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00:16:22 <rmccue> ping nslater/sbp
00:16:28 <nslater> rmccue: hello
00:16:44 <[bjoern]> i sense a phenny question
00:16:53 <nslater> aye
00:17:55 <rmccue> 'tis.
00:18:19 <rmccue> nslater: A bunch of users have requested that I remove the "silly" webservice.
00:18:28 <nslater> rmccue: see the blog post from sbp
00:18:54 <nslater> rmccue: http://inamidst.com/whits/
00:19:07 <rmccue> sbp has a blog? :P
00:19:08 <nslater> see also:
00:19:11 <nslater> .title http://mmfail.co.cc/node/12
00:19:13 <phenny> nslater: Phenny's oblique function has gone too far. | MaienM's Corner
00:19:19 <nslater> and:
00:19:20 <nslater> .title http://mmfail.co.cc/node/13
00:19:22 <phenny> nslater: Phenny's oblique function has been fixed | MaienM's Corner
00:19:27 <rmccue> Ah, thanks.
00:19:37 <nslater> why do you want it removed, btw?
00:19:43 <rmccue> Heh, that is actually one of the users who requested it be removed.
00:20:00 <nslater> if people are using ".o silly" to post 4chan graphics to the channel, just ban them as you would if they had pasted it intentionally
00:20:24 <nslater> .g filetype:png dramatica
00:20:26 <phenny> nslater: No results found for 'filetype:png dramatica'.
00:20:30 <nslater> .g type:png dramatica
00:20:31 <phenny> nslater: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/My_/b/_face
00:20:41 <rmccue> That's what I said, but I was overruled.
00:20:59 <nslater> rmccue: ^^ quick, lets remove the .g service!
00:21:08 <nslater> .g cock type:jpg
00:21:09 <phenny> nslater: http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/okvideo/videos/cock-rock-roach-xvid.avi/view
00:21:18 <nslater> omg, you can find porn with phenny! ban her!
00:21:18 <rmccue> I agree, once again.
00:21:22 * nslater chuckles
00:21:25 <nslater> which channel are you in?
00:21:36 <[bjoern]> Wait, what, you can't find porn with phenny?
00:21:38 <rmccue> #portableapps, along with a bunch of others.
00:21:55 <[bjoern]> Oh, *can*, yeah, go dislearn intarweb skillz
00:22:04 <nslater> yeah, fail
00:22:39 <rmccue> I liken it to the fact that apps are banned from the Apple App Store because you can find "sexual content", although you can easily do so with Safari.
00:22:59 <nslater> rmccue: wow, I can tell instantly I wouldn't want to spend time in there
00:23:33 <nslater> rmccue: wow, I just got banned
00:24:36 <rmccue> Mmm, Tim goes a little over the top at times. :P
00:24:43 <nslater> wow, he appologised to me for the ban
00:24:47 <nslater> that's never happened before
00:25:26 <rmccue> The banning, or the apologising?
00:26:11 <nslater> the apologising, I have been banned from many channels
00:26:27 <nslater> and if I am telling the truth, I just posted porn to the channel as a slight troll ;)
00:26:34 <nslater> so it makes me chuckle that you unbanned me!
00:26:42 <nslater> shush, don't tell!
00:39:04 <deltab> rmccue: Apple don't like you duplicating any iPhone functionality in your apps
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00:41:41 <rmccue> deltab: Haha, touché.
00:42:19 <rmccue> nslater: What phenny really needs is a way to reload itself...
00:42:49 <deltab> .reload
00:43:47 <nslater> rmccue: yeah, what?
00:43:52 <nslater> phenny: reload *
00:46:12 <rmccue> .py
00:46:13 <phenny> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'encode' (file "/var/www/inamidst.com/htdocs/phenny/modules/oblique.py", line 94, in py)
00:46:19 <nslater> hmm
00:46:25 <nslater> looks like a bug ro me
00:46:28 <nslater> *to
00:46:50 <rmccue> Different error to pabot though.
00:50:46 <rmccue> nslater: I have "import search as google" in one of my modules, it doesn't work though.
00:54:56 <nslater> how doesnt it work?
00:55:14 <rmccue> It doesn't load the module because it can't find "search"
00:55:31 <rmccue> "Error loading portableapps: No module named search (in bot.py)"
00:59:09 <nslater> from phenny import search as google
00:59:52 <rmccue> "ImportError: cannot import name search (source unknown)"
01:00:09 <nslater> dunno then :)
01:01:06 <rmccue> I know it's because modules appear to be loaded alphabetically, so search hasn't been loaded.
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01:04:02 <rmccue> nslater: How does external (in config) work? i.e, how do I make it liberal, but exclude one module?
01:04:45 <nslater> not sure
01:04:53 <nslater> you'll have to ask sbp, or check the code
01:04:58 <rmccue> Oh, right.
01:05:07 <nslater> sorry
01:05:14 <nslater> really tired here, about to go to bed
01:05:54 <rmccue> Thanks for your help :)
01:06:42 <nslater> np
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01:40:56 <nsh> "An inquiry into the Iraq war will also be announced within days. " --http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/elections/article6452520.ece
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07:05:47 <nsh> .gs age * days profession
07:05:48 <phenny> nsh: no results
07:07:01 <nsh> .gs wanted wanted delores *
07:07:02 <phenny> nsh: no results
07:07:06 <nsh> weak
07:07:31 <nsh> .gs wanted wanted dolores *
07:07:32 <phenny> wanted wanted dolores *: haze (5)
07:07:46 <nsh> .gs hair: brown lips: *
07:07:47 <phenny> hair: brown lips: *: hot)
07:08:13 <_ulises> yo
07:10:20 <nsh> morning ulises
07:10:31 <nsh> Age: five thousand three hundred days.
07:10:31 <nsh> Profession: none, or "starlet"
07:11:00 <_ulises> morning nsh
07:11:22 <nsh> what's up?
07:13:11 <_ulises> not much, last week at my job so WEEEE!
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07:15:55 <_ulises> you?
07:22:02 <nsh> bout to go to the employment offie
07:22:09 <nsh> and pick up my phone from the post office
07:22:33 <nsh> gotta dash actually
07:23:46 <_ulises> k, enjoy
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07:36:28 <nsh> astrobiology.nasa.gov uses an invalid security certificate.
07:36:39 <nsh> AND THEY FAKED THE MOONOSAURI
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08:44:58 <nsh> Polly Toynbee ftw
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09:14:09 <sbp> yo
09:15:56 <sbp> hmm, BNP got two seats
09:17:33 <sbp> with 8% of the vote. so that's nearly 1/10 voters
09:17:40 <_ulises> yo
09:17:43 <sbp> yo _ulises
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09:34:48 <sbp> 01:21 <nslater> omg, you can find porn with phenny! ban her!
09:34:52 <sbp> — heh, heh
09:35:49 <sbp> hmm. they're interviewing "NICK GRIFFIN MEP" on BBC News
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09:51:03 <sbp> chuckle. “the government have been shambolic, and the only people who have been more shambolic are the rebels”
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09:57:35 <cre8radix> heya
09:58:56 <sbp> yo cre8radix
09:59:10 <cre8radix> yo
09:59:31 <cre8radix> Swedish Pirate Party wins two seats: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/swedish-pirate-party-wins-two-seats/2009/06/08
09:59:41 <sbp> yeah!
10:01:08 <_ulises> yo radixman
10:01:42 <cre8radix> heya _ulises
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10:11:56 <_ulises> speaking of the devil!
10:14:56 * cre8radix has to disassemble his macbook
10:15:03 <cre8radix> O_O
10:15:06 <cre8radix> suckage
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11:01:48 <sbp> .u 9
11:01:49 <phenny> U+0039 DIGIT NINE (9)
11:07:22 <sbp> heh, Cameron just said it too: [of Brown and the Labour Party] "he can't seem to reorganise the cabinet, and they can't seem to organise a coup!"
11:09:55 <sbp> "black, white, rich, poor, north, south, straight, gay, you are part of our nation and we are proud of you" (then goes on to speak out against the BNP)
11:10:11 <sbp> e.g. "nasty bunch of thugs"
11:12:36 <sbp> very smooth speech. he's in Wales
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13:20:15 <kpreid> http://ed-thelen.org/bab/bab_inst.html
13:20:25 <kpreid> ^ operating manual for the Difference Engine
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14:22:49 <[bjoern]> yoing
14:24:19 <kpreid> going
14:24:30 <[bjoern]> soonishly
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16:59:33 <xover> .t PDT
16:59:34 <phenny> Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:59:34 PDT
16:59:43 <sbp> ooh, yes!
16:59:48 *** sbp changed the topic to: "WWDC!"
17:00:19 <sbp> #!/usr/bin/env python
17:00:19 <sbp> """
17:00:19 <sbp> plexdata.py - Plexdata Implementation
17:00:19 <sbp> Author: Sean B. Palmer, inamidst.com
17:00:19 <sbp> """
17:00:20 <sbp> import fieldtree
17:00:22 <sbp> class Packet(object):
17:00:24 <sbp> "Generic object container."
17:00:26 <sbp> def __init__(self):
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17:00:30 <sbp> self.objects = {}
17:00:32 <sbp> self.index = {}
17:00:34 <sbp> self.sensors = set()
17:00:36 <sbp> Service.packet = self
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17:00:42 <sbp> def __str__(self):
17:00:44 <sbp> objects = self.objects.iteritems()
17:00:46 <sbp> items = ('%s := %s' % (a, b) for a, b in objects)
17:02:35 <sbp> whoops, etc.
