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02:23:00 <[bjoern]> .gcs "penis in my pants" "penis in your pants"
02:23:01 <phenny> "penis in your pants" (232), "penis in my pants" (186)
02:24:51 <[bjoern]> .gc "let your fingers do the walking"
02:24:52 <phenny> "let your fingers do the walking": 14,600
02:25:47 <clsn> .gc "let your walkers do the finging"
02:25:47 <phenny> "let your walkers do the finging": 0
02:25:55 <clsn> .gs let your walkers do the *
02:25:56 <phenny> let your walkers do the *: carrying)
02:26:01 <[bjoern]> .gs because I * you
02:26:02 <phenny> because I * you: love (32), told (8), miss (8), want (7), 'm loving (7), dreamed (6)
02:26:16 <[bjoern]> Above the sun, clsn.
02:27:03 <clsn> *huh*?
02:28:18 <[bjoern]> [Vala and Daniel exit the house to enter a village. Everyone is dressed similarly to them. There are small market stands, and men pulling wooden carts. It appears a fairly primitive society.]
02:28:18 <[bjoern]> VALA
02:28:18 <[bjoern]> Not quite what I imagined when I pictured a civilization of gate builders.
02:28:18 <[bjoern]> DANIEL
02:28:18 <[bjoern]> No. Something tells me this is not the same people who built a spaceship capable of traveling across the universe.
02:28:20 <[bjoern]> MALE VILLAGER
02:28:22 <[bjoern]> Above the sun! Harrid! Sallis!
02:28:24 <[bjoern]> [Daniel and Vala look up to see a young couple waving to them from a second story walkway.]
02:28:26 <[bjoern]> VALA
02:28:28 <[bjoern]> (to Daniel)
02:28:30 <[bjoern]> What?
02:28:32 <[bjoern]> DANIEL
02:28:34 <[bjoern]> Uh, I think that means good morning.
02:29:04 <[bjoern]> [Daniel cautiously smiles and nods. The couple nod back.]
02:29:04 <[bjoern]> DANIEL
02:29:04 <[bjoern]> (appearing as Harrid, waving)
02:29:04 <[bjoern]> Above the sun to you.
02:29:04 <[bjoern]> [Daniel and Vala adopt vacant fake smiles.]
02:29:04 <[bjoern]> VALA
02:29:06 <[bjoern]> (low to Daniel, still smiling)
02:29:08 <[bjoern]> "Above the sun?"
02:29:10 <[bjoern]> DANIEL
02:29:12 <[bjoern]> (low to Vala)
02:29:14 <[bjoern]> I think he's speaking Ancient. I think the communicator's translating for us.
02:29:16 <[bjoern]> VALA
02:29:18 <[bjoern]> I couldn't read the sign.
02:29:20 <[bjoern]> DANIEL
02:29:22 <[bjoern]> Maybe it only works for spoken language.
02:40:01 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8122457.stm ~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8125138.stm
02:40:01 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
02:41:44 <[bjoern]> "2121: It hurts to lose to Germany in any sport at any level, but my word they can probably scarcely believe how easily they have won in the end tonight. England have had more possession, but the Germans have been miles more ruthless."
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02:45:49 <[bjoern]> .gc "you are very perceptive" "no, you are just very obvious"
02:45:50 <phenny> "you are very perceptive" "no, you are just very obvious": 0
02:51:11 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp btw, right now we hold uefa 17 19 21 as the first nation ever to do so.
02:51:12 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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03:37:55 <[bjoern]> countdown
03:37:56 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 6, 7, 7, 3, 8. Your target is 525. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:38:14 <[bjoern]> .c (7+3)*(50+6)-8
03:38:14 <phenny> ((7 + 3) * (50 + 6)) - 8 = 552
03:38:26 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:38:28 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 62 milliseconds. I found all 62 solutions in about 125 milliseconds.
03:38:29 <Monty> ibot (3*8 + 50)*7 + 7
03:38:30 <phenny> (((3 * 8) + 50) * 7) + 7 = 525
03:38:33 <[bjoern]> countdown
03:38:33 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 8, 6, 7, 7, 6. Your target is 615. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:38:53 <[bjoern]> .c (6+6)*(50)+7+7
03:38:53 <phenny> ((6 + 6) * 50) + 7 + 7 = 614
03:39:03 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:39:05 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 0 milliseconds. I found all 24 solutions in about 63 milliseconds.
03:39:06 <Monty> ibot (6 + 6)*50 + 8 + 7
03:39:06 <phenny> ((6 + 6) * 50) + 8 + 7 = 615
03:39:06 <[bjoern]> Monty: all I can do on short notice
03:39:09 <Monty> yes, just under the lib that exceeds any chance?
03:39:18 <[bjoern]> Monty: indeed.
03:39:22 <Monty> Ulverstonian economical gemstones despises handsome rumbling payback!
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03:44:35 <[bjoern]> .gc "why z"?
03:44:36 <phenny> "why z"?: 5,070
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07:28:00 <Monty> it's tav_!
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09:06:41 <sbp> yo
09:06:41 <phenny> sbp: 29 Jun 23:06Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp Google dfntly experimenting with more left margin.
09:06:41 <Monty> http://s.wsj.net/media/0619pod14.jpg - which does now. weird :) But honestly, assuming your docid
09:06:43 <phenny> sbp: 02:40Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8122457.stm ~ http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8125138.stm
09:06:45 <phenny> sbp: 02:51Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp btw, right now we hold uefa 17 19 21 as the first nation ever to do so.
09:06:46 <phenny> sbp: 09:06Z <_ulises> tell sbp if you're into flamenco ping me
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09:10:40 <cre8radix> heya
09:10:40 <phenny> cre8radix: 24 Jun 01:10Z <[bjoern]> tell cre8radix http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/30/30586/1.html
09:10:42 <phenny> cre8radix: 24 Jun 18:48Z <[bjoern]> tell cre8radix http://www3.ndr.de/sendungen/extra_3/media/extradreiblogbildvorlage864_v-original.jpg
09:10:43 <phenny> cre8radix: 29 Jun 18:20Z <[bjoern]> tell cre8radix http://asset.soup.io/asset/0368/9121_f57c.jpeg
09:10:49 <cre8radix> w00
09:11:38 <_ulises> yo cre8radix
09:12:08 <cre8radix> yoyoyo
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10:56:05 <nsh> .o wa number of DVDs on earth
10:56:09 <phenny> Wolfrafail: no results and couldn't parse any suggestions.
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11:33:36 <sbp> yo
11:35:34 <nsh> yo mangs
11:35:45 <nsh> how's the blurbs?
11:36:46 <sbp> nsh!
11:36:56 <nsh> any kind of graphical sftp client you know of?
11:36:59 <sbp> hmm, nope
11:37:10 <sbp> I'm not sure I've ever used sftp
11:37:20 <sbp> actually, what OS?
11:37:26 <sbp> I think I remember there was a good one for Linux
11:38:42 <sbp> might have been this one:
11:38:43 <sbp> http://gftp.seul.org/screenshots.html
11:42:17 <_ulises> gftp I'd say
11:42:26 <_ulises> but that's ftp, perhaps it can do the sfpts
11:42:35 <sbp> yeah, I just pasted gftp... :-)
11:42:39 <_ulises> but even then, gnome can mount over ssh (uses scp under the hood)
11:42:48 <_ulises> I know, I just wanted to get the credit for your paste
11:42:51 <sbp> hehe
11:42:53 <sbp> STEAALER
11:42:54 <Monty> sin(pi) = 168
11:42:59 <sbp> Monty: no...
