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02:21:56 <Monty> hi dmiles
02:30:00 <xjrn> [bjoern]: orwellion reference?
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02:41:29 <[bjoern]> The phrasing does seem double plus ungood, but not intentionally so.
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08:02:49 <Monty> hi nslater, how ya doing?
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08:40:00 <Monty> bah, it's libby again
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08:44:51 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's Talliesin!
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09:53:21 <sbp> aw, you can only downsize the asset images
09:53:25 <sbp> also, yo
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10:04:10 <heopj> hey
10:04:11 <heopj> he
10:04:29 <sbp> hello heopj
10:04:40 <sbp> what is... UP?
10:04:50 <heopj> what is hack ? :(
10:05:15 <sbp> hack is good!!
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10:45:50 <sr> +w 4
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11:37:51 <sbp> [[[
11:37:51 <sbp> Michael Schumacher is not ruling out the possibility of standing in for injured Ferrari driver Felipe Massa.
11:38:00 <sbp> ]]] — http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8172310.stm
11:46:11 <sbp> seems rather unlikely though. Willi Weber says "nicht"
11:46:31 <sbp> also, Top Gear news reports they're playing down rumours of vision impairment
11:46:35 <sbp> so that sounds good
11:47:15 <sbp> also they're all "oh it may his career over" and blah blah, but they were saying that about Mark Webber last year after his cycling accident, and he won in Germany
11:47:56 <sbp> and Alex Zanardi went back and finished his laps after his crash
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11:48:16 <sbp> I'm sure Massa will be the least pessimistic, when he's fit again
11:48:57 <sbp> heh, BBC News are showing a "big cat" on a railway line
11:49:01 <sbp> looks normal sized to me
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12:24:53 <Monty> it's shepazu!
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13:11:39 <sbp> above the robot, [bjoern]
13:16:34 <[bjoern]> this is richly captionable http://asset.soup.io/asset/0407/0944_6b6c.jpeg
13:17:31 <sbp> "Out for a stroll in Haramuchi park, Haikkudo prefecture, Tokyo."
13:24:54 <[bjoern]> serious news and pix fail
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14:42:27 <[bjoern]> World 5-9 is the super hard one I think.
14:43:38 <[bjoern]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uThcL9H2BHo probably, though starting with -8 there
14:47:18 <[bjoern]> might also misremember though, did not seem this hard just now
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16:41:57 <jlf`> hey Monty, how goes
16:41:57 <Monty> ty
16:42:57 * jlf` grumbles about bots these days not even having "bot" in their nicks
16:44:07 <jsled> yeah, monty's rude like that.
16:44:08 <Monty> Mystery in response.
16:44:17 <jsled> Monty: have a little more respect, eh?
16:44:20 <Monty> lemme look into town today! exciting stuff.
16:44:40 <jsled> Oh, don't blow me off, Monty, *this* should be enough excitement for you.
16:44:42 <Monty> reminds me of communist targeted HOWTO, apparently.
16:45:05 <jsled> Monty, are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?
16:45:07 <Monty> tons easier when nslater avatar picture gives me:
16:45:20 <jsled> gives you what, Monty? Do tell!
16:45:26 <Monty> patches welcome back and third. why couldn't I saw fly through a field to "limit" access from that nocanon helps you persistence
16:45:43 <jsled> helps *you* persistence, Monty.
16:45:43 <Monty> 0.10-dev
16:49:59 <sbp> yeah Monty, you fuck
16:49:59 <Monty> screw you
16:50:07 <sbp> no you! how dare you not have bot in your name!
16:50:11 <sbp> it's only common courtesy, Monty
16:50:18 <Monty> lol, joe would never writing patch by Hoskins, Leguizamo and made you see jasondavies' friendpaste above? that you'd mebbe
16:50:19 <sbp> Monty: something you ought to learn in BOT SCHOOL
16:50:20 <Monty> dastardly bodies!
16:50:24 <sbp> DASTARDLY
16:51:27 <jsled> Dastardly Boties, Monty; must have 'bot' in it.
16:51:28 <Monty> screws ashtray ;)
16:51:33 <[bjoern]> I would say Monty wins this round.
16:51:35 <Monty> U+0323 COMBINING DOT BELOW (◌̣)
16:51:44 <jsled> screwsbot ashtraybot, Monty-bot.
16:51:48 <Monty> couchDB plugins. all documents with Irish Guy is *possibly* based then?
