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00:00:42 <Monty2> hi kpreid, how ya doing?
00:06:33 <[[sroracle]]> Monty! Hey!
00:06:34 <Monty2> Lebailly continu
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03:04:22 <[bjoern]> http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/06/ny-times-mines-its-data-to-identify-words-that-readers-find-abstruse/?=sidelink
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03:06:23 <[bjoern]> .ety abstruse
03:06:23 <phenny> "c.1600, from L. abstrusus, pp. of abstrudere 'conceal,' lit. 'to thrust away,' from ab- 'away' + trudere 'to thrust, push' (see extrusion)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=abstruse
03:07:01 <[bjoern]> schadenfreude ersatz bildungsroman
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03:53:12 <MacTed> .ety brung
03:53:12 <phenny> "dial. p.t. and pp. of bring." - http://etymonline.com/?term=brung
04:18:03 <[bjoern]> .o wa weather mannheim
04:18:10 <phenny> weather->Mannheim, Germany;temperature->46 deg F (wind chill: 44 deg F), conditions->few clouds, relative humidity->87% (dew point: 43 deg F), wind speed->6 mph, (7 hours 28 minutes ago);name->EDFM (City), relative position->2 mi ESE (from center of Mannheim), relative elevation->(comparable to center of Mannheim), local time->5:18:07 am CET
04:18:21 <[bjoern]> what do you mean 7 hours ago...
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09:47:30 <sbp> yo
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09:57:10 <griff> yo sbp
09:57:16 <griff> waddup my homie from across the pond
09:58:13 <sbp> this brings up the obvious question of what west coasters call the Pacific
09:58:19 <sbp> and, say, Australians
09:58:27 <sbp> lake, perhaps?
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09:58:52 <griff> I don't think the proportions are quite right if we're considering the atlantic a pond
09:59:06 <griff> when does a pond become a lake?
09:59:25 <sbp> well consider the biggest sized pond and the smallest sized lake
09:59:34 <sbp> surely 2x biggest pond >= smallest lake?
09:59:54 <griff> I think the dimensions of said bodies of water vary depending on the region
10:00:16 <griff> In a dryer area, a smaller body of water would likely qualify as a lake whereas the same body of water in a wet region might be a pond
10:00:29 <griff> basically, I think the terms are subjective
10:00:43 <cre8radix> .
10:00:45 <griff> so aussies/west coasters might call the Pacific a pond as well
10:00:58 <griff> Oh, I asked an australian pal
10:01:02 <griff> his response was "Latency increaser"
10:01:06 <griff> there you have it
10:01:29 <sbp> yes, but that's not as funny
10:01:39 <sbp> latency increaser, on the other hand... lols
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10:06:36 <sbp> phenny: tell nsh “and while I entertain no pretension to future Master of the Mint” — muchos choxinadas!
10:06:36 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when nsh is around.
10:09:36 <sbp> .wik Heliograph
10:09:37 <phenny> "A Heliograph (Greek: Ἥλιος helios, meaning 'sun', and γραφειν graphein, meaning 'write') is a wireless solar telegraph that signals using Morse code flashes of sunlight reflected by a mirror." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliograph
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10:18:09 <Monty2> hi danja__
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13:07:18 <sbp> "Posters promoting a play starring actress Kelly Brook have had to be changed because buns covering her breasts were deemed to be too small."
13:07:24 <sbp> — http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8339076.stm
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13:36:12 <sbp> "Television ads for washing powder unashamedly equated the moral worth of the wife with the whiteness of her husband's shirts" — Daily Mail
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13:44:11 <sbp> they should do a cartoon of the Kelly Brook thing where a young man is in a tube station in front of the poster, shielding his eyes and shouting: "aaaagh! I was saving buns for my wedding night!"
13:44:47 <sbp> there was a cartoon in the Metro yesterday where a drug dealer is saying to someone "did you want an Alan Johnson Class B drug, or a scientist Class B drug?"
13:50:14 <sbp> comparison: http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/kellycakes500.jpg
13:50:49 <nslater> wtf is that comparison about pls?
13:50:55 <nslater> i see the buns are bigger on one, but why
13:52:44 <sbp> see above about a half dozen lines
13:52:50 <sbp> the first one was too rude for public display
13:52:56 <sbp> so they censored it, to become the second one
13:53:04 <sbp> Not Suitable for London Underground Viewing
13:53:34 <sbp> moderately funny:
13:53:34 <nslater> k
13:53:36 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8339710.stm
13:53:38 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Entertainment | ZZ Top star tells of Tube odyssey
13:53:52 <sbp> not sure why all the stories today are about the Tube
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13:54:44 <nsh> zomg
13:54:44 <phenny> nsh: 08 Oct 09:53Z <sbp> tell nsh http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/09/i-will-not-sign-this-letter.html
13:54:46 <phenny> nsh: 10:06Z <sbp> tell nsh “and while I entertain no pretension to future Master of the Mint” — muchos choxinadas!
13:54:51 <sbp> schockoladë, mein nshendant
13:55:12 <nsh> this means i have a not-so-crippled internets again
13:55:16 <nsh> also, eiyo
13:55:55 <nsh> also, i've just spent the last 16 hours in bed, which is probably not healthy
13:56:17 <sbp> as long as most of them were spent fucking hot young bintsauces, it's fine
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13:56:49 <nsh> vanishingly few despoignantly
13:56:56 <nsh> lot
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13:57:34 <nsh> very strange dreams, but completely evanescent
13:58:29 <sbp> hmm, bintshapes would probably have been better
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13:58:55 <sbp> wonder what the equivalent term for a man is
13:59:03 <sbp> hunktodgers
13:59:04 <sbp> heh
13:59:07 <nsh> heh
13:59:50 <nsh> mebbe hirsutub
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14:00:04 <nsh> no, that doesn't work for some reason
14:00:08 <sbp> no...
14:00:32 <nsh> marsbag
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14:00:41 <sbp> lols, what?
14:00:53 <nsh> as opposed to venuslot
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14:00:58 <nsh> no idea
14:01:05 <sbp> it's hard for men
14:01:09 <sbp> it's never hard for women
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14:01:39 <nsh> hmmm
14:02:28 <sbp> nsh: oh, also, "annus mirabilis"
14:02:34 <sbp> is I think what you were after somewhere
14:02:40 <sbp> not to be confused with anus mirabilis
14:02:44 <sbp> which is an ENTIRELY different concept
14:02:46 <nsh> oh, does seem like
14:02:53 <nsh> can't remember the gropecontext though
14:03:04 <nsh> oh, for newton?
14:03:07 <sbp> yeah
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14:04:00 <nsh> rightos
14:04:16 <nsh> vonglars
14:04:22 <nsh> .g vonglars
14:04:22 <phenny> nsh: http://beta2.clip.vn/mytv/442online/bloglite?opt=detail&id=1982&title=Pizarro-gan-bo-lau-dai-voi-Bremen
14:04:43 <nsh> .wik .vn
14:04:44 <phenny> ".vn is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Vietnam." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.vn
14:04:49 <nsh> cool
14:04:58 <sbp> nah, you need something more like... giggopex
14:05:01 <sbp> ...no
14:05:16 <sbp> meatfox
14:05:24 <sbp> meatbear?