11:43:01 <Monty> back in teh site soure you be able to know?
11:43:18 <sbp> .g can gftp do sftp
11:43:19 <phenny> sbp: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Using_gFTP_with_ssh_sftp.html
11:43:39 <nsh> it's ok, using sshfs
11:44:12 <sbp> steps at the bottom for using sftp
11:46:52 <nsh> uses
11:46:54 <nsh> me
11:46:56 <sbp> ah
11:46:57 <nsh> .g giskismet
11:46:58 <phenny> nsh: http://www.giskismet.org/
11:47:16 <nsh> i collect the networks with kismet and a gpslogger
11:47:25 <nsh> then use giskismet to create the kml files
11:47:31 <nsh> .wik Kismet
11:47:32 <phenny> "Destiny, a predetermined course of events" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kismet
11:47:37 <nsh> .wik Kismet wireless
11:47:38 <phenny> "Kismet is a network detector, packet sniffer, and intrusion detection system for 802.11 wireless LANs." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kismet_(software)
11:48:16 <sbp> .wik ShmooCon
11:48:16 <phenny> "ShmooCon is an American hacker convention organized by The Shmoo Group." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShmooCon
11:48:25 <sbp> .wik The Shmoo Group
11:48:25 <phenny> "The Shmoo Group is an American organization founded by Bruce Potter in the late 1990s as a non-profit security think-tank." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shmoo_Group
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12:29:45 <[bjoern]> piratebay sold?!
12:37:48 <_ulises> wut
12:39:06 <nsh> wat
12:40:09 * nsh smells massive hoax
12:41:08 <[bjoern]> "On 30 June 2009 the site was bought by Swedish advertising company Global Gaming Factory X AB for 7.8 million USD." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piratebay
12:42:33 <nsh> i'd buy some shares in GFF if i had any money right now
12:42:38 <nsh> http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-sold-to-software-company-goes-legal-090630/
12:42:45 <nsh> "At the time of writing, shares in GGF are up 155% - this will quickly become outdated, so check here for latest stats.2
12:48:27 <_ulises> GGF?
12:55:28 <nsh> .wik Global Gaming Factory X
12:55:28 <phenny> "Global Gaming Factory X AB is an advertising company based in Sweden that relies on Internet cafes and gaming venues as its medium." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Gaming_Factory_X
12:58:09 <_ulises> ah, cool
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13:43:01 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus totally stole 2 iron from youi
13:43:01 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
13:43:24 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus for some reason, you never seem to be able to steal stone
13:43:24 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Morbus is around.
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13:44:21 <[bjoern]_> this new freenode webchat is full of fail
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13:50:48 <bjoern_> Monty, talk to me.
13:51:09 <bjoern_> hmm Montyfail?
13:53:47 <sbp> yeah, not long ago
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14:05:50 <bjoern_> .title http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/29/1733250/
14:05:51 <phenny> bjoern_: Slashdot Science Story | Artist Wins £20,000 Grant To Study Women's Butts
14:06:03 <bjoern_> slashdot increased fail level too
14:06:22 <sbp> unpossible
14:06:34 <bjoern_> (the url they use is http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/29/1733250/Artist-Wins-pound20000-Grant-To-Study-Womens-Butts?art_pos=9&art_pos=9 i truncated it...)
14:06:45 <bjoern_> OR ITS BECAUSE IM USING TEH LUNIX
14:06:53 <bjoern_> loggy: pointer?
14:06:53 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-06-30#T14-06-53
14:07:56 <sbp> the only fun thing in the logs is the word Shmoo
14:08:02 <sbp> and even that isn't particularly fun in context
14:08:17 <cre8radix> shmove
14:08:30 <cre8radix> shmooth
14:08:36 <cre8radix> shmock
14:08:52 <bjoern_> I'm not even sure why I'm still in my web server programming tutorial
14:08:54 <cre8radix> shmini-me
14:09:10 <sbp> well at least you're Swhacking
14:09:24 <bjoern_> I was also newscrawling
14:09:37 <bjoern_> pix frenzy perhaps not such a good idea
14:09:41 <sbp> hehe
14:09:53 <sbp> newscrawling might not be such a great idea either
14:09:58 <sbp> the news is hardly sterling
14:10:00 <bjoern_> failnews all around
14:10:15 <sbp> except for that 20p sold on ebay for £5000
14:10:33 <sbp> apparently there are thousands of them in circulation without a date
14:10:41 <sbp> so people are hunting for them and selling them off
14:10:47 <sbp> they're meant to be worth £50
14:10:50 <bjoern_> Perhaps copper prices are up again
14:10:53 <sbp> but this one sold for £5000
14:11:12 <sbp> hmm, maybe. they're not copper, but they have copper in them...
14:11:18 <sbp> Cupro-nickel
14:11:33 <bjoern_> .leo bein eingeschlafen
14:11:34 <phenny> bone = das Bein - Knochen (Bayern; Österr.; Schweiz) veraltet
14:11:35 <phenny> crural a. (anat.) = Bein...
14:11:36 <phenny> leg (anat.) = das Bein
14:11:37 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=bein%20eingeschlafen
14:11:45 <sbp> .w crural
14:11:45 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for crural.
14:12:32 <bjoern_> Leo suggests "Ooh, I've got pins and needles in my leg!"
14:13:21 <bjoern_> Firefox UI is le terrible, I don't get why people use it
14:13:34 <sbp> .title http://www.bgs.ac.uk/lexicon/home.html
14:13:36 <phenny> sbp: BGS Lexicon of Named Rock Units — lithostratigraphic & lithodemic terms
14:13:48 <sbp> Safari tab UI is even worse
14:13:57 <clsn> I've long wanted to put a $20 bill up for sale on eBay. Not a rare one, nothing special. I'd even spring for 42¢ postage. Just to see how high people would bid for it.
14:14:09 <sbp> DOIT
14:14:27 <clsn> Would people bid up to $19.99 ? Would they bid even higher?
14:14:40 <clsn> Starting bid would be 1¢ of course.
14:14:46 <_ulises> no reserve?
14:14:59 <sbp> another good one would be to have a Buy it now button
14:15:00 <clsn> No reserve. If it sells for a penny, so be it.
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14:15:07 <sbp> selling for $21 or $25 or something
14:15:15 <clsn> Hm, interesting.
14:15:18 <_ulises> heh, yeah
14:15:20 <bjoern_> Careful there are laws on what you can do with money.
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14:15:33 <bjoern_> I'll go home
14:15:41 <clsn> I'm pretty sure it's legal to SELL money that's YOURS, right?
14:15:46 <sbp> pick me up a sandwich on the way back?
14:15:53 <sbp> pretty sure, yeah
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14:16:00 <sbp> otherwise, too, coin collectors would be screwed
14:16:16 <sbp> proof editions of legal tender are still legal tender, etc.
14:16:25 <clsn> (if you can't sell money for things of value, what the hell good is it?)
14:17:26 <sbp> I like coins. coins are great
14:17:30 <sbp> it's a great word too
14:17:32 <sbp> coynz
14:17:38 <clsn> .ety coin
14:17:38 <phenny> "1304, from O.Fr. coigne 'a wedge, cornerstone,' from L. cuneus 'a wedge.' Die for stamping metal was wedge-shaped, and the word came to mean 'thing stamped, a piece of money' by c.1386." - http://etymonline.com/?term=coin
14:17:44 <sbp> ooh, coigne
14:17:57 <sbp> so, cognate with cuneiform
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14:18:43 <sbp> he will not get a sandwich
14:18:48 <clsn> dammit.