16:52:00 <jsled> IRISH GUYBOT< MONTY!
16:52:00 <Monty> F1(N,F1)
16:52:14 <sbp> F1BOT(NBOT,F1BOTBOT), Montybotbotbot, BOT!
16:52:16 <[bjoern]> Geh und bums einen B-Baum Montybot.
16:52:18 <Monty> Arn1a: ages, and blue is still gives {"ok":true,"name":null,"roles":["_admin"]}
16:52:19 <Monty> where are weighted of but it's about some staff cognate
16:52:52 <[bjoern]> He's attacking with JSON, all [appropriate countermeasures illegible]
16:53:34 <sbp> only the Japanese can help us
16:54:34 <sbp> ブッカケビットとバイト、カムと九柱戯は、邪悪なJSONを1つの顔をプロデュース!!!
16:56:06 <sbp> TO PRODUCE A SINGLE FACE!
16:57:02 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8171452.stm
16:57:04 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Invite to deface Bible withdrawn
16:57:12 <sbp> someone had the idea of letting anybody write in a Bible
16:57:22 <sbp> and were then shocked when people started writing offensive things
16:57:29 <jsled> shocked!
16:57:35 <sbp> the artist says: "I had hoped that people would show respect for the Bible, for Christianity and indeed for the Gallery of Modern Art. I am saddened that some people have chosen to write offensive messages."
16:58:10 <sbp> this person has never seen a Youtube comment thread
16:58:16 <[bjoern]> Didn't most bible authors do the same?
16:58:26 <sbp> do what? write offensive messages?
16:58:29 <[bjoern]> yeah
16:58:32 <sbp> only offensive to their enemies
16:59:06 <sbp> hmm, jsled should be jsledhuman really
16:59:25 <sbp> this is the first thing they teach you, in human school!
16:59:39 <jsled> clearly identify yourself at all times.
17:00:04 <[bjoern]> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8125191.stm
17:00:07 <phenny> [bjoern]: BBC NEWS | Health | Swine flu parties 'a bad idea'
17:00:13 <sbp> wear an appropriately sized placard on your face identifying yourself as the human commonly known as jsled
17:01:03 <sbp> actually it's funny
17:01:08 <sbp> because he says it's a good idea for people
17:01:13 <sbp> but then says it's a bad idea for the authorities
17:01:42 <sbp> --
17:01:43 <sbp> Dr Jarvis, who was speaking in his BMA capacity at the union's conference in Liverpool, admitted getting the virus now was likely to give people immunity even if it mutated slightly to become more virulent.
17:01:43 <sbp> But he added that if people actively sought to get flu, health services may not be able to act in the same way as they are doing now.
17:01:44 <sbp> --
17:03:11 <sbp> [bjoernhuman]: you're exposing your skin to a host of airborne debeautifiers
17:03:54 <[bjoern]> Hmm [bjoernhuman] does not seem to be around.
17:04:00 <sbp> oh dear
17:04:02 <sbp> [bjoern]: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46067000/gif/_46067311_terrorism_466.gif
17:04:07 <sbp> via nslater
17:04:36 <[bjoern]> looks too big to me
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17:05:29 <sbp> [ [ probable terrorists . <- actual terrorists ] people ]
17:05:50 <[bjoern]> probable != suspected.
17:06:04 <sbp> ah, I'm afraid you're wrong there
17:06:14 <sbp> if you've ever been a suspected terrorist and gone through an airport
17:06:24 <sbp> you will know that you are definitely counted as a probably terrorist
17:06:29 <sbp> *probable
17:07:11 <[bjoern]> perhaps, but not all do.
17:07:38 <sbp> airborne debeautifiers
17:08:02 <[bjoern]> Don't distract me while I'm fighting off the three headed monkey behind me.
17:08:15 <sbp> it's for your own goodtection
17:08:44 <[bjoern]> oh good thankness!
17:10:11 <sbp> now you're just being flippant
17:10:13 <sbp> of which I approve
17:10:47 <sbp> anyway, it's a monkey
17:10:57 <sbp> distract it with a three-headed banana and then step on its tail
17:11:21 <[bjoern]> I think maybe instead of monkey we should call it toothbrush ore.
17:11:46 <sbp> money fur isn't all that good for teethbrushes really
17:12:13 <[bjoern]> but it smells good when frozen.
17:12:13 <sbp> unless you mean they're like piñatas with little tiny teethbrushes inside
17:12:18 <sbp> interesting
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17:13:46 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's danja_!
