preorders second copy
12:59:11 <MoiraA> hi morbus sbp
12:59:16 <MoiraA> not seen for a while
12:59:19 <sbp> yo
12:59:29 <MoiraA> keeping ok?
12:59:30 <Morbus> wtf youtube.
12:59:33 <Morbus> giomme the pirate videos.
12:59:34 <nslater> heya gais
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13:00:39 <nslater> hmm, google is weird
13:00:51 <nslater> they have changed the homepage logo to one "celebrating" the missing link being found
13:01:07 <nslater> haven't they typically only done that for anual events?
13:01:18 <clsn> WTF? I read that article yesterday, it was 97% bullshit.
13:01:20 <Morbus> hrm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mwzQdwE4xg might be what i'm looking for.
13:01:25 <Morbus> ths appears to be the spanish version.
13:01:42 <nslater> clsn: google seems to be pretty confident then :)
13:01:50 <clsn> Apparently.
13:02:07 <clsn> I mean, I don't doubt the truth in the reporting, but the sensationalism was misplaced.
13:02:27 <sbp> yo nslater
13:02:35 <sbp> hmm, ZNC looks surprisingly good. now to test it!
13:02:36 <clsn> Oooh, we found a primate-lemur common ancestor. Cool, but not a world-shaking event.
13:02:54 <nslater> so, we'red decended from lemurs
13:03:12 <Morbus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mwzQdwE4xg <-- i cant' read anything, but this appears to be the "First time playing" stuff
13:03:35 <nslater> what the fuck:
13:03:36 <nslater> http://www.revealingthelink.com/
13:03:49 <nslater> scientific descoveries get websites and internet marketing now!
13:03:51 <clsn> nslater: No, but primates and lemurs had a common ancestor. Which we kinda knew already. This is just an example.
13:03:58 <clsn> Yeah, I think I saw that site yesterday.
13:04:10 <clsn> That's what I mean by bullshit. The hype involved there is huge.
13:04:12 <nslater> "It's really a kind of rosseta stone"
13:04:19 <nslater> only less stone, and more animal!?
13:04:20 <clsn> Rosetta stone my ass.
13:04:31 <sbp> 14:04 <*status> Attempting to connect to [irc.freenode.net:6667] ...
13:04:32 <sbp> 14:04 <*status> Cannot connect to IRC (Invalid argument). Retrying...
13:04:40 <nslater> "When our results are published, it will be like an asteroid hitting the earth"
13:04:43 <clsn> Yeah, that's the site I looked at.
13:04:56 <nslater> you mean four cubed earth time? amirite!?
13:05:03 <Morbus> sbp: interestingly, you *dont* create anything to start. there was no creation screen in this intro
13:05:17 <clsn> It's such marketing copy! It is a confirmation of stuff we pretty much had suspected, which is important I will grant.
13:05:45 <nslater> clsn: yeah, this website is leaving a bad taste in my mouth
13:06:03 <nslater> erm, what:
13:06:15 <nslater> "This fossil rewrites our understanding of the evolution of the primates"
13:06:19 <clsn> something like "PREVIOUSLY, the most famous fossil hominid was Lucy..." (in one of the articles taken from it I think. Emphasis added)
13:06:24 <nslater> surely, he means, CONFIRMS?
13:07:02 <nslater> woah, there's a big link saying:
13:07:04 <nslater> Download Ida
13:07:06 <clsn> And even if it is rewrites, get a grip, 'k? You know, peer review, stuff like that?
13:07:16 <nslater> Fossil Over TCP(tm)
13:07:39 <Morbus> why can't i watch anything in hd on youtube.
13:07:42 <Morbus> you stupid stupid piece of shit.
13:08:01 <nslater> Morbus: there is a uri frag you can add to switch it on, apparently
13:08:12 <nslater> wonder how much dawkins is involved in this
13:08:23 <nslater> argh, it's just so weird to have it marketed like this
13:08:29 <clsn> I always thought the "missing link" was supposed to be around Homo habilis level, hominid to other primates.
13:08:30 <Morbus> nslater: yeah, but i've been clicking the HD thing in the past, and it usually works.
13:08:31 <nslater> and i wonder what the backlash will be from the evangelicals
13:08:43 <clsn> Yeah, it smells like bad science to me.
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13:10:17 <sbp> ah, it worked
13:10:17 <nslater> hmm, would be interesting to read or watch a lecture on why this is the missing link, and not just something that looks similar. after watching a program this week about how the chinese think that they are decended from homo erectus because "you know, the faces look kinda similar" I'm a bit skeptical, heh
13:10:22 <sbp> I think the vhost was causing it problems
13:11:03 <clsn> otoh, it has apparently been noted that if Archeopteryx really IS *the* missing link to birds, as it seems to be, and birds are absent from the fossil record because they don't preserve well, isn't it amazing we have a specimen at all?
13:11:16 <clsn> And yet we have TEN? In very good quality? All from the same cave?
13:11:47 <[sbp]> ten archæopteryces from the same cave? eh?
13:11:59 <clsn> Something like that.
13:12:32 <clsn> There have been occasional doubts cast upon some of them... claims that the feathers seem to be preserved in finer-grained stone than the skeleton, as if someone made a limestone cement...
13:12:53 <[sbp]> there are nine
13:12:53 <[sbp]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx#History_of_discovery
13:12:56 <clsn> But afaik it's still taken to be a pretty strongly believed specimen in the mainstream community.
13:13:02 <[sbp]> and none seem to have been found from the same location as another
13:13:10 <[sbp]> though they were, notably, all found in Germany
13:13:26 <clsn> I must have exaggerated the closeness in my memory.
