00:00:54 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-cheney-safe-01.txt
00:00:54 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:30:49 <[bjoern]> (now -02 ...)
00:30:58 <[bjoern]> (not that the actual content mattered...)
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01:40:19 <Monty> But what does shepazu have to do with the price of fish?
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02:38:48 <MoiraA> [bjoern]?
02:38:53 <MoiraA> Arnia?
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04:12:10 <Monty> yo BigJibby!
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04:50:59 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's shepazu!
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08:28:56 <Monty> hey cre8radix
08:29:31 <cre8radix> heya Monty
08:29:40 <Monty> big chunks of applciation are much better than an "Javascript is actually wonder if A is run on this is released in allowedUsers) { ... emit([user, key], value) }
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09:03:49 <sbp> yo
09:03:50 <phenny> sbp: 00:00Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-cheney-safe-01.txt
09:03:53 <sbp> Arnia: link to what?
09:05:26 <Arnia> The HTML 5 thread
09:06:21 <sbp> ah. http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/help-whatwg.org/2009-May/000243.html
09:24:01 <sbp> .title http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/sudan/5929444/Woman-in-Sudan-faces-flogging-for-wearing-trousers.html
09:24:02 <phenny> sbp: Woman in Sudan faces flogging for wearing trousers - Telegraph
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09:25:00 <_ulises> and not for leaving the kitchen?
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09:25:44 <sbp> phenny: tell [bjoern] http://mailmarkup.org/
09:25:44 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
09:26:05 <sbp> I don't know if I could ever have conceived of trousers being obscene
09:26:40 <sbp> perhaps if they were skin tight and so low slung you could see the lady's butt
09:26:54 <sbp> doesn't sound like that's the case here though...
09:34:36 <_ulises> it might be more of a case of a woman daring to wear men's clothing than anything else
09:34:57 <sbp> eek, lesbionics
09:35:08 <sbp> people might get dildoised!
09:35:46 <_ulises> dong
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09:48:25 <laplink> To get dildozed. Over. By a Lesbiator.
09:48:59 <laplink> I can picture the movie poster…
09:49:18 <laplink> .gcs lesbiator dildozed
09:49:19 <phenny> lesbiator (482), dildozed (10)
09:49:56 <laplink> .gc "Dildozed by the Lesbiator"
09:49:56 <phenny> "Dildozed by the Lesbiator": 0
09:50:08 <laplink> .gc "Dildozed by Lesbiators"
09:50:08 <phenny> "Dildozed by Lesbiators": 0
09:51:55 <sbp> http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Labs-Notebook/msg/843f31c18673c9e3
09:52:05 <sbp> laplink: from the Daily Show
09:52:17 <sbp> (search for lesbionics and dildoized)
09:52:56 <sbp> also http://serverfault.com/questions/21293/google-web-history-shows
09:55:45 <laplink> .gc lesbionics
09:55:46 <phenny> lesbionics: 9,970
09:55:58 <laplink> .gc "applied lesbionics"
09:55:58 <phenny> "applied lesbionics": 0
09:56:06 <laplink> boring people
09:56:13 <laplink> .gc "boring people"
09:56:13 <phenny> "boring people": 46,100
09:56:19 <laplink> Yeah, that's what I figured.
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10:19:38 <sbp> .gc telelesbidildonics
10:19:39 <phenny> telelesbidildonics: 0
10:29:04 <sbp> the libpng license is confusing
10:29:13 <sbp> in the license it says:
10:29:14 <sbp> 3. This Copyright notice may not be removed or altered from any
10:29:14 <sbp> source or altered source distribution.
10:29:27 <sbp> even though that's in the license, not the copyright notice
10:29:40 <sbp> or does "copyright notice" mean license now?
10:36:57 <sbp> woah
10:36:58 <sbp> [[[
10:36:59 <sbp> Does the public domain exist in Europe too?
10:36:59 <sbp> Yes. You can voluntarily abandon your European copyrights. You can't abandon certain reputation rights (such as the right to stop people from removing your name from your work), but you can abandon your copyrights.
10:37:05 <sbp> ]]] — http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html
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10:38:04 <laplink> “woah”?
10:39:51 <laplink> Apart from the temerity of an American in applying the word “too” to European legal doctrines, of course.
10:40:45 <sbp> well, this appears like it may be very precisely close to what I want out of a perfect license
10:41:10 <sbp> that is, keep my name on it but otherwise do whatever (and don't sue me)
10:41:19 <sbp> I'm not sure about the "as-is" bit
10:41:29 <sbp> so for example, say I put this in my code:
10:41:54 <sbp> "The author has abandoned copyright of the present work."
10:42:13 <Arnia> under EU law?
10:42:19 <sbp> in Europe, if djb is right and I read him accurately, I think that means you can copy, modify, redistribute etc. the code. but you have to keep my name on it
10:42:37 <sbp> Arnia: well, elsewhere he cites some specific thing...
10:42:38 * sbp rummages
10:43:04 <sbp> “The European Software Directive (adopted by the UK in 1992) gives users the freedom to copy, run, modify, and reverse-engineer lawfully acquired programs.”
10:43:10 <sbp> — http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html
10:43:14 <sbp> presumably that's the 1991 directive
10:43:43 <sbp> I don't know what countries allow you to voluntary abandon copyrights
10:43:50 <sbp> European might mean EU, might mean something else
10:43:56 <sbp> and cf. the question I was in the middle of asking
10:44:07 <sbp> which is that if that applies to the EU, okay. but what about America and other places?
10:44:19 <sbp> I mean I say: "I waive my copyright here"
10:44:29 <sbp> in EU, reputation rights are retained. are they still retained in the US?
10:44:30 <sbp> etc.
10:46:17 <laplink> The <mumble> (Geneva? Bern?) treaty on Copyright recognizes moral rights like asserting that you are the author, and most of the relevant bits of the world are signatories to that.