17:02:41 <sbp> meant to paste: http://live.gizmodo.com/
17:03:03 * Morbus grins.
17:04:17 <sbp> “Amazing week planned; 5,200 developers at WWDC, most anticipation yet.”
17:04:20 <xover> http://very.seedy.porn.site.com/
17:04:21 <sbp> better not suck this up then
17:04:40 <Morbus> yeah, like they did last time.
17:04:45 <Morbus> they could win big if they intro the tablet.
17:04:49 <Morbus> but i doubt that'll happen
17:04:57 <Morbus> new iphone, and snow leopard, both of which are unexciting.
17:05:11 <sbp> “OS X is very popular” — GET ON WITH IT
17:05:23 <tobbez> Morbus: what tablet?
17:05:24 <sbp> yeah, don't think the tablet is ycoming
17:05:29 <xover> Hmm, if that 75M number is real, that's pretty insanely big; the “20-25M” figure has been the case since the late nineties.
17:05:36 <Morbus> the tablet that i preordered before i knew it existed.
17:05:47 <Morbus> xover: remmeber, though - the iphone is a subet of os x.
17:05:51 <Morbus> they are probably counting that.
17:05:56 <sbp> “The crowd’s definitely an Apple friendly crowd, and are applauding the stats about OS X users.”
17:06:04 <xover> Ah, that would account for it I suppose.
17:06:07 <sbp> hmm, wonder how many iPhone users. good point
17:07:06 <Morbus> boring. new laptop. yawn.
17:07:13 * Morbus preorders.
17:07:26 <Morbus> ew, builtin battery
17:07:31 <sbp> yeah
17:07:37 <nslater> WWDC?
17:07:38 * Morbus just had to replace his battery
17:07:40 <sbp> my old one went boom already
17:07:42 <xover> Still not convinced non-remoable battery is not a terrible idea.
17:07:42 <sbp> aye
17:07:52 <Morbus> nslater: yah. #wwdc, http://live.gizmodo.com/ http://www.macrumorslive.com/
17:08:05 <Morbus> "you can only use your laptop 7000 hours, then you owe us".
17:08:12 <sbp> Swhack consensus: sucks
17:08:16 <nslater> what!?
17:08:20 <Morbus> #swhack is not typical computer user.
17:09:36 <sbp> aye
17:09:39 <sbp> “Typical user will get 5 years of use before seeing diminished battery life”
17:11:06 <xover> Nice disk boost on that thing 500GB @ 7200 RPM.
17:12:40 <xover> .c 2500 USD in NOK
17:12:42 <phenny> 2500 U.S. dollars = 16 103.9931 Norwegian kroner
17:12:43 * Morbus is yawning.
17:12:50 <xover> That's not actually that bad.
17:12:51 <sbp> http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/wwdc2009/wwdc2009-121.jpg
17:13:09 <xover> oooh, and MacBook price drop is noce; the SO needs a new lappy.
17:13:53 <xover> All Hail FW800!
17:14:06 <sbp> heh
17:14:11 <xover> Bleh! Rebranding to Pro. :-(
17:14:44 <sbp> what's the Pro becoming?
17:14:47 <sbp> Superpro?
17:14:55 <sbp> Extreme?
17:15:10 <Morbus> Macbook Ghandi
17:15:17 <jsled> Supremoxtreme
17:15:18 <xover> What're they doing for the non-Pro MacBooks is a better question.
17:15:59 <xover> .c 1500 USD * 1.25 in NOK
17:16:00 <phenny> 1500 U.S. dollars * 1.25 = 12 077.9949 Norwegian kroner
17:16:07 <xover> Not too bad.
17:17:22 <Morbus> os x talk next.
17:17:33 <sbp> yeah
17:17:36 * jessica waves at xover.
17:17:36 <phenny> jessica: 07 Jun 21:05Z <nsh> tell jessica that searching for her on twitter breaks it
17:17:41 <sbp> exciting!
17:17:42 * jessica laughs.
17:17:45 <xover> I hope they publish a QT stream of this. I'm curious how Schiller does compared to Jobs (who, lets face it, lost some of his magic the last few keynotes).
17:17:54 <jessica> phenny, tell nsh it's jpallan, nothing interesting or quirky.
17:17:55 <nslater> is dublin, ireland the same time as london atm?
17:17:55 <phenny> jessica: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
17:18:03 <Morbus> don't you mean "lost some of his weight"? ZING. ROFFLE.
17:18:15 <xover> heh heh, below the belt dude!
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17:19:24 <sbp> “They’re stressing that Windows 7 has the same core functionality as Windows Vista.”
17:19:27 <Morbus> i miss disk defragging honestly.
17:19:30 <xover> Heh, burning Vista/Win7 for being “same old tech” when he's about to talk about an OSX upgrade branded as “No new features,”. Pretty ballsy Bertrand!
17:19:32 <sbp> unlike, say, Snow Leopard and Leopard
17:19:35 <Morbus> it was very cathartic watching colorful blocks move around.
17:19:38 <sbp> heh, yeah, defrag was awesome
17:19:54 <xover> ditto
17:19:55 <nslater> they should have made it into a game
17:20:07 <nslater> like tetris, where if you made mistakes it lost your data
17:20:09 <sbp> yeah, if only some Russian guy had made it into a game...
17:20:09 <nslater> \o/
17:20:16 <Morbus> it really felt like things ran faster when all the colors were in a row.
17:20:17 <Morbus> ;)
17:20:18 <nslater> ???
17:20:48 <sbp> "What’s going on with Snow Leopard? Refinements, new technologies and Exchange support. (Minor applause and one hoot.)"
17:20:54 <xover> heh heh
17:21:04 <sbp> Snow Leopard: the one hoot operating system
17:21:19 <xover> But I am looking forward to Exchange support, since Microsoft can't seem to figure out how to do it I mean.
17:21:27 <Morbus> Refined over 90% of core OS pieces in Snow Leopard. Rewrote Finder in Cocoa, which results in lots of extra features.
17:21:50 <xover> Oooh! 45% faster install!
17:22:02 <sbp> “As for the dock, Apple built expose into the dock.”?
17:22:07 <xover> (depressigly, I'm not being sarcastic)
17:22:35 <xover> [[[
17:22:36 <xover> Built Expose into the Dock. Click and hold on an app icon, and all of its open windows appear in typical Expose style. 45% faster installation of the OS. Recover over 6GB of disk space after upgrading from Leopard.
17:22:37 <xover> ]]]
17:22:40 <Morbus> Built Expose into the Dock. Click and hold on an app icon, and all of its open windows appear in typical Expose style
17:22:42 <Morbus> that's kinda handy.
17:22:47 <sbp> hmm
17:22:48 <Morbus> i always forgoet the key command.
17:22:58 <sbp> I have a hot-corner
17:23:01 <xover> I always disable it because I need all my keys for different stuff.
17:23:08 <Morbus> yeah, but i use multiple monitors sbp
17:23:13 <Morbus> my hot corner is waaaay the fuck over there.
17:23:15 <Morbus> ;)
17:23:20 <sbp> fancy, fancy... :-)
17:23:51 <Morbus> lol: "In Leopard you can select text from PDFs but it doesn’t always select logically. Now, it does. “We use a little bit of AI.” Great, so it works now? Good job?"
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17:24:21 <Morbus> safari 4 final out today
17:24:28 <sbp> mebs they fixed some shit
17:24:32 <xover> If only I didn't hate S4 with a vengeance.
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17:24:45 <sbp> ME AND MORBUS LIKE IT!
17:24:47 <sbp> SO THERE!
17:24:52 <xover> You're both sick.
17:25:00 <Morbus> yeah, i'm using it pretty reliably now with saft.
17:25:08 <Morbus> even with the annoying saft shareware whining.
17:25:13 <xover> Oh I use it, I just don't like it.
17:25:14 <[bjoern]> yo
17:25:19 <xover> no
17:25:21 <Morbus> which i'll crack as soon as they get to it.
17:25:24 <Morbus> why don't you like it?
17:25:40 <sbp> they haven't mentioned whether you can actually turn the monitor brightness down low with Snow Leopard...
17:25:45 <sbp> yo [bjoern]. WWDC
17:25:58 <sbp> “Crash resistance is a new feature.”?
17:26:01 <sbp> in Safari? what's that?
17:26:07 <xover> The tabs, the wonkyness of the preview/icon/wotsit page, the incessant popuppery.
17:26:15 <[bjoern]> oh god why did nobody warn me
17:26:20 <Morbus> pop uppery?
17:26:21 <xover> See /topic.
17:26:24 <sbp> [bjoern]: topic
17:26:37 <[bjoern]> Like, before it wasn't too late.
17:26:41 <xover> Morbus: takes too long to explain, and will seem utterly insane to you. nm.
17:27:16 <Morbus> qt 10 has http streaming? interesting.
17:27:31 * Morbus was just looing into icecast or ffserver an hour ago
17:27:39 <xover> “works with any server”
17:27:40 <Morbus> the new quicktime logo reminds me of hal.
17:27:45 <sbp> see, should've done it after WWDC
17:27:53 <Morbus> sbp: yeah, i know, wtf.
17:28:25 <xover> But no word on the demise of QuickTime “Pro” as yet. :-(
17:28:41 <Morbus> i hate quicktime pro.