13:13:37 <sbp> okay, now let's see if it "replays" properly
13:13:45 <sbp> Monty2: say stuff
13:13:46 <Monty2> inets has some advice
13:13:47 <sbp> Monty2: say more stuff
13:13:48 <Monty2> yoinx
13:13:52 <sbp> Monty2: say even more stuff
13:13:53 <Monty2> man = java dev ... now
13:13:55 <sbp> Monty2: say even more even more stuff
13:13:58 <Monty2> I reckon hairbrush + Martin Henfield = GIMPish meal...?
13:13:59 <sbp> Monty2: say even more even more stuffage
13:14:00 <Monty2> ALOT
13:14:05 <sbp> Monty2: MORE
13:14:10 <Monty2> sendmail's electroconvulsive thermostat destroys rubbish dumps's staggering pavillions!
13:14:11 <sbp> thanks
13:14:21 <clsn> Yep, even talks about the "difference in texture" controversy, it was answered too...
13:14:39 <[sbp]> hmm
13:14:45 <[sbp]> 14:14 <sbp> [08:14:11] +thanks
13:14:47 <[sbp]> 14:14 <clsn> [08:14:21] +Yep, even talks about the "difference in texture" controversy, it was answered too...
13:14:50 <[sbp]> 14:14 <***> Playback Complete.
13:15:00 <[sbp]> not sure whether I like or dislike the timestamp
13:15:08 <[sbp]> the +/- thing is seriously annoying
13:15:12 <[sbp]> but not sure how to strip that
13:15:56 <clsn> sbp: wtf are you testing?
13:16:02 <[sbp]> znc
13:16:09 <[sbp]> it's an irc bouncer/proxy
13:16:17 <clsn> O.
13:16:18 <[sbp]> like dircproxy, but apparently less completely shit
13:16:31 <clsn> never used dircproxy either.
13:17:17 <clsn> The WP page seems pretty firm that controversies have been answered. The book I was working from didn't actually *say* that the fossils were suspect, but did point these things up as sort of "you never can be sure even with purportedly mainstream science"
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13:47:10 <sbp> spb gave me some helpful pointers
13:47:23 <sbp> he said basically, the +/- prefix is capab identify-msg
13:47:35 <sbp> which is a capability that hyperion sends out to all clients
13:47:46 <sbp> now, since X-Chat supports it, somehow it says "okay" and enables the sending of the prefix
13:48:01 <spb> not quite that
13:48:05 <sbp> but then since znc etc. don't support it, when you playback the buffer, the prefixes are includes
13:48:06 <sbp> oh?
13:48:13 <spb> it's a capability that hyperion will enable for any client that requests it
13:48:24 <spb> x-chat supports it, so it requests it every time it connects
13:48:38 <sbp> ah! so the other way round from what I was expecting... thanks
13:48:46 <sbp> that's why I couldn't find where X-Chat says "okay"
13:49:06 <sbp> like, I found it sets serv->have_idmsg to true if the server supports it
13:49:25 <sbp> then I was expecting it to be looking for that variable set to true and then sending a message to the server; but obviously it's not, so I didn't find it
13:49:33 <spb> yeah, it sets that in the handler for the CAPAB reply
13:49:39 <spb> iirc it sends the request on connect
13:50:11 <spb> what i can't remember is whether it does this indiscriminately or whether there's some code to decide whether it's hyperion or not
13:50:11 <sbp> here we go:
13:50:12 <sbp> ./src/common/modes.c: tcp_send_len (serv, "CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG\r\n", 20);
13:50:23 <spb> yup, that'll be it
13:50:40 * sbp wades through that bit of the code
13:51:27 <sbp> as far as I can tell, this is just dispatching on an 005 message from any server
13:51:35 <sbp> and it's looking for "CAPAB" in the 005 message
13:51:47 <spb> ah yes, that makes sense
13:53:13 <sbp> the next line is interesting:
13:53:13 <sbp> tcp_send_len (serv, "CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG\r\n", 20);
13:53:14 <sbp> /* now wait for numeric 290 */
13:53:19 * sbp looks up 290
13:53:43 <spb> iirc 290 is the capab reply
13:54:01 <sbp> seems to be nonstandard, can't find it in the IRC RFC
13:54:01 <spb> which lists those capabilities which were requested and are now enabled
13:54:05 <spb> it's not
13:54:09 <spb> er
13:54:13 <spb> it's not in the rfc, that is
13:54:31 * sbp looks for the 290 handler in X-Chat
13:55:07 <spb> unfortunately there's very little in irc that is standard
13:55:08 <sbp> ah! that's when it sets serv->have_idmsg
13:55:16 <spb> aye
13:55:36 <sbp> unfortunately there are no configuration options around either of these bits of code
13:55:45 <sbp> nor anywhere else where it uses have_idmsg, as far as I can tell
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13:56:02 <nslater> hmm! my local picture house offers films with subtitles!
13:56:04 <sbp> it would be very easy to patch, but since I'm using Aqua...