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17:31:40 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8170813.stm
17:31:42 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | North East/N Isles | UK's 'strongest beer' condemned
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17:33:32 <[bjoern]> collected too much stuff, only way to collect more is to get rid of stuff, and that'd mean either lose special items like clouds, or take a flower or some such
17:33:46 <[bjoern]> and that would rob me of the Waschbärenkostüm I'm wearing
17:33:56 <[bjoern]> And I only have two of those
17:34:02 <[bjoern]> (raccoon)
17:34:44 <[bjoern]> I noticed btw if you defeat some bowserling wearing it, you get a special comment from the king, or his underling, who ever is doing the speech bubbling there.
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17:36:50 <[bjoern]> okay removed a music box
17:37:13 <sbp> "special comment"?
17:37:24 <sbp> is that like special rendition?
17:38:14 <[bjoern]> it is different from the one you get usually
17:38:32 <[bjoern]> very disturbing ad on imagebin for me
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17:38:43 <[bjoern]> http://imagebin.ca/img/P8vGO9v.png
17:39:01 <[bjoern]> You don't appear to actually tell him your name though
17:39:11 <[bjoern]> I wonder about the comment for the hammer suit
17:40:12 <[bjoern]> okay world 5 ship is one of the easiest
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17:40:31 <[bjoern]> now fighting a fat guy in pink with glasses
17:40:41 <[bjoern]> that was easy
17:41:05 <[bjoern]> world 6 is ice i think
17:41:23 <[bjoern]> yup. and got another cloud
17:42:17 <[bjoern]> course 1 clear
17:42:34 <[bjoern]> and got a memory game, of course no more items without unraccooning
17:42:58 <[bjoern]> i am not sure why the beasts sleep, is that still from the music box last world?
17:43:14 <[bjoern]> oh no autoscroller
17:44:52 <[bjoern]> now they are up again
17:47:52 <[bjoern]> now i need to defeat a map beast and get its item...
17:49:22 <[bjoern]> raccoon super useful in the fortress, destroys the rotating flamy things
17:50:37 <[bjoern]> super easy there
17:51:56 <[bjoern]> 6-6
17:52:14 <sbp> thank you, kind [bjoern]
17:53:04 <[bjoern]> raccoon no good with watery fishy levels
17:53:29 <sbp> tail gets all soggy, provides hydrodynamic drag
17:53:38 <sbp> good buoyancy aid though
17:53:49 <[bjoern]> you can sink real quick by turning into a statue though
17:54:28 <sbp> that's... is that useful?
17:54:42 <[bjoern]> rarely
17:55:01 <sbp> would be a good trick for chatting to girls though
17:55:04 <sbp> "look how hard I can get"
17:55:35 <[bjoern]> under some definition of good
17:55:56 <sbp> girls like a raccoon who can get really hard
17:56:12 <[bjoern]> i know
17:56:42 <[bjoern]> I wonder about making a Waschbärbauch vs Waschbrettbauch joke.
17:58:57 <sbp> bär means bear, I know that from pombär
17:59:04 <sbp> brett means hitman, hitman hart
17:59:16 <sbp> so no, in summary, wouldn't bother
17:59:53 <[bjoern]> Both terms describe male anatomy
18:00:03 <[bjoern]> raccoon useless here too http://imagebin.ca/img/Drru9k.png
18:01:51 <deltab> Channel 4 News asks why we don't get the broadband speed we're promised
18:01:56 <sbp> wonder if you can use a feather duster for a tail
18:02:01 <sbp> deltab: yeah, been on BBC News too
18:02:08 <sbp> must be some big flap about it
18:03:00 <deltab> Ofcom
18:08:04 <[bjoern]> 6-10
18:08:22 <[bjoern]> I skipped 6-5 as there are beasts who give items in front of it
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18:14:49 <[bjoern]> okay the third fortress was hard
18:15:03 <[bjoern]> without loosing my suit anyway
18:16:23 <[bjoern]> so 6-5
18:20:15 <[bjoern]> got a hammer suit
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18:40:11 <[bjoern]> "Dye Used In Blue M&Ms Can Lessen Spinal Injury " - /.
18:41:39 <[bjoern]> "Oxford scientists have created a transparent form of aluminum" - id
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18:47:24 <[bjoern]> remind me in 6 minutes to !
18:47:25 <Monty> [bjoern]: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Tue Jul 28 19:54:54 BST 2009
18:53:31 <Monty> [bjoern]: You asked me to remind you to !
