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02:26:50 <[bjoern]> wow posting internet drafts has become really quick and easy
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03:11:18 <Monty2> it's jeffarch!
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04:33:04 <Monty2> Speak of the devil, it's nsh_!
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08:01:51 <sbp> yo
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08:37:47 <nsh> GUTEN LE MORGS
08:40:37 * nsh has not slept
08:40:53 <nsh> hence is in PLUSLETROLLPLUS configuration
08:42:03 <_ulises> stop le trolling
08:44:19 <nsh> but i get to tell physics students their circuits are failing because they're only partially-inflated
08:44:24 <nsh> http://i42.tinypic.com/s2a4hs.jpg
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08:44:51 <Monty2> it's Talliesin!
08:44:58 <nsh> and explain how sending the same packets back to the server runs your bandwidth meter backwards, so you can get MOAR WAREZ before your isp stops the downloads
08:45:54 <_ulises> heh
08:46:00 <sbp> woah hello
08:46:19 <sbp> I like the sketch of the diode
08:46:23 <sbp> that is one fucked up triangle
08:46:25 <nsh> totalz
08:46:51 <nsh> it was drawn freehand with the "cerebral ischemia tool" of MS PAINTZ
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09:08:57 <[bjoern]> I've discovered that submitting I-Ds is totally easy now. You just go to the form, submit the file, push a button, follow the confirmation mail link, then it's already online and up to 15 minutes later the announcement is sent
09:09:06 <[bjoern]> -> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoehrmann-cp-collation-00.txt
09:09:39 <nsh> NO ONE MAN SHOULD HAVE THAT MUCH POWER
09:10:03 <[bjoern]> Man doesn't, robots do.
09:10:04 <nsh> QUICK DISMANTLE THE FORM AND SPREAD ITS PARTS ACROSS THE SEVEN SYPHALITIC WILDERNESSES
09:12:36 <sbp> oh man, look at those margins
09:12:39 <sbp> they're all ragged!
09:13:02 <[bjoern]> It's so people get dizzy reading it.
09:13:23 <sbp> they'll do that anyway
09:17:38 <[bjoern]> "A Profile for Bogon Origin Attestations (BOAs)" has a better title than my draft.
09:23:27 <[bjoern]> this is coming a bit late http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-spencer-usefor-son-of-1036-00.txt but nice nonetheless...
09:23:32 <sbp> hmm
09:23:48 <sbp> someone should register a urn-nid
09:23:57 <sbp> whose structure is some kind of supercomplex language
09:24:12 <[bjoern]> reverse html tag soup
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09:24:24 <sbp> reverse?
09:25:42 <[bjoern]> I tried explaining it using some analogy, but it's too complex.
09:26:30 <nsh> USE THREE POINT FIVE ANALOGIES
09:26:36 <[bjoern]> "We present TCP-over-UDP (ToU), an instance of TCP on top of UDP. It provides exactly the same congestion control, flow control, reliability, and extension mechanisms as offered by TCP." - http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baset-tsvwg-tcp-over-udp-00.txt
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10:19:51 <[bjoern]> "Subject: Man arresetd for sending panties in the mail"
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11:10:10 <[bjoern]> .gc "prelude to peace"
11:10:10 <phenny> "prelude to peace": 813
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11:30:51 <[bjoern]> .w laager
11:30:52 <phenny> laager — noun: 1. A defensive encampment encircled by wagons, especially by South African Boers, 2. (military) A temporary formation of armoured vehicles for resupply
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15:06:44 <Monty2> Thank goodness, leobard is back!
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15:30:57 <salvage> wossup
15:31:09 <salvage> phanny tell sbp he is a noob
15:31:28 <salvage> phanny?
15:31:35 <salvage> monty?
15:31:39 <Monty2> What will not for information is valid javascript. I may use level=info?
15:31:43 <salvage> anyone home?
15:31:53 <salvage> oh
15:31:59 <salvage> montry where is phanny?
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15:55:31 <salvage> kewl
15:55:34 <salvage> soz
15:57:11 <cre8radix> hehe
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16:17:50 <[AC]> 'tis [bjoern]!
16:17:50 <[AC]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86AJje3ElDc
16:18:24 <sbp> .title
16:18:25 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - gay funny referee
16:19:31 <[bjoern]> Would you like to become nslater's sock puppet?
16:19:50 <sbp> [bjoern]! help needed
16:20:01 <sbp> actually more of a challenge
16:20:05 <[bjoern]> sbp! food needed
16:20:08 <sbp> come up with a coherent interpretation of the following:
16:20:09 <sbp> http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/help-whatwg.org/2009-May/000244.html
16:20:15 <sbp> I've already had food, thanks
16:21:08 <[bjoern]> I smell an oxymoron
16:21:15 <[bjoern]> But I'll click anyway...