13:56:06 <spb> the code that depends on have_idmsg can't be conditional
13:56:24 <spb> as if that's true then the capab has already been enabled, and not using it would garble everything
13:56:46 <sbp> good point
13:57:00 <spb> i don't have the source code to hand here, but if there is a config option it'll be around the code in the 005 response that sends that CAPAB request in the first place
13:57:10 <sbp> yeah, definitely not there
13:57:38 <sbp> [[[
13:57:38 <sbp> } else if (strcmp (word[w], "CAPAB") == 0)
13:57:38 <sbp> {
13:57:38 <sbp> serv->have_capab = TRUE;
13:57:38 <sbp> /* 12345
13:57:39 <sbp> 678901234567890 */
13:57:41 <sbp> tcp_send_len (serv, "CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG\r\n", 20);
13:57:43 <sbp> /* now wait for numeric 290 */
13:57:45 <sbp> }
13:57:47 <sbp> ]]]
13:57:49 <sbp> whole relevant bit
13:58:24 <spb> yeah, doesn't look like it can be disabled without patching then
14:02:01 <nslater> spaces before method brackets, ugh
14:02:40 <sbp> function parens? yeah, pretty crap
14:03:00 <nslater> wtf is that magic number comment thingy?
14:03:19 <nslater> hmm, just 0-9 twice over
14:03:27 <nslater> erm, 1-9, then 0-9
14:03:32 <nslater> 0-0
14:03:36 <nslater> stupid brain
14:03:37 <sbp> yeah, I'm not sure. it doesn't align with anything
14:03:54 <sbp> .py len(' /* ')
14:04:01 <phenny> 75
14:04:10 <nslater> sweet use of .py
14:04:11 <sbp> and "1" starts in column 76
14:05:46 <nslater> btw, sbp...
14:06:01 <nslater> dont know how much you care, but i found a dead simple way to turn flickr explore into a handy atom feed :)
14:06:28 <nslater> $ flickcurl interestingness.getList format feed-atom_10 > flickr.atom
14:06:37 <nslater> .g flickcurl
14:06:38 <phenny> nslater: http://librdf.org/flickcurl/
14:06:40 <sbp> flickr explore? the thing with the pandas?
14:06:48 <nslater> no, the one with the page you refresh for moar boobs
14:06:54 <sbp> oho
14:07:02 <nslater> this limits it to 100 of the top items
14:07:08 <nslater> so you can put it in cron as often as you like
14:07:55 <spb> if you use the wrong size tabs, those numbers line up with the characters of the string literal on the line below
14:08:16 <spb> presumably to aid in counting the number of characters to put in the length argument
14:08:25 <sbp> ah! thanks
14:09:05 <nslater> "wrong size tabs" - best argument i ever heard for not using tabs for alignment :)
14:12:22 <sbp> ZNC people on efnet pointed me extremely quickly to this:
14:12:23 <sbp> http://en.znc.in/wiki/Fixfreenode
14:13:09 <spb> that page title is quite a tall order
14:13:16 <spb> quite apart from not being what it does
14:14:26 <jsled> sbp: have youy tried miau, perhaps?
14:15:05 <sbp> spb: yeah, quite funny. trying it now, at any rate
14:15:16 <sbp> jsled: I did see it, but znc just seemed to scream out for attention more
14:15:27 <spb> what it does is to block the request to enable the capability
14:15:30 <sbp> so I tried it first, and so far I'm impressed enough not to bother with miau
14:15:38 <jsled> The only reason I saw it is looking for a proxy to run on dd-wrt, and that seems to be the only option.
14:15:40 <sbp> makes sense
14:15:49 <spb> which is the brute-force approach, yet certainly effective
14:16:17 <sbp> 15:16 <*status> Loaded module [fixfreenode] [/home/sbp/local/lib/znc/fixfreenode.so]
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14:16:51 <nslater> spb: whats the ident script foir irssi?
14:17:05 <nslater> spb: puts a little tild in your < nick> box
14:17:20 <spb> format_identify.pl
14:17:31 <nslater> .gs pandora's sexy * box
14:17:33 <phenny> pandora's sexy * box: home)
14:17:37 <nslater> spb: thanks
14:17:41 <nslater> .gs pandora's * sexy box
14:17:42 <phenny> pandora's * sexy box: hot (8)
14:17:48 <spb> http://adipose.attenuate.org/~stephen/ircd-seven/format_identify.pl.txt if you want the latest version i know of
14:17:51 <nslater> .gc "pandora's hot, sexy box"
14:17:52 <[sbp]> wow, it works. great!
14:17:52 <phenny> "pandora's hot, sexy box": 88
14:18:02 <spb> annoyingly it's not on scripts.irssi.org as far as i can see
14:18:17 <nslater> # ^ to make vim know this is a perl script so I get syntax hilighting.
14:18:27 <nslater> haha, vim cant tell from the file extension :)
14:18:40 <spb> it can
14:18:53 <spb> it can also tell from the modeline if he thought to add one
14:19:19 <nslater> 15:19 [freenode] -!- cap Unknown command
14:19:21 <nslater> ??
14:19:52 <spb> yeah, that version is the one i updated to work with hyperion and ircd-seven
14:20:02 <spb> so it sends commands for both variants
14:20:12 <[sbp]> hmm
14:20:16 <[sbp]> ah, great
14:20:23 <spb> the other version just gets ignored
14:20:23 <[sbp]> you can connect from two different clients
14:20:32 <nslater> spb: i dont see the tild?
14:20:35 <[sbp]> from helios to itself: 15:20 <[sbp]> hmm
14:20:43 <[sbp]> from local to helios: 15:20 <[sbp]> ah, great
14:21:06 <spb> nslater: /set format_
14:21:26 <nslater> spb: what do you use?
14:21:28 <[sbp]> test...