18:54:06 <sbp> oh man, there's some major fail story on BBC News right now
18:54:09 <sbp> SUMMER CAMP DEBATE
18:54:20 <sbp> and it says "Camp is open to people of all belief systems" or somesuch
18:54:36 <sbp> and now they're interviewing some guy called Spottiswoodfolke or something from the National Secular Society
18:55:52 <sbp> ah, here we go:
18:55:55 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8172844.stm
18:55:57 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | Camp offers 'godless alternative'
18:56:33 <sbp> awesome
18:56:34 <sbp> [[[
18:56:35 <sbp> Some of the 24 children arriving at Camp Quest in Bruton seemed a little young to be tackling the weighty concepts ahead of them.
18:56:35 <sbp> The summer camp, designed with the children of atheist parents in mind, has a slightly daunting mission statement.
18:56:35 <sbp> It is "dedicated to improving the human condition through rational inquiry, critical and creative thinking, scientific method… and the separation of religion and government".
18:56:41 <sbp> ]]]
18:56:42 <[bjoern]> Well freedom of religion means always kinda meant being open to how people worship God
18:57:00 <[bjoern]> not that you suddenly worship no god, or many gods, or a distinctly different god.
18:57:18 <sbp> well here they're saying it's an atheist summer camp
18:57:27 <sbp> but on the telly they're saying "not atheist! open to anyone!"
18:58:17 <sbp> I've always loved the religion and government argument
18:58:26 <sbp> it's like, yeah, let's have PROPER SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!
18:58:30 <sbp> just like the United States!
18:58:41 <sbp> and not like, say, Denmark and Norway. horrible, evil places
19:00:22 <sbp> sorry, not evil. that word is illogical. I meant to say, unrational, acritical, uncreative, and anti-scientific
19:01:11 <[bjoern]> the US needs a royal family.
19:01:16 <sbp> mos def
19:01:58 <sbp> (oh man, Iceland too)
19:03:10 <[bjoern]> why, there is still no evidence about Björk leaving
19:03:48 <sbp> hehe
19:03:53 <sbp> man, I don't get this:
19:03:54 <sbp> [[[
19:03:54 <sbp> She said: "If the children were to come up with a question about creationism for example, we would discuss the evidence. We wouldn't say, 'Creationism is rubbish'… if they weigh the evidence and think there's a good case for it."
19:03:55 <sbp> ]]]
19:04:17 <sbp> you have to be rational, but you can't say Creationism is rubbish
19:04:20 <sbp> how does that work, then?
19:04:28 <jsled> mos def is in iceland?
19:04:39 <sbp> no, Björk
19:04:42 <sbp> (is in mos def?)
19:04:47 <jsled> beat me to it.
19:04:49 <jsled> thanks!
19:04:52 <sbp> heh, heh
19:04:55 <[bjoern]> You are confusing this with Mos Eisley.
19:04:55 <jsled> saved me all that typing.
19:05:08 <jsled> Björk is in Mos Eisley?
19:05:15 <[bjoern]> There are rumors.
19:05:21 <sbp> no, I think he means Creationism
19:05:22 <jsled> That'd be a good show.
19:05:47 <[bjoern]> Some argue the show lasted for seven days, give or take.
19:06:37 <sbp> also I'd like to know how that second sentence was meant to finish
19:06:49 <sbp> "We wouldn't say, 'Creationism is rubbish'… if they weigh the evidence and think there's a good case for it."
19:06:54 <[bjoern]> so the Nazis captured Archver, aided by time traveling aliens, but we don't know that yet.
19:06:55 <sbp> if they weigh ... then what?
19:07:11 <[bjoern]> where did that v come from?
19:07:14 <sbp> her grammar seems to have gone critical
19:08:21 <sbp> "It's really a way of trying to get the kids involved in philosophical thinking but in a way they don't realise they're doing it" — subliminal Nietzsche?
19:08:35 <[bjoern]> It must be World Anarchy, or World Order.
19:09:35 <sbp> hahaha
19:09:44 <sbp> I was just about to say this article is providing a luls per paragraph
19:09:49 <sbp> but then it increased that average substantially:
19:09:51 <sbp> [[[
19:09:51 <sbp> For the "centrepiece" of its scientific approach to religion the camp asks its participants to search for two invisible unicorns.
19:09:51 <sbp> The unicorns cannot be seen or heard, tasted, smelt or touched, they cannot escape from the camp and they eat nothing.