14:19:30 <sbp> at least he didn't gloat much about Germany beating England 4-0 last night
14:19:32 <sbp> that is sandwich enough
14:19:59 <clsn> It's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get after the game.
14:20:04 <sbp> true
14:20:16 <sbp> especially if it's a drinking game
14:20:57 * sbp tries using uDig again
14:21:25 <sbp> cf. http://www.bgs.ac.uk/data/services/geolwms.html
14:21:48 <clsn> uDig.com, your one-stop source for IT staffing?
14:21:59 <sbp> heh, nope
14:22:03 <sbp> .g udig wms
14:22:03 <phenny> sbp: http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display/DEV/net.refractions.udig.wms.ui
14:22:18 <sbp> um, yeah, that
14:22:21 <sbp> it has a homepage too of course
14:23:10 <clsn> Not gonna check it out right now; phone call in a few min.
14:24:09 <sbp> good call
14:24:18 <sbp> this is not the world's most user-friendly software
14:24:26 <sbp> basically it's a mapping client
14:24:32 <sbp> you feed it data, it draws maps for you
14:24:39 <sbp> allegedly
14:28:30 <_ulises> sbp!
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14:34:12 <sbp> yo _ulises
14:36:11 <_ulises> so, yeah, ended up buying the otranto book
14:36:17 <_ulises> just thought I'd let you know
14:37:05 <[bjoern]> .o wa metric weather magdeburg
14:37:08 <phenny> Wolfrafail: no results and couldn't parse any suggestions.
14:37:13 <[bjoern]> .o wa weather magdeburg
14:37:19 <phenny> weather->Magdeburg,Saxony-Anhalt,Germany;temperature->81 deg F (heat index: 82 deg F), relative humidity->51% (dew point: 61 deg F), wind speed->6.9 mph, (47 minutes ago);, -> -> , minimum: 55 deg F, Wed, Jun 24, 6:45 am->average: 67 deg F, ->maximum: 82 deg F, Mon, Jun 29, 5:45 pm, ..., -> -> ;, ->previous week: overcast: 9.8% (9 hours) -> cle
14:37:35 <[bjoern]> .c 81 F in C
14:37:36 <phenny> 81 degrees Fahrenheit = 27.2222222 degrees Celsius
14:37:37 <_ulises> .o wa swine flu death toll
14:37:39 <phenny> H1N1 (Influenza A)->deaths;279
14:37:55 <[bjoern]> .o wa weather mannheim
14:37:56 <_ulises> .o wa swine flu country with most deaths
14:38:01 <phenny> Couldn't handle your query. Suggestions: country with most deaths
14:38:06 <phenny> weather->Mannheim,Baden-Wurttemberg,Germany;temperature->82 deg F (heat index: 85 deg F), conditions->partly cloudy, relative humidity->55% (dew point: 64 deg F), wind speed->6 mph, (48 minutes ago);, -> -> , minimum: 59 deg F, Fri, Jun 26, 5:45 am, ...->average: 72 deg F, ->maximum: 86 deg F, Tue, Jun 30, 2:45 pm, -> -> ;, ->previous week: over
14:38:09 <_ulises> .o wa country with most deaths
14:38:12 <phenny> Couldn't handle your query. Suggestions: country with most
14:38:16 <_ulises> meh
14:39:58 <sbp> _ulises: ah, good!
14:40:09 <[bjoern]> .u
14:40:09 <phenny> U+0010 (No name found)
14:40:37 <_ulises> yeah, hopefully
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15:00:14 <[bjoern]> .gs * is a crazy moon language
15:00:14 <phenny> [bjoern]: language)
15:00:21 <[bjoern]> .gs * language is a crazy moon language
15:00:22 <phenny> [bjoern]: macro)
15:00:26 <[bjoern]> .gs * macro language is a crazy moon language
15:00:27 <phenny> [bjoern]: maptool)
15:00:36 <[bjoern]> .wik maptool
15:00:38 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "maptool".
15:05:35 <[bjoern]> .g wolfram alpha command reference
15:05:36 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/05/wolfram-alpha-getting-ready.html
15:06:07 <[bjoern]> .o wa commands
15:06:16 <phenny> commands (English word);accessibility->availability for use, code->(computer science) a line of code written as part of a computer program, dominance->the power or authority to command, military unit->a military unit or region under the control of a single officer, position->a position of highest authority, skillfulness->great skillfulness and kno
15:06:23 <[bjoern]> .o wa help?
15:06:24 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
15:25:44 <[bjoern]> hmm http://www.gimpshop.com/
15:26:49 <sbp> phenny!
15:26:49 <phenny> sbp!
15:31:17 <kpreid> Frivolous mathematical fact of the day:
15:31:30 <kpreid> .calc (1.2 + 1.2i)^3
15:31:42 <kpreid> eh?
15:32:07 <kpreid> well anyway, = -3.456 + 3.456i
15:34:30 <sbp> .c (1.2 + 1.2i) ** 3
15:34:31 <phenny> (1.2 + (1.2 * i)) ** 3 = -3.45600 + 3.45600 i
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15:34:40 <phenny> IOError: [Errno socket error] (110, 'Connection timed out') (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/httplib.py", line 683, in connect)
15:34:56 <sbp> we haven't used ".calc" in donkey's years
15:39:29 <kpreid> I thought there was a google calculator command as well as frink
15:39:46 <kpreid> and I found frink's input syntax unobvious the last time I tried to use it, so
15:47:49 <Talliesin> .calc max(angels on pinhead)
15:48:29 <sbp> kpreid: .c is Google Calculator
15:48:34 <phenny> IOError: [Errno socket error] (113, 'No route to host') (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/httplib.py", line 683, in connect)
15:48:36 <sbp> .calc was Frink, now removed
15:48:39 <kpreid> sbp: oh.
15:48:43 <sbp> or rather, now broken it seems
15:51:45 <phenny> IOError: [Errno socket error] (110, 'Connection timed out') (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/httplib.py", line 683, in connect)
15:54:27 <sbp> .cy morfa
15:54:29 <phenny> morfa, nm/f (morfeydd) coastal marsh (BBC)
15:54:31 <phenny> morfa moor n.m. (morfeydd) fen n.m. (morfeydd) marsh n.m. (morfeydd) salt-marsh n.m. (morfeydd) salting n.m. (morfeydd) (Geiriadur)
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16:15:49 <sbp> yo griff
16:15:58 <griff> howdy
16:30:19 <[bjoern]> .o wa (1.2 + 1.2i)^3
16:30:21 <phenny> (1.2 1.2 i)^3;-2.98598 i;2.98598;-pi/2 = -90deg ;2.98598 e^(1/2 i (-pi))
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16:33:39 <[bjoern]> So I am to calculate the ... perimeter ... of the ... loop, ribbon, sth like that ... of the ... parabolised ... sheet, leaf, sth like that, y = 1/3 * sqrt(x) * (3 - x)
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16:37:36 <sbp> your mind is already starting to ellipsis under the weight of the task
16:38:11 <[bjoern]> simply put i have no idea what any of that means
16:38:30 <sbp> a sheet or a leaf might be symbolic of a bed or a tree
16:38:44 <sbp> the loop might be indicative of Apple's corporate address
16:39:03 <sbp> a perimeter is probably a metre ruler that can go walkies
16:40:57 <[bjoern]> .gc "parabolisches blatt"
16:40:58 <phenny> "parabolisches blatt": 1
16:41:04 <[bjoern]> i get 11...