14:21:28 <spb> 15:20:56 [format_identify]
14:21:29 <spb> 15:20:56 format_unidentified_nick = ~$0
14:21:29 <spb> 15:20:56 format_colour = OFF
14:21:29 <spb> 15:20:56 format_identified_nick = $0
14:21:29 <spb> 15:20:56 format_unknown_nick = $0
14:22:21 <[sbp]> test 2
14:22:31 <spb> format_unknown_nick is what it uses on networks that don't support that capability, or where it hasn't been enabled
14:22:37 <nslater> spb: i now get this:
14:22:37 <[sbp]> okay, and it doesn't replay the buffer unless all clients are disconnected
14:22:39 <nslater> 15:22 < ~[sbp]> test 2
14:22:45 <nslater> spb: thought it would look more like this:
14:22:50 <nslater> 15:22 <~[sbp]> test 2
14:23:05 <nslater> guess you still need that space for + and @
14:23:08 <spb> yup
14:23:19 <nslater> cool, thanks
14:23:22 <spb> in irssi-theme-formatting terms the ~ becomes a part of the nickname
14:23:35 <spb> so that you can have <@~someone> hi
14:23:45 <nslater> yeah
14:24:04 <sbp> test 3
14:24:22 <spb> on an unrelated note, dear lord cvs is slow
14:24:52 <sbp> and prone to breaking. you should keep your cvs paraphenalia in svn
14:25:06 <sbp> (svn is also prone to breaking, so try darcs)
14:25:09 <sbp> (and as for darcs...)
14:25:11 <spb> oh, i keep all my stuff in git
14:25:17 <spb> it's work that's the hold up
14:25:25 <nslater> "prone to breaking" based on one bad experience, i might add :)
14:25:32 * nslater waves the subversion flah
14:25:36 <nslater> "flah"
14:25:39 <spb> we only moved a couple of years ago away from VSS, so it's still a step up from that
14:25:42 <sbp> nslater: that was svn, not cvs
14:26:17 <spb> now, i do have to grant that when CVS breaks it is generally easier to fix than svn
14:26:21 <spb> but still
14:26:21 <nslater> anyway, I've switched to archive.py and smtp for all my needs! ;)
14:27:55 <spb> half an hour for `cvs up -dPAC` is no longer amusing
14:28:56 <sbp> hmm, it's using the helios timezone
14:29:06 <sbp> and only lets me set an offset to fix it
14:29:16 <sbp> which is going to suck if they come out of daylight savings a week before we do
14:29:35 <spb> can't export TZ before starting it?
14:29:55 <[sbp]> TZ=Europe/London?
14:30:13 <spb> that's what i use
14:30:19 <sbp> hmm, let's give it a go
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14:32:14 <sbp> test...
14:32:47 <[sbp]> weird, didn't even capture the message
14:32:55 <[sbp]> did it too fast, perhaps
14:33:10 <sbp> okay, Take 2
14:33:13 <sbp> Monty2: sing a song
14:33:13 <Monty2> fun
14:33:16 <sbp> heh
14:33:23 <_ulises> i hope you're not fiddling with my proxy sbp
14:33:38 <[sbp]> 15:33 <sbp> [15:33] okay, Take 2
14:33:40 <[sbp]> 15:33 <sbp> [15:33] Monty2: sing a song
14:33:42 <[sbp]> 15:33 <Monty2> [15:33] fun
14:33:44 <Monty2> Yeah, it true that searcher started.
14:33:46 <[sbp]> 15:33 <sbp> [15:33] heh
14:33:49 <sbp> spb: great, works! thanks
14:33:49 <Monty2> Rosetta stone than what happens at least to contact me if she's impressed with many got couchdb-lucene can't i last I view group _temp_BF2FC99EX2RP6BDXS3H7COGF1. in you on?
14:34:00 <sbp> _ulises: nope, but I could give you an account on this if you like
14:34:06 <sbp> _ulises: it's apparently much better
14:34:12 <_ulises> sbp: kthx
14:34:20 <_ulises> sbp: can I haz teh hax0r?
14:34:38 <_ulises> or moar liek can I is teh hax0r with it?
14:34:48 <sbp> _ulises: yeah, hang on, I'll set a thing up for you
14:35:02 <sbp> _ulises: tell me the password you want, again, by some secure method
14:35:09 <sbp> or wait, I think I have it from last time. hang on
14:35:28 <_ulises> hang on, why is it better? why should I want one of those?
14:35:38 <sbp> _ulises: it only replays what you've missed
14:35:41 <_ulises> are you migrating the whole thing to this new thing?
14:35:43 <sbp> it doesn't replay a set number of lines
14:35:44 <_ulises> ah, awesome
14:35:54 <sbp> and it seems better designed in general
14:36:02 <sbp> you know, in all the little ways about how you set it up and so on
14:36:08 <_ulises> can you also make it ignore notices? stupid colloquy pops up like a million ballons every time I connect
14:36:15 <sbp> plus it's got a module that handles this identify-msg stuff, which is pretty good
14:36:25 <sbp> notices? dunno, probably?
14:36:29 <_ulises> 'cept for the configure + build issue eh?
14:36:31 <sbp> you can probably do that in dircproxy even, heh
14:36:37 <sbp> nope, that was another thing I was trying
14:36:39 <sbp> called ircproxy
14:36:42 <sbp> and that blew
14:36:42 <_ulises> ah, k
14:36:53 <sbp> this thing is called znc, which I tried after giving up ircproxy in annoyance
14:38:43 <sbp> okay, setting it up...
14:39:17 <_ulises> cool, thanks
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14:45:07 <sbp`> [ ** ] Loading user [ulises]
14:45:07 <sbp`> [ ok ] Loading Module [fixfreenode]... [/home/sbp/local/lib/znc/fixfreenode.so]
14:45:07 <sbp`> [ ok ] Adding Server [irc.freenode.net 6667]...