19:09:51 <sbp> The only proof of their existence is contained in an ancient book handed down over "countless generations".
19:09:52 <sbp> A prize - a £10 note signed by Professor Richard Dawkins - is offered to any child who can disprove the existence of the unicorns.
19:09:57 <sbp> ]]]
19:10:32 <sbp> this sounds a bit crazy, not sure I'd send my kids to this
19:10:44 <[bjoern]> what do you get if you find them?
19:10:53 <sbp> see the last sentence...
19:11:00 <sbp> a £10 note signed by Richard Dawkins
19:11:03 <sbp> oh wait
19:11:08 * sbp sees the last sentence
19:11:10 <[bjoern]> ur st00pid
19:11:15 <sbp> perhaps you get to keep the unicorns?
19:11:33 <jsled> the knowledge of the location of the mushrooms at the edge of the camp.
19:11:45 <[bjoern]> it makes you bigger, more powerful
19:11:45 <sbp> hehe
19:11:59 <sbp> also, I'm wondering why there are two
19:12:13 <sbp> so that they can mate? or what?
19:12:39 <[bjoern]> 2 is not enough to sustain a population for a prolonged period of time, according to some.
19:12:50 <sbp> worked in the Bible
19:12:54 <[bjoern]> so one can warn the other of approaching humans perhaps.
19:13:17 <sbp> anyway, hang on, I haven't even finished this article yet
19:13:20 <sbp> bound to be much more comedy
19:13:25 <[bjoern]> Yes, cf. the U.S. for example for the consequences.
19:13:25 <Monty> "you"
19:14:09 <sbp> man, a U.S. of unicorns would be interesting
19:14:20 <sbp> Bush would look like a horse, I suppose?
19:15:26 <[bjoern]> before, or after is second birth?
19:15:37 <sbp> both, I think
19:15:54 <sbp> actually, I should look this up
19:17:03 <sbp> “The term was sufficiently prevalent that during the year's Presidential campaign Jimmy Carter described himself as born again, notably in the first Playboy magazine interview of a U.S. Presidential candidate.”
19:17:06 <sbp> so, in summary, not sure
19:19:18 <[bjoern]> We could attempt to find out X -> Horse -> Y assuming there might be a third life for him. Quite possible if he was a cat some lives ago.
19:20:06 <sbp> if reincarnation as popularly understood is correct, you might have to go looking on Wikipedia for some pretty fucked up animals
19:20:25 <sbp> heh, like Apu's chart
19:20:28 <sbp> "ooh, a tapeworm"
19:21:22 <[bjoern]> Well, if he was a horse in a land of unicorns
19:21:47 <sbp> if Bush were ever brought to The Hague, I wonder if they'd find him competent enough to stand trial? maybe that's why it hasn't happened yet
19:25:44 <sbp> ooh, another good story
19:25:50 <sbp> selecting the witch for Wookey Hole
19:25:59 <sbp> 300 candidates
19:26:14 <sbp> oh man this is chox
19:26:50 <sbp> they only had a minute each to pitch
19:26:56 <sbp> a few male entrants
19:27:01 <sbp> hahaha
19:27:04 <sbp> "he didn't win"
19:27:15 <sbp> wow, they picked a ... wow
19:27:18 <sbp> she's cute!
19:27:32 <sbp> I will find vids for u
19:27:32 <Monty> "you"
19:27:33 * [bjoern] orders whatever sbp ordered
19:27:35 <sbp> nu
19:27:50 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8173277.stm
19:27:52 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Business | Wookey Hole employs new witch
19:27:57 <sbp> there you go. dunno if it works in Der Germanies
19:28:21 <[bjoern]> I was thinking of the entertainment enhancing substances.
19:28:41 <[bjoern]> also, works...
19:28:43 <sbp> aw, sorry, this isn't even the video they just played
19:28:50 <sbp> the one they played was teh lols
19:29:05 <sbp> this one... I haven't got the sound up, but doesn't look as lols
19:29:21 <[bjoern]> "you've beaten all these other people", asking the women with the huge stick.
19:29:27 <sbp> hehe
19:30:35 <sbp> fine, I'll listen to it too
19:31:17 <[bjoern]> went downhill from that question if you ask me.