16:22:25 <[bjoern]> Are you asking about the text, or the quoted text?
16:22:52 <sbp> the text
16:24:07 <sbp> this is what I get from it:
16:24:09 <sbp> * What HTML 5 defines is what browsers currently do,
16:24:09 <sbp> * but it's also true that all desktop browsers set 1 CSS pixel = 1 physical pixel,
16:24:25 <sbp> HTML says that browsers use CSS px, and therefore use relative measures
16:24:39 <sbp> but browsers use CSS px as absolute measures
16:24:41 <[AC]> :)
16:24:45 <[AC]> l8r dudes
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16:24:57 <sbp> (therefore HTML uses absolute measures, according to the first clause)
16:25:02 <sbp> * so the issue doesn't really come up,
16:25:11 <sbp> ...because of the complete contradition the issue is moot?
16:25:16 <sbp> * though the definition matches what happens in cases where 1 CSS pixel does not equal 1 physical pixel.
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16:25:50 <sbp> this line is a sort of genius level ricochet at the end
16:25:53 <[bjoern]> I was say this is an instance of IFP
16:26:02 <sbp> it folds back on the whole rest of the email and renders it especially beautiful
16:26:02 <[bjoern]> would
16:26:11 <[bjoern]> what is it with me and typing of late?
16:26:12 <sbp> IFP?
16:26:14 <[bjoern]> Incoherent fact puking.
16:26:22 <sbp> ooh, IFP
16:26:25 <sbp> useful acronym
16:32:22 <sbp> perhaps he means something like: since there are going to be no compliant browsers, you don't have to worry about using HTML 5
16:32:36 <sbp> which is reasonably sensible
16:32:49 <sbp> he sure did put it in an odd way, if so, though
16:33:35 <sbp> because to take my issue, for example, if you have a 320 width image:
16:33:39 <sbp> <div id="figure">
16:33:53 <sbp> <img src="image.png" alt="a 320px width image">
16:33:54 <sbp> </div>
16:34:09 <sbp> and you do #figure { width: 320px }
16:34:43 <sbp> all browsers are going to make the div the same width as the img since they don't conform to the specs, which means that there is no issue (as he said)
16:34:55 <sbp> so in other words, since the specs are irrelevant, you don't need to worry about them
16:35:14 <[bjoern]> Where does "HTML5" come into this?
16:35:31 <sbp> I'm glad you asked that question
16:35:42 <[bjoern]> I am the opposite now.
16:36:18 <sbp> I was actually going to say nothing further
16:36:23 <sbp> but I think I will now just to spite you
16:36:29 <sbp> for a start, note that HTML 5 defines img/@width and img/@height in terms of CSS px
16:36:44 <sbp> so for example, if you did this:
16:36:55 <sbp> <img src="320pxwidth.png"><br>
16:37:07 <sbp> <img src="320pxwidth.png" width="320">
16:37:28 <sbp> if they comply to the specification, they might not be the same width depending on your resolution
16:37:39 <sbp> whereas if they don't comply to the specification, they will always be the same width
16:38:02 <sbp> having said that, I don't really know how browsers are meant to render images without width/height set
16:38:18 <[bjoern]> That would be http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#inline-replaced-width
16:38:19 <sbp> perhaps they're meant to get the image attributes first and then convert them into relative px and then lay them out
16:38:39 <sbp> ...thanks
16:39:29 <sbp> hmm, no, that doesn't explain at all
16:40:04 <sbp> that, to me, sounds like any <img> without height or width should have a width of 300px
16:40:26 <sbp> which is clearly not what browsers do, so it can't say that. ...oh dear, it does say that doesn't it?
16:40:29 <[bjoern]> That depends on the intrinsic properties of the image
16:40:37 <sbp> where does it say that?
16:40:56 <[bjoern]> grep for intrinsic?
16:41:10 <[bjoern]> it uses that a lot in that section...
16:41:34 <sbp> but is the intrinsic width relative or absolute?
16:42:05 <sbp> you get an *absolute value* from an image
16:42:26 <sbp> that is to say, if you have a PNG with width 320, what you get is 320abspx
16:42:32 <[bjoern]> Consider a <svg width="300csspixel" ... vs a PNG
16:42:38 <[bjoern]> So that depends on the format
16:42:45 <sbp> sure, no problem there
16:43:04 <sbp> so you're saying that the intrinsic value really is 320abspx?
16:43:09 <sbp> even though CSS has no notion of abspx?
16:43:26 <sbp> (doesn't define it as a unit)
16:43:27 <[bjoern]> I have no idea what it is for bitmaps.