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14:46:13 <sbp> _ulises: okay, I'll message you instructions
14:46:19 <_ulises> ok
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14:51:46 <__ulises> sbp: woo
14:51:55 <sbp> great!
14:52:16 <_ulises> now I need nslater to work his magic fingaz on the other invite only VIP rockstar channel
14:52:21 <sbp> lemme know if you want to use znc or dircproxy regularly
14:52:31 <_ulises> which one you gonna use?
14:52:35 <sbp> because if we're both using znc, I'll just keep dircproxy around but not bother rerunning it
14:52:39 <sbp> at the moment, definitely znc
14:52:47 <sbp> but of course I've only been using it for an hour or two
14:52:51 <__ulises> k, let's migrate then foo'
14:53:03 <sbp> so it'll be nice to check that it's okay before like extirpating every last trace of dircproxy
14:53:04 <_ulises> who are you?
14:53:06 <sbp> m'kay
14:53:11 <sbp> I'm sbp-znc
14:53:17 <sbp> sbp` is sbp-dircproxy
14:53:20 <_ulises> no, this __ulises dude?
14:53:24 <sbp> so I'm migrated already :-)
14:53:26 <sbp> oh, I see. heh
14:53:38 <sbp> __ulises is mah homie
14:53:39 <_ulises> oh, migration haz taken plaec!
14:53:42 <sbp> you're all 1990s and stuff
14:53:57 <_ulises> wut double _ is the new coke?
14:54:08 <sbp> it was either that or _ulises_
14:54:54 <_ulises> so it had to have double _ ...
14:55:08 <sbp> it had to have double because you're already using single
14:55:18 <sbp> if you change _ulises to whatever, you can /nick _ulises in znc
14:55:26 <sbp> and I'll edit the config to use _ulises by default in znc
14:55:41 <sbp> which is why I did /nick sbp` in dircproxy
14:56:51 <nslater> _ulises: you need to ident
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14:58:12 <_ulises> nslater: but I'm going through sbp's proxy
14:58:26 <nslater> so?
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14:58:37 <nslater> you've been going through sbp's proxy for ages
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14:58:47 <nslater> you cant come into the vip channel if you're not ident'd
14:58:59 <_ulises> nslater: but this is a new proxy mang
14:59:05 <nslater> so?
14:59:10 <_ulises`_evil_co> so do it
14:59:12 <nslater> the access list is set by nick
14:59:17 <nslater> not proxy
14:59:22 <nslater> or remote address
14:59:38 <_ulises> done
14:59:42 <nslater> foo'
14:59:53 <_ulises> shup
15:00:30 <_ulises> sbp: right, old proxy is a goner
15:00:46 <_ulises> feel free to do your magics
15:02:43 <nslater> my fist, your face
15:03:12 <_ulises> oh, just because you showered today you're feeling tough?
15:03:22 <_ulises> come back when you've bathed
15:03:24 <nslater> yeah. that's where it's at
15:12:59 <sbp> okay, trying to sort this schizzle
15:15:10 <sbp> _ulises: okay, should be cool by default now
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16:35:48 <sbp> TextWrangler is doing some weird stuff
16:36:00 <sbp> a) the window opens maximised, filling the screen
16:36:13 <sbp> b) the mouse cursor is white. white on white is not helpful
16:37:16 <[bjoern]> yo
16:37:26 <sbp> y' b'
16:37:36 <sbp> can't find anything about geometry in the preferences
16:38:45 <[bjoern]> "Looks like we dropped the ball on some of those issues"
16:40:37 <sbp> “Shame that Shane couldn't make it”
16:44:03 <sbp> oh, [bjoern], guess what!
16:44:13 <sbp> I'm using znc instead of dircproxy!
16:44:23 <sbp> isn't that exciting! go on, be excitied. try to be excited
16:44:28 <[bjoern]> you lost your appendix.
16:44:40 <sbp> and the dircproxy instance gained it
16:45:24 <sbp> only weird thing so far seems to be that X-Chat keeps displaying massive lag
16:45:30 <sbp> even though there doesn't appear to really be any
16:45:57 <[bjoern]> I'd simulate massive lag now, but can't be arsed.
16:46:22 <sbp> see, you should've written a script to do it for you
16:46:55 <[bjoern]> not funny http://www.sophos.com/klingon-anti-virus/
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16:47:43 <sbp> agreed. show clsn anyway, though
16:47:52 <sbp> oh, I'll do it...
16:48:18 <sbp> phenny: tell clsn http://www.sophos.com/klingon-anti-virus/ - not funny, but you probably ought to see it anyway. via [bjoern], who was also well aware that it was not funny but showed me anyway
16:48:18 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
16:48:18 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell clsn sbp is going to show you http://www.sophos.com/klingon-anti-virus/
16:48:19 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when clsn is around.
16:48:27 <sbp> win
16:48:34 <clsn> Yeah, I've gotten mail about it. I'm not sure exactly where it's from, if the KLI was involved etc.
16:48:35 <phenny> clsn: 16:48Z <sbp> tell clsn http://www.sophos.com/klingon-anti-virus/ - not funny, but you probably ought to see it anyway. via [bjoern], who was also well aware that it was not funny but showed me anyway
16:48:35 <[bjoern]> no, you lag massively
16:48:36 <phenny> clsn: 16:48Z <[bjoern]> tell clsn sbp is going to show you http://www.sophos.com/klingon-anti-virus/
16:48:55 <sbp> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-05-20#T16-47-52
16:49:05 <sbp> and you can see the order she delivered them, of course
16:49:12 <sbp> DOUBLE PROOF
16:49:17 <sbp> for double the fun
16:49:43 * sbp waggles his lagstick
16:49:44 <[bjoern]> You typed so slowly I almost sent it before you out pure spite for ruining my feable attempt at lag simulation.