10:46:31 <sbp> also this contradicts what CC say:
10:46:32 <sbp> [[[
10:46:32 <sbp> Does CC0 require others who use my work to give me attribution?
10:46:32 <sbp> No, and that's a big difference between CC0 and our licenses.
10:46:35 <sbp> ]]]
10:46:47 <sbp> if it's impossible to waive attribution rights in the EU, then that's false
10:47:50 <laplink> So you can assert your right to be known as the author in the same breath as you place it into the public domain, and be more or less where (I think I understand you to ) want to be.
10:48:01 <sbp> [[[
10:48:02 <sbp> Moral rights instead seek to protect the creator's 'honour' and reputation. They consist of rights of attribution (ie identification as author of a work, irrespective of who buys it), integrity (a right to object to derogatory acts prejudicial to the creator's honour and reputation, such as distortion, mutilation or unauthorised modification), disclosure and withdrawal (determining if and when material is made public).
10:48:02 <sbp> Moral Rights are an integral, although in practice little used, aspect of European intellectual property legislation and cultural protection schemes. They are enshrined in the international Berne Convention, the centrepiece of the global copyright regime.
10:48:02 <sbp> The EU rights are inalienable, that is cannot be sold or waived.
10:48:08 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.caslon.com.au/ipguide18.htm
10:48:26 <sbp> laplink: not even necessary in the EU
10:48:34 <sbp> you can never give up your reputation rights, it seems
10:48:43 <laplink> Right.
10:48:45 <sbp> but it would be necessary to make it "universal"
10:49:32 <laplink> And in .no, Copyright law doesn't even recognize the concept of “Work for Hire”, so the creator _always_ retains all rights unless a specific license areement transfers those rights.
10:50:00 <laplink> Which is good news for programmers not wanting their employer to steal their code…
10:50:30 <Arnia> Where does .uk copyright law stand on that?
10:50:39 <laplink> …but very bad news for all those companies hiring expensive conlutants to write them reports, without being very very specific in he contract about what rights they expect to get to the delivered product.
10:52:10 <sbp> hmm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights_(copyright_law)#Moral_rights_in_Europe
10:53:31 <sbp> hmm, this looks useful:
10:53:34 <sbp> .title http://crossborder.practicallaw.com/2-385-0803
10:53:37 <phenny> sbp: PLC - Moral rights in Europe: a comparative study
10:54:47 <sbp> don't have access though. rats
10:56:14 <laplink> You should assert your moral right to access to knowledge.
10:57:11 <sbp> ooh, this is interesting:
10:57:12 <sbp> [[[
10:57:13 <sbp> Despite that, the lack of moral rights enforcement in the U.S. is a strange "quirk" in the U.S. copyright system that has caused some conflicts, especially when dealing with copyright holders from countries that have protected moral rights for decades.
10:57:19 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2006/06/12/us-vs-europe-moral-rights/
10:57:26 <sbp> so apparently even that is not straightforward
10:57:44 <laplink> Of course not, we /are/ talking about the `merkins here.
10:57:47 <sbp> so I say "I wave my copyright", someone in the US takes my name off of a thing, it may still cause some conflict apparently
10:57:52 <sbp> heh, heh
10:57:54 <sbp> *waive
10:59:35 <sbp> I've seen this quite a lot, by the way:
10:59:36 <sbp> [[[
10:59:37 <sbp> When the United States joined the Berne Convention, (1) the moral rights issue came to the fore in this country. However, no moral rights provision was included in the implementing legislation, because Congress concluded that various state and federal laws afforded U.S. authors the minimum protection necessary for Berne accession.
10:59:37 <sbp> ]]]
10:59:46 <sbp> here from http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FWE/is_12_6/ai_95444221/
11:00:02 <laplink> No license will ever prevent you from liability to shitheadism. Not until the default penalty for frivolous lawsuits becomes death in some suitable archaic fashion.
11:01:16 <laplink> Case in point, Lawrence Rosen will cheerfully sue you on the grounds that it's impossible to offer software without an implied warranty.
11:01:28 <sbp> this is interesting too:
11:01:29 <sbp> [[[
11:01:30 <sbp> Under the Berne
11:01:32 <sbp> convention the exact rights a copyright holder has varies depending on
11:01:34 <sbp> which jurisdiction he chooses to assert his (copy)right. The contractual
11:01:36 <sbp> obligations stated in the license may however either be interpreted
11:01:38 <sbp> according to the laws of the jurisdiction in which the licensor lives,
11:01:40 <sbp> or according to the laws of the jurisdiction in which the licensee lives.
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11:01:44 <sbp> It is thus quite possible that a US copyright holder who has issued a CC
11:01:46 <sbp> license for a work of his, may assert moral rights in Europe for that
11:01:49 <sbp> work, even though such rights are not stated in the license. And even if
11:01:50 <sbp> the license does state that moral rights are waived, a jurisdiction may
11:01:52 <sbp> have rules which denies a party the right to waive moral rights,
11:01:54 <sbp> invalidating that specific part of the license.
11:01:57 <sbp> ]]] - http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-licenses/2005-March/001923.html
11:03:18 <laplink> Yes. The only *only* workable solution is to state, in plain, non-legalese, language what your intents and desires are; so that when the issue comes before a court you can depend on the judge having a sound dose of common sense (which they tend to do).
11:05:16 <sbp> [[[
11:05:17 <sbp> Technically, then, all signatories of the Berne Convention must recognize artists‘ Moral Rights.
11:05:25 <sbp> ]]] - http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:20C7s2fLx6kJ:law.fordham.edu/publications/articles/200flspub6488.pdf+%22Moral+rights+in+Europe%22&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari
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11:05:40 <sbp> "The author asserts his moral rights and waives his copyright."
11:05:45 <sbp> would that be adequate, I wonder?