16:44:39 <sbp> .c 96 * 2
16:44:40 <phenny> 96 * 2 = 192
16:46:50 <[bjoern]> http://webkit.org/blog/55/ (56 57) might be insightful, as far as that's possible
16:48:32 <sbp> no, I don't know how that helps at all
16:48:42 <sbp> all that seems to be is Dave Wyatt trying to explain to people that a csspx is relative
16:48:47 <sbp> and then going "lol wtf no it isn't"
16:48:51 <sbp> and him saying "um, yes it is"
16:48:58 <sbp> which I know in some detail already
16:49:47 <sbp> though actually, this bit does support my reading of how 320abspx is used:
16:49:48 <sbp> [[[
16:49:49 <sbp> For example, let’s say you have an image tiger-low.png that is 100×100 and an image tiger-high.png that is 200×200. Here’s an example of how you might make a CSS declaration that can use the low-res image for browsers that don’t understand background-size and the higher-resolution image for browsers that do.
16:49:49 <sbp> div {
16:49:50 <sbp> background: url(tiger-low.png);
16:49:52 <sbp> background: url(tiger-high.png) (100px 100px);
16:49:54 <sbp> }
16:49:56 <sbp> ]]]
16:49:58 <[bjoern]> Pity. I just recalled seeing this back in the day and thinking, hmm, long, maybe it's useful; and then closed the browser window.
16:50:05 <sbp> heh
16:50:18 <sbp> hmm, actually, no it doesn't
16:50:35 <sbp> because if you double the resolution the perceived size of -high will stay the same
16:50:42 <sbp> but the perceived size of -low will halve
16:51:02 <sbp> so that supports the idea that 320abspx in the image gets relativised
16:51:12 <sbp> which smells dubiouscakes to me
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16:54:06 <[bjoern]> When I pondered this in the 90s, I was all hmm, if my DPIs go through the roof, and bitmap pixels are device pixels, images will turn into fly shit.
16:55:26 <sbp> heh, yeah
16:55:34 <sbp> obviously there'll have to be rescaling
16:56:25 <sbp> I guess that'd be done... at the OS level though?
16:56:31 <sbp> rescale everything, kthx
16:57:22 <sbp> hmm
16:57:55 <xover> Really, nobody's made an AppleScript to get a Wikipedia cite template out of Delicious Library?
16:58:10 <sbp> so in that case, even on a 192ppi display, -low will be the same perceived width?
16:58:12 <[bjoern]> Windows has a small fonts / big fonts setting which changes the system dpi setting, from what I recall. Back then my graphics card driver also had an option (much finger grained) to do that. Generally using that was inadvisable.
17:00:36 <[bjoern]> How about you mail back a fullquote followed by "?"?
17:00:56 <sbp> chuckle. yeah, I have been thinking along those lines
17:01:19 <sbp> purple monkey dishwasher rumour mill says: Bill O'Reilly is worried activists will tie him up at night and pump rainbows into his ass
17:02:10 <[bjoern]> So long as they post clips on youtube
17:02:25 <sbp> or make a website about it
17:03:19 <[bjoern]> with geocities closing, that may not be possible; at least not properly.
17:04:40 <sbp> somebody should make a replacement
17:04:44 <sbp> Lycos to the rescue?
17:04:57 <sbp> Lycos does still exist, right?
17:05:00 * [bjoern] tries to recall who bought Lycos
17:05:04 <[bjoern]> yes it does
17:05:36 <[bjoern]> "In October 2004, Lycos was sold by Terra's parent company Telefonica to Daum Communications Corporation, the second largest Internet portal in Korea, becoming once again Lycos Inc."
17:05:54 <sbp> o... kay
17:06:59 <[bjoern]> Some Korean company taking over geocities would have made great news.
17:07:53 <[bjoern]> "In 1996, the company completed the fastest IPO from inception to offering in NASDAQ history, and, in 1997, became one of the first profitable internet businesses in the world. In 1998 it paid $58 million for Tripod in an attempt to "break into the portal market" which was rapidly developing"
17:08:12 <[bjoern]> .wik Internet Portal
17:08:15 <phenny> "Wikipedia portals: Culture · Geography · Health · History · Mathematics · Natural sciences · Philosophy · Religion · Society · Technology" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Internet
17:09:11 <sbp> .gc "penis in a penis"
17:09:12 <phenny> "penis in a penis": 49
17:09:17 <sbp> .gc "penis in a penis in a penis"
17:09:18 <phenny> "penis in a penis in a penis": 0
17:09:25 <[bjoern]> .yi
17:09:25 <phenny> Not yet...
17:10:30 <[bjoern]> phenny, de en "Daumen"?
17:10:30 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Thumb" (de to en, translate.google.com)
17:10:38 <[bjoern]> .leo Daum
17:10:39 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Daum
17:10:46 <[bjoern]> that i saw coming.