16:41:22 <[bjoern]> most of the results are book results, books on herbs from the 18xx
16:41:26 <sbp> same here. 11 and no left padding
16:41:39 <sbp> I think you made the left padding up
16:41:46 <[bjoern]> i got it three times now in two different browsers
16:41:54 <[bjoern]> not very reliably, but it happens
16:42:43 <[bjoern]> http://www.mathcurve.com/courbes2d/foliumparabolic/foliumparabolic.shtml is remotely useful
16:43:12 <[bjoern]> but 1/3 * sqrt(x) * (3 - x) does not look like that at all
16:44:38 <[bjoern]> ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folium
16:44:57 <[bjoern]> hmm hmm
16:45:53 <sbp> “The curve was featured, along with a portrait of Descartes, on an Albanian stamp in 1966.”
16:47:26 <[bjoern]> ~ http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x%5E3+%2B+y%5E3+-+3xy+%3D+0
16:50:13 <sbp> 492 846
16:50:39 <sbp> 337 314
16:50:45 <sbp> that's how fucked up this shit is
16:50:56 <sbp> .c 337 / 492
16:50:56 <phenny> 337 / 492 = 0.68495935
16:51:00 <sbp> .c 314 / 846
16:51:00 <phenny> 314 / 846 = 0.371158392
16:51:15 <sbp> er wait, I wanted the inverses
16:51:19 <sbp> .c 492 / 337
16:51:19 <phenny> 492 / 337 = 1.45994065
16:51:23 <sbp> .c 846 / 314
16:51:24 <phenny> 846 / 314 = 2.69426752
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16:58:38 <[bjoern]> .ety parabol
16:58:38 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "parabol". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=parabol
16:58:44 <[bjoern]> .ety parabola
16:58:45 <phenny> "1579, from Gk. parabole 'parabola, application' (see parable), so called by Apollonius of Perga c.210 B.C.E. because it is produced by 'application' of a given area to a given straight line. It had a different sense in Pythagorean geometry." - http://etymonline.com/?term=parabola
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17:05:25 <[bjoern]> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cartesian+folium
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17:07:57 <[bjoern]> ~ http://www56.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=x%5E3+%3D+1%2A%28x%5E2+-+y%5E2%29
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17:41:06 <clsn> .ety parable
17:41:07 <phenny> "c.1325, 'saying or story in which something is expressed in terms of something else,' from O.Fr. parable, from L. parabola 'comparison,' from Gk. parabole 'a comparison, parable,' lit. 'a throwing beside,' from para- 'alongside' + bole 'a throwing, casting,' related to [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=parable
17:49:40 <sbp> [bjoern]: that looks like a glitch to me
17:49:47 <sbp> because I don't think they'd also pad the Web bar
17:50:57 <[bjoern]> You mean you think they would
17:56:17 <sbp> only if they had good, hard, misleading research
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17:56:43 <[bjoern]> sivy: Welcome to your new home on the internets.
17:56:53 <sivy> oh, just a visit to an ol home
17:57:05 <[bjoern]> No, you are lying.
17:57:13 <sivy> sbp knows me from way back. (2001?)
17:57:50 * sivy waves to sbp, thelsdj, phenny
17:57:55 <[bjoern]> If you think sbp has working memory, you've obviously never been here.
17:58:01 <sbp> woah, sivy!
17:58:01 <[bjoern]> nice try though.
17:58:03 <sbp> hello!
17:58:10 <sbp> [bjoern]: I had to use Google
17:58:15 <sbp> but then Google told secrets
17:58:24 <sbp> and it's like WAOH, IT;'s MONACO ROSSO
17:58:29 <sivy> if i were, say to /nick redmonk
17:58:32 <sbp> yeah
17:58:48 <sbp> and then sivy makes sense
17:58:50 <[bjoern]> Then you would be impersonating redmonk.
17:58:55 <sbp> you just have to put the hyphen in the right place
17:58:57 <sbp> welcome back, dude
17:58:59 <sivy> hanging out on freenode for work purposes, so using "real" name
17:59:21 <sbp> so, how do we know you're the real sivy?
17:59:59 * sivy fires a rocket in sbp's general direction.
18:00:06 <sbp> *SPLUTCH*
18:00:10 <sivy> w00t!
18:00:13 <sbp> hehe
18:00:19 <sivy> that good enough for you?
18:00:23 <sbp> yeah!
18:00:33 <sbp> you would've believe how many people have been here since you left
18:00:42 <sbp> but no problem, because I banned most of them
18:00:48 <sbp> so Swhack still works
18:01:08 <sivy> yeah, you've got quite the crowd in there
18:01:29 <sbp> this is quite small, we were up to like 80ish
18:01:31 <[bjoern]> The redmonk I remember knew all about the perimeters of loops in parabolic folii
18:01:32 <sivy> oh, just noticed les (waves at lmorchard)
18:01:36 <sbp> ayup
18:01:44 <sbp> lmo doesn't say much these days
18:01:44 <sivy> [bjoern]: now you lie.
18:01:47 <sbp> Morbus is still about though
18:01:49 <lmorchard> ...
18:01:53 <sbp> yo lmo
18:02:12 <sbp> see, not much
18:02:24 <sivy> i guess aaronsw went and got all famous and despondent
18:02:25 <lmorchard> Heh, heh. HI there
18:02:46 <sbp> yup, AaronSw is playing it up in his beach house on Malibu
18:03:06 <sivy> tav_!
18:03:15 <sbp> oh yeah, tav_ is still around
18:03:20 <sbp> somewhat sporadically. you know what he's like
18:03:28 <sivy> indeed.
18:03:36 <sbp> and deltab. deltab's still here!
18:03:38 <sivy> are you still the perpetual student, sbp ?
18:03:40 <[bjoern]> I heard he hooked up with malibu stacy.
18:03:45 * sivy smacks deltab
18:03:49 <sbp> yeah, still doing academic stuffs
18:04:46 <sbp> sivy: did you ever meet d8uv?
18:04:50 <sbp> or did d8uv come in after you?
18:05:02 <sivy> yeah, i "met" d8
18:05:06 <sbp> heh, heh
18:05:07 <sivy> d8uv
18:05:15 <sbp> he disappeared for a bit about a year or two ago
18:05:19 <sbp> came back in some days ago
18:05:29 <sivy> nice
18:05:30 <sbp> but he's all "irc is fail" these days
18:05:44 <[bjoern]> .o twitter swhack
18:05:46 <phenny> <@swhack> nslater: yes, yes it does (http://twitter.com/swhack/statuses/856227581)
18:06:19 * lmorchard is all busy upgrading the web today
18:06:28 <sivy> can we post to twitter?
18:06:30 <sbp> converting everything to HTML 6?
18:06:32 <sivy> that's nifty
18:06:52 <lmorchard> gopher is where it's at
18:07:09 <sbp> Hixie's Tremendous Markup Language
18:07:27 <[bjoern]> you musspelld terrifying.
18:07:34 <sbp> or Terrible
18:07:36 <sbp> or Tatty
18:07:58 <[bjoern]> nope, get your xover quotes straight.