14:05:27 <sbp> see, it just doesn't work
14:06:04 <nsh> yeah
14:06:06 <sbp> we're building here on thousands of years of men being complete berks to women. they're never going to catch up in terms of rich demeaning nomenclature for men, just isn't going to happen
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14:06:41 <nsh> absent some highly sadistic social strictures
14:07:03 <sbp> like that Two Ronnies sketch they used to do
14:07:17 <nsh> novoamazonian demeancamps
14:07:25 <sbp> where women in very tight leather used to rule the world and force men to cook and clean and wear stupid annyoing frocks and have prissy names
14:07:33 <sbp> like "Angela"
14:07:34 <nsh> zklty
14:08:05 <sbp> (to any future dates named Angela: didn't mean it)
14:08:26 * nsh had majnashunflash of large woman made of dates
14:08:31 <nsh> demanding equal respects for angelas
14:08:35 <sbp> hehe
14:08:50 <nsh> with this freshcranial, i'll go find some breakfast
14:08:53 <nsh> lettahs
14:09:02 <sbp> you should keep some in your mouth for emergencies like this
14:09:03 <sbp> c'ya
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14:22:17 <sbp> “I am tempted to send them a consignment of banjos and a knit-your-own-witch novelty gift set.” — http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/03/liz-truss-women-politics
14:23:32 <sbp> "But Truss had the courage and ambition to enter British politics." — sounds like politics entered *her* ([duck])
14:24:22 <sbp> this might be one of the least well written pieces of satire ever:
14:24:24 <sbp> [[[
14:24:25 <sbp> The Truss affair has been noted as a battle between Tory "modernisers" and Tory "floggers", and this is true. It is also about the guava v turnip schism in the Tory party, and I am interested to see what colour soup will emerge when the battle is over. Brown, I suspect.
14:24:26 <sbp> ]]]
14:25:32 * sbp reads http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/6483857/Elizabeth-Truss-is-making-feathers-fly-in-rural-Norfolk.html too
14:26:28 <sbp> haha. "David Davis, who should know better, has condemned the constituency for not Googling Miss Truss before the selection to find out about her."
14:27:12 <sbp> hmm. less annoying than the Guardian article, but no less baffling
14:30:14 <sbp> it seems strange that both the Guardian and the Telegraph are taking pot shots at the Conservative party, when I wonder if it might not be more indicative of the general Tory voter
14:30:57 <sbp> aren't they most likely to deselect her if they think she won't win the election? and a stain on your record is something they have to consider about that, not with respect to what they think about the stain, but what the public will think
14:31:56 <nsh> "make a wanton"?
14:32:01 <nsh> .w wanton
14:32:03 <phenny> wanton — noun: 1. A pampered or coddled person, 2. An overly playful person — verb: 1. (intr.) To act wantonly; become wanton, 2. (trans.) To waste or squander, especially in pleasure (often with away) — adjective: 1. (obsolete) Undisciplined, unruly; not able to be controlled, 2. Lewd, i[...]
14:32:06 <sbp> yeah, make a wanton out of her
14:32:16 <sbp> "lewd person"
14:32:18 <nsh> hadn't encountered the noun before
14:33:00 <sbp> .gc "she was a rash woman and a wanton"
14:33:01 <phenny> "she was a rash woman and a wanton": 0
14:33:09 <sbp> .gc "woman and a wanton"
14:33:09 <phenny> "woman and a wanton": 10
14:33:22 <nsh> hmm
14:34:36 <sbp> and anyway, politics is brutal
14:34:40 <sbp> outstandingly brutal
14:35:01 * nsh nods
14:35:19 <nsh> they should have a touch-rugby version of politics
14:35:22 <nsh> for a month each year
14:35:29 <nsh> (july, most likely)
14:35:41 <clsn> phenny: tell Talliesin What would be a good k-sentence (for k<5) description of Wicca for my 12-year-old daughter?
14:35:42 <phenny> clsn: I'll pass that on when Talliesin is around.
14:36:05 <nsh> where everything is kind of wrapped in cotton-wool and the slurs are all made of, well, a papery substance
14:40:14 <sbp> and where policies are passed around like herpes
14:40:27 <sbp> (now that's satire)
14:41:21 <sbp> hmm, I wonder how safe the Truss constituency is
14:41:51 <nsh> what did you think, btw sbp, of "from which we mortgage the calculus"?
14:41:57 <nsh> i'm not sure it quite conveys
14:42:22 <nsh> the idea is that we are indebted to the work, but reap from it a greater dividend through repayment
14:42:26 <sbp> this one I believe:
14:42:27 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_West_Norfolk_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
14:42:40 <sbp> nsh: I liked it, and it made me think
14:42:54 <nsh> a dastardly combination!
14:43:16 <sbp> oh, huge Conservative majority. pfft. what are they even worrying about
14:43:26 <sbp> yeah, just needs some jelly now
14:44:06 <nsh> *turgical jelly
14:44:27 <nsh> .w meliturgy
14:44:28 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for meliturgy.
14:44:37 <sbp> .w metallurgy
14:44:38 <phenny> metallurgy — noun: 1. The science of metals; their extraction from ores, purification and alloying, heat treatment, and working
14:44:43 <nsh> [Etymology: a. F. melliturgie (Cotgr.), ad. Gr. μελιτουργία honey-making (but the true reading is perh. μελιττουργία bee-keeping).][a. F. melliturgie (Cotgr.), ad. Gr. _mu__epsilon__lambda__iota__tau__omicron__upsilon__rho__gamma__giacu__alpha_ honey-making (but the true reading is perh. _mu__epsilon__lambda__iota__tau__tau__omicron__upsilon__rho__gamma__giacu__alpha_ bee-keeping).]
14:44:57 <nsh> 1620 T. Granger Div. Logike 180 [Subjects of Virgil's Georgics] Georgie, dendrographie, Ktenotrophie, melliturgie. 1656 Blount Glossogr., Melliturgie (Fr.), the making of honey, Bees-work.
14:45:06 <nsh> it's a bit marginal
14:45:16 <nsh> but honeyjelly would be nice mebbes
14:45:41 <sbp> you know, honey is one of only two foods that keep forever
14:45:51 <sbp> the other are good quality biscuits, if properly stored
14:45:53 <nsh> honey and ?!?!?!?!?
14:45:59 <nsh> ah
14:46:09 <nsh> and people do not see purpose in creation...
14:46:11 <sbp> honey works because the sugar content is just right enough that it's too yummy for bacteria. they basically suffocate in their own food
14:46:13 <sbp> hehe
14:46:30 <nsh> xesturgy is apparently the process of polishing
14:46:36 <nsh> might try and bring that one back
14:46:45 <sbp> you can't xesturge a turd
14:46:54 <nsh> quite
14:47:13 <nsh> turdxesturgist
14:47:17 <nsh> new slight of choice
14:47:30 <nsh> it has good rhythm
14:47:44 <sbp> the dx bit is jarring though
14:47:49 <sbp> like the nq in tranquil
14:48:13 <nsh> yeah
14:48:27 <nsh> it's like a mainspring that forces the pendulum of the word
14:48:32 <nsh> or something
14:48:36 <sbp> we need some punctuation vowels
14:48:43 <sbp> like they have in... uh, Ge'ez I think
14:48:50 <nsh> mmm
14:49:04 <sbp> I suppose like diacritics, only I'm thinking they'd be infix
14:49:18 <nsh> between letters?
14:49:20 <sbp> yeah
14:49:24 <nsh> ok
14:50:19 * nsh tries to think of a reference
14:50:36 <nsh> bruno and silvie
14:50:53 <sbp> Sylvia?
14:50:54 <nsh> there was some part about marrying formalised gesture to speech
14:50:55 <nsh> that one
14:50:58 <sbp> Carroll?
14:51:10 <nsh> yeah him
14:51:16 <sbp> hmm
14:51:27 <sbp> like sign language?
14:51:30 <nsh> yeah
14:51:42 <nsh> something about tracing a question-mark, or parenthesis during an utterance
14:52:02 <sbp> oh wait, question-mark...
14:52:09 <sbp> I know the perfect gesture for question-mark
14:52:13 <sbp> hang on, might take me a mo
14:52:43 <nsh> ok
14:52:51 <nsh> why the hell is bruno and sylvia "snippet view"?