17:11:21 <[bjoern]> good logo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daum_Communications
17:11:51 <sbp> 다음
17:12:03 <[bjoern]> .u 다음
17:12:03 <phenny> U+B2E4 HANGUL SYLLABLE DA (다)
17:12:04 <phenny> U+C74C HANGUL SYLLABLE EUM (음)
17:12:20 <[bjoern]> .leo Däumchen
17:12:21 <phenny> Däumchen drehen (ugs.) = to kick one's heels (coll.)
17:12:22 <phenny> Däumchen drehen (fig.) = to twiddle one's thumbs (fig.)
17:12:22 <phenny> Däumchen drehen = to twirl one's thumbs
17:12:23 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=D%C3%A4umchen
17:12:24 <sbp> DAEUM
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17:14:07 <[bjoern]> You are #8 (including sponsored matches) for Sean Palmer on altavista.
17:14:25 <[bjoern]> #3 if you add a b
17:14:27 <sbp> great! what about on Lycos?
17:15:03 <[bjoern]> #5
17:15:14 <[bjoern]> and #1 respectively
17:15:16 <sbp> Lycos is definitely better
17:15:21 <sbp> unless you mean that's with a b
17:15:32 <[bjoern]> #5 without b, #1 with b
17:16:29 <sbp> Lycos is AWESOME
17:16:30 <[bjoern]> with b you have Web Breadcrumbs, Can You Gleek Upon Occasion?, phenomicity by the bucketful in lieu of purple, logicerror.com, The Semantic Web: An Introduction, Weblog Design Shame,
17:16:54 <[bjoern]> Semantic Web Hacking, Ghyll user profile, and sbp on Twitter on #10
17:17:13 <sbp> WHAT!
17:17:42 <[bjoern]> ...
17:17:44 <[bjoern]> Sean B. Palmer (sbp) on Twitter
17:17:44 <[bjoern]> Twitter is a free social messaging utility for staying connected in real-time ... I'm trying out twitter3:53 AM Mar 21st, 2007 from web. Name Sean B. Palmer ...
17:17:44 <[bjoern]> twitter.com
17:17:44 <[bjoern]> Need a second opinion? Try Hotbot
17:17:59 <sbp> definitely need a second opinion
17:18:20 <sbp> yeah, I tried it. that's how I found out that it truncates the name of my country
17:18:28 <[bjoern]> hotbot lists no twitter in the top ten
17:18:34 <sbp> this is before it was famous and its fail was evident to all in an eight light year radius from earth
17:19:27 <[bjoern]> Which gives a good hint where twitter users might be coming from.
17:19:39 <sbp> heh, heh
17:20:33 <[bjoern]> 30 Sean B. Palmer
17:20:33 <[bjoern]> Don't miss the XML event of the year! Join us for the Mark Logic User Conference, May 12-14, in beautiful San Francisco. Hear from keynote speakers James Surowiecki, best-selling ...
17:20:33 <[bjoern]> http://norman.walsh.name/knows/who/sean-b-palmer
17:20:50 <sbp> nice
17:21:28 <[bjoern]> you have a y! profile
17:21:39 <sbp> is it any good
17:21:42 <[bjoern]> your pix is most scary
17:21:43 <[bjoern]> http://profiles.yahoo.com/sean_b_palmer
17:22:09 <[bjoern]> right next to it is an ad "Orte deine Freunde - Mobilespy 2.0"
17:22:29 <[bjoern]> I think my profile is older than yours
17:22:41 <sbp> :D
17:23:03 <sbp> yeah, Jan 2000 is a bit lame
17:23:25 <sbp> if yours is Dec 1999 I might just cry
17:23:29 <sbp> I think I had earlier ones
17:23:35 <sbp> but they deleted 'em
17:23:43 <[bjoern]> I was gonna say that, but then grew suspicious
17:23:52 <xover> ITYM 3.
17:24:00 <[bjoern]> It should be 31st dec 1998 i think
17:24:06 <nslater> 17:19 < [bjoern]> Would you like to become nslater's sock puppet?
17:24:08 <nslater> whut?
17:24:37 <[bjoern]> See, another vote for the fullquote + "?" suggestion.
17:26:59 <[bjoern]> "We've launched a new profile on Yahoo!. The user you are searching for either does not exist, or has chosen to keep their profile private."
17:27:03 <[bjoern]> I don't get the first part
17:28:15 <[bjoern]> [[[
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17:29:44 <sbp> data protection is really good in the United Kingdom, as you know
17:30:29 <[bjoern]> thus far I had to enter my password six times
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17:31:02 <sbp> .title http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/help-whatwg.org/2009-May/000245.html
17:31:02 <phenny> sbp: [html5] Absolute Pixels in HTML 5
17:31:12 <sbp> full quote, with "?" added
17:31:19 * nslater grins
17:31:31 <sbp> thank you to all involved in making this humour happen
17:31:43 <nslater> "happan"
17:32:10 <[bjoern]> a fuller fullquote would have been nicer, but well done nonetheless.