11:06:49 <sbp> very interesting paper, this
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11:08:53 <sbp> especially its conclusion
11:09:51 <sbp> technically it seems as though if you released a work in a Berne convention signatory country and waived your copyright but retained your moral rights, and someone in the US broke your moral rights, you could seek to have the very basis of US law in this area changed
11:10:31 <sbp> cf. the concluding paragraph of this paper:
11:10:32 <sbp> [[[
11:10:32 <sbp> s the United States really meeting its obligations under the Berne Convention, particularly in regards to Article 6bis? To truly complywith the Berne Convention, it may be necessary for U.S. law to depart from its utilitarian, market-driven tradition, and to affirmatively provide protection to authors in a manner consistent with that provided by other member countries of the Berne Convention.
11:10:35 <sbp> ]]]
11:10:46 <sbp> which is by Natalie C. Suhl, by the way... :-)
11:10:54 <sbp> *Is
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11:48:59 <sbp> ah, by the way: "Moral rights and unknown rights are two examples of rights that may be difficult to waive in some jurisdictions. When waiver isn’t possible, those rights are licensed under CC0 to the extent allowed by law, although again, sometimes those rights cannot be licensed in advance or at all."
11:53:07 <sbp> .title http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39649689,00.htm
11:53:13 <phenny> sbp: EC wants software makers held liable for code - ZDNet.co.uk
11:53:24 <sbp> i.e. on warrantability
11:53:53 <sbp> interesting: "Linux kernel developer Alan Cox in 2007 told a House of Lords Committee that neither proprietary nor open-source developers should be held accountable for their code."
11:57:49 <sbp> "Microsoft and the Linux Foundation recently published a joint open letter criticizing the new guidelines." — http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/archives/2009/05/the_software_wa.html
11:58:03 <sbp> you know it's a big problem when both Microsoft and the Linux Foundation criticise it
11:58:58 <sbp> [[[
11:58:58 <sbp> Supporters of the EU proposal contend that open-source software, which is typically available free of charge, would remain exempt. The proposed ALI guidelines would include a similar exception for free software, whether it is open-source or proprietary.
11:58:59 <sbp> The Linux Foundation, however, insists that the guidelines could still ensnare open-source software developers, many of which employ unconventional business models that may or may not turn out to be exempt.
11:59:01 <sbp> ]]] - ibid.
12:00:33 <sbp> hmm
12:00:34 <sbp> [[[
12:00:35 <sbp> But Schneier has a suggestion for dealing with that problem too:
12:00:35 <sbp> The key to understanding this is that this sort of contractual liability is part of a contract, and with free software -- or free anything -- there's no contract.
12:00:43 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/should-software-developers-be-liable-their-code
12:00:53 <sbp> but someone, somewhere, said that licenses do work under contract law
12:02:08 <sbp> anyway, that satisfies me on the warrantability point
12:33:03 <[bjoern]> What's with the lack of welcomings to me?
12:33:04 <phenny> [bjoern]: 09:25Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] http://mailmarkup.org/
12:33:29 <[bjoern]> Are you confident I will not desire to inflict violence unto you after clicking?
12:33:59 <[bjoern]> I see the relevance now
12:34:50 <sbp> well it was a bit of a standoff
12:34:54 <sbp> you entered and were silent
12:34:58 <sbp> so I thought you weren't here
12:35:00 <[bjoern]> I head not read any of the draft, except name, title, author's address
12:35:03 <sbp> and then I spoke lots of things
12:35:13 <sbp> which clearly made you think that I'm not here
12:35:22 <[bjoern]> Have I ever joined and then wasn't there?
12:35:36 <sbp> hmm, good question. could I prove it either way?
12:36:13 <[bjoern]> Is Proof by admission of defeat available as option?
12:37:18 <sbp> nope
12:37:22 <sbp> NEVER!
12:38:23 <[bjoern]> Proof by admission of guilt after torture? By classified evidence?
12:38:43 <sbp> those are always available, it seems
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12:45:01 <[bjoern]> I believe then you have multiple options at your disposal to do it.
12:46:46 <sbp> well I already sent you the mailmarkup.org link
12:46:52 <sbp> not sure it'll have the same impact if I send it again
12:48:11 <[bjoern]> Now a Merkel pix and we'll already have filled three of the daily categories.
12:49:46 <sbp> .img Merkel looking scary
12:49:47 <phenny> sbp: http://alison73.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/merkel.jpg
12:49:48 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=Merkel%20looking%20scary
12:49:57 <sbp> perfect
12:50:15 <[bjoern]> old pix, but very effective
12:50:20 <[bjoern]> she's kinda lika http://asset.soup.io/asset/0408/2088_5827.jpeg
12:50:33 <sbp> poor cactus
12:50:55 <sbp> sometimes really drunk people hug them and kiss them and have sweet sex with them, though!
12:51:29 <[bjoern]> .gc "I nailed a cactus"
12:51:30 <phenny> "I nailed a cactus": 0
12:52:03 <sbp> .gs I * a cactus
12:52:04 <phenny> I * a cactus: touched (5), killed (4), planted (3), noticed (3), found (3)
12:52:13 <sbp> inappropriate touching?
12:52:46 <sbp> .gc "shagged a cactus"
12:52:47 <phenny> "shagged a cactus": 0
12:52:54 <sbp> .gc "sex with a cactus"
12:52:55 <phenny> "sex with a cactus": 104
12:52:57 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0408/0990_f3ce.jpeg
12:52:58 <sbp> there you go
12:53:40 <sbp> I am guessing the mole is saying "Hello I am a mole and you live on an active volcano that you didn't know about. Oh, and here comes the lava."
12:53:52 <[bjoern]> close
12:54:29 <[bjoern]> your interpretation successfully ruins the joke though.
12:54:44 <sbp> yay
12:55:34 <sbp> phenny: "Guten tag, ich bin maulwurf und wollte sie nur kurz informieren, dass ich in ihrem garten etwas zu tief... oh, da kommy schon die lava"?