14:52:56 <nsh> Sylvia and Bruno
14:52:57 <nsh> Lewis Carroll - Fiction - 1893
14:52:57 <nsh> Snippet view
14:53:48 <nsh> stupid googbooks
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14:54:30 <sbp> yeah, that's annoying
14:54:32 <sbp> nsh: http://imagebin.ca/img/YCa1fx.gif
14:54:50 <nsh> lol
14:55:00 <nsh> awesome tilt
14:55:07 <sbp> yeah. the Question Tilt
14:55:17 <nsh> oh
14:55:30 <nsh> they should make a version of question-time where you have to gesticulate wildly
14:55:34 <nsh> and school-children translate
14:55:38 <sbp> haha
14:55:38 <nsh> and call it question-tilt
14:55:46 <nsh> i would watch
14:56:39 <nsh> .gc "redolent rot"
14:56:40 <phenny> "redolent rot": 0
14:56:49 <nsh> .gc "redolent crotch"
14:56:50 <phenny> "redolent crotch": 0
14:56:50 <sbp> David Davis, conservative, translated by Milly Wetherspoon: "when I am prime minister, I will make Hannah Montana my assistant"
14:56:54 <nsh> lol
14:57:00 <sbp> [David Davis nods to indicate this is indeed what he meant]
14:57:05 * nsh chox
14:57:58 <nsh> what's the term for stomach-grumbling?
14:58:25 <sbp> peristaltial peturbations in the gutdomain
14:58:36 <sbp> I suppose that's more of a phrase than a term
14:59:14 <sbp> .w borborygmus
14:59:14 <phenny> borborygmus — noun: 1. A rumbling sound made by the movement of gas in the intestines heard from a distance
14:59:19 <sbp> there you go
14:59:19 <Monty2> rightos
14:59:58 <nsh> i likes
15:00:19 <nsh> what regexen does infomeshoed parse?
15:00:26 <sbp> I especially like "heard from a distance"
15:00:29 <nsh> could you search for repeated three-letter participles?
15:00:32 <sbp> hmm, it's probably pcre
15:01:09 <nsh> so (\w\w\w){3} probs
15:01:19 <sbp> yeah. if not, it'll be shell-extended
15:01:31 * nsh tries
15:01:36 <sbp> well, \w\w\w {3} is just \w\w\w\w\w\w\w\w\w
15:01:48 <sbp> it won't capture the same ones
15:01:54 <nsh> oh
15:01:55 <sbp> for that you'd need to do backreferences
15:01:58 <nsh> rights
15:02:00 * nsh maekreads
15:02:09 <sbp> so you'd need to do a named capture:
15:02:18 <sbp> (?<x>\w\w\w)
15:02:22 <sbp> then backrefer to it twice
15:02:30 <sbp> (?=<x>)(?=<x>)
15:02:34 <sbp> or something like that
15:02:40 <sbp> your actual country's syntax may vary
15:02:47 * nsh smiles
15:02:47 <sbp> please contact your consulate for more information
15:03:22 <sbp> http://docs.python.org/library/re.html
15:03:35 <sbp> (?P<name>...)
15:03:44 <sbp> and (?P=name)
15:03:48 <sbp> so intuitive
15:04:24 <nsh> (\w\w\w)\1 mebbe?
15:04:47 <sbp> don't think so, \1 usually only works in replacements I think
15:04:49 <sbp> mebs though
15:05:02 <nsh> seems to enworken
15:05:15 <sbp> wow
15:05:32 * nsh adds preceeding asterisk too
15:05:39 <sbp> purpuriferous
15:05:46 <nsh> .w purpuriferous
15:05:47 <Monty2> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8339710.stm
15:05:47 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for purpuriferous.
15:05:49 <phenny> Monty2: BBC NEWS | Entertainment | ZZ Top star tells of Tube odyssey
15:05:51 <Monty2> I reckon sofas + castration = Job Center.
15:05:57 <sbp> .oed purpuriferous
15:05:57 <phenny> purpuriferous (ety. f. L. purpura purple dye + -f...) * Producing purple; also Zool., of or pertaining to the Purpurifera, a division of gastropods containing those which yield the purple dye.
15:06:03 <nsh> awesome
15:06:24 <nsh> also ZOOOOL
15:06:38 <sbp> ZOOOOL
15:06:44 * nsh wonders what zool's up to these days
15:06:55 <sbp> email her, ask her that shit
15:07:02 <nsh> meh, that wouldn
15:07:08 <nsh> t give me an answer right now
15:07:15 <sbp> yeah, I hear ya
15:07:16 <nsh> and tomorrow i could be a squid
15:07:28 <nsh> WHAT WOULD A SQUID DO WITH THAT INFOS HUH?!?!
15:07:33 <nsh> there would be calamity
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15:07:50 <nsh> .oed singing cake
15:07:51 <phenny> singing cake (no ety.)...) * †1. = singing bread. Obs., * †b. Used as a wafer for sealing with. Obs., * 2. Sc. A cake given to singers on Hogmanay.
15:08:01 <sbp> [bjoern]: what would a squid do with zool information?
15:08:32 <sbp> [bjoern]: "Posters promoting a play starring actress Kelly Brook have had to be changed because buns covering her breasts were deemed to be too small." -> http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/kellycakes500.jpg
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15:09:04 <Monty2> Thank goodness, laplink is back!
15:09:19 <nsh> lols
15:09:20 <[bjoern]> drool it in wool to keep it cool?
15:09:24 <sbp> live from the Maldives, it's! the laplink and Swhack show!
15:09:40 <sbp> wrap it in smack to make it elapse
15:09:46 <sbp> no wait, that didn't rhyme
15:09:50 <sbp> despite my best attempts
15:09:53 <laplink> ¡Hola!
15:10:09 <[bjoern]> I had not realized the change in language on the maldives.
15:10:10 <sbp> laplink: so I hear you're properly European now?
15:10:18 <sbp> unlike me, stuck out on my primitive little island
15:10:22 * nsh raises a cheer
15:11:01 <nsh> oh, this came from your reference to bacon's idols, sbp: http://www.scienceandyou.org/articles/ess_20.shtml
15:11:39 <laplink> Well, I'm not sure the Catalonians consider themselves part of Europe.
15:11:51 <sbp> the title and subtitle are hilarious so far
15:11:56 <sbp> laplink: what about the Occitanians?
15:11:58 <laplink> They hardly acknowledge any connexion with Spain.
15:12:32 <sbp> 'Crudely put, it goes like this: "I'm right" (the thesis); "You're wrong" (the antithesis); "Maybe we're both right" (the synthesis).'
15:12:47 <laplink> .wik Catalonia
15:12:47 <phenny> "Catalonia (Catalan: Catalunya; Spanish: Cataluña; Aranese; Catalonha) is an Autonomous Community in northeast Spain." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia
15:13:12 <laplink> The fact that the name is given in Catalan, and in Catalan first, is… reflective of reality.
15:13:51 <sbp> nsh: wow, this article makes no mention at all of Pascal's outstanding philosophical, literary, and religious contributions
15:14:02 <nsh> yeah
15:14:07 <nsh> though it is from scienceandyou.org
15:14:14 <nsh> but that's hardly worth a by on that
15:15:33 <sbp> laplink: are you in a coffee shop/
15:15:37 <sbp> s!/!?!
15:15:42 <sbp> perchance
15:16:02 <laplink> Nope, just got back from the nearest Starbucks and a lovely Vanilla Doubleshot.
15:16:03 <sbp> .wik Aranese
15:16:04 <phenny> "Aranese (Occitan: aranés) is a standardized form of the Pyrenean Gascon variety of the Occitan language spoken in the Aran Valley, in northwestern Catalonia on the border between Spain and France, where it is one of the three official languages besides Catalan and Spanish." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aranese
15:17:46 <clsn> sbp: consider Victor Borge's spoken punctuation.
15:17:55 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Swhack: crudely put, it goes like this: "we're right" (the thesis), "you're wrong" (the antithesis), "let's go down the pub" (the inebriensis)"
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15:18:04 <sbp> .wik Victor Borge
15:18:05 <phenny> "Victor Borge (pronounced [ˈborgə] 'BOR-guh'; January 3, 1909 – December 23, 2000), born Børge Rosenbaum, was a Danish comedian, conductor and pianist, affectionately known as The Clown Prince of Denmark, The Unmelancholy Dane, and The Great Dane." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Borge
15:18:49 <clsn> You never heard his stuff? Absolutely hilarious.
15:19:12 <clsn> I'm sure Youtube has plenty of examples.