19:33:31 <sbp> well I thought it was extremely funny in a VERY different way
19:33:41 <sbp> I like how much of a jerk the interviewer was being, for example
19:33:49 <sbp> tries to take her hat off and she's all NO
19:34:10 <sbp> also, they should show this video as a British Tourism advert abroad I think
19:34:11 <sbp> subtitled
19:34:33 <sbp> "yes folks, this is Britain"
19:34:54 <[bjoern]> The Internet people should take a week regular british programming and dub it well in german, and vice versa, as cultural study.
19:35:54 <sbp> captions like, DIE AUFREIZEND HEXE VERDIENT SEHR VIEL GELD
19:36:06 <sbp> also, agreed
19:36:17 <sbp> did they show Allo Allo yet?
19:36:38 <[bjoern]> I recall looking that up on wikipedia
19:36:50 <[bjoern]> probably saying that Prosieben/Sat.1 buought rights to it
19:36:54 <sbp> yeah, some years ago they said "this is clear for German viewing now!"
19:37:00 <sbp> and then I never heard anything else about that
19:37:09 <sbp> so either it went very well or very badly or neither
19:37:19 <[bjoern]> "On 8 March 2008 the BBC announced that German channel ProSiebenSat1 had bought the screening rights for all eight series, which are to be overdubbed into German."
19:37:24 <sbp> ah
19:37:31 <clsn> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8173180.stm
19:37:32 <phenny> clsn: BBC NEWS | South Asia | Tell-all TV riles India's politicians
19:38:06 <sbp> oh this is great:
19:38:08 <sbp> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46123000/jpg/_46123828_promo_startv.jpg
19:38:30 <sbp> they should air this show as an Indian Tourism advert abroad I think
19:40:23 <[bjoern]> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8173308.stm
19:40:41 <sbp> hehe
19:41:02 <[bjoern]> "Once they realised their mistake, the couple got back in their car and headed south, the official added."
19:41:14 <[bjoern]> Let's better not ask how this is news.
19:41:48 <sbp> they were going to go to BCB Nswe Tusdios next, you see
19:42:03 <sbp> it's in Albania
19:42:27 <[bjoern]> I could criticise that in several ways.
19:42:40 <sbp> Hungary?
19:42:52 <[bjoern]> That too.
19:43:42 <sbp> you should ship me your hunger when you ship me your cold weather at last
19:43:59 <sbp> it won't be a problem, because whoever took over from Royal Mail will undoubtedly lose it anyway
19:44:11 <sbp> so Ireland will end up cool but quite hungry
19:44:30 <[bjoern]> I find your concepts agreeable.
19:44:32 <sbp> or wherever
19:44:36 <clsn> sbp: so I have been challenged to design a really usable text font. yow.
19:44:52 <sbp> clsn: just copy Day Roman or something
19:44:54 <sbp> nobody will know
19:45:13 <sbp> hehe
19:45:15 <sbp> CAREERS IN LAW
19:45:19 <sbp> Students warned against career in law
19:45:19 <[bjoern]> scan your write handing.
19:46:27 <clsn> I set the bar kind of low for Marin. Guess it's time to set it higher.
19:46:52 <clsn> (goal for Marin: “design a font that did not make you actively want to vomit”)
19:47:43 <[bjoern]> does it have scenders?
19:47:45 <sbp> depends somewhat on the context though
19:47:54 <sbp> I mean, Marin would be pretty vomitworthy on a legal form or something
19:48:19 <sbp> for setting a Grimm tale, it'd be awesome
19:48:25 <sbp> those are pretty much the opposing use cases of Marin
19:48:59 <sbp> if you design a good @font-face usable font, I will be AMAZED
19:49:12 <clsn> The challenge is for a book face, actually.
19:49:20 <sbp> bah
19:49:26 <[bjoern]> IN UR BOOK
19:49:32 <clsn> A short story or a pamphlet in Marin is believable. A 200-page book, not so much.
19:49:38 <sbp> the world does not need another book face
19:49:42 <sbp> there are a billion usable book faces
19:49:56 <sbp> there is not, however, a single perfectly usable @font-face font
19:50:23 <[bjoern]> one reason being that @font-face fonts would be limited to Unicode.
19:50:24 <clsn> What are the requirements of a @font-face font that you are not seeing being met?
19:50:26 <sbp> (I've tried gazillions. I have huge, huge sample pages. there is no good @font-face font)
19:50:35 <sbp> well, they have to be readable
19:50:41 <sbp> which eliminates about 80% of fonts
19:51:01 <sbp> they have to look good at 16px, most people's default browser font size
19:51:05 <clsn> It's easier to draw grunge fonts or other displays, yeah.