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16:49:59 <sbp> hehe
16:50:16 <sbp> perhaps we were both trying to simulate lag
16:50:19 <sbp> but you know this is not true
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17:26:37 <[bjoern]> .g iana header registry
17:26:37 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.iana.org/assignments/message-headers/perm-headers.html
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17:36:07 <Monty2> Thank goodness, jeffarch is back!
17:38:18 <[bjoern]> optipng uses some O(n^big) algorithm...
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17:38:48 <sbp> what about pngout?
17:39:03 <[bjoern]> % pngout
17:39:03 <[bjoern]> Der Befehl "pngout" ist entweder falsch geschrieben oder
17:39:03 <[bjoern]> konnte nicht gefunden werden.
17:39:24 <sbp> you know you gotta pngout and then optipng
17:39:36 <sbp> and that pngout is more successful than optipng!
17:39:37 <[bjoern]> http://advsys.net/ken/utils.htm#pngout makes eyes burn
17:40:01 <sbp> hmm, yeah
17:41:20 <[bjoern]> suggest params
17:41:55 <sbp> none, it tries to supercrush automatically
17:41:58 <sbp> like bzip2
17:42:03 <[bjoern]> "99% httpbis.png /c3 /f0 /d8, 18 colors" hanging there for a while now...
17:42:09 <[bjoern]> now starting over at 1% again?
17:42:15 <[bjoern]> second run very slow
17:43:06 <[bjoern]> probably slower than optipng with no options
17:43:13 <sbp> yeah
17:43:37 <[bjoern]> 40% now
17:45:55 <sbp> you used no params?
17:46:12 <[bjoern]> I used no params
17:46:35 <clsn> params are for wusses. The defaults were good enough for the programmer, they're good enough for you.
17:46:36 <[bjoern]> now doing it third run
17:46:55 <sbp> are you running the command again to add runs?
17:47:01 <sbp> or is it doing the runs automatically?
17:47:01 <[bjoern]> I always put in shitty params so people go read the docs I hated to write
17:47:17 <[bjoern]> it's automatically starting new from 0%
17:47:24 <sbp> ooh, I see
17:47:31 <sbp> this is new. I just downloaded the newest version
17:47:35 <[bjoern]> now at 25%
17:47:36 <sbp> I must've been using the old version
17:47:42 <sbp> which had two lines of ouput
17:47:46 <sbp> the old size, and the new size
17:49:02 <sbp> hmm, still kinda does that:
17:49:04 <sbp> In: 2153549 bytes test.png /c2 /f5
17:49:04 <sbp> Out: 1636376 bytes test.png /c2 /f5
17:49:04 <sbp> Chg: -517173 bytes ( 75% of original)
17:49:19 <sbp> but I got an interim progress report which it then \r and overwrote
17:53:19 <[bjoern]> now at 50%... much much slower than optipng, but probably going to produce smaller file
17:53:31 <[bjoern]> (again, optipng was run with no options)
17:54:07 <[bjoern]> (this is from a graphviz png which I could lisppaste if anyone wants to play)
17:54:22 <[bjoern]> (the dot file that is)
17:54:36 <sbp> ysplze
17:54:48 <sbp> (lisppaste the png)
17:54:58 <[bjoern]> unpossible!
17:55:00 <[bjoern]> lisppaste2: url?
17:55:01 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
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17:56:06 <lisppaste2> [bjoern] pasted "HTTPbis grammar cross references (dot -Tpng file.dot > file.png)" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80555
17:56:45 <[bjoern]> the png is > 1MB, not going to funnel that through my slow upstream to some shitty imgpaster.
17:57:40 <jsled> [bjoern]: http://graph.gafol.net
17:57:49 <[bjoern]> "/s# Select strategy. 0:Xtreme(default), 1:Intense, 2:Longest Match, 3:Huffman Only, 4:Uncompressed"
17:58:35 <sbp> XTREME
17:58:58 <[bjoern]> "Enter at most 16384 characters"
17:59:03 <jsled> aw, and it fails.
17:59:12 <jsled> well, useful in other context, anyways.
17:59:19 <[bjoern]> I could strip some white space...
17:59:31 <jsled> er … though it does seem to preview.
17:59:43 <sbp> hmm:
17:59:44 <sbp> $ pngout-20070430-darwin/pngout-darwin ietf.png
17:59:44 <sbp> ietf.png unsupported format
18:00:24 <sbp> but it does appear to be a PNG
18:00:29 <sbp> and it opens in Preview okay
18:01:00 <[bjoern]> nope still 20, doubt the quote marks would do it either
18:01:01 <Monty2> hprof
18:01:37 <[bjoern]> unlikely, but maybe your previewer had a lock on the file?
18:01:57 <sbp> nope
18:02:09 <sbp> wasn't even opened in Preview when I tried pngouting it
18:06:29 <[bjoern]> it started over yet again
18:06:48 <sbp> it's gotta get it right
18:08:05 <[bjoern]> I note that one reason for pngout to produce smaller files might be that it strips optional chunks by default, which i don't think optipng does.