17:28:47 <xover> But finally sanely useable Stacks.
17:28:57 <sbp> “A new magnifier can blow up your thumbnails within Finder.”
17:29:07 <nslater> haha, wow
17:29:07 <[bjoern]> what is a subsequence of a string as opposed to a substring?
17:29:08 <sbp> KABOOM
17:29:45 <sbp> 18:29 <Elbridge|CrunchG> {blogger comment} Thumbnail view just became usable, hurray!
17:30:22 <sbp> --
17:30:23 <sbp> Jason Chen:
17:30:23 <sbp> From where I’m sitting, he looks like a more exciting John Kerry.
17:30:23 <sbp> --
17:30:25 <sbp> hehe
17:30:28 <xover> heh heh
17:30:46 <sbp> ah!
17:30:48 <sbp> “Can work within a window without closing Expose and bringing all windows back.”
17:30:51 <sbp> great!
17:31:08 <[bjoern]> ah, non-continuous
17:31:44 <Morbus> "Can drag a file to an icon in the Dock, all of the app's windows will appear, and can drop the file in the corr" that's nice.
17:31:44 * danja__ watching http://live.gdgt.com/2009/06/08/live-wwdc-2009-keynote-coverage/ complete with Blackberry ads
17:31:50 <sbp> “Now talking about Safari improvements -- fastest browser on any platform.”
17:31:54 <sbp> — talking about it again?
17:31:56 <Morbus> yawn.
17:31:57 <Morbus> wtf.
17:31:59 <sbp> danja__: ooh
17:32:22 <sbp> bit slow, that one
17:32:26 <sbp> gizmodo is fastest
17:32:41 <sbp> “Full History search allows you to Cover Flow through all your browsing history.”
17:32:47 <sbp> — which is completely useless, and was in the beta
17:32:59 * danja__ relocates
17:33:07 <xover> QuickTime X on Mac OS X, an OS X product. Version 10.x.
17:33:29 <Morbus> sbp: yeah, did you ever work on the archiver thing for that?
17:33:39 <sbp> Morbus: yeah, it works
17:33:40 <Morbus> since it keeps its own local store - did you ever work out how to get a readable one?
17:33:42 <danja__> bum, gizmodo.it - stupid FF
17:33:45 <sbp> .g site:inamidst.com sarc
17:33:46 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/code/sarc.py
17:33:48 <sbp> Morbus: there's the code
17:33:59 <Morbus> i thought that just gave you a list of what you visited.
17:34:01 <sbp> you need PlistBuddy, it's on the OS X disc or some apps include it
17:34:09 <sbp> yeah, it's a history list
17:34:11 <Morbus> and not a slogger-like archive.
17:34:12 <sbp> what do you want?
17:34:15 <sbp> nope...
17:34:17 <xover> Oh, and does QuickTime X finally support AC3 passthrough to S/PDIF without contortions (and sacrificing small animals).
17:34:21 <sbp> oh! text store, right
17:34:23 <sbp> yeah, dunno
17:34:29 <Morbus> a slogger-like archive. i thought it'd be possible cos it allows searching through your history.
17:34:39 <sbp> --
17:34:40 <sbp> Jason Chen:
17:34:40 <sbp> I wonder if Quicktime X will have expanded codec support. If it doesn’t, VLC may still be a better solution for people who watch a lot of downloaded internet videos.
17:34:41 <sbp> --
17:34:42 <sbp> bet it won't
17:34:52 <sbp> Morbus: aye, but I suspect they do keyword indexing
17:35:00 <sbp> and don't actually preserve order etc.
17:35:03 <xover> Ofcourse it won't. :-(
17:35:18 <Morbus> "Video editing from inside Quicktime for people who don’t want to go all the way into iMovie for just doing minor edits."
17:35:22 <Morbus> that sounds like a quicktime pro feature to me.
17:35:28 <Morbus> wonder if they're killing Pro then.
17:35:29 <sbp> “new Quicktime is gorgeous, frameless, and has iMovie like thumb”
17:35:36 <sbp> yeah, mebs. that would be good
17:35:38 <xover> SO the rumours said, but they've not mentioned it yet.
17:36:02 <sbp> ‘The “POWER OF SILICON.” And he raises his hand like a villain or a magician.’
17:36:07 <Morbus> export to youtube from inside quicktime? neato
17:36:13 <Morbus> http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/wwdc2009/wwdc2009-284.jpg
17:36:20 <Morbus> very interesting - scene thumbanils on the bottom?
17:36:23 <xover> Let me know how many times you actually end up using that feature.
17:36:31 <xover> Like iPhoto's Flickr integration.
17:36:38 <sbp> “Full Spotlight search of browser history -- full-text search, not just the URL/page title.” — it would be good if it actually worked like Google...
17:36:42 <Morbus> i just said neato, i didn't say i'd use it.
17:36:50 <Morbus> apple doesn't integrate with other sites too often.
17:36:51 <sbp> Morbus: yeah, like iMovie
17:37:09 <kpreid> Morbus: selecting text in pdfs actually is hard. unlike, say, html, pdf really doesn't have a linear order of the text -- it's just specified symbols at coordinates
17:37:17 <Morbus> kpreid: i know this.
17:37:32 <Morbus> so, you can search your browser history via cmd-space? i've never tried that.
17:37:46 * kpreid has done it
17:37:52 <danja__> Beagle does that, dunnit?
17:37:59 <sbp> not Command+Space
17:38:02 <kpreid> mostly by accident or, when on purpose, by the safari bookmarks search boz
17:38:04 <kpreid> box
17:38:11 <sbp> (or does it? on Leopard only?)
17:38:26 <kpreid> very handy .. "ok, I was on a site that had "foo" in the name...
17:38:29 <Morbus> yeah, it works in leopard.
17:38:31 <kpreid> "but I have no idea when"
17:38:37 <Morbus> i just searched for gizmodo and it returned the liveblog link.
17:39:01 <sbp> hmm, cool
17:39:11 * danja__ going to be a grump on this whatever - recently bought a (white) vaio
17:39:12 <Morbus> "In Leopard, when Mail is busy it uses a bunch of threads. When Mail is idle it uses MORE threads. But in Snow Leopard, mail uses fewer threads when idle."
17:39:17 <Morbus> most useless description of GCD ever.
17:39:33 <danja__> .g gcd
17:39:34 <phenny> danja__: http://www.comics.org/
17:39:38 <danja__> great
17:39:40 <sbp> yeah. was just about to paste that and say "...great"
17:39:42 <Morbus> grand central dispatch.
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17:39:48 <Morbus> a new thread model in snow leopard
17:39:49 <danja__> uh-huh
17:39:56 <sbp> so basically, they didn't implement it like idiots this time
17:39:58 <Morbus> danja__: but, i'ved work on comics.org too ;)
17:40:09 <Morbus> "Three people clapped.
17:40:09 <Morbus> "
17:40:10 * Morbus snickers.
17:40:14 <danja__> best hit den
17:40:21 <sbp> bwahaha
17:40:51 * Morbus has to go soon. sniff.
17:41:06 <sbp> aw man
17:41:11 <xover> How does he go from OpenCL to Exchange?
17:41:12 <Morbus> site still has saf beta.
17:41:14 * Morbus grumbles.
17:41:24 <sbp> heh, yeah, I was gonna check
17:41:27 <Morbus> “Power for YOU,” he says, pointing at the audience.
17:41:28 <Morbus> llaaame.
17:41:44 <danja__> in twitter: Wil Shipley (2 minutes ago)
17:41:44 <danja__> I'd marry Bertrand if he weren't already married, and if it weren't illegal in California. #wwdc
17:42:06 <sbp> hehe
17:42:19 <Morbus> [[[
17:42:19 <Morbus> Jason Chen:
17:42:19 <Morbus> Just fill in your email address and your password and you’re set in all three apps. Back comes John Kerry.
17:42:20 <Morbus> ]]]
17:42:21 * Morbus grins.
17:42:36 <xover> But can Mail/Address Book/iCal finally sync with both Exchange ad MobileMe at the same time?
17:42:41 <Morbus> exchange demo. boring.
17:43:03 <sbp> very boring
17:43:25 <xover> Would be very interesting if I could actually see the demo, and not rely on second-hand reports of it.
17:43:28 <sbp> what: http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c107202/img_1233.jpg
17:43:51 <Morbus> that's a caption-worthy photo./
17:44:06 <sbp> Mac OS X 10.7 Coal Monkey
17:44:13 <Morbus> one of these days, i want to try Mail.app again.
17:44:20 <sbp> I use it to archive stuff
17:44:22 * Morbus really likes the idea of wholesome integration with everything
17:44:27 <Morbus> yeah? what format does it store in?
17:44:30 <xover> Nope, you can have my Mailsmith when you pry it &c.
17:44:34 <sbp> .emlx or something
17:44:41 <sbp> has to use a single file per email so it works with Spotlight
17:44:43 <Morbus> i tried mailsmith, being a bbedit whore.
17:44:52 <Morbus> didn't like that it's pretty dead.
17:44:52 <xover> Yeah, it's nto for everyone.
17:44:59 <xover> Oh, and that. :-)
17:45:08 <Morbus> sbp: a single file per email
17:45:10 <Morbus> ?!
17:45:24 <sbp> yeah...
17:45:26 <Morbus> so, my 1tb drive, with blocks, will be filled if i import my 3mil messages? ;)
17:45:35 <sbp> mprobz
17:45:44 <xover> Oooh, does it have ZFS I wonder?