15:19:26 <nsh> Borge played his first major concert in 1926 at the Danish concert-hall Odd Fellow Palæet (The Odd Fellow's Lodge building)
15:19:34 <nsh> that's a nice name for a hall
15:19:37 <[bjoern]> Thanks, but we are still recovering from the last 'danish comedian'
15:19:37 <nsh> .wik Oddfellow
15:19:37 <phenny> "The name Oddfellows refers to a number of friendly societies operating in the United Kingdom." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oddfellow
15:19:54 <sbp> who turned out not to be danish at all
15:20:14 <clsn> The last one? Or was Borge there first?
15:22:04 <clsn> Consider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF4qii8S3gw (I haven't viewed it yet, but I presume it's right). He actually does mostly musical humor, which is brilliant.
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15:31:15 <sbp> 1. FEWER WOMEN'S CLOTHES SHOPS
15:31:23 <sbp> 2. MORE EMPTY SHOPS
15:31:31 <sbp> 3. RISE OF THE DISCOUNT STORE
15:31:39 <sbp> 4. MORE CHARITY SHOPS
15:31:46 <sbp> 5. SMALLER SUPERMARKETS MOVE IN
15:31:53 <sbp> — http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8318595.stm
15:32:08 <[bjoern]> So, that's not your program for the coming election?
15:32:21 <sbp> it is now
15:38:48 <griff> :-)
15:39:54 <sbp> “A South Yorkshire man claims to be allergic to his wife and says he comes out in a rash whenever he goes near her.”
15:40:25 <sbp> “A luckless Indian romeo is suing Lynx after he failed to land a single girlfriend during seven years of using their products.”
15:42:06 <sbp> that's actually worth reading the whole thing:
15:42:06 <sbp> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3542183.html
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15:43:31 <[bjoern]> He should have used monies instead perhaps.
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15:45:50 <clsn> wow, if ads like that had to be truthful all along things would have been SO different
15:45:50 <Monty2> sure, I'll pass an Ubuntu lore, though.
15:46:31 <sbp> “It is a shame that girls have to get their kit off to generate feminist debate.” — http://cambridgetab.co.uk/uncategorized/tab-totty-the-photographer-speaks-out/
15:47:14 <[bjoern]> Why?
15:47:42 <sbp> the article doesn't explain
15:47:44 <sbp> .title http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3539376.html
15:47:45 <phenny> sbp: Ananova - Giant breasts shock China
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15:48:12 <sbp> --
15:48:13 <sbp> One local mum, called Liang, complained: "The park used to be a great place for families, but now what attracts my son the most is the huge breasts.
15:48:13 <sbp> "I have tried to educate him with some scientific knowledge, but all he thinks when he sees the statue are smutty thoughts."
15:48:13 <sbp> --
15:48:58 <sbp> one person even tried to fit the sculpture with a giant bra
15:49:37 <sbp> oh this is a good one: "A video game fan proposed to his girlfriend with gold coins in a specially-designed level of Super Mario World."
15:50:10 <[bjoern]> Too obvious.
15:50:24 <sbp> apparently there's a video on youtube if anyone's interested
15:50:31 <sbp> also in the news, edible plates
15:50:40 <sbp> the only thing I wonder about this is what you eat them on
15:50:48 <[bjoern]> Thanks, remind me that I'm hungry.
15:51:04 <[bjoern]> Hunger and appetite I would imagine.
15:51:07 <sbp> so hungry you could eat a plate
15:51:14 <[bjoern]> extreme plate craving perhaps too
15:52:01 <sbp> "The owner of a car with the personalised number plate 'XXXXXXX' has received parking fines for every unidentified car in his city."
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15:52:44 <[bjoern]> Bet he saw that coming.
15:53:11 <sbp> "People often hire me to paint them, mostly women. Sometimes a man will hire me to paint his wife or girlfriend as a birthday present." — for him, or her?
15:53:59 <sbp> "A Saudi woman is seeking a divorce after discovering her husband had nicknamed her 'Guantanamo' on his mobile phone."
15:54:14 <[bjoern]> that one is old
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15:54:52 <sbp> haha: "A town's entire police force has quit in Hungary after winning more than £10 million in the lottery."
15:55:54 <sbp> "Creators of a calendar of Swiss farm girls have been slammed - after one of the models turned out to be German."
15:56:29 <sbp> http://www.ananova.com/images/web/1539821.jpg
15:56:33 <sbp> — Miss April
15:56:39 <[bjoern]> which one?
15:57:17 <sbp> Johanna Saenger
15:57:22 <sbp> [right]
15:57:27 <sbp> --
15:57:28 <sbp> One angry Swiss model told a local radio station: "It is not as if there are not enough good-looking Swiss girls.
15:57:28 <sbp> "There was no reason for them to take a German girl."
15:57:29 <sbp> --
16:00:30 <sbp> "The Tate Modern has unveiled its latest giant installation - 40ft of pitch darkness."
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16:00:38 <sbp> what would we do without modern art, eh?
16:01:45 <[bjoern]> call classic art "neo"?
16:02:20 <sbp> will probably only be legible to Brits, but: "What women see in Russell Brand and why Cheryl Cole is still with husband Ashley are among the mysteries of modern life, according to a new poll."
16:03:09 <sbp> foreign call centres and twitter also scored highly
16:03:15 <[bjoern]> You could have just used wildcards instead of those names.
16:03:19 <sbp> and the Tube
16:03:23 <Monty2> nsh-of-sorts: You asked me to remind you to go find Gordan Rugg and give him a verbal kick in the arrogative balls
16:03:35 <sbp> heh!
16:04:17 <sbp> "A US pensioner nearly ate her own hearing aid when she mistook it for a chocolate sweet." — she might need glasses
16:04:38 <[bjoern]> "Don't blame me, it didn't scream!"
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16:06:37 <sbp> "An Edinburgh lollipop man has quit over claims he was told not to high-five children or give them sweets."
16:07:12 <sbp> ahahaha: "A Ministry of Defence document advising staff how to stop documents leaking onto the internet has been leaked onto the internet."
16:07:47 <[bjoern]> Ooh how shocking in a country that prohibits parents to join their children on the playground.
16:07:56 <[bjoern]> that is also very old
16:08:07 <sbp> well they're a danger if they haven't been screened
16:09:08 <[bjoern]> Don't tell most cases of abuse happen inside families.
16:11:39 <laplink> I'm strongly in favour of screening as a prerequisite for issuing parental licenses.
16:11:42 <sbp> but they do!
16:11:43 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8340561.stm
16:11:45 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | UK | First £1,000 rail fare criticised
16:12:15 <sbp> laplink: it's simple. if you can't work out how to use a condom, you shouldn't be allowed to have children
16:13:01 <laplink> Yeah, that would pretty much cover it.
16:13:12 <sbp> disturbing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/
16:13:27 <sbp> I can see every UK legislative assembly, except for Scotland
16:14:19 <[bjoern]> "Czech President Vaclav Klaus has signed the European Union's Lisbon Treaty" oh the joy
16:14:24 <sbp> \
16:14:28 <sbp> /
16:14:29 <laplink> I'mk glad to hear you include the European Parliament in that statement.
16:15:04 <laplink> kglad
16:15:40 <sbp> here it is: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/UK_MoD_Manual_of_Security_Volumes_1%2C_2_and_3_Issue_2%2C_JSP-440%2C_RESTRICTED%2C_2389_pages%2C_2001
16:16:22 <sbp> the Lisbon Treaty means we all get 15% more sweets, right?
16:16:56 <[bjoern]> Would the implied sweets in http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8339647.stm count?
16:17:18 <sbp> "The Treaty of Lisbon will also make the Union's human rights charter, the Charter of Fundamental Rights, legally binding." — except for the Czech Republic...
16:17:36 <sbp> mmm... implied sweets. yeah, I saw that one already
16:17:39 <sbp> but forgot to factor it in
16:18:07 <sbp> *in the
16:18:23 <sbp> (i.e. in the Czech...)
16:19:58 <[bjoern]> Oh the UK also carefully opted out.
16:20:21 <laplink> Bad Brits, no Human Rights for you!