17:32:56 <[bjoern]> "These categories include products and services offered by the Yahoo! business lines indicated below.
17:32:56 <[bjoern]> Check each item below if you would like to be contacted."
17:33:02 <[bjoern]> super long list with everything checked follows
17:34:41 <[bjoern]> here we go "Member Since: Dec 1998"
17:36:42 <[bjoern]> that was complicated
17:37:08 <[bjoern]> 46 Sean Palmer Plays Prince Eric in "The Little Mermaid." - PAPERMAG
17:37:08 <[bjoern]> Sara Baley "Bois" at Collete Blanchard Gallery "Tux With Chucks" at Studio B ... says actor Sean Palmer of playing dreamboat Prince Eric in the Broadway adaptation of Disney's ...
17:37:40 <[bjoern]> between debian license choosing and Web Links comments
17:38:05 <[bjoern]> 51 Sean Y. Palmer - LinkedIn
17:38:05 <[bjoern]> Current. Attorney at Law at The Palmer Law Firm Past. Attorney at The Enos Law Firm, P.C. Attorney at The Law Office ...
17:39:21 <[bjoern]> twitter still does "Location United Kingdom of Great Britai"
17:40:08 <[bjoern]> You should have "@twitter ... I can't write these things, but you get the idea.
17:40:41 <sbp> yeah, isn't it beautiful? with its random truncations and its cool blue background
17:41:13 <[bjoern]> Yes, I must masturbate immediately.
17:42:39 <sbp> you'll only make it worse
17:44:03 *** [bjoern] changed the topic to: ""Twitter. It could be worse." - Sean B. Palmer, May 2009."
17:51:19 <[bjoern]> interpret vs interprete, explain
17:52:13 <sbp> interpret is an English word fully bonded and ratified by all applicable laws
17:52:25 <sbp> interprete is a random collection of unicode characters
17:52:39 <[bjoern]> .gcs +interpret +interprete
17:52:40 <phenny> +interpret (8,850,000), +interprete (1,530,000)
17:52:51 <[bjoern]> a popular one at that
17:53:00 <sbp> that just proves my point really
17:53:36 <[bjoern]> that makes things wrap poorly, which explains why i went with the e
17:54:05 <[bjoern]> treat makes it worse
17:54:21 <[bjoern]> especially when spelled "trat"
17:54:31 <sbp> try træt
17:54:56 <[bjoern]> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05 no rfc yet
17:56:26 <sbp> and § 2.1 places limits anyway
17:58:07 <[bjoern]> It's not a standard if not ignored in practise.
17:58:18 <sbp> good point
17:58:32 <sbp> or are you just quoting the next reply in the px thread?
17:59:10 <[bjoern]> has it been posted yet?
17:59:22 <sbp> nope, but that hasn't stopped you before
18:00:35 <[bjoern]> Yes, but you miss the element of plausible deniability
18:01:00 <sbp> <plausibledeniability>, coming soon to an HTML 5 near you!
18:01:48 <[bjoern]> First the hDeniability micro format will be folded in as microdata extension, which then will pave the cow paths.
18:01:55 <sbp> hehe
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18:26:11 <sbp> phenny: "Einige Projekte der WHAT WG wie die Standardisierung der XMLHttpRequest-Schnittstelle wurden inzwischen vom W3C übernommen, und die künftige HTML-Arbeitsgruppe wird wahrscheinlich einen weiteren Teil übernehmen."?
18:26:12 <phenny> sbp: "Some projects of the WHAT WG as the standardization of the XMLHttpRequest interface has now been taken over by the W3C, and the future of the HTML Working Group is likely to further take part." (de to en, translate.google.com)
18:26:21 <sbp> phenny: "Insofern hatte die WHAT WG bereits einen positiven Einfluss. Ich hoffe, das geht so weit, dass wir die WHAT WG in der Form nicht mehr brauchen."?
18:26:22 <phenny> sbp: "In this respect, the WHAT WG is already a positive influence. I hope this goes so far that we have the WHAT WG in the form no longer need." (de to en, translate.google.com)
18:26:44 * sbp looks at the topic...
18:27:47 *** [bjoern] changed the topic to: "Limited time offer: Official Swhack Bags of Lies for 0.99€"
18:28:09 <[bjoern]> I really need to ... stop worrying about my terrible typing.
18:29:18 <sbp> I wonder if American police respond better to bribes in Euros
18:30:02 <sbp> (also, chak-e-mat)
18:30:24 <[bjoern]> they'd probably get you for distributing counterfeit dollars.