17:45:46 <sbp> (probably, not problems)
17:45:53 <Morbus> that's kinda lame.
17:45:59 <Morbus> i don't consider emails importantant enough for one file per.
17:46:00 <sbp> “And that’s it for the Exchange demo.” — yay
17:46:11 <Morbus> anymore than i consider the chapter of a book important enough for one file each.
17:46:50 <Morbus> 29 bucks?
17:46:51 <sbp> 10:45AM - Bertrand: “It’s so ironic that we have Exchange support for no extra charge, while Windows PCs have it as an extra product.” Ha.
17:46:53 <Morbus> available TODAY?!
17:46:59 <Morbus> available today would be great.
17:47:01 <sbp> what is?
17:47:07 <Morbus> sl
17:47:10 <sbp> ...$29?!
17:47:17 <sbp> it's only $29!
17:47:19 <Morbus> yeah.
17:47:25 <Morbus> that's a good price
17:47:26 <xover> September. :-(
17:47:28 <sbp> that's crazy cool
17:47:31 <Morbus> stepmebet?! fuck.
17:47:32 <sbp> September? ah, butt
17:48:08 <Morbus> way too long.
17:48:15 <xover> Might have to torrent the new developer preview.
17:48:16 <Morbus> yawn, iphone next.
17:48:17 <Morbus> care less.
17:48:23 <sbp> yeah, bleh iPhone
17:48:26 <xover> For the sacrificial Mac mini if nothing else.
17:48:28 <Morbus> i want an iphone, don't get me wrong.
17:48:30 <danja__> but will these new boxes double as tinfoil helmets?
17:48:36 <Morbus> but listening to this crap ain't gonna convince me not to get one.
17:48:47 <Morbus> and i don't know what i'm missing. so this, in retrospect, is useless to me.
17:48:56 <Morbus> unless they made them the size of a tablet.
17:48:57 * Morbus grins.
17:48:59 <xover> Rumours of cheaper-faster-better iPhones...
17:49:00 <sbp> heh, heh
17:49:08 <sbp> $29 iPhone?
17:49:14 <Morbus> AVAILABEL TODAY
17:49:17 * danja__ recently bought the cheapest pohne in the shop
17:49:17 <xover> I'd bu that for a dollar.
17:49:47 <danja__> until you can surgically implant $200+ phones, I'll only lose it
17:50:03 <sbp> tie it to your gloves
17:50:10 <danja__> :-)
17:50:35 <xover> Just give me encrypted disk in iPhone 3.0 and I'll be a happy camper.
17:50:50 <sbp> “More than 40,000,000 iPhones plus iPod touches have been sold.”
17:50:55 <sbp> there's your figure for OS X usage
17:51:05 <xover> yeah
17:51:25 <danja__> plus the Aussie OS XXX
17:51:29 <sbp> ehheh
17:51:33 <xover> Well, plus another 10M or so on actual Macs.
17:51:35 <danja__> and pr0n OS XXXX
17:51:40 <xover> Which soundsplausible.
17:52:22 <Morbus> we shold get iphones and work on a game sbp.
17:52:38 <sbp> what would we call it?
17:52:48 <xover> nslater will come to your house and stab you!
17:52:55 <Morbus> that's a perfect title, xover.
17:53:02 <xover> (no really, that's what you should call it!)
17:53:08 <danja__> dunno why they want to plug number of users - doesn't make it any better (c.f. Win XP)
17:53:20 <sbp> http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/wwdc2009/wwdc2009-402.jpg
17:53:24 <sbp> — giving birth to a new OS
17:53:26 <Morbus> danja__: well, generally speaking, win xp is rated badly, but the iphone is rated poorly.
17:53:33 <Morbus> it doesn't harm them to site it, cos no one hates the iphone.
17:53:39 <Morbus> er, rated *nicely*
17:53:52 <danja__> er, cite
17:54:29 <xover> There's also been depressingly little news of accessory makers taking advantage of the SDK so far.
17:55:00 <xover> I'm hoping for a better speaker/dock thingy, since the Logitech on my night stand is pretty crap.
17:55:19 <Morbus> lame, lame, lame.
17:55:40 <xover> Oh, also, the ability to use songs from your iTunes library as an alarm sound in Clock.
17:55:49 <danja__> ew
17:56:06 <Morbus> "People around the world are telling us their favorite app. But all in English.
17:56:06 <Morbus> "
17:56:07 <Morbus> heh, heh.
17:56:42 <sbp> “This is a major update to the iPhone operating system. It brings with it more than 100 new features.”
17:56:47 <sbp> — encryption for xover?
17:56:53 <xover> yespls
17:56:58 <xover> yespls
17:56:59 <xover> yespls
17:57:02 <xover> yespls
17:57:38 <xover> Yeah, don't really care about MMS. Move it along pls.
17:58:17 <_ulises> xover: you can forget about using your iphone as a funcy alarm clock
17:58:31 <sbp> --
17:58:32 <sbp> Jason Chen:
17:58:32 <sbp> “AT&T will be ready to support MMS later this summer.” Fail. FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL.
17:58:32 <xover> Oh?
17:58:32 <sbp> --
17:58:41 * danja__ has Crazy Frog in iTunes library, natch
17:58:45 <Morbus> what's MMS?
17:58:48 <_ulises> iphone is a big pile of fail, and by fail I mean spunk
17:58:51 <sbp> text messaging?
17:58:55 <sbp> .wik MMS
17:58:56 <phenny> "The Magnetospheric Multiscale Mission, a four-satellite NASA mission" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMS
17:59:08 <sbp> .wik MMS phone
17:59:08 <danja__> cool - I want an iPhone!
17:59:10 <phenny> "Multimedia Messaging Service, or MMS, is a telecommunications standard for sending messages that include multimedia objects (images, audio, video, rich text)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service
17:59:11 <_ulises> xover: Apple doesn't like background processes in the iPhone
17:59:21 <xover> _ulises: Go stand over there in the corner with nslater and mattl.
17:59:35 <sbp> and [bjoern]
17:59:51 <danja__> is there not a little irony in using a phone to send audio messages..?
18:00:01 <_ulises> xover: I know what I'm saying mang, they feel rather strongly about those background processes eating all the battery juice and stuff
18:00:06 <Morbus> wait, you couldn't send photos via your phone before?
18:00:10 <Morbus> that's really lame.
18:00:26 <sbp> Morbus: well you could send by email...
18:00:29 <_ulises> Morbus: the whole iphone business is lame
18:00:35 <danja__> twitter : Marcel Grünauer (1 minute ago)
18:00:35 <danja__> Only at Apple: A crowd that's excited about getting Copy-and-Paste.
18:00:38 <sbp> iTunes U?
18:00:43 <Morbus> itunes u is great.
18:00:47 <Morbus> heartily recommend it.
18:00:49 <sbp> what is it?
18:01:02 <Morbus> streamed audio/video courses.
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18:01:05 <Morbus> itunes university, in short.
18:01:09 <_ulises> typical nslater business!
18:01:10 <sbp> ah, right
18:01:14 <sbp> hehe
18:01:23 <_ulises> I thought this didn't happen here in swhack where grown ups talk
18:01:25 <Morbus> so, i'm confused.
18:01:32 <deltab> things are so bad for Labour that they may have to keep Brown
18:01:32 <Morbus> why are people so for mms when they can do it via email?
18:01:38 <Morbus> other phones can't do email or something?
18:01:39 <sbp> deltab: bwahaha
18:01:47 <xover> Because all other phones lack functioning email support.
18:01:52 <Morbus> got it.
18:02:02 <_ulises> Morbus: guess what did the iphone os 3.0 introduce that was utterly revolutionary? ... copy/paste
18:02:07 <Morbus> so, iphone sucks balls because it didn't suck *like other pones*?
18:02:12 <_ulises> Morbus: yeah, you read me right, copy/paste! zomg!
18:02:19 <xover> Ah, tethering: finally. But will it require a special magic data plan to use?
18:02:28 <sbp> hmm, Charles Clarke told him to resign
18:02:46 <sbp> “Next, Safari.”
18:02:49 <sbp> (for the third time)
18:02:55 * Morbus weeps.
18:03:04 * danja__ snores
18:03:08 <Morbus> anyways.
18:03:10 <Morbus> afk for the day.
18:03:12 * Morbus waves.
18:03:15 <sbp> c'ya Morb!
18:03:16 <danja__> tata
18:03:21 <nslater> what?
18:04:01 <xover> Nothing, go back to your corner.
18:04:19 <nslater> xover: i think _ulises is in an emenently better position to diss the iphone than i am, considering he is an iphone developer ;)
18:04:24 <sbp> oh man, they've listed HTML 5 as a feature
18:04:29 <danja__> isn't tethering like tying your goat to a post?
18:04:33 <sbp> THEY'VE LISTED HTML 5 AS A FEATURE
18:04:35 <sbp> it's on a slide
18:04:39 <danja__> omg
18:04:40 <_ulises> nslater: don't you be insulting me now ...
18:04:53 <xover> Including the <video> tag, which is so hotly debated on public-html right now it's not even funny.
18:04:58 <nslater> _ulises: you couldnt keep it secret foreverz
18:05:11 <_ulises> nslater: I can tolerate being kicked out of a channel because of my opinions, but being called an iphone developer is like a whole new level of insulting
18:05:39 <sbp> hehe
18:06:05 <[bjoern]> No, go find your own corner, mine are occupied.