16:20:56 <sbp> who says we're human?
16:21:17 <[bjoern]> Well there is not enough fighting for you to be friendly combatants.
16:21:22 * sbp leaks [bjoern] and laplink to the internet
16:21:36 * laplink revokes any human rights currently or previously, either epxress or impled, granted sbp…
16:22:05 <sbp> we have a Bill of Rights, but I think they're for the Old Bill
16:22:45 <laplink> Do you have a John of Wrong then?
16:22:48 <[bjoern]> .o wa weather Magdeburg
16:22:56 <phenny> weather->Magdeburg, Germany;temperature->46 deg F (wind chill: 45 deg F), relative humidity->93% (dew point: 45 deg F), wind speed->3 mph, (33 minutes ago);, ->-> -> , minimum: 30 deg F, Sat, Oct 31, 7:45am->average: 45 deg F, ->maximum: 55 deg F, Wed, Oct 28, 1:45pm, ..., -> -> ;, ->previous week: overcast: 35.1% (1.5 days) -> clear: 0% (0 mi
16:23:04 <[bjoern]> .c 46 F in C
16:23:07 <phenny> 46 degrees Fahrenheit = 7.77777778 degrees Celsius
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16:24:36 <sbp> probably in Lincolnshire somewhere
16:25:52 <sbp> .weather Megdeburg
16:25:53 <phenny> No ICAO code found, sorry
16:25:55 <sbp> .weather Magdeburg
16:25:57 <phenny> EDBM: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
16:26:04 <sbp> sniffle
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16:55:33 <Talliesin> clsn, what's a k-sentence?
16:55:33 <phenny> Talliesin: 14:35Z <clsn> tell Talliesin What would be a good k-sentence (for k<5) description of Wicca for my 12-year-old daughter?
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16:55:55 <clsn> k is some number < 5. i.e. a few sentences.
16:56:26 <[bjoern]> (he means a short description.)
16:56:48 <nsh> heh: http://www.lafdc.com/captcha/
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16:59:02 <Talliesin> Ah ha.
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17:01:50 <Talliesin> I normally go with "Wicca is the priesthood of a collection of related mystery tradition, fertility cults, practising cross-gender initiation and witchcraft, holding a shared initiatory lineage to certain covens in the New Forest region of England." and then go into each of those in turn.
17:02:11 <Talliesin> With children I normally say "oh, we're witches" and then go by their questions.
17:02:26 <Talliesin> But lets try.
17:02:43 <[bjoern]> "Ah, so it's just sex drugs n rock"
17:03:03 <Talliesin> We're priests and priestesses; all of us work the rituals of our gods.
17:03:32 <Talliesin> Mystery tradition; some things are taught not by lessons but by experiences of certain rituals.
17:03:50 <laplink> A bunch of pervs and druggies.
17:03:50 <clsn> I just read her your longer one, which may be a bit much. She's only 12, but she's a really sharp kid. She's not that interested anyway (certainly not by now, she hasn't the attention span), but it was mentioned somewhere along the line in a TV show and she was surprised to hear that Wicca really existed.
17:04:25 <laplink> And your parents would go ape if you joined them.
17:04:28 <Talliesin> Fertility cult; we honour the way that the cycles of life and death affect everything living in the world, including us.
17:04:54 <Talliesin> Men are initiated by women, and vice-versa, all going back to some groups in the New Forest area of England.
17:05:03 <Talliesin> That parsable by your kid.
17:05:55 <Talliesin> laplink: She's too young for the priesthood anyway, we'd tell her to come back in 6 years, or better in about 17 years.
17:06:10 <clsn> Ah, OK, the "cross-gender initiation" I didn't understand either until you explained it.
17:07:14 <Talliesin> But there's also a much wider and looser definition of Wicca.
17:07:29 <Talliesin> Indeed, the whole point of my forthcoming book is comparing the looser and narrower definitions.
17:08:24 <sbp> first question probably being:
17:08:26 <clsn> Fair enough. I read some of the preliminary material of the book, I remember you discuss that.
17:08:28 <sbp> "lol men can't be witches??"
17:09:01 <clsn> (It's being used in some Scooby-Doo movie basically as a more positive synonym for "witch", I think)
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17:09:23 <clsn> (witch having negative connotations, or at least pre-existing ones, in most people's vocabularies)
17:09:39 <sbp> well, not the first from clsn's kiddo I'll bet
17:09:54 <sbp> .w witch
17:09:56 <phenny> witch — noun: 1. (archaic or dialectal) A man who practises witchcraft, 2. A woman who is learned in and actively practices witchcraft — verb: 1. (obsolete) To practise witchcraft, 2. To bewitch
17:09:56 <sbp> .oed witch
17:09:58 <phenny> witch (ety. OE. wicca wk. masc. (see next...) * A man who practises witchcraft or magic; a magician, sorcerer, wizard. See also white witch., * b. fig.
17:09:59 <sbp> .wik witch
17:10:01 <phenny> "Witchcraft, in various historical, anthropological, religious and mythological contexts, is the use of certain kinds of supernatural or magical powers." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch
17:10:05 <sbp> ha, that's funny
17:10:12 <sbp> he-witch, "archaic or dialectal"
17:10:24 <Talliesin> clsn: "Scooby-Doo and the Witches Ghost" or the later "Scooby-Doo and the Legend of the Vampire" that has the same characters?
17:10:29 <sbp> wonder when that slipped out of use
17:10:44 * sbp enquires of the Big Dictionary
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17:11:20 <clsn> To most people, esp kids watching Scooby-Doo, a witch conjures up (!) the image with the hook nose, warts, pointy hat, cackle, etc.
17:11:39 <clsn> Didn't catch the title. One of the "new" ones, not from the classic eras.
17:11:51 <Talliesin> Are they in New England or Australia?
17:12:01 <[bjoern]> Note how men, unlike women, do not have to learn witchcraft before practising it.
17:12:11 <sbp> last recorded usage in OED is 1913
17:12:23 <Talliesin> (If it's the New England one, then wart-nose is coming up towards the end)
17:12:23 <sbp> but the one before that is 1828
17:12:31 <sbp> and the one before that is 17th century...
17:12:32 <sbp> so...
17:12:36 <clsn> So there's some mystic artifact that's associated with "wicca".
17:12:43 <clsn> I think she said it was the vampire one.
17:13:45 <Talliesin> I reference those films in terms of how its harder to get away with wart-nose anymore. If you're going to, you need to put in some good wiccans for balance.
17:13:53 <Talliesin> Sometimes I'm not sure this counts as progress.
17:15:02 <clsn> Mm. Hard to say. You're never going to rid popular culture of the evil witch, but people no longer associate that with "real" people anymore anyway.
17:15:26 <sbp> except in Germany
17:16:36 <Talliesin> Ah, but if you're a media corp like Warner Bros. you'll avoid wart-nose.
17:16:42 <clsn> (I know there are places where people are still persecuted for witchcraft. But not in most "enlightened" countries. Interpret how you will.)
17:16:54 <clsn> Talliesin: really? I guess I would count that as progress then.
17:17:46 <Talliesin> Yep, though on the other hand a figure nobody believes in vs. a stereotype that people do that, if more positive, is still not entirely accurate. Pros and cons.
17:17:49 <[bjoern]> Lack of persecution may largely be the result of lack of accusations.
17:18:12 <[bjoern]> I've not accused any woman of witchcraft in months, for example.
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17:18:24 <Talliesin> I know people who've been shot at for being a witch in the US, and some cases of violence in England.
17:18:28 <clsn> [bjoern]: you're slipping, then.
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17:18:47 <Talliesin> Being hung doesn't happen, but it's not entirely roses.
17:19:08 <sbp> [bjoern]: maybe they bewitched you not to
17:19:29 <clsn> Talliesin: Ugh. :( I thought we'd mostly gotten past that. But I shouldn't be surprised. My part of the US (the east coast) is so unrepresentative of what happens in the "heartlands" that it's easy to forget.
17:19:44 <[bjoern]> There is a more subtle reason.