19:51:10 <sbp> that eliminates like 19% of that remaining 20%...
19:51:28 <clsn> @font-face is finally getting supported?
19:51:53 <sbp> of the rest, generally the problem is that the font is too dense, line-height doesn't work... there's even one font (Cardo) which is actually pretty good but simply doesn't render properly, with all weird lines over it!
19:51:59 <sbp> yup, it's in all the major browsers now I think
19:52:03 <sbp> latest FF and Safari definitely
19:52:06 <sbp> presumably the latest Opera
19:52:11 <sbp> not sure about IE, don't care
19:52:25 <sbp> but I think so, judging from the clamour
19:52:49 <clsn> Hm. I don't know about the failings of current ones; guess I should look into how they get rendered.
19:53:01 <sbp> I can recommend you a bunch
19:53:07 <[bjoern]> for IE5+ or so you just need to convert to EOT
19:53:18 <sbp> oh, I should note I'm only talking about serifs
19:53:21 <[bjoern]> opera only betas
19:53:25 <sbp> I presume we're none of us talking about sans-serifs
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20:01:54 <sbp> hmm. I thought I just saw a caption saying "CHEDDAR IN ORBIT"
20:02:23 <[bjoern]> It's grown in the tea pot.
20:03:03 <sbp> .title http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1202755/Close-encounters-curd-kind-Cheesemaker-launches-lump-cheddar-space.html
20:03:03 <phenny> sbp: Close encounters of the curd kind: Cheesemaker launches lump of cheddar into space | Mail Online
20:03:14 <sbp> assumably, therefore, the caption was indeed as reported
20:03:33 <sbp> and entirely misleading
20:03:40 <sbp> since at no point was the cheddar ever in orbit
20:03:43 <sbp> nor was it even in space
20:03:49 <clsn> I suspect my FF may not yet be font-face-capable.
20:04:02 <sbp> what version do yo have, ma mang?
20:06:51 <sbp> clsn?
20:07:13 <clsn> sry. Um, lemme see.
20:07:31 <clsn> 3.0.12 apparently.
20:07:41 <sbp> yeah, need 3.5+ I think
20:07:47 <clsn> Hrumph. OK.
20:11:14 <clsn> downloading 3.5. Maybe I'll try it out, in a temporary profile or something.
20:11:33 <sbp> probably a good idea to upgrade anyway
20:11:40 <sbp> never know what sploits are in the old versions, I say
20:11:47 <sbp> though I'm a complete hypocrtie
20:11:54 <sbp> because I used to wait ages until upgrading
20:12:11 <sbp> until I realised that I should just ditch the dozen or so crappy extensions I was using
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20:17:01 <sbp> .title http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202678/You-Twitters-Ministers-20-page-dummies-guide-help-tweeting.html
20:17:01 <phenny> sbp: You Twitters! Ministers get 20-page 'dummies' guide to help them get tweeting | Mail Online
20:18:40 <[bjoern]> obviously whoever wrote a 20 page guide to twitter does not understand it well enough.
20:18:41 <sbp> trying to find the actual guide
20:19:08 <sbp> yeah, the story notes how many hundreds of tweets it'd require to twitterise the guide
20:20:39 <sbp> pretty sure the guide isn't on Google yet
20:20:39 <Monty> Is this premature optimization?
20:20:55 <sbp> ...we DON'T KNOW
20:21:30 <MoiraA> hi sbp
20:21:31 <sbp> ooh, this might be it
20:21:32 <sbp> http://blogs.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/digitalengagement/file.axd?file=2009%2f7%2f20090724twitter.pdf
20:21:35 <sbp> hi MoiraA!
20:22:10 <sbp> it's twenty pages. good start
20:23:40 <sbp> hmm, this is irritatingly interesting and well informed
20:23:47 * sbp stops reading it
20:25:25 <[bjoern]> such is the dark side of the force.
20:25:32 <sbp> I'VE JUST BEEN TO SPACE! IF YOU
20:25:38 <sbp> FIND ME, PLEASE RETURN TO...
20:25:44 <sbp> — notice on the orbit cheese
20:26:06 <sbp> now they're showing a clip from a Grand Day Out
20:26:20 <[bjoern]> BEST BEF^W AFTER DICOVERY OF TIME TRAVEL
20:31:24 <clsn> some of these are nice.. http://opentype.info/demo/webfontdemo.html
20:32:53 <clsn> I could embed Marin, but it's so hyooj. The download delay is a problem there.