18:06:10 <_ulises> "aye, I'm a developer for an overhyped and overrated phone and I also don't make a single penny out of it!"
18:06:18 <_ulises> meh
18:06:25 * _ulises wanders off to greener pastures
18:06:27 <sbp> not even a phone
18:06:49 <sbp> ‘Find My iPhone is a new feature. “It can be somewhat traumatic” to lose your phone.’
18:07:25 <xover> OHMYGAWD! MATTL WAS RIGHT! APPLE IS SEKRITLY TRACKING YOUR IPHONE FOR NEFARIOUS PURPOISES!
18:07:30 <sbp> http://photos.media.macrumorslive.com/p/2009-06-08/f1244484422.jpg
18:08:19 <[bjoern]> .g "circular substring"
18:08:20 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/spa/courses/cs381/h6sol.ps
18:08:25 <xover> ooh, user-initiated remote wipe, at's handy.
18:08:46 <sbp> see, you don't even need encryption
18:08:47 <danja__> I use toilet paper
18:12:27 <nslater> remote wipe?
18:12:34 <nslater> find my iphone seems like a very worrying feature
18:12:47 <nslater> ah, remote wipe of data
18:12:56 <xover> nslater: seriously. corner. now.
18:13:03 <sbp> this is getting really boring
18:13:17 <sbp> alluding to “Google maps can go into any app.”
18:13:22 <xover> Hmm, in-app purchase has same terms as apps; so Apple takes, what, 30% of the presumably much more micro payment.
18:13:40 <nslater> xover: nope. there are some worrying aspects of turning this into a user facing service. everybody knows that you can track mobile phones via satlite (ywan) but it's not been this easy to consumers to access that data
18:13:43 <xover> Sounds like a recipe for why-even-bother syndrome.
18:13:52 <nslater> xover: think spouses, or stalkers, checking up on you via your iphone, etc
18:13:56 <sbp> user facing service? bwahaha
18:13:58 <nslater> what are the security precautions?
18:14:08 <nslater> sbp: whats so funny?
18:14:38 <xover> You have to pony up for MobileMe, and keep your login info safe.
18:14:41 <sbp> I just imagine you in a red scarf with a Cory Doctorow beanie propellor hat as you say it
18:14:42 <sbp> dunno
18:15:01 <_ulises> hehehe
18:15:02 <xover> Much like it is for Back to my Mac.
18:15:05 <_ulises> Noah Doctorow
18:15:15 <nslater> eh? I meant that these interfaces already exist, for the telecomunications networks and law enforcement agencies - this is a user facing version of that technology
18:15:35 <nslater> hmm, keep you login info safe? heh, and we know how good people are at doing that!
18:15:45 <_ulises> password123
18:15:50 <_ulises> oops, wrong window
18:16:01 <nslater> and what about the security of the site? perhaps it can be cracked, or perhaps they have one of those dumbass alternative questions things
18:17:14 <nslater> i can see all sorts of things happeneing with this, heh. spouses saying "well, if you have nothing to hide, let me have the password to your mobileme account"
18:17:19 <sbp> --
18:17:20 <sbp> Jason Chen:
18:17:20 <sbp> It looks better than DS quality graphics, definitely.
18:17:21 <sbp> --
18:17:50 <xover> nslater: There's a simple solution: don't fucking turn it on if your boyfriend is an ass.
18:18:00 <sbp> or girlfriend
18:18:01 <_ulises> nslater has a boyfriend now?
18:18:09 <nslater> aye, I was thinking of a jelous gf actually :)
18:18:15 <_ulises> first he comments on sbp's attributes and now he has a boyfriend!?!
18:18:20 <nslater> but either way, so now I have to turn my phone off when I'm having an affair?
18:18:23 <_ulises> all in one day, this is too much info man
18:18:54 <sbp> turning your phone off isn't the hardest thing you're going to have to do if you're having an affair...
18:19:08 <nslater> I wonder if Apple/Telenetwork keep historical/aggregated data from this stuff
18:19:15 <xover> Hmm. Airstrip/Critical Care sound interesting.
18:19:21 <nslater> so they have like a heatmap of the places you visit offten
18:19:30 <nslater> could build some interesting demographic data with that, valuable data
18:19:40 <xover> nslater: Yes, I'm sure they do.
18:19:49 * danja__ seen CSI
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18:20:03 * nslater is glad he doesn't have a mobile phone
18:20:04 <xover> And one night the secret team of Jobs-ninjas will parachute on your house and force you to use a non-free OS.
18:20:10 <sbp> iPhone 5.0 == Tricorder?
18:20:20 <nslater> you sound like Monty!
18:20:30 <sbp> someone's got to fill in for him
18:20:35 <nslater> :::(((
18:20:41 <[bjoern]> .wik Breakcore
18:20:42 <phenny> "Breakcore is an electronic music style that brings together elements of industrial, jungle, hardcore techno and IDM into a breakbeat-oriented sound that encourages speed, complexity, impact and maximum sonic density." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakcore
18:20:43 <sbp> “Next demo, ScrollMotion -- creates digital books for the App Store.”
18:20:54 <nslater> xover: anyway, drop this whole nslater is a freetard thing. i got over that ages ago
18:21:07 <danja__> .g youtube venetian snares
18:21:09 <phenny> danja__: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rjyVF6a4xo
18:21:26 <xover> Heaven forfend…
18:21:37 <sbp> “The book store they’re demoing works off of in-app purchase. Megan Fox”
18:21:45 <sbp> is Megan Fox the latest swear word?
18:21:57 <sbp> (was Megan Fox! rather)
18:21:58 <nslater> .img megan fox
18:21:59 <phenny> nslater: http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/date-machine/megan-fox-panties.jpg
18:22:00 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=megan%20fox
18:22:02 <xover> Still not sold on books on iPhone. Maybe if they go the tablet route with it, but…
18:22:06 <nslater> nice.
18:22:26 <nslater> how do you buy books?
18:23:02 <nslater> do they let you buy pornographic or "questionable" books?
18:23:03 <xover> A reader app with support for the new in-app purchase feature of the app store.
18:23:13 <xover> Possibly, they have parental controls supported now.
18:23:14 <[bjoern]> A friend is looking for an electronic musical style that combines depressive mood, female vocals, and harder beats; suggestions?
18:23:35 <xover> Tori Amos / KMFDM mashup.
18:23:40 <sbp> man this has gotten so boring
18:24:05 <xover> Oh, and the Kindle app isn't available for purchase in .no.... :-(
18:24:06 <[bjoern]> Yeah that is perhaps the right direction xover
18:24:32 <sbp> Morbus left at just the wrong point
18:24:42 <sbp> now everybody's going to go up to him and say "What did you think of WWDC?"
18:24:48 <sbp> and he's going to be all "it was okay, I guess"
18:24:55 <sbp> and they're going to be all RAGE; IT WAS TERRIBLE
18:24:56 <xover> And TomTom… again, maybe if they added a tablet sized model that I could dock in the car.
18:25:31 <nslater> [bjoern]: yeps, i got a recomendation for you
18:25:33 <danja__> [bjoern] such a style must exist...prolly from Bristol
18:25:47 <xover> But Lo! What's this? Steve Jobs coming on stage, holding a big sign that reads “One! More! Thing! (or you're fired Phil!)”
18:25:53 <nslater> danja__: haha, my recomendation is from bristol
18:26:05 <nslater> [bjoern]: http://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Obscene-Breakbeat-Era/dp/B00001QGL1
18:26:27 <danja__> oo - straight onto wishlist
18:26:29 <xover> Ah, yes, and he's announcing the iTablet. Which will be free, and come with all the books available through Amazon, at a 90% discount.
18:27:11 <nslater> "Oh my gosh, one second your being pulverized by the phattest breaks on earth while in the next your mind goes into sensory overload upon hearing the Ultra-obscenely awesome vocals of Leonie Laws accompanied by some of the most innovative D&B Bass lines ever!"
18:27:15 <xover> Then again the TomTom thingy looks… less utterly bleh than it could have.
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18:27:43 <xover> Oh god, not another iPhone game developer....
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18:27:57 <sbp> heh, heh
18:28:06 <sbp> we should greet all people that way
18:28:28 <nslater> [bjoern]: your friend might like kosheen toon
18:28:29 <sbp> --
18:28:29 <sbp> Jason Chen:
18:28:30 <sbp> What are the chances of an iPhone hardware announcement now? Not sure. If this thing goes for 2 hours, maybe. Maybe. Unlikely though?
18:28:31 <sbp> --
18:28:32 <nslater> *too
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18:28:51 <nslater> [bjoern]: http://www.amazon.com/Resist-Kosheen/dp/B00005NYA0/
18:29:15 <xover> If this thing goes on for 2 hours, they should have cut about 5 of the sessions about Safari.
18:29:24 <sbp> hehe
18:29:28 <[bjoern]> Thanks, I forwarded logs
18:30:00 <sbp> --
18:30:01 <sbp> Jason Chen:
18:30:01 <sbp> What are the chances of an iPhone hardware announcement now? Not sure. If this thing goes for 2 hours, maybe. Maybe. Unlikely though?
18:30:02 <sbp> --
18:30:12 <sbp> she knows so many orgasms are being had all over the world about her
18:30:19 <sbp> a woman can tell
18:30:26 <xover> Who?