17:19:51 <Talliesin> On the other hand, I grew up amid warring Christians so it's not like I'm under the illusion that we're the only ones who get it in the neck. Most of the western world it's much safer to be Wiccan than Muslim, Jewish or the wrong sort of Christian.
17:20:22 <sbp> well come on, gay people get shot at, tall people, short people, fat people, democrats, libertarians. they only people who don't get shot at are the big fat quail shooting Texan vice presidents, because they're too busy doing the shooting
17:20:33 <Talliesin> exactly.
17:20:46 <Talliesin> What's the baseline level of bigotry anyway?
17:20:56 <sbp> about 3.8 kilobigots
17:21:02 <[bjoern]> he's from Nebraska.
17:21:29 <laplink> Isn't that the wrong unit of measure?
17:21:33 <clsn> Yeah, I'm Jewish and I get away with it pretty well out here...
17:21:34 <sbp> though cf. my whole thing about the Tory MP-wannabe above
17:21:47 <[bjoern]> oh stop the kibibigot madness already.
17:21:51 <Talliesin> Back home I'm still more likely to get a kicking because I used to be Catholic than because I'm now Wiccan. Way more likely.
17:21:55 <sbp> laplink: make up your own bullshit if you don't like mine
17:22:00 <sbp> this has always been the Swhack deal
17:22:26 <clsn> (joke goes about the man visiting Ireland during the Troubles... Someone grabs him, puts a knife to his back, asks "You protestant or catholic?" ...)
17:22:59 <clsn> (Guy figures, "great. with my luck, whichever I say, he'll be the other." "Um, actually, I'm Jewish." "You know what that makes me? The luckiest Arab in Ireland!")
17:24:00 <[bjoern]> "Sorry, but I haven't read past Abraham yet"
17:24:10 <sbp> I read that as "Iceland" and got a bit confused
17:24:31 <sbp> "what Troubles does Iceland have? are their geysers freezing over?"
17:24:43 <[bjoern]> Actually an Island Swap would be welcome, just have the two change places.
17:24:49 <laplink> I'd suggest “Financial” but…
17:25:45 <Talliesin> clsn: In reality the question would have been "but are you a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew?", meaning which socio-political grouping they were closer too.
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17:26:11 <Talliesin> Meanwhile, foreign Catholics and foreign Protestants were both just foreigners, and so don't really count.
17:26:18 <clsn> My wife talks about kids who would chase/beat up her family because they were Jewish... and talking to the father wouldn't help because he believed that Jews were *meant* to suffer... I lived a pretty sheltered life all things considered.
17:27:27 <[bjoern]> Leaving the promised land is of course a bit suspicious.
17:27:40 <sbp> "Mormon Jew"?
17:28:10 <clsn> .g "Texas, what a country"
17:28:12 <phenny> clsn: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/10/03-0
17:28:18 <clsn> .title
17:28:21 <phenny> clsn: Don't Mess Around in Texas | CommonDreams.org
17:28:36 <[bjoern]> .gc "Wir können alles - ausser Hochdeutsch"
17:28:37 <phenny> "Wir können alles - ausser Hochdeutsch": 1,940
17:28:43 <[bjoern]> phenny, "Wir können alles - ausser Hochdeutsch"?
17:28:44 <phenny> [bjoern]: "We can do everything - except High German" (de to en, translate.google.com)
17:32:28 <sbp> 1377 LANGL. P. Pl. B. XVIII. 46 ‘Crucifige’, quod a cacchepolle ‘I warante hym a wicche!’
17:33:05 <[bjoern]> suspicious date.
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17:47:55 <sbp> "What do you remember about Theresa May, the shadow minister for women? Her philosophies? Her policies? No. It's her shoes, dummy."
17:47:56 <sbp> me?
17:48:32 <sbp> this is such a bad article, I still have it open in a tab to remind myself how bad writing can be
17:53:52 <Talliesin> Theresa May had shoes that were remarkable in some way?
17:54:06 <[bjoern]> .img Theresa May
17:54:07 <phenny> [bjoern]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Teresa_May_Model.JPG
17:54:07 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=Theresa%20May
17:54:29 <[bjoern]> that's a no
17:55:01 <sbp> Talliesin: supposedly, and supposedly it's all this journalist can think of (she says)
17:55:06 <sbp> and, further, she hates herself for it
17:55:23 <[bjoern]> always good to have a reason for that
17:55:52 <sbp> a feminist who perpetuates female stereotypes and hence becomes a stereotypical self-hating feminist. who'd have thought...
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17:57:52 <sbp> my overriding memory of Theresa May is how brilliant she was in rhetoric serving as Shadow Leader of the House against Harman
17:58:31 <sbp> I can't recall ever having seen her shoes. nor Harman's shoes for that matter. I'm sure I've seen both at some point... I can't recall seeing any politican's shoes now that I think of it
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17:58:54 <nsh> politicians stand in the kidneyholes of virtue
17:58:58 <nsh> truefax
17:59:07 <nsh> kidneylacunae?
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18:02:35 <sbp> nsh: did you see that the think tank that George Osbourne got his budget speech figures from said that he made a £3bn mistake?
18:03:01 <nsh> no..
18:03:03 <sbp> man that made me laugh so hard and nearly emigrate
18:03:20 * nsh choxelles
18:03:28 <nsh> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/09/george-osborne-budget-deficit
18:03:30 <phenny> nsh: Revealed: £3bn mistake in George Osborne's budget plan | Politics | The Guardian
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18:03:39 <nsh> awesome pic
18:04:01 <sbp> agreed
18:05:12 <nsh> it's like obama's smug look, mixed with the confused look of David Sullivan in the brasseye interview
18:05:29 <sbp> smugused
18:05:38 <sbp> oh! oh! consmug
18:05:57 <nsh> consmug
18:08:40 * nsh wonders what the next boom with be
18:08:49 <nsh> probably midget-gem futures
18:09:11 <sbp> cash for cash
18:09:48 <sbp> the manager of a local business here tried to take some money to Nat West to get some change, and was told that the bank couldn't provide service unless they brought identification each time
18:09:53 <sbp> like a bill, etc.
18:10:19 <sbp> so they're clearly concerned that this cash-for-cash thing could run away
18:10:29 <nsh> i could imagine...
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18:12:07 <sbp> my bank actually downgraded its kiosks from three to one
18:12:17 <sbp> and that one person who's left shouts at you if you actually ask for any service
18:12:20 <sbp> it's brilliant
18:13:30 <nsh> yeah, i got this from abbey the other day
18:14:02 <nsh> "without your account number we can't accept your passport as ID and send you a new bank card"
18:14:08 <nsh> -"Yes you can."
18:14:19 <sbp> hehe
18:14:28 <nsh> "Well, maybe, but first let's play some pantomime with you guessing things about your account.."
18:15:06 <nsh> bank transactions conducted via charades would be good though....
18:15:15 <nsh> or, a bank robbery...
18:15:32 <sbp> "your secret answer is Hannah Montana?"
18:15:35 <sbp> [David Davis nods]
18:16:34 * nsh chox
18:19:49 <[bjoern]> Oh those conspiracy nuts, "In early 2003, British police began to close in on some top suspects in the Operation Ore investigation, including senior members of Blair's government. However, Blair issued a D-Notice, resulting in a gag order on the press from publishing any details of the investigation. ...
18:19:52 <[bjoern]> ... Blair cited the impending war in Iraq as a reason for the D-Notice. Police also discovered links between British Labor government pedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution from Belgium and Portugal"
18:21:25 <sbp> he was a great arch war-criminal. I miss him
18:21:55 <nsh> oh
18:22:16 <nsh> maddy mccann (or at least a digital version of her) frontpaged the scottish daily express today
18:23:13 <nsh> "Dramatic new images of Madeleine McCann are released today -- poignantly demonstrating the changes which would have occurred to her appearance since she vanished two-and-a-hald years ago."
18:23:33 <clsn> nsh: who? and why do we care?