12:55:34 <phenny> sbp: "Good day, I am a mole and she just wanted to inform that I am in her garden a little too deep ... oh, because the lava has kommy" (de to en, translate.google.com)
12:55:45 <[bjoern]> http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/eq12.jpg
12:55:46 <sbp> The Lava has Kommy
12:55:58 <[bjoern]> Well you are the kommy.
12:56:01 <sbp> equations for good sex?
12:56:12 <[bjoern]> i am uncertain
12:57:51 <[bjoern]> http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/eq2.jpg
12:58:09 <[bjoern]> That's either by a zombie, or a really bored vampire slayer.
12:58:47 <[bjoern]> Perhaps solving it is what the Zombies need brains for.
12:59:10 <[bjoern]> We better don't tell them to Wolfram|Alpha it.
12:59:54 <sbp> you're having a lot of equations today already
13:00:01 <sbp> this is definitely much higher than the average
13:00:08 <sbp> I'm going to counteract with wsjage
13:00:52 <[bjoern]> I can't help it, there is no porn today yet.
13:01:43 <sbp> http://s.wsj.net/media/0728pod01.jpg
13:01:58 <[bjoern]> I am unsure there is a good translation for this http://asset.soup.io/asset/0407/3939_ea9a.jpeg
13:02:38 <sbp> hmm, well this is kinda porn: http://s.wsj.net/media/0728pod06.jpg
13:02:41 <sbp> not the good kind though
13:03:08 <[bjoern]> so we are dropping the scare markers now.
13:04:05 <sbp> NOT THE GOOD KIND = THE BAD KIND
13:04:25 <sbp> http://s.wsj.net/media/0727pod03.jpg - "A Ukrainian ultra-nationalist, right, fought with a supporter of Russian Orthodox Church Patriarch Kirill in Kiev Monday. During his Ukraine visit, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church rejected calls from Ukraine’s president to create a local Orthodox church that would be independent from Moscow."
13:04:42 <sbp> http://s.wsj.net/media/0727pod04.jpg - German people kissing
13:05:05 <[bjoern]> how do you know she's german?
13:05:40 <sbp> I could lie and say the caption
13:05:44 <[bjoern]> perhaps she just really likes Jever beer.
13:05:54 <sbp> instead I'll tell the truth and say her hairdo
13:06:07 <sbp> http://s.wsj.net/media/0727pod10.jpg - dudes just hangin'
13:06:29 <sbp> http://s.wsj.net/media/0727pod11.jpg - I watched this, it was a good race
13:07:20 <[bjoern]> .leo Reizwäsche
13:07:21 <phenny> die Reizwäsche (ugs.) = sexy underwear
13:07:22 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Reizw%C3%A4sche
13:07:33 <[bjoern]> no good words in english.
13:07:35 <sbp> funny, I found that word yesterday
13:07:47 <sbp> when I was searching for sexy
13:07:56 <sbp> what is ugs.?
13:07:57 <sbp> slang?
13:08:24 <sbp> .leo Reiz
13:08:25 <phenny> der Reiz = agreeableness, allure, allurement, appeal, attraction
13:08:26 <[bjoern]> umgangssprachlich
13:08:26 <phenny> der Reiz des Neuen = novelty
13:08:27 <phenny> an Reiz verlieren = to pall
13:08:28 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Reiz
13:08:30 <sbp> .leo wäsche
13:08:31 <phenny> clothes pl. = die Wäsche
13:08:32 <phenny> laundry = die Wäsche
13:08:33 <phenny> linen = die Wäsche
13:08:34 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=w%C3%A4sche
13:08:38 <sbp> allure-clothes?
13:08:52 <[bjoern]> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reizwäsche agrees that it's not ugs.
13:09:23 <[bjoern]> .leo reizen
13:09:24 <phenny> reizen | reizte, gereizt | = to aggravate, to allure, to appeal, to irritate, to stimulate
13:09:27 <phenny> jmdn. reizen | reizte, gereizt | = to anger so., to antagonizeAE so. to antagoniseBE also: antagonizeBE so., to nettle so., to provoke so., to tantalizeAE so. to tantaliseBE also: tantalizeBE so.
13:09:28 <phenny> reizen (Kartenspiel) | reizte, gereizt | = to bid | bid, bid |
13:09:29 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=reizen
13:09:35 <sbp> and translates it as Lingerie
13:10:54 <[bjoern]> ANYWAY, apparently tests have shown that black lingerie often contains cancerous (scender win) materials
13:11:48 <sbp> strange
13:11:52 <sbp> why would they do that?
13:12:51 <[bjoern]> Good old combination of profit and females without undergarments.
13:13:22 <[bjoern]> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9A07E7DB1F39E433A25750C1A9609C94669ED7CF
13:13:57 <sbp> including i and t:
13:13:58 <sbp> counterexcommunication
13:14:19 <sbp> not including i and t:
13:14:20 <sbp> overnumerousness
13:15:22 <sbp> chuckle. I read that in exactly the right order
13:15:24 <sbp> * headline
13:15:27 <sbp> * contents
13:15:28 <sbp> * date
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13:17:54 <[bjoern]> "65 Absolutely Cool And Creative Twitter Backgrounds"
13:18:13 <sbp> bet I have a lower ID than all of 'em
13:18:36 <[bjoern]> what is the max length for twitter nicks? can one use _ or -?
13:18:47 <sbp> I don't know, on both counts
13:18:58 <sbp> given that it truncates the name of my country, probably not long enough
13:19:36 <sbp> why, are you signing up?