18:08:14 <sbp> .gc "Hixie's Terrifying"
18:08:15 <phenny> "Hixie's Terrifying": 2
18:08:17 <sbp> .gc "Hixie's Terrifying" xover
18:08:18 <phenny> "Hixie's Terrifying" xover: 0
18:08:22 <sbp> .gc "Hixie's Terrifying" Bless
18:08:23 <phenny> "Hixie's Terrifying" Bless: 0
18:08:30 <sbp> notanxoverquote
18:08:46 <sbp> sivy: oh yeah, xover is still here
18:09:03 <[bjoern]> ~ http://swhack.com/logs/2006-02-08#T16-15-40
18:09:06 <sbp> when he's not imbibing work-related caffeine
18:09:14 <[bjoern]> It's probably from #validator
18:09:23 <sbp> aha
18:09:39 <sbp> that was over three years ago?
18:09:40 <sbp> hmm
18:10:08 <[bjoern]> time and I largely ignore each other.
18:10:31 <[bjoern]> keeps me young and procrastinating
18:11:43 <sbp> 23:00:50 <jcowan> Well, there seem to be now three schools of thought on the meaning of the GPL: the Larry Rosen school, the FSF school, and the Mark Webbink school.
18:11:43 <sbp> 23:01:19 <nsh> the winner will be decided in open battle
18:12:12 <clsn> Is there a swhack twitter account? We should have one, that we can twit from here. I think. I've been staying away from twitter.
18:12:51 <sbp> there is a Swhack twitter account
18:12:54 <sbp> but we can't twit to it
18:13:02 <sbp> and I don't know if anybody knows the password
18:13:05 <[bjoern]> because then we would twit to it
18:13:07 <sbp> and I consider this a good thing
18:13:48 <[bjoern]> good attempt at reverse psychology
18:14:14 <sbp> that was no attempt at reverse psychology
18:14:21 <[bjoern]> This is though.
18:14:27 <clsn> So the existence of the account is sort of an interesting curiosity, but it can't be used for anything that actually affects the reality, right?
18:14:46 <[bjoern]> Well if you find out who's got the password
18:14:52 <[bjoern]> Or just find out the password
18:14:54 <sbp> sivy: oh, I wrote a guide: http://swhack.com/guide
18:15:00 <sbp> mostly that's to put people off though
18:15:11 <clsn> Sounds too much like work.
18:15:17 <sbp> the password could probably be worked out
18:15:21 <sbp> it's probably just swhack
18:15:51 <nsh> i'll write a twitter portal
18:15:59 <nsh> been itching to write a perl twitter bot
18:16:19 <nsh> although, maybe python so google can host it
18:16:20 <nsh> or wait
18:16:24 <[bjoern]> nsh is still opening the gates of hell each time he arrives here.
18:16:26 <nsh> did they add perl to google apps already
18:16:29 <sbp> eah
18:16:44 <[bjoern]> that's not a good password
18:17:03 <clsn> Rather like the swhack blog we used to have; that was always microblogging anyway.
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18:19:49 <nsh> mm
18:20:27 <nsh> .title http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/pyperl-1.0/perlmodule.pod
18:20:28 <phenny> nsh: perlmodule - Embed a Perl interpreter in Python - search.cpan.org
18:20:53 <sivy> nsh: that's just wrong.
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18:20:59 <sivy> and yet so right
18:30:02 <sbp> Morbus: look who's back!
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18:59:14 <sbp> aargh, word-wrap doesn't insert hyphens
18:59:19 <sbp> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/CSS/Word-wrap
18:59:31 <sbp> web design failometer is off the chart
19:00:13 <[bjoern]> you are looking for hyphenation.
19:00:37 <sivy> Monty!
19:00:38 <Monty> Looking
19:01:15 <sbp> “The definition of the hyphenation feature is very much up-in-the-air at the moment. The WG plans to discuss it at our next face-to-face meeting at the end of March.”
19:01:20 <sbp> great, sure that'll be productive
19:01:46 <[bjoern]> for more fail see the soft hyphen.
19:02:07 <sivy> tell 'em to grab the code out of wordperfect 3 or something. it's better than most browsers today
19:02:27 <clsn> geez, I wouldn't want a browser sticking hyphens in my text.
19:02:34 <clsn> I'd almost rather soft hyphen faildom.
19:05:23 <[bjoern]> "WordPerfect lacks support for Unicode" - wp
19:05:40 <sbp> WordImperfect
19:06:19 <[bjoern]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WordPerfectX3.png is hyphenationfail
19:06:50 <sbp> .gcs "local armadillo" "local armoured dildo"
19:06:51 <phenny> "local armadillo" (60), "local armoured dildo" (0)
19:07:36 <[bjoern]> Don't get all brucewilliseque late in the evening.
19:08:01 <sbp> .gc "armoured dildo"
19:08:02 <phenny> "armoured dildo": 5
19:08:11 <[bjoern]> .g "armoured dildo"
19:08:11 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Armadillo
19:08:18 <sbp> are you saying Bruce Willis is an armoured device for pleasing the ladies?
19:08:49 <sbp> [[[
19:08:50 <sbp> ↑ Our little animal should not be confused with the "Armoured Dildo", an agricultural tool used in Holland for clearing blocked dykes, and in Medieval Yorkshire for breaking down chastity belts, as shown in Dan David's monography "Innuendo In Europe Throughout The Ages" (Alchemist Publications, London).
19:08:51 <sbp> ]]]
19:09:02 <sbp> (“Medieval” is struck out)
19:09:46 <[bjoern]> I think both armadillos blew up alongside willis
19:10:12 <[bjoern]> "The movie is an assault on the eyes, the ears, the brain, common sense and the human desire to be entertained"
19:10:32 <[bjoern]> Not sure if that is criticism or compliment.
19:10:49 <jsled> Another Transformers review?
19:11:11 <[bjoern]> Perhaps a standard phrase for film reviewers.
19:11:29 <[bjoern]> In this case it was Armageddon though, and shame on you for not getting that.
19:11:48 <jsled> shame on me indeed
19:12:39 <sbp> NAMED AND SHAMED, ONLY ON SWHACK!
19:12:47 <sbp> where did thelsdj go
19:12:53 <sbp> calling thelsdj
19:12:57 <sbp> come in thelsdj
19:13:00 <[bjoern]> "An Armadillo using camouflage to ambush a truck."
19:13:13 <sbp> .gc camelflage
19:13:13 <phenny> camelflage: 993
19:13:30 <sbp> if your word isn't at 20,000, you get no prizes
19:14:31 <[bjoern]> mention it twitloads of times across all the lobotomy networks.
19:19:18 <[bjoern]> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Size_of_English_Wikipedia_broken_down.png
19:20:03 <sbp> the man is blue like libel
19:22:14 <[bjoern]> I never quite understood how this form of protest is supposed to work http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7523/12463717907410/53861750_24239762_slide.jpg
19:22:32 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7523/12463717908310/53861754_24240252_slide.jpg
19:22:56 <sbp> it demoralises their opponents into believing that not every girl is a D cup
19:23:12 <[bjoern]> http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7524/12463717911780/53861757_24236249_slide.jpg (Sandra Bullock)
19:23:28 <[bjoern]> his is perhaps http://www.derwesten.de/static/nachrichten/7524/12463717912280/53861760_24236534_slide.jpg
19:23:31 <sbp> so cute that she photographs herself
19:23:45 <sbp> yeah
19:24:06 <sbp> poor condom couple
19:24:12 <sbp> they's never gon have no kids
19:24:26 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0370/2236_6ce0_480.gif
19:25:22 <sbp> I'd like to know what the exceptions are in the orange blocks
19:25:25 <clsn> That's a handy chart.