18:30:28 <sbp> oh, I pasted the wrong one
18:30:36 <sbp> --
18:30:37 <sbp> Jason Chen:
18:30:37 <sbp> She’s about 5 levels too excited for demoing their games. Someone needs to calm her down. “BAM,” she shouts.
18:30:38 <sbp> --
18:30:47 <xover> heh heh
18:31:02 <nslater> [bjoern]: np
18:32:37 * danja__ wants nslater's torrents
18:32:58 <nslater> my torrents? huh :)
18:33:06 <sbp> --
18:33:06 <sbp> Jason Chen:
18:33:06 <sbp> Scott Forstall, “Mr. Science”, is going to balloon hold. He’s got goggles and earmuffs on.
18:33:07 <sbp> --
18:33:35 <xover> http://photos.media.macrumorslive.com/p/2009-06-08/f1244485926.jpg
18:33:48 <xover> This is looking more and more like the Microsoft Developer Conference.
18:34:40 <sbp> hehe
18:34:57 <sbp> Scott: “Last time I’m dressing up for an experiment.” Next up: ZipCar.
18:35:19 <sbp> Mark Wilson:
18:35:20 <sbp> zipcar coming up next. Why don’t any of these companies cap their names?
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18:37:50 <xover> Dude, unless you can drive the care using a tilt interface I'm not interested.
18:38:03 <sbp> ehheh
18:38:06 <sbp> yeah
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18:38:33 <sbp> --
18:38:35 <sbp> Jason Chen:
18:38:35 <sbp> People are getting antsy. iPhone apps are great, but they’re all here for the iPhone hardware. Is it? Isn’t it? Nobody knows! Tell us Forstall, tell us.
18:38:36 <sbp> --
18:38:42 <xover> [[
18:38:43 <xover> Final demo -- Line6 and Planet Waves. Together they are working on a solution to control your guitar and amp from your iPhone.
18:38:44 <xover> ]]
18:38:50 <xover> Why in the hell would I want to?
18:38:59 <sbp> that's pretty funny
18:39:08 <sbp> like you can be in Montana
18:39:19 <sbp> and your guitar and amp can be in Belarus
18:39:23 <sbp> and you can still control them!!
18:39:24 <sbp> AWESOME
18:39:45 <xover> But I can still only play the first three chords of Smoke on the Water, and hat's not even accounting for lag.
18:40:02 <sbp> couldn't they afford a real guitarist?
18:40:49 <sbp> xover: sorry to say, but they're not even chords
18:41:33 <mahound> it's fourths, isn't it?
18:41:37 <xover> I can still only make the three first noises from Smoke on …
18:42:07 <sbp> --
18:42:07 <sbp> Jason Chen:
18:42:07 <sbp> Who thinks Steve Jobs is going to show up in a few minutes?
18:42:08 <sbp> --
18:42:35 <xover> I'm actually half expecting it, for no other reason than to allay investor's fear about his health.
18:42:48 * sbp plays it with fourths
18:42:51 <sbp> sounds right, whatever
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18:43:04 <xover> Ah, June 17. Not too bad.
18:43:54 <sbp> swap iPhone and Snow Leopard pls Apple
18:43:59 <xover> yespls
18:44:22 <mahound> sbp: i read somewhere that ritchie blackmore would get really pissed off when he saw someone playing it with chords
18:44:31 <sbp> mahound: hehe
18:44:52 <xover> hmm. Schiller back on, and looks like he's ready to keep plowing on.
18:45:15 <sbp> three hour keynote?
18:45:36 <xover> Please have a new iDevice or two to announce, so I won't sink into self-loathing over having wasted an hour and a half on fucking Safari 4 demos.
18:46:01 <sbp> um, don't forget the MacBook rebranding
18:46:11 <sbp> YOU DID FORGET, DIDN'T YOU
18:46:14 * [bjoern] does not roll over the floor laughing in his corner.
18:46:15 <xover> Which took, what, all of 5 minutes to get out of the way?
18:46:36 <sbp> hehe. Applications Available: Palm: 18
18:46:43 <sbp> http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/wwdc2009/wwdc2009-746.jpg
18:46:56 <xover> My apologies, 11 minutes flat.
18:47:17 <xover> «He's now ready to tell us about a new version of the iPhone -- iPhone 3GS. S stands for speed»
18:47:26 <xover> Lame lame lame name.
18:48:47 <sbp> iPhone 3G[S], I think you mean
18:48:51 <xover> Some really weirdly specific N x faster Foo numbers.
18:49:05 <_ulises> are you still going on about teh iphonez?
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18:49:25 <[bjoern]> fine tune the benchmarks so the right numbers come out
18:49:31 <xover> Oh dear gods, not the fucking JS performance again!
18:50:03 <sbp> better camera
18:50:06 <sbp> 3MP, autofocus
18:50:06 <xover> Hmm, new camera. Like I ever bothered to use the old one.
18:50:57 <xover> Hmm, but the auto features sound kinda nice.
18:51:41 <sbp> http://www.obsessable.com/news/2009/06/08/wwdc-2009-live-video-stream/
18:52:08 <sbp> vidcam
18:52:32 <sbp> (on the phone I mean)
18:52:45 <sbp> hearing the clapping at minor features is fun
18:53:40 <sbp> API for it as well, so you can build video capture into apps
18:53:45 <sbp> voice control
18:53:55 <xover> Bah, voice control. Never worked right, won't do so this decade.
18:53:58 * [bjoern] waits for the exploits
18:54:16 <sbp> "and talk about easy to use!"
18:54:24 * _ulises clicked on the link, now regrets it
18:54:45 <sbp> also iPod control with your voice
18:55:01 <sbp> what's playing now? it'll tell you
18:55:23 <sbp> is that applause track added?
18:55:26 <xover> Digital compass might be remotely handy.
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18:55:32 <sbp> built in digital compass? hmm
18:56:02 <sbp> map orientation gets a huge cheer
18:56:08 <xover> Tap map to orient it the direction you're facing.
18:57:18 <xover> Encryption!!!
18:57:20 <sbp> ah!
18:57:22 <sbp> YEAH!
18:57:28 <sbp> hardware encryption
18:57:29 * xover preorders…
18:57:31 <mahound> where are you watching it?
18:57:31 <sbp> hehe
18:57:36 <sbp> URI above
18:57:48 <mahound> oh, cool
18:57:49 <mahound> sorry
18:58:11 <xover> “Instant remote wipe”. Hmm. As opposed to the other remote wipe?
18:58:11 <mahound> "encryption"?
18:58:14 <mahound> what do you mean?
18:58:24 <xover> Encrypt the data on the iPhone's disk.
18:58:41 <xover> Which is a requirement for some Enterprise type settings (mine, specifically).
18:59:06 <xover> Oh, better battery life would be handy; but frankly I've not had any trouble with it as it is.
18:59:10 <sbp> just summarising the hardware
18:59:24 <xover> Having turned off 3G and Bluetooth. :-)
18:59:32 <sbp> heh
18:59:47 <sbp> price!
18:59:49 <xover> Ooh! $199.
18:59:51 <sbp> $199
19:00:04 <xover> .c 200 USD * 1.25 in NOK
19:00:06 <phenny> 200 U.S. dollars * 1.25 = 1 610.39931 Norwegian kroner
19:00:08 <sbp> what GB for the $199?
19:00:19 <mahound> .c 200 USD to EUR
19:00:20 <phenny> 200 U.S. dollars = 144.310556 Euros
19:00:25 <xover> Oh rats, the sponsored / vendor-locked price of course. :-(
19:00:27 <sbp> 16 GB I think
19:00:33 <sbp> 32 GB for the higher price
19:00:35 <sbp> $299, I think it was
19:00:54 <xover> Yeah, $299 for 16GB.
19:01:01 <sbp> no, 32
19:01:07 <xover> Existing 3G for $99.
19:01:10 <mahound> how much was the iPod?
19:01:21 <sbp> for $99? wow
19:01:30 <sbp> so how much is the iPod Touch going to be?
19:01:35 <sbp> $99 8GB
19:01:40 <deltab> Springwatch
19:01:46 <xover> *sigh* at which price all my users will run out to buy it, and be sorely disappointed when I tell them they need the new GS to use it at work.
19:01:50 <sbp> ooh, yes! oh crud
19:01:50 <sbp> heh
19:01:51 <deltab> and tonight’s Dispatches: ‘Crash Gordon’
19:01:58 <sbp> heh, yeah, saw that
19:02:10 <xover> Ah, available in July/August.
19:02:40 <sbp> if the smallest iPod is like £50, I might just get a touch. heh
19:02:48 <sbp> er, smallest iPhone
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19:03:42 <deltab> “wobbin chicks”!
19:04:21 <xover> «Reviewing new MacBooks, Snow Leopard, iPhone 3.0, iPhone 3G S»
19:04:26 <sbp> --
19:04:26 <sbp> Mark Wilson:
19:04:26 <sbp> Schiller is reminding us of everything Apple showed us today, Snow Leopard, iPhone 3GS, an awkward science experiment. What a lineup.
19:04:27 <sbp> --
19:04:41 <xover> See, if they'd left out the Safari 4 and iPhone app demos this would have been a semi-decent iKeynote.
19:04:42 <sbp> ooh, are they gonna find the polecat?
19:04:44 <sbp> oh man
19:05:34 <sbp> keynote done?
19:05:38 <xover> yup
19:06:09 <sbp> must be a lot of lag on the video?