13:19:44 <sbp> try using unicode
13:19:49 <sbp> outside of the ascii range
13:20:03 <sbp> then complain massively when it doesn't allow it
13:20:21 <[bjoern]> hmm humans evolving chameleonic properties might be fun http://asset.soup.io/asset/0407/3828_059c.jpeg
13:20:50 <sbp> yeah, we have to stand next to big cocks all the time when we use public transport
13:21:02 <[bjoern]> the nick i have in mind has 26 chars.
13:21:05 <sbp> then again, we also have to stand next to complete tits
13:21:36 <sbp> hmm
13:21:42 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0407/3820_31a7_480.jpeg
13:22:02 <sbp> from this I take it that your middle name is made of 9 romanised letters
13:22:10 <sbp> unumlauted, that is
13:22:59 <[bjoern]> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0407/3801_fb9c_480.jpeg
13:23:20 <sbp> hmm, remind me to unumlaut any umlauted girl I ever cyber™ with
13:23:27 <sbp> "I strip you of your umlauten"
13:23:34 <sbp> "you are orthographically naked"
13:23:41 <[bjoern]> You infer incorrectly, but I do not confirm or deny your conclusion.
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13:31:45 <sbp> wow, Michael Fish is on
13:32:13 <[bjoern]> you never say things like that about people who are off.
13:33:26 <sbp> ahahaha: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8174583.stm
13:33:57 <jsled> .title http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/29/france.nicolas.sarkozy.health/
13:33:58 <phenny> jsled: Sarkozy tells France he is in rude health - CNN.com
13:34:22 *** sbp changed the topic to: ""Too many twits might make a twat." — David Cameron"
13:34:23 * jsled tells #swhack I am in shitrude health -- me
13:34:35 <sbp> we believe you already
13:34:56 <[bjoern]> "he regretted if the slip had caused any offence" != "Cameron sorry for radio swearing"
13:35:56 <sbp> ooh here we go, it's on the main news now
13:36:21 <sbp> chuckle, I think he's said Cameron didn't know the etymology, like Browning
13:36:30 <[bjoern]> I am not sure what the frenchmen find assuring about him recovering.
13:38:21 <sbp> the brilliant thing is that he said, immediately prior to it, that politicans have to think about what they say. and then later he had to apologise for the very next thing he said
13:38:48 <[bjoern]> why did you vote him into office again?
13:38:53 <[bjoern]> oh wait, you did not, hehe.
13:38:57 <sbp> right
13:39:57 <laplink> they should just switch the general elections to American Idol style SMS voting
13:40:12 <laplink> get it over with once and for all
13:40:58 <[bjoern]> Yeah, I don't know what sbp has against David Beckham as PM.
13:41:06 <[bjoern]> so far that's his only counter argument.
13:41:45 <laplink> Would it actually make any objective difference if he was PM?
13:42:06 <[bjoern]> we would discuss the PM's hair cut more.
13:44:10 <[bjoern]> "'They called me four-fingered freak'" - bbc
13:44:29 <[bjoern]> Yesterday I saw a duck tales cut scene with scrooge saying "Give me 4" or something much like that.
13:44:44 <sbp> he meant dollars, probably
13:45:24 <[bjoern]> You mean for his paper recycling plant?
13:45:39 <sbp> yeah
13:45:51 <sbp> or duck dollars, which might actually be worth something
13:46:20 <[bjoern]> The currency in Entenhausen is Taler and Kreuzer I am quite certain.
13:46:39 <sbp> makes sense to me
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13:46:57 <[bjoern]> most things do.
13:47:10 <sbp> except what you just said
13:47:30 <sbp> also, I would like to officially dissuade you from signing up to twitter
13:47:31 <[bjoern]> Which is what you expected, hence it makes sense.
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13:47:47 <[bjoern]> you've done it.
13:48:05 <sbp> even as a joke, or to make a point, or to confuse people, or as satire, or as criticism, or as a politically motivated point, or for prostitution, or to engage in terrorist acts abroad, or to induce people to send you dollars
13:48:33 <[bjoern]> But you may or may not enjoy it if I do
13:49:02 <sbp> either way, it's not a good idea
13:49:04 <sbp> observe:
13:49:04 <Monty> /google toast
13:49:13 <sbp> observe also:
13:49:15 <sbp> .gc twitterati
13:49:16 <phenny> twitterati: 50,700
13:49:20 <sbp> you'll be one of them
13:50:45 <[bjoern]> Thank you for making me wonder what merging technorati and twitter might come out as.
13:51:03 <[bjoern]> Just yesterday you posted a 20p guide for joining
13:51:15 <sbp> and thank you, once again, for draft-cheney-safe-01
13:51:35 <sbp> it's my own fault really, I should've read the backscroll
13:51:41 <sbp> and stopped at the URI, as advised
13:51:43 <[bjoern]> We should lay more blame on phenny for the Merkel pix.
13:51:50 <sbp> hmm, also agreed
13:52:14 <sbp> also, in my defence the guide was well written and informative, so nobody was bound to read it
13:55:44 <[bjoern]> I declare your twist logical.
13:56:39 <[bjoern]> .ety protocol
13:56:39 <phenny> "1541, as prothogall 'draft of a document,' from M.Fr. prothocole (c.1200), from M.L. protocollum 'draft,' lit. 'the first sheet of a volume' (on which contents and errata were written), from Gk. protokollon 'first sheet glued onto a manuscript,' from protos 'first' + [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=protocol
13:57:23 <[bjoern]> .leo Protokoll
13:57:25 <phenny> das Protokoll = journal, log, minutes no singular - of a meeting, printout (tech.), protocol (comp.) (elec.) (pol.)
13:57:25 <phenny> das Protokoll - bei Gericht = transcript (law)
13:57:26 <phenny> das Internet-Protokoll = Internet protocol (comp.)
13:57:27 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Protokoll
14:01:26 <sbp> Microsoft teams with Yahoo?
14:01:34 <sbp> .news Microsoft teams with Yahoo!