19:25:40 <sbp> clsn, perhaps you can answer some of the Judaism ones!
19:25:46 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0370/2239_682a.jpeg
19:25:46 <sbp> you're a man who knows things
19:26:06 <sbp> Teen Sex, Abortion, Teh Gay: when not condemned by Judaism?
19:26:08 <clsn> I am a thing-knower, yes.
19:26:49 <sbp> [bjoern]: hmm, that should go on the puking rainbows site
19:27:13 <clsn> Hmm... Well, halachically, a woman is an adult at physical maturity, or 12-1/2 years, or something. So teen sex with anyone older than that would be the same as adult sex.
19:27:19 <clsn> And a man at 13 years.
19:27:41 <clsn> (though I've heard it is also supposed to go by physical maturity, within limits... something like that_
19:27:42 <clsn> )
19:27:53 <[bjoern]> .gc "thing knowing skills"
19:27:54 <phenny> "thing knowing skills": 1
19:28:38 <[bjoern]> I wonder if http://asset.soup.io/asset/0370/1822_8726_480.jpeg is real or fake
19:28:51 <clsn> Abortion... nowhere near so clear in Judaism as in RC. A fetus is definitely not a person, so even if it's forbidden, it is definitely not murder.
19:29:14 <clsn> If the fetus is endangering the life of the mother, absolutely permitted/required.
19:29:46 <[bjoern]> (It says they tested seven home computers and failed to find a use for it, headline is disappointment is pre-programmed, which is kinda punny in german.)
19:30:12 <sbp> I thought it said Helmcomputer at the top
19:30:24 <sbp> why not Heimkomputer?
19:30:49 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0370/2052_377d.jpeg
19:31:05 <[bjoern]> Pass your inquiry on to someone else.
19:31:18 <sbp> cre8rad... bah, not here
19:31:21 <sbp> clsn: and teh gay?
19:31:46 <clsn> Teh Gay... well, according to Jewish law and all, it *is* condemned, and I can't think of any exceptions. Otoh, there is certainly room for... compassion. There was a rabbi who spoke at my synagogue last year who apparently is a major figure in Orthodox Jews and gays...
19:32:19 <sbp> clsn: also from the land of stupid questions that I ought to know
19:32:29 <sbp> clsn: when did Judaic polygamy disappear? and why?
19:32:34 <[bjoern]> hmm http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1170348/ good idea if you want to ruin the life of your child
19:32:42 <clsn> He was definitely in favor of homosexuals forming stable monogamous relationships with each other, and didn't believe anything about people being "cured" of gayness, etc.
19:33:13 <clsn> He was quite sensitive I thought, maybe jarred a few people (in a good way).
19:33:23 <sbp> I mean, some of the tribes of Israel are descended from the ex-slave girl wives of one of a patriarch's two original wives. that's pretty polygamistic, right there, isn't it?
19:33:40 <sbp> but not no more?
19:33:51 <clsn> (oright, yesterday I saw something about a pastor who exorcised the gay spirit out of some kid, so he isn't gay anymore. Colbert apparently loved it)
19:33:54 <clsn> Hmm, I wonder:
19:34:00 <clsn> .wik Ban of Rabbenu Gershom
19:34:01 <[bjoern]> wait, what, slave girls? pix or it didn't happen
19:34:02 <phenny> "Heter meah rabbanim (Hebrew: היתר מאה רבנים, 'permission by one hundred rabbis') is a term in Jewish law which means that one hundred Rabbis agree with a Rabbinical court that a particular situation warrants an exemption to permit a man to remarry even [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heter_meah_rabbanim
19:34:11 <sbp> there are probably many paintings
19:34:31 <[bjoern]> hmm http://asset.soup.io/asset/0370/1530_17a5.jpeg
19:34:52 <clsn> There was a ban on polygamy issued some hundreds of years ago I think, but polygamy had already fallen out of favor long before that.
19:35:11 <nsh> but was it a cultural change, rather than being religiously ordained?
19:35:20 <nsh> and what predicated it?
19:35:22 <nsh> (i wonder)
19:35:23 <[bjoern]> .o youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ijDlbvAxw
19:35:24 <phenny> http://inamidst.com/stuff/youtube/v4ijDlbvAxw - Star Wars Vs. Star Trek - DMP Edition HQ (5:37, 738,603 views, 4.8860087/3,395)
19:36:12 <[bjoern]> done well so far
19:36:31 <clsn> Seems to have been, I think. Even in Biblical times, though you hear polygamy all throughout, it seems to have been the exception. Certainly by the time of the Talmud although they definitely considered its legal ramifications, it wasn't being done anymore.
19:36:57 <clsn> (there's a tractate all about Levirite marriages that deals with some really funky family trees)
19:37:12 <clsn> .wik levirite
19:37:14 <phenny> "In the Biblical Book of Genesis, Er (Hebrew: עֵר, Modern ʿEr Tiberian ʿĒr ; City (?)) was the eldest son of Judah, and is described as marrying Tamar;[1]| according to the text, Yahweh killed Er because he was wicked, although it doesn't give any further details." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Er_(biblical_figure)
19:37:19 <sbp> I thought I saw a painting on Wikipedia quite recently of Jacob and one of the ex-slave wives. (actually, I'm only presuming they stopped becoming slaves. is that right?)
19:37:21 <nsh> sounds like something interesting to do some data-mining on
19:37:24 <sbp> but I can't find it
19:37:36 <nsh> i wonder if there are any religious-text semantification projects..
19:37:46 <clsn> sbp: the Jewish/rabbinic position is that they stopped being slaves and were full *wives* of Jacob and not concubines.
19:37:52 <sbp> thanks
19:38:03 <[bjoern]> yes, dfntly recommended
19:38:10 <clsn> The text is not definite about it.
19:38:33 <clsn> (though they are referred to as "wives" at least once. but maybe also as concubines somewhere)
19:39:47 <nsh> are there ramifications, for instance, for inheritance law, between wife and concubine status?
19:39:52 <nsh> i'd guess as much
19:40:32 <clsn> There probably are/were, but I don't recall seeing anything about it in the Mishna. I get the feeling that the concept of "concubine" was discouraged or abolished even earlier than polygamy.
19:41:26 <nsh> interesting
19:41:55 <nsh> no hits for "semantic talmud"
19:42:01 <nsh> shall we start a project, clsn?
19:42:17 <clsn> I don't remember reading any laws regarding concubines in the Talmud (and believe me, even if they no longer had them, they would have had the laws). But there is definitely a concubine mentioned in the book of Judges or something.
19:42:29 <nsh> i imagine there would be crowd-source fodder aplenty
19:42:33 <clsn> Well, what would a semantic Talmud be?
19:43:05 <nsh> the talmud broken into atomic concepts with semantic relations therebetween
19:43:10 <nsh> implemented in RDF
19:43:10 <clsn> (shyeah, right, the crowd-source would be mostly crazies ranting about the horrible contents of the Talmud and how it advocates human sacrifice or something)
19:43:18 <nsh> like whatever-it's-called now
19:43:37 <sbp> actually now I think the painting was of Abraham and Hagar
19:43:38 <clsn> Heh... dude, you need to study a page or two of Talmud before you talk about "atomic concepts." :)
19:43:42 <nsh> nah, i reckon if you did it gmail-style invite-only and had the right seed usergroup
19:43:42 <sbp> but I still can't find it
19:44:09 <nsh> touché
19:44:31 <clsn> In some ways, I bet a lot of the work has been done for you. People have been making cross-references and indices into the Talmud for centuries.