18:23:39 <nsh> exactly
18:23:44 <nsh> it's a minor farce in the UK
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18:23:51 <Monty2> bah, it's danja_ again
18:23:55 <[bjoern]> .wik Madeleine McCann
18:23:56 <phenny> "Madeleine McCann disappeared on the evening of Thursday, 3 May 2007 while on holiday with her parents and twin siblings in the Algarve region of Portugal." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_McCann
18:24:29 <[bjoern]> Think of her as a boulevard cash cow.
18:24:30 <nsh> one of the boldquotes (is there a term for those?) is "We think someone is keeping a dark and terrible secret"
18:25:06 <sbp> middle class parents go on holiday, stupidly leave their kid unattended. kid is kidnapped, parents are all surprised. media are notified IMMEDIATELY, Portugeue police also hear about it and totally mess up the investigation. parents hire an ex-BBC journalist to investigate instead. TO BE CONTINUED...
18:25:24 <nsh> AD NAUSIUM
18:26:33 <clsn> Ah. Cute white girl disappears, world holds its breath. Which I suppose would be fair if it held its breath for other disappearences.
18:27:02 <nsh> when the world holds its breath, it loses braincells
18:27:13 <clsn> I am certain that someone, somewhere, is keeping a dark and terrible secret. About something.
18:28:21 <clsn> (after all, child disappearing is NOT something to shrug off or take lightly. But it can and should not be made into a circus.)
18:29:18 <sbp> well it'll be great if they find her thanks to the exposure
18:29:21 <nsh> Hotspots of housing benefit: Hackney (London) - 41.9%; Tower Hamlets (London) - 38.1%; Newham (London) 36.9%; Haringey (London) - 33.9%; Islington (London) - 33.5%; Glasgow City - 31.5%; Lambeth (London) - 30.4%; Manchester - 30.3%; Southwark (London) - 30.1%; Brent (London) - 30.0%
18:29:36 <nsh> man, there are a lot of unproductive areas of london...
18:29:56 <sbp> it's deh smog wot does it
18:30:13 <nsh> ee ent wrong!
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18:32:15 <nsh> ahahaha
18:32:15 <Monty2> Tue Nov 3 dubbed), UPC 737187000676, SKU ET095-014. AnimEigo DVD-1 (all eps subbed), UPC 737187001970, SKU AD096-004. AnimEigo LD (all eps subbed), UPC 737187002854, SKU AD096-005. 1995-11-29: AnimEigo VHS (all eps dubbed or you headaches, makes people no pleasure from memory of some way it seriously. it is.
18:32:23 <nsh> hilarious story about griffin here...
18:32:27 <nsh> lemme transcribes
18:32:30 <sbp> false allegations have been made about an actress
18:32:41 <sbp> not sure what allegations. not sure what actress, though I think it may have been Kate Winslet
18:34:56 <sbp> nsh: what's the lowest housing benefit hotspot? the coldspot, if you will?
18:34:56 <Monty2> kinda scared me would I started dating on anyway.
18:37:42 <nsh> sbp, don't think it said
18:37:43 <nsh> Headline: BNP leader 'victim of racial abuse'
18:37:43 <nsh> BRITISH National Party leadeer Nick Griffin was racially abused by a man who called him a "while b****** and made threatening gun gestures, a court heard yesterday.
18:37:43 <nsh> The MEP, who had been demonstrating outside a police station, hid in his car after Raquir Khalid allegedly made the signs.
18:37:43 <nsh> Khalid, 25, was trace through his vehicle details and arrested a month later. He denies causing racially aggravated fear or provocation of violence outside Burnley police station last November.
18:37:45 <nsh> Mr Griffin, 50, said he had been demonstrating over the prospect of four of his party members being charged with racial incitement offences.
18:37:48 <nsh> He todl the jury at Preston Crown Court: "A car came past. The driver stopped. He had his window open, shouted out, "White b******[sic]s' and then he drove off."
18:37:51 <nsh> He said he noted the driver was Asian and a few minutes later the caar came back. Mr Griffin said: "He leaned out with his hand out in the gang-gun gesture. He shouted out, 'Griffin, you b******. I'm going to...' but I didn't catch what he said. I took it to be 'kill you' because it was done at the same time as the gun gesture." Under cross-examination by defending barrister Mark Stewart, Mr Griffin was shown a BNP video of an interv
18:37:56 <nsh> iew that day, where a voice was heard to shout abusive remarks.
18:37:58 <nsh> He denied this was the abuse he had referred to, saying: "I don't think that 'Nick Griffin, you f****** w*****' can possibly be heard as 'white b******s'."
18:38:03 <nsh> The trial continues.
18:38:05 <nsh> -fin
18:38:20 <griff> can this griffin guy die in a ditch so I can not be highlighted about him ever again
18:38:30 <nsh> lol
18:38:41 <[bjoern]> Get a better client.
18:38:51 *** sbp changed the topic to: ""I don't think that 'Nick Griffin, you f****** w*****' can possibly be heard as 'white b******s'.""
18:39:00 <nsh> no, really. kill griffin. i think it's a best solution.
18:39:21 <[bjoern]> We'd talk about his death, not solving the problem at all.
18:39:35 <nsh> not solving *his* problem...
18:40:00 <[bjoern]> Not his problem either, it would seem.
18:40:09 <sbp> deixis fail
18:40:27 <sbp> anyway, I'll bet it's Windsor and Slough
18:40:37 <sbp> or whatever that area is that always wins everything like this
18:40:54 <nsh> it does say the average nationally is 18%
18:41:06 <sbp> 18% what?
18:41:14 <nsh> of households on housing benefit
18:41:20 <sbp> oh, average nationally
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18:41:25 <sbp> I thought you said average nationality
18:41:28 <nsh> ah
18:41:31 <nsh> and the total bill for housing benefit was £17.3 billion last year
18:41:48 <nsh> which would only take George Osbourne 6 calculations to recover
18:41:51 <sbp> £3bn of which will be misplaced under the latest Conserv... hehe
18:41:56 * nsh smiles
18:41:56 <sbp> YOU BEAT ME
18:42:00 <nsh> forrealz
18:42:42 <sbp> Osborne, by the way. he can't even spell his own name
18:42:53 <nsh> heh heh
18:43:30 <nsh> ladbrokes, within hours of the birth of wayne rooney's son, kai, gave odds of 25-1 for the child to play for Everton, the club his sad supported as a child
18:43:33 <sbp> so did he call him white bastards (cardinality fail) or white bollocks?
18:43:34 <nsh> *dad
18:43:46 <sbp> heh
18:44:12 <nsh> i assume it was bastards, [sic]'d as it didn't add up (but was i wrong?)
18:44:12 <Monty2> potty mouth!
18:44:36 <sbp> hmm. I thought it said [sic] because Griffin spelled out the asterisks
18:44:43 <nsh> nah, i added that
18:44:48 <sbp> ah
18:44:50 <nsh> but i maded mistaeks
18:45:16 <nsh> 'twas correct asteriskcount
18:45:31 <nsh> i was throwing an extra 'r' into bastard, as i am occasionally wont to do
18:45:45 <sbp> hmm, the chicks graduating from this university are not very cute
18:45:51 <sbp> wonder what one it was
18:45:55 <nsh> Uwhich?
18:46:01 <sbp> no idea, it didn't say
18:46:12 <sbp> stock footage, it seems
18:47:13 <nsh> mm
18:47:15 <[bjoern]> stock footage always turns me on.
18:47:22 <nsh> brings me out in a rash
18:47:25 <nsh> which turns me on
18:47:30 <sbp> chicken oder beef?
18:47:44 <[bjoern]> Ich würd beides nehmen.
18:47:49 <nsh> chicken-odour-beef is a majestic term
18:48:07 <sbp> I knew you'd say that
18:48:31 <nsh> good
18:49:00 <sbp> so I found out today that "gams" refer to the legs of a young lady
18:49:06 <sbp> and not to her breasts
18:49:08 <treed> I get highlighted on the weirdest shit for having "Cardinal" in my highlight list.
18:49:08 <Monty2> potty mouth!
18:49:15 <treed> sbp: You didn't know?