14:01:35 <phenny> sbp: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Microsoft-Bing-to-Power-Yahoo-Search-in-10Year-Deal-Aimed-at-Google-846826/
14:01:40 <sbp> aha
14:01:52 <sbp> well that pretty much fucks up Blind Search, then
14:02:18 <[bjoern]> Why, you just go from 3 to 2.
14:02:36 <sbp> yeah, but only Bing and Yahoo were any good
14:02:38 <[bjoern]> You could always include the Third Candidate.
14:02:56 <[bjoern]> That point is not the worst you've made.
14:03:28 <sbp> I was thinking it would be possible to make a pretty good search engine that just had Bing in one column and Yahoo in another
14:03:42 <sbp> now it'd have to be Bing and Ask Jeeves
14:03:45 <sbp> doesn't quite have the same impact
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14:19:37 <sbp> ooh, ooh
14:19:47 <sbp> Caitlin reviews Desperate Romantics:
14:19:48 <sbp> http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6725916.ece
14:19:55 <sbp> haven't read it yet, already presume it's going to be good
14:20:04 <sbp> in fact, it's not even loaded. COME ON!
14:20:55 <sbp> meanwhile: http://whythatsdelightful.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/live-the-dream.jpg?w=434&h=587
14:23:49 <sbp> “Desperate Romantics is so bone-deep cheesy that it appears to have been written with Primula, on Kraft Cheese Slices, and shot on location in Cheddar. By Steven Brielberg.”
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14:27:07 <sbp> hehe, someone's added the quote to Wikipedia already
14:27:10 <sbp> ++
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14:51:34 <sbp> hmm
14:51:35 <sbp> .title http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beatles-Box-Set-Remastered-Stereo/dp/B002BSHWUU
14:51:39 <phenny> sbp: The Beatles Box Set - Remastered in Stereo: The Beatles: Amazon.co.uk: Music
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15:29:46 <sbp> Monty: memorise this number: 8913748971394619453
15:29:48 <Monty> <[bjoern]> Did you confident I didn't happen
15:30:04 <sbp> Monty: tell [bjoern] yes, I confident
15:30:04 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll tell [bjoern] that next time I see them...
15:30:22 <sbp> Monty: also, remember my number. REMEMBER IT!
15:30:22 <Monty> Your number ?
15:30:29 <sbp> yeah, Monty. my number
15:30:31 <Monty> Danish Cumbria opens democratic insect?
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15:30:42 <Monty> hi dahut
15:30:42 <sbp> Monty: no, 8913748971394619453
15:30:45 <Monty> "he regretted if you're using mIRC is like :)
15:30:55 <sbp> dahut: remember 8913748971394619453
15:31:10 <[bjoern]> why remember 8913748971394619453, it's not even prime.
15:31:10 <Monty> Hey [bjoern], sbp asked me to tell you: yes, I confident [Wed Jul 29 16:31:32 BST 2009]
15:31:29 <sbp> what? what factor does it have other than one and itself?
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15:32:28 <[bjoern]> .c 8913748971394619453/3
15:32:28 <phenny> 8 913 748 971 394 619 453 / 3 = 2.97124966e18
15:32:39 <[bjoern]> .c 2.97124966e18*3
15:32:39 <phenny> 2.97124966e18 * 3 = 8.91374898e18
15:32:51 <sbp> pwnt by precision
15:33:05 <sbp> you should have used python
15:33:06 <[bjoern]> just the usual Googlefail
15:33:10 <sbp> yeah
15:33:11 <sbp> .py 8913748971394619453 / 3
15:33:13 <phenny> 2971249657131539817
15:33:29 <[bjoern]> see, not prime.
15:33:32 <sbp> okay, well, anyway. is 2971249657131539817 prime?
15:33:44 <[bjoern]> no
15:33:45 <sbp> .o wa is 2971249657131539817 prime?
15:33:47 <phenny> PrimeQ[2971249657131539817];False;p_maximum->{1,pi(2971249657131539817)} -> p_(maximum->{1,pi(2971249657131539817)}+1)
15:34:06 <sbp> come on, you can't divide that by three
15:34:27 <sbp> Swhack: The least efficient way of factorising a number
15:34:31 <[bjoern]> yes you can
15:34:40 <[bjoern]> .py 2971249657131539817/3
15:34:41 <phenny> 990416552377179939
15:34:45 <sbp> aw, stupid
15:34:50 <sbp> and I suppose that divides by three too?
15:34:56 <sbp> .py 990416552377179939 / 3
15:34:56 <phenny> 330138850792393313
15:35:05 <sbp> .py 330138850792393313 / 3
15:35:06 <phenny> 110046283597464437
15:35:10 <sbp> this is stupid
15:35:17 <sbp> .py 110046283597464437 / 3
15:35:18 <phenny> 36682094532488145
15:35:23 <[bjoern]> .o wa factor 2971249657131539817
15:35:24 <phenny> factor->2971249657131539817;3^2x11x12589x2384035491247(5 factors, 4 distinct)
15:35:48 <sbp> Monty: remember 2384035491247
15:35:50 <Monty> I reckon Barnards Star + lettuce = rectal repugnance ;)
15:36:26 <[bjoern]> Monty: help
15:36:26 <Monty> Help: I understand the following commands: help save stats time lookup thesaurus foldoc ignore remind tell random countdown seen javadoc acronym 'insult me' paper/scissors/stone calc day define/declare/set
15:36:28 <Monty> Help: To ask me for help about a certain command, try "Monty: help <command>"
15:36:36 <sbp> Monty: save 2384035491247
15:36:36 <Monty> Lets discuss further why your number .
15:36:41 <sbp> ...