19:44:32 <sbp> the Talmud *is* the semantic Talmud...
19:44:35 <clsn> .g page of talmud
19:44:36 <phenny> clsn: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/TalmudPage.html
19:44:37 <nsh> right
19:44:40 <clsn> You've seen that page right?
19:44:51 <nsh> with all the annotations?
19:44:53 <nsh> chex
19:44:54 <clsn> Yeh.
19:45:15 <clsn> Some of those are cross-refs to other parts of the talmud, or other sources, etc etc.
19:45:15 <nsh> yeah, is good
19:46:03 <nsh> so you could eventually, for instance, have a movie that evolves a concept (word) over a time-line
19:46:29 <[bjoern]> someone's cooking delicious delicious food
19:46:30 <nsh> so as you include more text, roughly-dated, you see how the understanding (as reflected in usage) developed, of that idea
19:46:38 <nsh> yum
19:46:57 <nsh> (perhaps not even roughly dated; i have no idea the accuracy of talmudic-dating)
19:47:57 <clsn> the talmud itself is a little tough to deal with in that sense; it will present opposing viewpoints and not necessarily mention whether or not the two proponents ever even overlapped in terms of lifetime.
19:48:09 <sbp> hmm, maybe I imagined this paintings
19:48:12 <sbp> er, painting
19:48:26 <clsn> It sounds like everyone was sitting around a table, but you have to realize it was a much more extended process in time and in space.
19:48:42 <nsh> but if you allow optional-layering of additional info from various commentaries...
19:48:50 <clsn> You almost have to...
19:48:56 <nsh> right
19:48:56 <[bjoern]> hmm http://asset.soup.io/asset/0370/0073_b7f0_480.jpeg
19:49:01 <[bjoern]> delicious delicious food
19:50:09 <sbp> ah! no! got it!
19:50:12 <sbp> [bjoern]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Abraham_recevant_Agar.jpg
19:50:16 <sbp> Abraham receiving Hagar
19:50:25 <sbp> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech-Lecha
19:50:32 <bancus> Receiving, eh?
19:51:26 <sbp> and apparently I got to that page from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Beer+Lahai+Roi&go=Go
19:51:56 <sbp> bancus: it's a French engraving
19:53:57 <sbp> [bjoern]: which of them would you eat first?
19:53:59 <bancus> sbp: Exactly.
19:54:03 <[bjoern]> stop sending porn, I'm craving for food and sleep already.
19:54:49 <sbp> so, we don't know exactly when or why Judaic polygamy disappeared?
19:55:04 <sbp> Wikipedia must be consulted
19:55:30 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/9928_3419.jpeg
19:56:59 <sbp> “Ashkenazi Jews have followed Rabbenu Gershom's ban since the 11th century.[24] Some Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews (particularly those from Yemen and Iran) discontinued polygamy much more recently, as they emigrated to countries where it was forbidden.” — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy#Judaism
19:57:38 <[bjoern]> hmm http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/8965_95a8_480.gif
19:58:04 <sbp> Karaite Jews apparently still allow it if conditions are met, but it's so impractical that they don't bother
19:58:41 <[bjoern]> spot the error http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/9049_f2d3_480.jpeg
20:00:19 <[bjoern]> this is kinda old http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/8824_b366_480.jpeg
20:00:50 <sbp> error... fork is going forward instead of backwards?
20:02:01 <sbp> saw a recent variation on the condom thing, I think
20:02:05 <sbp> I suspect many setups
20:02:07 <[bjoern]> Well she didn't come out of the bush
20:02:15 <[bjoern]> I was more thinking about the shoes initially
20:02:22 <[bjoern]> many indeed yeah
20:02:34 <sbp> can't see anything wrong with the shoes
20:02:46 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell cre8radix http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/8807_42b7.jpeg
20:02:46 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
20:02:57 <[bjoern]> They are not pedal friendly for one thing
20:03:06 <[bjoern]> Not if you cycle out in the woods anyway.
20:04:33 <[bjoern]> too unsubtle for shitrude.com http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/8643_4043.png
20:04:34 <sbp> “[Conjugal] communion is radically contradicted by polygamy; this, in fact, directly negates the plan of God which was revealed from the beginning” — http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
20:04:40 <sbp> no mention about the patriarchs there
20:05:02 <sbp> that's why I was calling thelsdj
20:05:02 <[bjoern]> hmm social media consultant
20:05:07 <sbp> we should find more shitrude.com pix
20:05:25 <sbp> I mean, especially since we're pixstreaming so much anyway
20:06:30 <[bjoern]> Don't look at me, I did about two of the current ones.
20:08:13 <sbp> I did two too I think
20:08:55 <clsn> Hmm, polygamy seems to have been quite accepted through the Bible; saying it is directly against God's plan from the start requires some explaining.
20:09:08 <sbp> clsn: yeah, rather curious!
20:10:33 <clsn> Abraham had Hagar and also a concubine Keturah (the rabbis say she is the same person as Hagar, but that is not plain from the text).
20:11:10 <sbp> clsn: what are the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, and Karaite groups by the way?
20:11:11 <clsn> Jacob had four wives. Saul's father had two...
20:11:34 <sbp> do they kinda correspond with Christian denominations?
20:11:50 <clsn> OK... Ashkenazic Jews, roughly speaking, are the Jews that spent the middle ages under Christian rule. European Jews, mostly. I'm Ashkenazic
20:11:57 <[bjoern]> Was Abraham able to please them past his 150th birthday?
20:11:58 <clsn> (not Saul's, Samson's)
20:12:34 <clsn> Sephardic Jews are those that went through the middle ages under Islamic rule. Essentially everyone else. African and middle-eastern.
20:13:21 <[bjoern]> http://i40.tinypic.com/2vsq51k.gif
20:13:21 <clsn> Mizrahi means "eastern"; I think specifically the eastern and middle-eastern branches of Sephardic Jewry, probably also the Yemenite community, which was sort of separate unto itself throughout all this.
20:13:40 <sbp> ah, so Ashkenazic and Sephardic are the two main branches?
20:13:56 <clsn> The Karaites.... That's a whole other thing. :)
20:14:05 <sbp> [bjoern]: should've puked a rainbow
20:14:37 <clsn> Basically, yeah. This is not like the orthodox/conservative/reform spectrum, that's much more recent (and mostly of Ashkenazic origin)
20:14:46 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/7697_b9c8_480.jpeg
20:15:34 <clsn> The Karaites do not accept the rabbinic tradition that Rabbanite Jews accept. The Talmud in particular they reject. Most Jews probably wouldn't even consider them Jews, but they would be wrong.
20:15:50 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/7661_83eb_480.jpeg
20:16:11 <clsn> Apparently Karaite and Rabbanite communities lived together for centuries, married each other, ransomed each other when the government would kidnap them, etc.
20:16:54 <clsn> Somewhere during the course of the middle ages when the Jews were being crapped upon, the Karaites managed to petition to be recognized as a separate people to avoid being crapped upon also, and somehow succeeded.
20:17:18 <sbp> wait, the Rabbanite?
20:17:20 <clsn> (this, apparently, also saved them in the Holocaust, I have heard. More power too 'em, whatever works)
20:17:22 <clsn> Sry.