18:30:48 <sbp> by the way, I noticed that you were using y,x
18:30:53 <sbp> and I thought you were using x,y
18:31:05 <[bjoern]> I was using y,x?
18:31:10 <sbp> in our OXO game. but because the transformation was a preserving one...
18:31:11 <sbp> yeah
18:31:16 <sbp> according to your diagram
18:31:21 <[bjoern]> Is that like me failing to recall whether it's rows or columns first ... right
18:31:27 <[bjoern]> also, no
18:31:46 <sbp> no?
18:31:56 <[bjoern]> I was using ROW,COL
18:32:48 <[bjoern]> Perhaps the Eselsbrücke should be Colrow -> Karl Rove
18:33:08 <sbp> yeah, I use COL, ROW
18:33:23 <sbp> .leo Eselsbrücke
18:33:24 <phenny> die Eselsbrücke = crib, mnemonic, memory hook, mnemonic trick
18:33:25 <phenny> die Eselsbrücke (fig.) = mnemonic rhyme
18:33:26 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Eselsbr%C3%BCcke
18:33:35 <[bjoern]> donkey bridge, we had that recently.
18:33:40 <sbp> oh yeah
18:36:48 <sbp> why the crap doesn't emacs keep the column when transposing lines?
18:37:24 <[bjoern]> Perhaps you accidentally X-c X-r X-a X-p
18:37:57 <sbp> ooh, yeah. what is X?
18:38:14 <[bjoern]> The Emacs God Key.
18:38:40 <sbp> does rms have it only on his keyboard?
18:39:34 <[bjoern]> Not since esr stole it, I heard.
18:39:42 <sbp> kinky
18:39:49 <sbp> are they going to play keychase?
18:40:53 <[bjoern]> Would you want to know?
18:41:08 <sbp> no
18:41:56 <[bjoern]> ah, the reverse psych word for yes, tell me please.
18:42:07 <sbp> incorrect
18:42:22 <sbp> oh dear, this could go on for a while
18:42:22 <[bjoern]> I MUST KNOW, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO TWITTER
18:42:27 <sbp> hehe
18:42:40 * sbp looks again at the WHAT WG quote...
18:42:49 <sbp> also,
18:43:28 <[bjoern]> Don't 0x10 deliberately.
18:43:48 <sbp> well the cool kids are doing it
18:43:50 <sbp> (i.e. me)
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18:45:23 <[bjoern]> Couldn't watch this 0x10 abuse.
18:45:35 <[bjoern]> How many more must die until you stop?
18:59:14 <sbp> <: xmlns:="urn::"/>
18:59:20 <sbp> 0xml10
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18:59:53 *** [bjoern] changed the topic to: "Limited time offer: Official Swhack Bag of Lies for 0.99€. Order today and receive three fake signatures, gratis."
19:00:09 <[bjoern]> Which brings us back to paving the cowpaths.
19:00:25 <[bjoern]> .u
19:00:25 <phenny> [bjoern]: U+0010 U+0010 U+0010 U+0010 U+0010
19:02:51 <sbp> deltab: Springwatch!
19:03:14 <[bjoern]> Most time machines seem to have bugs.
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19:03:47 <[bjoern]> And as if things weren't bad enough already, Arnia joins.
19:04:02 <[bjoern]> Err, I mean, hellp Arnia, welcome to Swhack :---)))
19:04:03 <deltab> [bjoern]: and teleporters
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19:04:24 <[bjoern]> well they are okay actually, compared to holodecks.
19:04:30 * Arnia nukes [bjoern] angrily
19:04:55 <deltab> specifically, the remake of The Fly
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19:05:11 <sbp> and most episodes of Star Trek
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19:05:22 * Arnia remakes the fly starring Monty
19:05:22 <Monty2> 'tis [bjoern]! help me
19:05:32 <sbp> [bjoern]. Monty2 needs help
19:05:36 <deltab> (well, either version, I guess)
19:05:36 <Monty2> As we all know, mighty wanking pudding snogs sub-zero hyped-up television!
19:05:46 <[bjoern]> This is turning kafkaesque from many directions.
19:05:56 <sbp> yeah! good, innit
19:06:06 <sbp> Monty2 is a cockroach
19:06:08 <Monty2> see there. It's not rereading?
19:06:39 <[bjoern]> Makes me concerned Swhack might be a gravitational sink.
19:08:20 <sbp> hahaha
19:08:35 <sbp> "It probably just hatched on its back. I think I hatched on my back..."
19:08:42 <sbp> — Chris Packham
19:09:10 <sbp> more of a haha out of context, rather than a hahaha
19:09:14 <sbp> but a definite hahaha in context
19:09:30 <[bjoern]> From Kafka to Alien.
19:09:34 <sbp> has anybody invented the semi-ha yet?