18:49:20 <sbp> I did not know this
18:49:29 <treed> I thought that it specifically referred to the calves.
18:49:37 <treed> But that could just be overly specific misinterpretation.
18:49:39 <deltab> Probably from Polari (theatrical argot), from Italian gamba, from Late Latin, hoof. See gambol.
18:49:40 <treed> .ety gam
18:49:41 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "gam". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=gam
18:49:45 <treed> .ety gams
18:49:45 <phenny> "'legs,' 1781, ult. from M.E. gamb 'leg,' from O.N.Fr. (see gammon)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=gams
18:49:56 <treed> .ety gammon
18:49:56 <phenny> "1486, from O.N.Fr. gambon 'ham,' from gambe 'leg,' from L.L. gamba 'leg of an animal.' Originally 'the ham or haunch of a swine.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=gammon
18:50:17 <sbp> gammon and gambol are cognates? eeeêntersting
18:50:20 <[bjoern]> .gc convexular
18:50:21 <phenny> convexular: 2
18:50:27 <sbp> .gc convexoid
18:50:28 <phenny> convexoid: 251
18:50:33 <nsh> GRAZY
18:50:40 <sbp> this proved to be a problem for me
18:51:03 <sbp> because when we were thinking up terms for men and women, I was going to say there's no male term as good as "gamshanger"
18:51:30 <nsh> gitdang!
18:51:37 <nsh> gamshanger++
18:52:03 <sbp> well it would have deserved thy approbation had it made sense
18:52:07 <sbp> language failed
18:52:23 <[bjoern]> Also, no unmlauts but scenders.
18:52:30 <nsh> we can just reboot it [language]
18:52:38 <sbp> yeah, reboot it
18:52:42 <nsh> i wonder if language is like windows installs
18:52:50 <[bjoern]> No, it's not.
18:52:52 <nsh> at some point you just have to start again from scratch
18:52:52 <sbp> I instantly recognised some Esperanto today
18:52:55 <sbp> which was a bit worrying
18:53:05 <sbp> I suppose the circumflex over the "g" gave it away
18:53:08 <nsh> was it a "thwump" of recognition?
18:53:16 <nsh> or more of a "sashing"?
18:53:24 <sbp> more of a...
18:53:30 <sbp> snnnnargh!
18:53:35 <sbp> yeah, like that
18:53:59 <nsh> ah, gottit
18:54:13 <deltab> sbp: caron
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18:54:27 <sbp> circumflex, to any normal person...
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18:54:53 <sbp> no wait, it wasn't a caron at all
18:54:57 <sbp> it was definitely a circumflex
18:55:10 <deltab> ǧ ?
18:55:15 <sbp> no, that's a caron
18:55:21 <sbp> or a haxzczek
18:55:21 <Monty2> correct thing this site was actually ask it post
18:55:33 <nsh> Monty2, no doubt
18:55:35 <sbp> I never can tell the difference between a caron and a hazczcsszczseck
18:55:37 <Monty2> dcc chat so useless that should do, she hasn't anybody actually worth it?
18:55:50 <sbp> but I can tell the difference between a caron and a circumflex
18:55:54 <sbp> and this thing was a circumflex
18:55:59 <deltab> ah, right
18:56:02 <sbp> lemme go find it
18:56:11 <clsn> ĝ is Esperanto.
18:56:17 <deltab> a b c Ä d e f g Ä h Ä¥ i j ĵ k l m n o p r s Å t u Å v z
18:56:19 <clsn> ĝi is in fact the pronoun "it"
18:56:22 <deltab> bleh
18:56:27 <sbp> “Bonvenon ĉe mia retejo, kie vi trovos kolektaĉon de esperantaj, anglaj, kaj nederlandaj verkaĵoj. Ĉi tiu paĝaro grafike rekonstruiĝis dum majo de 2007. Mi esperas ke vi ĝin ŝatas!”
18:56:33 <sbp> — http://juerd.nl/site.plp/
18:56:56 <clsn> Welcome to my net-site, where you will find a horrible collection of esperanto, english, and dutch works.
18:57:15 <sbp> ...heh. verka... worka...
18:57:16 <clsn> This group of pages was graphically reconstructed in may 2007.
18:57:23 <clsn> I hope you like it.,
18:57:32 <sbp> phenny: "Bonvenon ĉe mia retejo, kie vi trovos kolektaĉon de esperantaj, anglaj, kaj nederlandaj verkaĵoj. Ĉi tiu paĝaro grafike rekonstruiĝis dum majo de 2007. Mi esperas ke vi ĝin ŝatas!"?
18:57:33 <phenny> sbp: The eo to en translation failed, sorry!
18:57:36 <sbp> aw
18:57:48 <deltab> oh, I was thinking of ŭ
18:57:48 <clsn> What, you don't trust my translation?
18:58:06 <sbp> I was just going to make the smart arse quip "yeah, we can Google Translate too"
18:58:14 <sbp> but just like gamshanger, this didn't work out so well
18:58:14 <clsn> Heh. Oh.
18:58:28 <clsn> Farbeit from me to deny you an opportunity to mock me.
18:58:33 <sbp> hehe
18:58:40 <sbp> at least it guessed the language right I suppose
18:58:50 <clsn> Yes, actually, that's pretty cool.
18:59:02 <sbp> maybe it was like "eo? heh, no way. you gonna have to leave that to clsn"
18:59:25 <clsn> heh...
18:59:49 <sbp> I'm also secretly impressed, though I should have just expected you'd know conversational level Esperanto
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19:00:03 <sbp> wouldn't be surprised if treed knew it too, and maybe kpreid
19:00:09 <clsn> Oh, yeah, I can at least *read* E-o pretty easily.
19:00:17 <sbp> griff on the other hand, no way
19:00:22 <kpreid> wot
19:00:26 <clsn> I don't have much opportunity to hear or speak it, so I guess I'm not in practice at such things.
19:00:42 <kpreid> I am 1½-lingual.
19:00:56 <sbp> French and half German?
19:01:52 <clsn> It's interesting that he refers to it as a "kolektaĉo", which is a pejorative... Some horrible, yucky collection.
19:01:54 <kpreid> I delegate the design of an appropriate retort to clsn.
19:02:07 <clsn> How about "Moi? Nein!"
19:02:15 <sbp> bound to be with taco in it
19:02:16 <sbp> heh
19:02:44 <sbp> .o wow eitrigg
19:02:47 <phenny> Eitrigg is up
19:03:03 <deltab> “Tonight that [cast-iron] promise has been melted down for scrap.”
19:04:40 <clsn> I suppose a "fikolekto" would be even worse. That's a morally horrible collection. Which actually sounds more fun to browse.
19:05:23 <deltab> ah, like a national identity register?
19:06:31 <clsn> I was thinking more in the lines of some sort of "repugnant" porn, but in writing an opinion article about such a register, describing it as a fikolekto would probably be perfectly in order.
19:06:43 <clsn> Not NPOV, of course, but a way of stating your point.
19:06:52 * deltab nods
19:07:52 <nsh> .wik Earandel
19:07:53 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Earandel".
19:07:56 <nsh> .wik Earendel
19:07:56 <phenny> "The names Aurvandil or Earendel (Old Norse: Aurvandil; Old English: Ēarendel; Lombardic: Auriwandalo; Old High German: Orentil, Erentil; Medieval Latin: Horuuendillus) are cognate Germanic personal names, continuing a Proto-Germanic reconstructed compound [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earendel
19:08:23 <clsn> Tolkien's was Eärendil
19:08:48 <nsh> nice
19:08:51 <clsn> Eärendil was a mariner / that tarried in Avernien...
19:09:05 <nsh> .wik Petrosomatoglyph
19:09:05 <phenny> "A petrosomatoglyph is an image of parts of a human or animal body incised in rock." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrosomatoglyph
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22:19:25 <nsh> anyone read vellum?
22:34:11 <laplink_> .wik vellum
22:34:11 <phenny> "Vellum (from the Old French Vélin, for 'calfskin')[1]| is mammal skin prepared for writing or printing on, to produce single pages, scrolls, codices or books." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vellum
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