19:06:24 <sbp> oh, nope, just saying have a nice WWDC blah blah
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19:06:55 <sbp> Arnia: did you see any of it?
19:07:18 <Arnia> Yeah. Been tracking it from my phone
19:07:38 <sbp> http://www.apple.com/safari/ still shows "BETA"
19:08:01 <Arnia> Presumably it won't shortly
19:08:17 <danja__> uk comedy club on twitter liveish now http://twitter.com/tweetcomedyclub
19:08:22 <danja__> I'm off to bar
19:08:30 <Arnia> What are your thoughts on it?
19:08:38 <sbp> on the whole keynote?
19:08:51 <sbp> disappointed at the Snow Leopard release date
19:08:51 <Arnia> Yeah
19:08:59 <Arnia> Yeah.
19:09:05 <sbp> intrigued about the iPhone price: what's going to happen to the iPod Touch?
19:09:21 <sbp> encryption made xover rush to preorder
19:09:29 <sbp> Morbus was done before the iPhone stuff even started :-)
19:09:40 <sbp> MacBook battery thing seems a bit silly
19:09:45 <sbp> (five years for normal users?)
19:10:09 <sbp> also glad that Snow Leopard works on any Mac Intel box
19:10:14 <Arnia> Well it is in keeping with depreciation times
19:10:25 <sbp> five years is. but we're not normal users
19:10:31 <sbp> how long's it going to last for power users?
19:10:55 <sbp> and the old MacBook battery was really terrible
19:10:58 <Arnia> Well I upgrade every three or so.
19:12:48 <sbp> .wik Auk
19:12:49 <phenny> "Auks are birds of the family Alcidae in the order Charadriiformes." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auk
19:13:08 <Arnia> I'm intrigued by the rebrand
19:13:18 <sbp> yeah. are the Pros gonna be Extremes?
19:13:23 <sbp> SuperPro
19:13:41 <sbp> ah!
19:13:42 <xover> No, the 13" inch was just bumped from "" to " Pro".
19:13:44 <sbp> Safari 4!
19:14:16 <sbp> 29.1 MB for Tiger
19:14:34 <xover> The old white plastic thingy is now the only plain MacBook in the lineup.
19:14:46 <Arnia> Heh. I think the more likely alternative is a new product filling the gap
19:14:55 <Arnia> Ah
19:14:59 <xover> This does make room for something tablet-y.
19:15:10 <sbp> frog, not polecat...
19:15:17 <sbp> squirrel, not polecat...
19:15:32 <Arnia> Didn't realize the white one was staying as a MacBook
19:15:35 <sbp> POLECAT!
19:15:43 <sbp> having a drink
19:15:48 <Arnia> WHERE?!
19:15:52 <sbp> telly
19:16:12 <Arnia> Ah
19:17:12 <xover> Heh, 17" fully tricked out is 38.000kr
19:17:26 <xover> .c 38000 NOK in GBP
19:17:27 <phenny> 38 000 Norwegian kroner = 3 690.20268 British pounds
19:17:33 <xover> .c 38000 NOK in USD
19:17:34 <phenny> 38 000 Norwegian kroner = 5 899.158 U.S. dollars
19:17:51 <xover> For a mere $6.000…
19:17:56 <bancus> Try fully tricking out a Mac Pro.
19:18:03 <bancus> Last time I looked it was 38k
19:18:06 <bancus> (USD)
19:18:07 <xover> I have. :-)
19:18:25 <sbp> only getting 91.8KB/Sec
19:19:46 <xover> bancus: $15,349.00
19:19:49 <Arnia> The horror!
19:20:06 <bancus> Hm, it's gone down.
19:20:14 <bancus> And that's with the double 30" monitors?
19:20:23 <xover> No, not including monitors.
19:20:58 <xover> $18,947.00 including the monitors.
19:21:17 <sbp> requires reboot
19:21:29 <Arnia> Hmm
19:22:19 <xover> WIth every pointless option checked, including XSan and a printer, it's $22,734.90.
19:22:27 <sbp> hehe
19:23:06 <Arnia> Mmm
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19:23:46 <sbp> dirty weekend
19:24:00 <sbp> rebooting
19:25:25 <Arnia> Right. Ishigld
19:25:43 <Arnia> Uh. I should socialise
19:25:58 <Arnia> Bye for now!
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19:30:36 <sbp> okay, here we go
19:30:48 <sbp> ooh, gullemots
19:30:52 <sbp> er, guillemots
19:31:29 <sbp> hmm, new Loading bar
19:31:38 <sbp> style looks a little different; darker?
19:32:08 <sbp> ugh, still no favicons in the tab bar
19:32:10 <sbp> stupid Apple
19:32:36 * sbp tests his sarc script
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19:32:57 <sbp> yep, works
19:33:36 <tav> safari 4 ?
19:33:37 <phenny> tav: 07 Jun 21:25Z <nsh> ask tav to be please approving of me on esplist. also note that i have reneged on my vow of non-productivity and am thusly considering participation in projects of sufficient leetness
19:35:38 <sbp> tav: yeah
19:35:43 <sbp> well, my archive script
19:35:47 <sbp> .g site:inamidst.com sarc
19:35:49 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/code/sarc.py
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19:39:51 <[bjoern]> is it over already?
19:41:20 <tav> aye
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19:46:53 <nsh> sarc is WHUTPLS
19:46:54 <phenny> nsh: 17:17Z <jessica> tell nsh it's jpallan, nothing interesting or quirky.
19:47:25 <nsh> phenny, tell jessica : aye, found it via someone else. thanks though
19:47:26 <phenny> nsh: I'll pass that on when jessica is around.
19:57:15 <sbp> nsh: archives Safari browser history in a simple format
19:57:32 <nsh> cool
19:57:53 <nsh> are any umpaloompas exploited in this archiving process?
19:59:04 <sbp> I'm unable to answer that question due to legal reasons
20:00:08 <[bjoern]> If someone else had said that I might have replied, He has a lawyer up his arse.
20:00:21 <[bjoern]> Instead I shall dig for pix of the week
20:00:31 <sbp> excellent outcome
20:01:41 <jessica> I'm here.
20:01:42 <phenny> jessica: 19:47Z <nsh> tell jessica : aye, found it via someone else. thanks though
20:01:43 <jessica> fwiw.
20:02:01 <sbp> http://s.wsj.net/media/0608pod07.jpg
20:04:09 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7592/12443863903610/53685744_23922216_slide.jpg (trust me, actual sign, not shopped)
20:04:29 <[bjoern]> I see the ambiguity in the parenthetical now.
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20:05:20 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7592/12443863904540/53685753_23923530_slide.jpg (one of the last wwi veterans, 113. birthday)
20:05:43 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7592/12443863904850/53685756_23912217_slide.jpg I wonder what it's grabbing
20:06:09 <[bjoern]> much pixfail
20:07:12 <sbp> I can instantly beat all of those
20:07:15 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01414/daniel-craig-lolly_1414053i.jpg
20:07:49 <[bjoern]> I was about to http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6403/12365248732170/53040363_22741213_slide.jpg but only to distract you from doing that.
20:08:16 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01414/cat-fashion_1414109i.jpg
20:08:24 <sbp> yeah, you should have done
20:08:50 <sbp> “Nikki Douthwaite with her picture of Simon Cowell which is made out of lots of bits of paper from a hole punch. Nikki spent 12 weeeks putting together the 190,000 dots for the picture, which is now hanging in Franks restaurant in Altrincham, Cheshire”
20:08:54 <sbp> not sending the picture of that one
20:09:07 <[bjoern]> not her sister http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6404/12365248747700/53040469_22696764_slide.jpg
20:09:20 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01419/nba-cheerleaders_1419042i.jpg
20:09:56 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6404/12365248753320/53040530_22682375_slide.jpg
20:10:00 <sbp> these, on the other hand, may be sisters: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01419/fashion-rio_1419003i.jpg
20:10:38 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6404/12365248754110/53040535_22681792_slide.jpg
20:11:03 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01414/little-horse_1414911i.jpg
20:11:18 <[bjoern]> good move
20:11:26 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01414/jerboa_1414991i.jpg
20:11:45 <[bjoern]> the other half of that pix is http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6271/12359061739910/52990398_22639516_slide.jpg
20:12:32 <sbp> hehe. someone shop 'em together@
20:12:35 <sbp> @!!!@!
20:12:49 <[bjoern]> post24chan
20:12:50 <sbp> tiny, tiny babies: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01414/baby-dolls_1414925i.jpg
20:12:57 <sbp> .o post24chan
20:12:58 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no such service. See http://code.google.com/p/phenny-ws/wiki/ServiceDefinitions
20:13:16 <sbp> “Sydney sex workers celebrate International Whores Day in Sydney. Sex workers angry at the cost of advertising in local papers staged a protest outside the New South Wales parliament...”
20:13:31 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6272/12359061763160/52990464_22551574_slide.jpg
20:13:39 <sbp> there are two photos of this
20:13:42 <sbp> this is the best of the two:
20:13:43 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01414/whore-power_1414968i.jpg
20:14:01 <[bjoern]> i like the slogan, rest not
20:14:21 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01414/beefeaters_1414995i.jpg
20:14:39 <[bjoern]> i saw one like that already
20:14:42 <sbp> why is Merkel in like every photostream ever?