19:09:46 <[bjoern]> "..."?
19:09:55 <sbp> the semi-ha
19:09:57 <sbp> half a ha
19:10:08 <sbp> the quaver of the ha world
19:10:24 <[bjoern]> I am sure unicode has half h and half a
19:10:34 <sbp> greatcakes!
19:10:57 <clsn> I know it has a half-H, some Claudian letter....
19:12:32 <[bjoern]> This could easily turn into a Uniporn thread/t.
19:12:52 <[bjoern]> .wik little bang
19:12:53 <phenny> "'Little T&A' is the fourth song on rock and roll band the Rolling Stones' 1981 album Tattoo You." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_T&A
19:12:58 <sbp> .u bang
19:12:59 <phenny> U+BC29 HANGUL SYLLABLE BANG (방)
19:13:00 <sbp> .u half h
19:13:01 <phenny> U+FFA0 HALFWIDTH HANGUL FILLER (ﾠ)
19:13:01 <sbp> .u half a
19:13:02 <phenny> U+FFC2 HALFWIDTH HANGUL LETTER A (ￂ)
19:13:08 <clsn> I remember ascii-art porn in the eighties... I bet Unicode will do wonderful things for that.
19:13:15 <sbp> .u heavy exc
19:13:16 <phenny> U+2762 HEAVY EXCLAMATION MARK ORNAMENT (❢)
19:13:22 <sbp> 방❢
19:13:26 <[bjoern]> vlc can render your porn into ascii.
19:13:39 <clsn> Yeah, aalib will let you watch movies in ascii.
19:13:44 <sbp> command line to do that?
19:14:18 <clsn> Um, lemme see.
19:14:27 <jsled> mplayer -vo aa file
19:14:27 <phenny> jsled: 25 May 13:08Z <sbp> tell jsled I've been using dircproxy for years, but I recently switched to znc. as far as I can tell, it's quite a bit better
19:14:55 <clsn> yeah, -vo aa
19:15:32 <[bjoern]> now we need a lisppaste2 with ansi support.
19:16:43 <sbp> I've just been watching a man dragging a rabbit past a horse
19:16:54 <sbp> what have you been doing?
19:17:07 <clsn> I wonder if ImageMagick has AA support.
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19:18:39 <[bjoern]> does not appear so
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19:20:01 <clsn> Hmm, mine has a .TXT type, lessee what that does.
19:20:15 <clsn> Nope, that's not it.
19:20:33 <[bjoern]> It would be on http://www.imagemagick.org/script/formats.php if it had anything like it.
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19:22:55 <clsn> I think I used to (at least) have a GIMP plugin that would save things in AA format.
19:23:26 <clsn> Seems still to be there, probably a standard lib.
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19:28:23 <sbp> obvious from the gape flanges
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19:31:43 <[bjoern]> .gc "rent a penis"
19:31:44 <phenny> "rent a penis": 7
19:32:14 <sbp> madam, there is a badger up your chimney
19:32:36 <[bjoern]> Call Arnia.
19:37:38 <xover> .gcs rent-a-cop rent-a-cock rent-a-penis
19:37:39 <phenny> rent-a-cop (1,390,000), rent-a-cock (467,000), rent-a-penis (231,000)
19:37:44 <[bjoern]> .leo Schnaps
19:37:45 <phenny> der Schnaps = schnapps also: schnaps, booze (coll.), grog, hard liquor
19:37:46 <phenny> geschmuggelter Schnaps = contraband liquors
19:37:47 <phenny> ein Gläschen Schnaps = slug
19:37:47 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Schnaps
19:37:53 <sbp> - works like space now
19:37:55 <sbp> annoyingly
19:37:56 <[bjoern]> the - thing no longer jibes with the googles.
19:39:11 <[bjoern]> So who could Google buy to get into the huge Portal business?
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19:40:03 <sbp> Daum?
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19:40:19 <[bjoern]> "Expanding services was a strategy to secure the user-base and lengthen the time a user stayed on the portal."
19:41:04 <[bjoern]> "Excite went bankrupt and its remains were sold to iWon.com"
19:41:11 <sbp> ...hehe
19:42:38 <[bjoern]> seems like they actually only bought the brand and domain name
19:42:59 <[bjoern]> "Web portals have also expanded into the professional sports market. Fans of sports teams create a Sportal (sports portal), which brings all information about a professional sports team to one web portal."
19:43:15 <sbp> those was presumably the only things worth buying
19:43:19 <sbp> *were
19:44:17 <[bjoern]> I'd have bought a server for cheaps, better than a stamps collection.
19:44:52 <sbp> I wonder if twitter got their servers cheep too?
19:45:11 <[bjoern]> It's called tweet, not cheep.