18:08:24 <sbp> aye
18:08:39 <sbp> XTREME
18:09:15 <[bjoern]> I recall talk about one of the optimizers going to use the 7zip zlib implementation
18:09:22 <[bjoern]> Not sure what became of that
18:09:29 <sbp> ooh, that'd be interesting
18:10:28 <[bjoern]> google suggests AdvPNG might do that
18:11:45 <[bjoern]> perhaps it was me talking that optipng should offer that as option
18:12:06 <[bjoern]> (http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/comp-readme.html for the advthing)
18:12:29 <[bjoern]> wonder what'd be involved
18:13:38 <[bjoern]> looking at the source, asking Cosmin Truta might be a better idea. than looking at the source.
18:14:54 <sbp> trying it out
18:15:04 <sbp> sbp@helios:~$ local/bin/advpng --recompress --shrink-insane ietf.png
18:15:29 <[bjoern]> (I vaguely recall maybe trying it and then not using it, usually I do stuff for a reason)
18:17:02 <sbp> 4645594 3864668 83% ietf.png
18:17:03 <sbp> 4645594 3864668 83%
18:17:26 <sbp> gonna run it over the pngs in my /stuff/images/ directory
18:17:43 <[bjoern]> 4 MB?
18:18:07 <sbp> yeah. was your input smaller?
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18:18:28 <[bjoern]> dot produces a 1 MB file here... maybe your port does antialiasing or some shnizzle?
18:18:39 <sbp> hmm, mebs
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18:18:58 <sbp> looks antialiased
18:19:04 <[bjoern]> pngout still working, now saving mere bits each rerun
18:19:08 <[bjoern]> KILLING IT
18:19:26 <sbp> mere?!
18:20:36 <[bjoern]> I would have rather said mehr, but that's just not true.
18:21:19 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "advpng tests" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80558
18:21:41 <sbp> does better than optipng on about a third...
18:21:53 <sbp> so we need to run pngout, optipng, and advpng
18:21:56 <sbp> for optimal results
18:22:09 <[bjoern]> those are already compressed, how?
18:22:21 <sbp> using pngout and optipng
18:22:36 <[bjoern]> so, useful
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18:26:41 <sbp> whatbehapsplz nsh
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18:30:05 <sbp> FINE
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18:32:48 <sbp> whatbehapsplz nsh
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18:33:09 <sbp> FINE
18:33:29 <[bjoern]> how long before he makes phenny do it
18:33:52 <sbp> what makes you think I'm not phenny?
18:35:26 * [bjoern] expects responses would be countered with <phenny> I'm not phenny.
18:35:50 <sbp> Monty2: are YOU phenny?
18:35:51 <Monty2> whatup pls
18:36:02 <sbp> wondering if you're phenny...
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18:37:42 <sbp> whatbehapsplz nsh
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18:38:25 <sbp> FINE
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18:38:40 <sbp> FINE
18:38:51 <[bjoern]> bye nsh
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18:38:56 <sbp> whatbehapsplz nsh
18:39:19 <[bjoern]> If his ip was changing we could turn it into a game.
18:39:28 <sbp> yeah!
18:39:33 <sbp> but we can't, because it isn't
18:39:36 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell nsh urfail.
18:39:36 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
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18:40:04 <[bjoern]> Urfail is a good word for use in titles.
18:40:37 <[bjoern]> .gc "Christian Urfail"
18:40:38 <phenny> [bjoern]: 18:40Z <nsh> tell [bjoern] urmum
18:40:39 <phenny> "Christian Urfail": 0
18:40:51 * nsh wonders what in the topic of #perl6 is killing mirc
18:40:58 <nsh> wine->mirc that is
18:41:25 <[bjoern]> Is that phrase rapidly replacing What in God's Name on teh intartubes?
18:42:27 <nsh> what phrase?
18:43:09 <sbp> they should have called wine whine
18:43:16 <sbp> because its users do nothing other than whine
18:43:18 <sbp> because it's crap
18:43:32 <sbp> ALSO:
18:43:35 <sbp> whatbehapsplz nsh
18:43:47 <deltab> well they are using something that imitates Windows
18:43:54 <sbp> that is true
18:43:56 <nsh> demaincendaris be hapz
18:44:09 <nsh> not much
18:44:21 <[bjoern]> "what in the topic of #perl6"
18:44:22 <nsh> still waiting for eeepc keyboard to be dry and wr0kgains
18:44:26 <nsh> ah
18:44:33 <nsh> quite, quite
18:44:44 <sbp> wow, nsh is in #perl6
18:44:45 <sbp> cool
18:44:58 <nsh> is not, because it kills teh whinemircs
18:44:58 <sbp> oh yeah, I had a problem like that
18:45:08 <sbp> keyboard, not topic
18:45:12 <nsh> ah
18:45:17 <nsh> stupid beer cans
18:45:17 <[bjoern]> http://www.titanic-magazin.de/uploads/pics/0520-kinderschutz1.jpg
18:45:22 <nsh> and fluid dynamics
18:45:37 <nsh> conspiring to dreggsinate lappy
18:45:49 <nsh> i poured over the glass, but no....
18:46:05 <nsh> and eeepc repair centre won't have unit returned by flytofinland times
18:46:18 <nsh> so it's improfix/externatype
18:46:22 <sbp> ugh. erotic
18:47:09 <[bjoern]> (-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen )
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18:47:49 <nsh> meh
18:49:40 <[bjoern]> heh http://torrentfreak.com/biased-pirate-bay-judge-judged-by-more-biased-judges-090520/
18:49:56 <[bjoern]> "To determine if the verdict in the Pirate Bay case was biased, the connections of Judge Tomas Norström to national and international pro-copyright lobby groups will be reviewed by another judge. However, the judge that was initially appointed has already been replaced because she was linked to the same organizations as Norström, and her replacement is not exactly unbiased either."