15:36:59 <sbp> Monty: save
15:36:59 <[bjoern]> Monty's just trying to use his limited memory wisely
15:37:00 <Monty> I just saved my brain to disk; I bet it's bigger than yours :o)
15:37:02 <Monty> ANYWAY, apparently break them as blocked by precision
15:37:04 <[bjoern]> Monty: stats
15:37:04 <Monty> I have a vocabulary of 4343 words, 12 reminders pending, 13 outstanding welcome messages, seen 5709 different nicks and I was born on Mon Jul 27 18:39:25 BST 2009
15:37:07 <[bjoern]> Monty: help save
15:37:07 <Monty> Help: "Monty: save"
15:38:07 <[bjoern]> I used % openssl prime <num> btw for primality testing.
15:39:18 <sbp> man, it hexadecimalises
15:39:19 <sbp> $ openssl prime 19384981739487139847917349187347
15:39:19 <sbp> F4AC4111D13082573E68492F13 is not prime
15:40:09 <sbp> heh:
15:40:09 <sbp> $ openssl prime 912749182791794719741A918
15:40:09 <sbp> 317AF081CBF5027BFD is prime
15:40:16 <sbp> it just ignores the A, it seems
15:40:32 <sbp> which I think is a bad diea
15:40:48 <sbp> hmm. everything from the A onwards, perhaps, even
15:41:18 <sbp> $ openssl prime 9509816224099830681169761917
15:41:18 <sbp> 1EBA55EA815E65FF1B4F167D is prime
15:42:04 <sbp> .news Cameron twat
15:42:05 <phenny> sbp: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jul/29/david-cameron-apology-radio-twitter
15:42:16 <sbp> .title
15:42:18 <phenny> sbp: David Cameron says sorry for 'twat' comment during radio interview | Politics | guardian.co.uk
15:42:46 <sbp> 'He compounded the slip-up when he said people were "pissed off – sorry, I can't say that in the morning – angry with politicians".'
15:43:45 <sbp> "She said: 'No, it was the twat.' He said: 'That's not a swear word.' I think he must be posh, where a lot of them don't think twat is a swear word. His press secretary went: 'It is.'"
15:45:33 <[bjoern]> it probably truncates after non-digit
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15:55:34 <[bjoern]> .o wa factor 290709
15:55:37 <phenny> factor->290709;3^4x37x97(6 factors, 3 distinct)
15:55:40 <laplink> .ety twat
15:55:40 <phenny> "1656, of unknown origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=twat
15:55:49 <laplink> How… informative.
15:56:16 <[bjoern]> .o wa etymology twat
15:56:17 <phenny> twat->word origins;(unknown), (first recorded use: 1656 (353 years ago))
15:57:22 <laplink> Heh heh, the further comment on the web page is worth a gander.
15:59:01 <laplink> .wik Pippa Passes
15:59:01 <phenny> "Pippa Passes was a dramatic piece, as much play as poetry, by Robert Browning published in 1841 as the first volume of his Bells and Pomegranates series." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippa_Passes
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15:59:13 <Monty> But what does nslater have to do with the price of fish?
15:59:45 <laplink> «The word possibly originates from the Old Norse þveit meaning cut, slit, or forest clearing.» - .wik
16:00:23 <sbp> hehe
16:01:52 <[bjoern]> .o wa Freudenhaus
16:01:58 <phenny> Freudental,Baden-Wurttemberg,Germany;city population->2333 people;6:01 pm CEST -> Wednesday, July 29, 2009;81 deg F -> relative humidity: 32% -> wind: 1 mph;922 ft;Stuttgart,Baden-Wurttemberg->16 miles southhyphensoutheast->589793 people, Frankfurt,Hesse->79 miles northhyphennorthwest->643128 people, Munich,Bavaria->130 miles easthyphensoutheast->1
16:03:03 <[bjoern]> .o wa Magdeburg
16:03:05 <phenny> Magdeburg,Saxony-Anhalt,Germany;city population->226851 people;6:03 pm CEST -> Wednesday, July 29, 2009;81 deg F -> relative humidity: 34% -> wind: 8 mph;180 ft;Leipzig,Saxony->63 miles southhyphensoutheast->500093 people, Berlin->79 miles easthyphennortheast->3.384 million people
16:03:29 <[bjoern]> .gc southhyphensoutheast
16:03:30 <phenny> southhyphensoutheast: 1
16:04:44 <[bjoern]> .c 128km in miles
16:04:44 <phenny> 128 kilometers = 79.5355126 miles
16:06:25 <[bjoern]> The dummy coat looks ... wrong, especially with the map below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagebüll
16:08:14 <[bjoern]> I am kinda impressed by the number of translations
16:08:42 <[bjoern]> .gc Дагебюлль
16:08:42 <phenny> Дагебюлль: 277
16:08:56 <[bjoern]> http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Дагебюлль has a nice pix, considering its russian
16:10:03 <[bjoern]> the esperanto version lacks esperanto
16:11:09 <[bjoern]> I had not realised the similarity between http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagebøl and http://www.tomfarello.com/images/BLACK%20MAGE.jpg
16:13:51 <sbp> woah. “Dagebüll used to be a Hallig, the oldest houses were built on artificial dwelling hills which in parts can still be seen today. In 1704 the area was secured by sea dikes.”
16:14:09 <sbp> ex-hallig!
16:14:33 <[bjoern]> the coat on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagebüll is better than the en version
16:14:58 <Talliesin> .c 200ml in inches
16:14:58 <phenny> Talliesin: Sorry, no result.
16:16:49 <[bjoern]> I am concerned that http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Schimmelreiter has no translations
16:17:38 <[bjoern]> phenny, "Diese TV-Verfilmung war eine Co-Produktion zwischen der DDR und der Volksrepublik Polen. Die an der Nordsee spielenden Szenen wurden aus naheliegenden Gründen an der Ostseeküste der beiden Länder gedreht. Der Film wurde am 26. Dezember 1984 erstmals im DDR-Fernsehen gezeigt"?