19:46:06 <[bjoern]> .wik GobiernoUSA.gov
19:46:06 <phenny> "GobiernoUSA.gov is the official Spanish-language web portal of the United States Government. 'Gobierno' is Spanish for 'government.' The portal provides centralized access to free and trustworthy U.S. government information and services in Spanish on a wide range of [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GobiernoUSA.gov
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19:53:41 <[bjoern]> .leo poppen
19:53:42 <phenny> jmdn. poppen (sl.) | poppte, gepoppt | = to fuck so. (vulg.)
19:53:43 <phenny> poppen (sl.) | poppte, gepoppt | = to fuck (vulg.)
19:53:44 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=poppen
19:54:01 <[bjoern]> incomplete
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19:54:15 <[bjoern]> but sufficient to
19:54:17 <[bjoern]> .wik Microsoft Popfly
19:54:17 <phenny> "Microsoft Popfly (internally codenamed Springfield[1]|) is a Web site that allows users to create web pages, program snippets, and mashups using the Microsoft Silverlight rich internet applications runtime and the set of online tools provided." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Popfly
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19:56:37 <nsh> phenny, en fi "disposition"?
19:56:37 <phenny> nsh: "disposition" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
19:57:37 <nsh> phenny, en fi "propensity"?
19:57:37 <phenny> nsh: "alttius" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
19:57:48 <nsh> phenny, fi en "alttius"?
19:57:48 <phenny> nsh: "susceptibility" (fi to en, translate.google.com)
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20:02:01 <nsh> .w avaricious
20:02:02 <phenny> avaricious — adjective: 1. Actuated by avarice; greedy of gain; immoderately desirous of accumulating property
20:03:54 <nsh> phenny, en fi "matchmaking"?
20:03:55 <phenny> nsh: "matchmaking" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
20:06:18 <nsh> phenny, en fi "purpose"?
20:06:18 <phenny> nsh: "tarkoitus" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
20:08:55 <sbp> there's a programme about John Donne on now on BBC 2
20:09:04 <sbp> and it's supreme cack so far
20:09:42 <nsh> phenny, en fi "sardonic"?
20:09:42 <phenny> nsh: "ivallinen" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
20:12:29 <nsh> phenny, en fi "implicit"?
20:12:29 <phenny> nsh: "implisiittinen" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
20:12:34 <nsh> phenny, en fi "EXplicit"?
20:12:34 <phenny> nsh: "Explicit" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
20:12:43 <nsh> phenny, en fi "EXplicit"?
20:12:43 <phenny> nsh: "Explicit" (en to fi, translate.google.com)
20:12:52 * nsh goes to query
20:16:29 <sbp> some actress is currently doing Elegy XIX
20:16:38 <sbp> I quoted Elegy XX in here other day, if you recall
20:17:04 <[bjoern]> .g Elegy XIX
20:17:05 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~keith/poems/Elegy19.html
20:17:06 <[bjoern]> .title
20:17:06 <phenny> [bjoern]: John Donne: Elegy XIX. To His Mistress Going To Bed
20:17:17 <[bjoern]> so, porn
20:18:23 <sbp> yeah
20:18:38 <sbp> and they're having a nice academic discussion about it
20:20:13 <[bjoern]> "Even if it doesn't work, you can still pleasure her"
20:20:18 <[bjoern]> "Yeah that's true"
20:20:24 <[bjoern]> "You can have threesomes"
20:20:27 <[bjoern]> "With another girl"
20:20:31 <[bjoern]> "No, with another guy"
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20:48:34 <bancus> .ety perihelion
20:48:35 <phenny> "'point at which a celestial body is nearest the Sun,' 1690, coined in Mod.L. (perihelium) by Kepler (1596) from Gk. peri 'near' + helios 'sun' (see sol), and subsequently re-Grecianized." - http://etymonline.com/?term=perihelion
20:54:19 <sbp> .wik Lincoln's Inn
20:54:19 <phenny> "The Honourable Society of Lincoln's Inn is one of four Inns of Court in London to which barristers of England and Wales belong and where they are called to the Bar." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln's_Inn
20:55:14 <[bjoern]> .wik Lincoln's Out
20:55:15 <phenny> "Abraham Lincoln (February 12, 1809 – April 15, 1865) was the 16th President of the United States." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln
20:55:21 <[bjoern]> .img Lincoln's Out
20:55:21 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/research/digitaltampering/lincoln1+2.jpg
20:55:22 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=Lincoln%27s%20Out
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21:00:58 <sbp> :-)
21:01:21 <[bjoern]> night
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21:24:42 <tdobson> #goatfest ftw
21:25:41 <[bjoern]> Sorry, but pagan rituals are on thursdays, today is tuesday.
21:26:15 <[bjoern]> "A new IETF working group has been formed in the Applications Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. --- Yet Another Mail (yam)"
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