20:37:56 <clsn> Oooh, but I could work out Klingon support since they still won't put us in Unicode... Supply the PUA glyphs...
20:47:57 <sbp> aw man
20:48:06 <sbp> I've got a smaller Twitter ID than AaronSw
20:48:12 <sbp> so I thought nobody's gonna be able to beat me
20:48:18 <sbp> but... nslater's ID is *insanely* small
20:48:50 <sbp> here's who I polled:
20:48:50 <sbp> sbp - 1736651
20:48:50 <sbp> nslater - 22803
20:48:50 <sbp> stephenfry - 15439395
20:48:50 <sbp> AaronSw - 2696831
20:48:59 <sbp> d8uv - 6820502
20:49:05 <sbp> we all trounce stephenfry of course
20:49:08 <sbp> poseur
20:49:33 <sbp> but, 22803? that's pretty mental
20:49:49 <sbp> wonder if these'll get like slashdot IDs
20:49:56 <sbp> where you can sell them off for many cashmonies
20:50:22 <sbp> clsn: note that a sometime swhacker is quoted on that page
20:50:37 <sbp> I'll leave you to guess which one
20:50:43 <sbp> also yes, they look cool on that page
20:50:44 <sbp> BUT
20:50:54 <sbp> they're huge, they're coloured, and they've got drop-shadow
20:51:03 <sbp> which is simply not a good body font test, of course
20:51:19 <clsn> True. Still, without the colors and shadow, they might look okay.
20:51:36 <sbp> they don't
20:51:47 <[bjoern]> My internationally recognized blog id is 7, among other numbers.
20:52:04 <sbp> I will give you a secret URI
20:52:12 <sbp> secret URI for you in secret
20:52:23 <[bjoern]> You just want me to implode in a paradoxon.
20:52:27 <clsn> Of course, now I'm looking at it with FF 3.0, so it's all the same. Ugh.
20:52:31 <sbp> you have an internationally recognised blog ID? I want one!
20:52:33 <sbp> clsn: heh
20:52:51 <clsn> You register it with the IANA or something right?
20:53:23 <sbp> .g IANA weblog
20:53:23 <phenny> sbp: http://log.does-not-exist.org/archives/2002/09/17/177_iana_access_to_cctld_zone_files_updated_september_18.html
20:53:25 <sbp> .g IANA weblog id
20:53:26 <phenny> sbp: http://bdewong.blogspot.com/2008/09/firehol-get-iana-scripts.html
20:53:52 <sbp> RFC 31337 - IANA Identifiers for Weblogs
20:54:15 <[bjoern]> we could register a urn:blog:id scheme.
20:54:44 <sbp> good idea
20:55:19 <sbp> are URNs compatible with HTML 5?
20:56:09 <[bjoern]> Did you notice how almost all HTML5 questions have no good answers?
20:56:15 <sbp> yup!
20:56:32 <sbp> I asked a great one on the html5-discuss mailing list
20:56:40 <sbp> months ago. the thread's still going on
20:56:44 <[bjoern]> has there been a followup yet?
20:56:46 <sbp> you know, the one with the "?" reply
20:56:48 <sbp> yeah, loads
20:56:51 <[bjoern]> omg
20:56:54 <sbp> and there's a big argument between Hixie and some other guy
20:56:56 <[bjoern]> Don't tell us about it, thx
20:57:00 <sbp> about whether or not wh... right
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20:57:34 <sbp> basically it just confirms what you said, though
20:57:46 <[bjoern]> it confirmed "?"?
20:57:59 <sbp> yes, but more specifically this:
20:58:00 <sbp> <[bjoern]> Did you notice how almost all HTML5 questions have no good answers?
21:04:15 <sbp> okay
21:04:17 <sbp> “The origin of this software must not be misrepresented”
21:04:22 <sbp> — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlib_License
21:04:25 <sbp> what does this mean? debate
21:07:01 <[bjoern]> If you say aliens passed down the zlib sources through holy scripture millenia ago, and they in fact did it decades ago, and not through scripture but song, then you have misrepresented the origin of the software, I believe.
21:07:54 <sbp> thanks!
21:43:27 <Arnia> sbp: link?
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22:52:01 <[bjoern]> .wik sockstress
22:52:02 <phenny> "Sockstress is an internal proof-of-concept program developed by the late Jack C. Louis at Outpost24." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockstress
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23:11:29 <Monty> yo danja_!
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