16:17:39 <phenny> [bjoern]: "This TV adaptation was a co-production between the GDR and the People's Republic of Poland. The participants in the North Sea playing scenes were obvious reasons, on the Baltic coast of the two countries turned. The film was shot on 26 December 1984 the first time in the GDR-TV" (de to en, translate.google.com)
16:18:58 <sbp> hehe, I like Doogebel
16:19:29 <[bjoern]> mooring ftw.
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17:29:26 <fenn> .ent cookie
17:29:33 <sbp> .ent?
17:29:42 <[bjoern]> .leo Ente
17:29:44 <phenny> die Ente - Falschmeldung = canard
17:29:45 <phenny> die Ente = canard (aviat.), duck, hoax
17:29:45 <phenny> Ente - zum Kochen = canard (cook.)
17:29:46 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Ente
17:29:50 <fenn> isnt that a command for phenny?
17:29:50 <sbp> definitely a hoax
17:29:55 <sbp> nope?
17:30:03 <sbp> what would .ent mean, if not Ente?
17:30:10 <fenn> hmm
17:30:15 <fenn> etymology
17:30:16 <[bjoern]> .ety cookie
17:30:16 <phenny> "1703, Amer.Eng., from Du. koekje 'little cake,' dim. of koek 'cake,' from M.Du. koke (see cake)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=cookie
17:30:24 <[bjoern]> it's not entymology.
17:30:34 <fenn> i always get it mixed up with entomology :P
17:30:38 <sbp> yeah, that's the study of flying pancakes
17:30:39 <[bjoern]> the mos logos for entities?
17:31:19 <[bjoern]> .gc "that which is cut in pieces"
17:31:21 <phenny> "that which is cut in pieces": 42
17:34:13 <sbp> [bjoern]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83COjKukGOM
17:34:37 <sbp> extremely poor
17:34:41 <sbp> but Star Trek themed
17:35:41 <sbp> woah!
17:35:43 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8172310.stm
17:35:45 <phenny> sbp: BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Schumacher makes shock F1 return
17:36:46 <sbp> [[[
17:36:47 <sbp> The German racing legend has not driven an F1 car since April 2008 and now has just over three weeks to prepare himself for Valencia.
17:36:47 <sbp> The ban on in-season testing means Schumacher will not be able to turn a wheel of the 2009 specification Ferrari before first practice on Friday 21 August.
17:36:48 <sbp> ]]]
17:39:16 <[bjoern]> I saw that coming.
17:39:54 <[bjoern]> "Kirk has taken too much LSD, will he find a way to escape the troubles of his mind? Probably not, but at least the music is good..."
17:40:22 <[bjoern]> I must disagree.
17:41:12 <sbp> agreed with your disagreement
17:41:45 <[bjoern]> Schumacher's departure back in the day was pretty Schwarzeneggeresque if you ask me.
17:42:14 <sbp> hasta la he'll be back?
17:42:36 <sbp> I suppose it's a bit like Mansell coming back
17:42:41 <sbp> he won in Adelaide, I recall
17:42:47 <[bjoern]> I was hoping you'd come up with a better quote.
17:42:57 * clsn shut off Flash, what with the sploit.
17:43:00 <sbp> but then his last race he crashed out 22nd in a Mclaren, I think
17:43:35 <sbp> if Google wanted to sploit you, I'm sure they'd choose something a bit more professional than a youtube sploit
17:44:02 <[bjoern]> Please think that through again
17:44:35 <clsn> There is that.
17:44:48 <sbp> if Google wanted to sploit you, they'd just ravish your datastores for much lullery
17:45:11 <[bjoern]> slightly better
17:45:20 <clsn> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9135937/Almost_all_Windows_users_vulnerable_to_Flash_zero_day_attacks
17:45:34 <[bjoern]> that was on slashdot like days ago
17:46:13 <[bjoern]> "The German racing legend has not driven an F1 car since April 2008" I am sure that's incorrect. Surely he must be driving VIPs around like back in the day.
17:46:19 <clsn> Yeah, I'm kinda behind the times. However, the fact that it isn't *weeks* old tells me it's actually current.
17:46:43 <[bjoern]> You forget how much delay there is before things turn up on slashdot.
17:47:19 <[bjoern]> "Since retiring the German has occasionally taken part in motorcycle events but in February he suffered neck and back injuries in a bike accident."
17:49:28 * deltab turns on tv, sees Australian cricketers talking about auras
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18:01:18 <Monty> hey Morbus
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18:50:34 <sbp> technically, couldn't they test Schumacher in the 2008 car?
18:51:52 <[bjoern]> OH INTERESTING LETS GO AND CHECK FIA REGULATIONS
18:53:54 <sbp> hehe
18:54:54 <[bjoern]> My sarcasm license is one of my better investments.
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18:57:57 <sbp> “Track testing shall be considered any track running time undertaken by a competitor entered in the Championship with the exception of [some irrelevant stuff]” — Article 22.1
18:58:15 <sbp> so technically I think they could get away with it
18:58:25 <sbp> they could sell the 2008 car to FIAT, say
18:58:35 <sbp> and get Schumacher to drive it on a non-Ferrari track
18:58:46 <sbp> and that wouldn't be "undertaken by a competitor"
19:00:04 <sbp> this wouldn't be a good idea though, because that would circumvent some sensible looking safety regulations concerning the same
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21:30:06 <Monty> howdy, jeffarch
21:30:29 <MoiraA> sbp?
21:32:10 <deltab> MoiraA!
21:32:21 <MoiraA> hiya
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21:32:57 <deltab> I thought you'd given up on irc
21:33:11 <MoiraA> just about given up on life :(
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23:27:42 <MoiraA> phenny, tell sbp that if he wants it, I would like to buy him a freenode cloak
23:27:42 <phenny> MoiraA: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
23:28:03 <MoiraA> phenny, tell sbp this is a bribe to get a quote bot for our server
23:28:03 <phenny> MoiraA: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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