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18:51:52 <[bjoern]> last para of http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/communications/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20090124_43rd-world-communications-day_en.html
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18:52:59 <[bjoern]> ...whenever you think about how much you paid for it? "It's possible to receive a small and quick electrical (static) shock from your earbuds while listening to iPod or iPhone." - http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2729
18:53:57 <sbp> when walking through a storm
18:54:21 <sbp> phenny: de "kinder schutz"?
18:54:21 <phenny> sbp: "Child protection" (de to en, translate.google.com)
18:54:29 <sbp> [STOP]
18:54:57 <sbp> you're such a lovely audience!
18:55:01 <sbp> we'd like to take you home with us!
18:55:05 <sbp> we'd love to take you home!
18:55:36 <[bjoern]> Well not all of you, but the three ladies in the front row?
18:55:57 <sbp> yeah, but you can't *say* that
18:57:00 <[bjoern]> depends on how sure you are if they are willing.
18:59:41 <sbp> .img three ladies in the front row
18:59:42 <phenny> sbp: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/i05000/i05058.jpg
18:59:43 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=three%20ladies%20in%20the%20front%20row
18:59:55 <sbp> very accurate
19:00:23 <sbp> they don't look particularly willing
19:01:19 <[bjoern]> Today in my math tutorial I asked some question, some discussion ensued, concluding with someone suggesting, "Oh you can do that with Wolfram|Alpha, just type it in"
19:01:36 <sbp> the bass line on Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is actually quite similar to Baby You're a Rich Man. and Baby You're a Rich Man probably has the better bass line, of course
19:01:54 <sbp> interesting that. Magical Mystery Tour is a much better album than people give it credit, I think
19:01:58 <sbp> it's just not as long, basically
19:02:13 <sbp> [bjoern]: oh dear
19:02:20 <sbp> did you report the building to the authorities?
19:03:14 <[bjoern]> maybe.
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19:11:13 <sbp> in this way Mr. K will challenge the world!
19:11:36 <sbp> the Hendersons will dance and sing as Mr. K flies through the ring...
19:12:04 <[bjoern]> ... IN A ROBOT.
19:12:37 <sbp> .gc "in a penis in a robot"
19:12:38 <phenny> "in a penis in a robot": 0
19:12:56 <[bjoern]> .gcs "a penis in a robot" "a robot in a penis"
19:12:58 <phenny> "a robot in a penis" (0), "a penis in a robot" (0)
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19:26:09 <sbp> .gc googlecount
19:26:10 <phenny> googlecount: 2,840
19:27:05 * [bjoern] is annoyed, they put up the current theo comp sci sheet online more than a day late, and haven't updated the slides, which are needed to solve part of it
19:27:24 <sbp> get them to rescind the sheet
19:28:28 <[bjoern]> latest mail (to me): "Dear W3C Representative, I\rquote m looking for the LINK CHECKER (BEFORE SITE GOES LIVE) that is the one where I can UPLOAD my site pages from my local machine."
19:28:44 <[bjoern]> is this the beginning of my inbox turning into site-comments?
19:28:55 <sbp> forward it to site-comments
19:29:33 <[bjoern]> recent messages there include a bug report for the W3C SQL Validator http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/site-comments/2009May/0000.html
19:29:48 <sbp> SQL Validator? wow, didn't even know there was one
19:30:01 <sbp> ah...
19:31:08 * [bjoern] ponders how to rewrite GOTO programs into WHILE programs
19:32:13 <sbp> ...man, the Beatles really knew how to do stuff. heh
19:32:21 <sbp> haven't played Sgt. Pepper's that loud in ages
19:32:42 <sbp> E piano chord sounds like a kind of explosion
19:32:48 <clsn> I haven't listened to Magical Mystery Tour in way too long. I always liked that album.
19:32:59 <clsn> I don't know if I even have it on CD.
19:32:59 <sbp> yeah, very under rated
19:33:18 <sbp> a friend of mine had it on tape
19:33:29 <sbp> and he'd listened to it so many times that it kept breaking
19:33:38 <clsn> I think I have it on tape someplace. Said tape would I believe have to be more than 20 years old.
19:33:39 <sbp> so he repaired it with little tiny strips of sellotape
19:33:42 <sbp> it was pretty amazing
19:34:03 <sbp> father of a friend of mine, rather
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20:02:11 <[bjoern]> "I don't like to brag, -- I love it."
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20:10:44 <[bjoern]> So crying "FIRE!!!" in the theatre might be not entirely legal, but how about leaving, saying "Excuse me Sir, but I would like to escape the flames"?
20:16:13 <sbp> might be a methanol fire
20:16:49 <sbp> they used to use methanol as a fuel in Indycar
20:16:55 <sbp> and it burns with an invisible flame
20:17:08 <sbp> so like when refuelling people would get methanol splashed on them...
20:17:12 <sbp> and it caught fire...
20:17:20 <sbp> they'd be running around on fire, and nobody would be able to see it
20:17:42 <sbp> which is why they had a policy that if anybody started acting a bit strange, they get the hose on them immediately
20:17:51 <sbp> and if there's a spillage of anything, immediate dousing
20:17:59 <[bjoern]> that's also how they made people run around like crazy in silent movies.
20:18:05 <sbp> ah!
20:20:00 <[bjoern]> cruel, but hard to argue with what works.
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20:58:16 <sbp> offs
20:58:18 <sbp> 'night!
20:58:27 <[bjoern]> night p
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23:05:14 <cre8radix> re:zen
23:06:17 <cre8radix> or re:dundant
23:12:40 <kpreid> rëdundant?
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