20:14:44 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01414/angela-merkel-beer_1414981i.jpg
20:15:36 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01415/inventor-eyedrops_1415885i.jpg - ‘Kenji Kawakami, inventor and founder of the International Chindogu Society demonstrates his funnel glasses, designed to guide eyedrops into the eye, in Tokyo. The word "Chindogu" translates as "weird tools" and Kawakami has invented hundreds of absurd items...’
20:16:20 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6138/12346929989600/52841607_22403548_slide.jpg (this was back on feb 14)
20:16:48 <[bjoern]> oh I missed the news apparently http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6138/12346929991090/52841611_22395259_slide.jpg
20:17:04 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01415/prostitute-peru_1415900i.jpg - “A prostitute blows a whistle during a protest commemorating the International Day of Sex Workers in Lima” (?!)
20:17:38 <sbp> hmm. the >> tab thing in Safari HASABUGS
20:17:40 <[bjoern]> What have I done to you
20:18:17 <[bjoern]> In the category "ur doin it wong" I offer http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6139/12346930014760/52841653_22361458_slide.jpg
20:18:27 <sbp> oh, I saw this in the paper:
20:18:28 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01416/leopard-mouse_1416839i.jpg
20:18:44 <sbp> doin it wrong: bwahaha. yeah, the butts should go first
20:18:55 <[bjoern]> saw what, another boy-meets-girl fable?
20:18:58 <sbp> the leopard just tried to nuzzle the rodent out of the way
20:19:09 <sbp> and the rodent just kept stealing the leopard's meal
20:19:38 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6139/12346930016890/52841667_22356116_slide.jpg
20:19:47 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01416/crow-eagle_1416847i.jpg - crow hitches a ride on what the capture says is a vulture and the URI says is an eagle (you decide!)
20:19:56 <sbp> HEADZ
20:20:59 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/6139/12346930040560/52841706_22335756_slide.jpg
20:21:01 <sbp> doin it right: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01416/philippines-bamboo_1416846i.jpg
20:21:53 <[bjoern]> children in manila http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5473/12341057535950/52789856_22315988_slide.jpg
20:22:25 <[bjoern]> the obligatory http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5473/12341057539960/52789891_22303627_slide.jpg
20:23:39 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5475/12341057564350/52789981_22252495_slide.jpg
20:24:29 <[bjoern]> freed hostage http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5477/12341057576140/52790010_22238336_slide.jpg
20:24:37 <[bjoern]> (srsly)
20:24:45 <sbp> woah, your Merkelpix is the scariest yet!
20:25:15 <[bjoern]> of those you haven't erased from your mind anyway.
20:25:44 <sbp> good point. wait, what?
20:25:45 <sbp> “Small pieces of the Berlin wall can be seen in the base of the Ronald Reagan statue after an unveiling ceremony in the Rotunda of the Capitol in Washington”?
20:26:24 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01416/pensions-naked_1416788i.jpg - as you can tell by the URI...
20:26:51 <sbp> oh this is brilliant:
20:26:52 <sbp> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/picturesoftheday/5451779/Pictures-of-the-day-5-June-2009.html?image=1
20:26:59 <sbp> pasted page because you need the whole huge caption
20:28:04 <sbp> EOPIX
20:28:07 <sbp> gotta run
20:28:09 <sbp> 'night!
20:28:14 <[bjoern]> Now you understand why the americans joined the war.
20:28:26 <sbp> heh, heh
20:28:38 <sbp> yeah, they like pointless destruction by crazy devices
20:28:48 <[bjoern]> Actually
20:28:55 <[bjoern]> I meant, to loot some real technology.
20:29:05 <sbp> also, u not to distract me with funny things when I'm supposed to be gone
20:29:15 <[bjoern]> begone already then
20:29:23 <sbp> KTHXNACHT
20:29:51 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5791/12334867172080/52731556_22186487_slide.jpg
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20:30:21 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5791/12334867176700/52731559_22188169_slide.jpg
20:31:02 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5791/12334867217930/52731584_22168207_slide.jpg
20:31:17 <[bjoern]> good pix http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5791/12334867219570/52731585_22160075_slide.jpg
20:33:17 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5488/12316818286950/52577032_21936069_slide.jpg (he's from Iran)
20:33:43 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5488/12316818288410/52577041_21928561_slide.jpg I once could do that too
20:34:37 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5488/12316818298170/52577091_21901965_slide.jpg (it worked in the movie!)
20:35:12 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5488/12316818303470/52577122_21897209_slide.jpg
20:35:18 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/5488/12316818303920/52577125_21895363_slide.jpg
20:36:00 <[bjoern]> loggy, pointer?
20:36:00 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-06-08#T20-36-00
20:36:11 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://swhack.com/logs/2009-06-08#T20-36-00 - ur turn
20:36:11 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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21:02:41 <deltab> sbp: HIGMNFY
21:02:54 <[bjoern]> he's in bed
21:03:04 <deltab> ah
21:03:30 <deltab> well it's several days old anyway
21:49:26 <[bjoern]> .wik Hill-climbing
21:49:27 <phenny> "In computer science, hill climbing is a mathematical optimization technique which belongs to the family of local search." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill-climbing
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22:39:18 <[bjoern]> I have a string [ 0 .. n - 1 ]; how long is the substring [ (n - m + i) .. n - 1 ]?
22:41:13 * [bjoern] thinks n - (n - m + i) = m - i but that would make sense
22:41:30 <[bjoern]> wheras my assignment does not
22:42:49 <bancus> It should equal -m -i, I'd expect.
22:42:55 <bancus> er
22:42:57 <bancus> -m - i
22:43:05 <bancus> or, -(m + i)
22:43:21 <bancus> Same deal, I think.
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22:44:24 <[bjoern]> but if m and i are non-negative and one of them non-zero, you'd have a negative length
22:44:33 <[bjoern]> (if your solution is correct)
22:45:07 <bancus> This is true.
22:45:14 <bancus> n - (n - m + i)
22:45:23 <bancus> You're only doing one addition there.
22:45:32 <bancus> It's almost certainly going to be negative.
22:45:47 <bancus> n - n cancels itself out, becomes 0
22:45:52 <bancus> so you have 0 - m + i
22:46:20 <[bjoern]> n - (n - m + i) = n - n + m - i = 0 - m + i = m - i
22:47:09 <[bjoern]> that's positive so long as m >= i
22:47:10 <bancus> n - n + m - i = 0 - m + i
22:47:14 <bancus> I don't follow that step.
22:47:30 <bancus> How is the - between m and i turned into a +?
22:47:36 <[bjoern]> That's because there is a typo
22:47:38 <bancus> Heh.
22:47:58 <[bjoern]> n - (n - m + i) = n - n + m - i = 0 + m - i = m - i
22:48:13 <deltab> I concur: n − (n − m + i) = n − n + m − i = m − i
22:48:25 <bancus> Okay, that checks.
22:48:40 <[bjoern]> So the question is is n - (n - m + i) the length?
22:48:48 * bancus was doing the paren thing wrong.
22:49:16 <bancus> Try it out on a string.
22:49:17 * [bjoern] usually rewrites a - b = a + -1*b
22:50:08 <deltab> top news headline: Gordon Brown still Prime Minister
22:50:13 <[bjoern]> hehe
23:10:32 <[bjoern]> .o whois stal.kr
23:10:35 <phenny> The stal.kr domain is registered.
23:14:34 <[bjoern]> phenny, "읽기 권한이 없습니다."?
23:14:35 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Do not have permission to read." (ko to en, translate.google.com)
23:14:50 <[bjoern]> phenny, "로그인 하시겠습니까?"?
23:14:51 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Would you like to login?" (ko to en, translate.google.com)
23:15:54 <[bjoern]> phenny, "[로그인 회원가입] "?
23:15:55 <phenny> [bjoern]: "[Log in Sign Up]" (ko to en, translate.google.com)
23:17:00 <[bjoern]> phenny, "공개"?
23:17:01 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Release" (ko to en, translate.google.com)
23:17:22 <[bjoern]> phenny, "개인정보 공개 정보 공개"?
23:17:23 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Personal Information Disclosure Information Disclosure" (ko to en, translate.google.com)
23:17:40 <[bjoern]> phenny, "생년이 잘못입력되었습니다."?
23:17:40 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Birth year has been entered incorrectly." (ko to en, translate.google.com)
23:18:07 <[bjoern]> phenny, "회원가입이 정상적으로 처리 되었습니다"?
23:18:08 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Membership has been processed normally" (ko to en, translate.google.com)
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23:21:15 <danja> shite fucking battery ran out in three hours on suspend
23:21:40 <danja> new laptop, bugger
23:22:15 <danja> sony FAIL
23:27:22 <nsh> you must have typed "asus" into amazon incorrectly, danny
23:27:32 <nsh> also, reply to my tweets dammit
23:28:10 * nsh is also a little disappointed with this cect ka08 phone he finally got today
23:28:25 <nsh> seems to be no way of updating or editing the software
23:28:29 <nsh> short of being a firmware hacker
23:31:13 <deltab> oh wow, Horne and Corden is on, and it is really is as awful as people say
23:32:21 <nsh> .wik Horne and Corden
23:32:22 <phenny> "Horne & Corden is a British sketch show written by, and starring, Mathew Horne and James Corden (of Gavin and Stacey fame) and aired on BBC television." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horne_&_Corden
23:32:45 <nsh> informative
23:32:54 <nsh> .o wa horne corden
23:32:57 <phenny> Couldn't handle your query. Suggestions: Names: horne
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