20:17:34 <clsn> Rabbanite is a term that exists mostly in opposition to Karaite.
20:17:36 <sbp> the Rabbanites are Ashkenazic UNION Sephardic?
20:17:52 <clsn> "Normal" Judaism is Rabbanite, i.e. recognizing rabbinic authority.
20:18:03 <clsn> Yeah, pretty much.
20:18:36 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/7301_8b5b_480.jpeg
20:19:01 <clsn> Ashkenazim and Sephardim for the most part recognize each other and shrug at each other's curious customs, but the underlying law is basically the same.
20:19:19 <clsn> Karaites are in a different direction. There are comparatively few Karaites left, though.
20:19:37 <sbp> where do they tend to live?
20:19:41 <sbp> (the Karaites)
20:20:09 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/7178_4722_480.jpeg
20:20:16 <sbp> hehe
20:20:28 <sbp> it takes two stormtroopers to move a mighty mouse
20:20:37 <clsn> They're all over the place, so far as I know. There's a decent community of them in Israel, of course. WP probably could tell you better than I.
20:20:41 <clsn> .wik karaites
20:20:42 <phenny> "Karaite Judaism or Karaism (pronounced /ˈkærə.aɪt, ˈkærə.ɪzəm/; Hebrew: קָרָאִים, Modern Qaraʾim Tiberian Qārāʾîm ; meaning 'Followers of the Hebrew Scriptures, or Biblical Judaism'), is a Jewish movement characterized by the recognition of the [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaites
20:21:12 <sbp> “The movement crystallized in Baghdad, in present day Iraq.”
20:21:15 <[bjoern]> I will close with http://asset.soup.io/asset/0369/7015_d7b2_480.jpeg
20:21:27 <sbp> wonder how many Jews there are left in Baghdad...
20:21:40 <clsn> Baghdad/Iraq figures HUGELY in Jewish history, but nobody remembers it. There are very few.
20:21:46 <sbp> [bjoern]: the girl has some worms on a huge lollipop?
20:22:02 <clsn> The Babylonian Talmud was written in... Babylonia. Which is where? Iraq.
20:22:08 <sbp> ooh
20:22:13 <[bjoern]> hmm http://xregexp.com/
20:22:32 <[bjoern]> Not quite a Morgenstern.
20:22:52 <[bjoern]> I like .leo Morgenstern
20:23:01 <[bjoern]> Quite contextfitting.
20:23:09 <clsn> You have to remember that the Jews were driven out of most of the Arab countries in last century or two, something conveniently forgotten when comparing "refugees".
20:23:27 <clsn> But there used to be enormous communities in Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Egypt...
20:24:20 <sbp> .leo Morgenstern
20:24:21 <phenny> der Morgenstern - Venus = Lucifer (astr.) (poet.)
20:24:22 <phenny> der Morgenstern = morning star
20:24:22 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Morgenstern
20:24:31 <sbp> .ety stern
20:24:31 <phenny> "O.E. styrne 'severe, strict,' from P.Gmc. *sternijaz (cf. M.H.G. sterre, Ger. starr 'stiff,' störrig 'obstinate;' Goth. andstaurran 'to be stiff;' O.N. stara; O.E. starian 'to look or gaze upon'), from PIE base *ster-, *star- 'be rigid' (see sterile)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=stern
20:24:36 <clsn> Certainly in Syria; my friend lives in Brooklyn which is just soggy with Syrian Jews.
20:24:52 <sbp> “c.1300, "hind part of a ship, steering gear of a ship," probably from O.N. stjorn "a steering," related to styra "to guide" (see steer (v.)). Or the word may come from O.Fris. stiarne "rudder," which is also related to steer (v.).”
20:24:52 <clsn> .ety star
20:24:53 <phenny> "O.E. steorra, from P.Gmc. *sterron, *sternon (cf. O.S. sterro, O.N. stjarna, O.Fris. stera, Du. ster, O.H.G. sterro, Ger. Stern, Goth. stairno), from PIE *ster- (cf. Skt. star-, Hittite shittar, Gk. aster, astron, L. stella, Bret. sterenn, Welsh seren 'star')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=star
20:25:05 * bancus loves it when Christians name something Morningstar Whatever.
20:25:13 <sbp> hehe
20:25:20 <bancus> There was a Chrinstian apartment complex I saw once that was Morning Star Estates.
20:25:23 <[bjoern]> .leo Morgenland
20:25:24 <phenny> das Morgenland veraltet = Orient
20:25:25 <phenny> das Morgenland = orient
20:25:26 <phenny> das Morgenland (obs.) = the Orient
20:25:26 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Morgenland
20:25:31 <clsn> Morningstar Farms makes vegetarian meat substitute foodstuffs iirc...
20:25:39 <sbp> right, offs
20:25:42 <sbp> thanks for infoes, clsn
20:25:44 <sbp> 'night!
20:25:46 <clsn> night.
20:25:48 <[bjoern]> night
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20:35:52 <[bjoern]> .c cos (pi/2)
20:35:52 <phenny> cos(pi / 2) = 0
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21:28:59 <[bjoern]> .c cos(0)
21:29:00 <phenny> cos(0) = 1
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21:39:31 <[bjoern]> .c (1/2)/2
21:39:32 <phenny> (1 / 2) / 2 = 0.25
21:43:55 <laplink> «I AM A NON DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTION WITH A STUCK KEYBOARD. PRAY FOR IT TO BE FIXED!!»
21:44:26 <[bjoern]> doing it right now
21:45:57 <laplink> (random wikipedia gem, incidentally)
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21:48:42 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's jeanniecool!
21:49:08 <jeanniecool> Oh, I've missed you, too, Monty!!!!!!!!!111!!!!
21:49:09 <Monty> royal mail forwarding?
21:49:11 <jsled> Monty: so rude
21:49:13 <Monty> "url encode" "uri encode" (3,400)
21:49:19 <jeanniecool> Nah, but thanks, Monty.
21:49:22 <Monty> hi folks - Star Trek - http://etymonline.com/?term=stern
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22:21:16 <[bjoern]> yo jeanniecool
22:22:53 <[bjoern]> .gc as you make women less perpendicular they become more peculiar
22:22:54 <phenny> as you make women less perpendicular they become more peculiar: 6,080
22:22:56 <[bjoern]> .gc as you make women less perpendicular they become less peculiar
22:22:56 <phenny> as you make women less perpendicular they become less peculiar: 6,130
22:25:10 <jeanniecool> y0, bjoernski. 'Sup?
22:25:36 <[bjoern]> I hate fourier series, I think.
22:26:13 <jeanniecool> Okay.
22:26:38 <[bjoern]> A better reply would have been "Who doesn't?"
22:30:05 * jeanniecool hangs her head in shame
22:30:13 <jeanniecool> If I'd remembered what they were, I might've. :-)
22:30:35 <[bjoern]> Why would you need to know?
22:30:57 <[bjoern]> I would just have said, say, Good point. We should find out their names and pay them a "visit".
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22:32:09 <jeanniecool> can't type
22:32:13 <jeanniecool> PANICKING!!!
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22:37:35 <[bjoern]> "[Das Grundgesetz] untersagt die Übertragung der Kompetenz-Kompetenz." - Bundesverfassungsgericht
22:50:44 <sivy> hey sbp - phenny isn't working on my mac
22:51:07 <[bjoern]> try again in 10 hours.
22:53:16 <sivy> oh right.
22:53:18 <sivy> crap.
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