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01:07:57 <Quinn_the_Mechan> hello
01:08:25 <Quinn_the_Mechan> i am looking for the magic
01:09:28 <jsled> which magic?
01:10:45 <Quinn_the_Mechan> not entirely sure
01:11:04 <Quinn_the_Mechan> intellectually engaging magic, i guess
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04:35:21 <MoiraA> goodnight all
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05:09:06 <MoiraA> magic is here
05:09:57 <MoiraA> phenny, tell sbp tabnet is one awesome server. My /amsg "goodnight all" was broadcast over every server and every channel but typed once on tabnet in #tabnet. Spooky or what`/
05:09:57 <phenny> MoiraA: I'll pass that on when sbp is around. I'll have to use a pastebin, though, so your message may get lost.
05:10:06 <MoiraA> cheers phenny
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05:11:56 <Monty2> Speak of the devil, it's jetscreamer!
05:15:41 <MoiraA> got to reboot, back tomorrow
05:15:57 <MoiraA> what an economic way to send messages
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05:50:33 <[bjoern]> Well now it won't boot windows anymore at all
05:50:48 <[bjoern]> neither from my sata drive nor the usb drive which have entirely independent installations
05:51:08 <[bjoern]> rip linux and knoppix and windows 2000 from a third drive boot okay
05:51:41 <[bjoern]> tested memory, cpu, ruled out most hardware interfaces and devices, ala serial port, par port, game port, ...
05:52:12 <[bjoern]> thing i have not tried yet is trying to boot while the usb mouse thingy is disconnected
05:52:17 <[bjoern]> but that is so far fetched...
05:52:27 <[bjoern]> alternatively it could be the onboard graphics chip
05:52:43 <[bjoern]> there is also a remote possibility that my sata controller is at fault
05:52:58 <[bjoern]> but that's based mainly on a single instant reboot from knoppix
05:53:21 <[bjoern]> cpu overheating protection is also ruled out as the pc reboots, while when overheating it turns off
05:54:12 <[bjoern]> keyboard is also a remote option, lack the secondary keyboard to try...
05:55:14 <[bjoern]> like i said, windbg !analyze -v on the few minidumps i got when it just bluescreened after some time of interactive use claims, if the sound driver is on, that it's the sound driver
05:55:36 <[bjoern]> when it is turned off it blames the scsi driver, which i would guess acts as sata driver
05:56:06 <[bjoern]> I don't recall if i tried booting the usb drive while the sata controller is turned off, i did without any sata drives connected
05:57:36 <[bjoern]> lucky i took a second cdrom with me when i moved here, my normal dvd drive seems dead
05:57:51 <[bjoern]> not that i used it in the past 15 months or so
05:59:17 <[bjoern]> when I type google.com in firefox here it tries to connect to google.com.com and can't find that...
06:02:23 <[bjoern]> (the main sata drive being the culprit here is not very likely as far as i am concerned, yesterday i backed all the important stuff up without issue, and the usb installation should boot fine when the sata drive is disconnected which it does not)
06:02:48 <[bjoern]> first google hit has someone retelling my story, blaming a faulty microsoft cpu driver...
06:05:31 <[bjoern]> I could use some help googling for causes for spontaneous reboots during windows (server 2003) bootup
06:06:01 <[bjoern]> happens around the time it would normally switch to graphics mode, and regardless of booting in safemode, vga mode, etc
06:08:51 <[bjoern]> Microsoft suggests to try the do-not-reboot-on-error option, so i'd get a bluescreen apparently
06:09:08 <[bjoern]> but when I would get a bluescreen, shouldn't it create minidump, like it did when all this started?
06:12:57 <[bjoern]> They are also making the point you get the reboot if there is some fatal error and not enough space on the drive to write the whole memory dump
06:12:57 <Monty2> .wik Glyph
06:12:57 <phenny> "A glyph (pronounced /ˈɡlɪf/) is an element of writing." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyph
06:13:10 <[bjoern]> which kinda is the case with me, but i have disabled writing the whole memory dump
06:13:48 <[bjoern]> That problem at least do the usb and sata installations have in common
06:14:40 <[bjoern]> To make a very far fetched guess, windows could on reboot trying to build a very large file, for whatever reason, runs out of space and panically reboots
06:15:10 <[bjoern]> that could kinda explain the more-intense-than-usal drive activity on boot, if i recall that correctly
06:15:35 <[bjoern]> (booting in safe mode also typically has that effect, so i might aswell be mixing things up here)
06:17:29 <[bjoern]> the knoppix reboot might then be explained by -- the cause for windows trying to create large file on boot is some file system corruption, and the knoppix ntfs driver cannot cope with that, while the rip linux one can
06:17:36 <[bjoern]> but that too is really far fetched
06:17:51 <[bjoern]> shouldn't linux, like, kernel panic at least, in that case?
06:18:12 <[bjoern]> but let's check what ntfs drivers knoppix has here anyway
06:19:14 <[bjoern]> well my knoppix is four years older than the rip linux, and knoppix has the old-style ntfs drivers while i used ntfs-3g on rip
06:21:18 <[bjoern]> similarily far fetching then i could say the windows ntfs drivers have similar problems as the old linux ones, that would be some remote expl why this happend during normal use earlier
06:21:35 <[bjoern]> (when it happend there i could at least reboot afterwards though)
06:21:49 <[bjoern]> (then again my repair attempts may have caused a new but related situation...)
06:32:46 <[bjoern]> thinking about the drive space issue, there is really no reason at all why there should be any ntfs problems on the usb drive
06:34:21 <[bjoern]> To make any sense of that I would go into areas like, some sort of malware did an exceedingly good job at corrupting it (or critical system files) without me or the system noticing
06:38:21 <[bjoern]> other google results suggest memory problems, but i already xchg the chips and had a full half hour run of memtest86 with no problems whatsoever
06:39:23 <[bjoern]> next up would be fairy tales like power supply problems that manifests themself during boot almost every time
06:40:53 <[bjoern]> "Reboot/crash while scrolling screams ATI video driver problem to me" - yeah well i do have an ati onboard chip and the drivers are the cause of almost all bluescreens before, but...
06:41:12 <[bjoern]> they don't load in safe mode, i don't think, and safe mode is not working
06:41:52 <[bjoern]> the ati chipset being broken is an option i am much more open to than any other expl at this point
06:42:11 <[bjoern]> my alternative graphics hardware of course isn't around...
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07:18:45 <[bjoern]> okay let's try some of the ideas...#
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07:59:38 <Monty2> hi scottrageous||, how ya doing?
08:00:31 <scottrageous||> Monty2: better if my connection was actually decent :P
08:00:33 <Monty2> drugs again, speaking country
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08:04:03 <scottrageous||> Monty2: I hear ya... start playing country music backwards, maybe you'll get your dog wife and truck back xD
08:04:04 <Monty2> It'd probably a fragment
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10:18:55 <[bjoern]> Serious lack of joy here
10:19:37 <[bjoern]> system close to as bare as possible, boot knoppix, try to setup dsl, hover over the menu entry, reboot
10:20:01 <[bjoern]> some system rearrangement, launch knoppix again, reboot during boot
10:20:20 <[bjoern]> good news is that windows is booting again from the main drive, but it does not survive long
10:20:32 <[bjoern]> if i take the knoppix fails as indication, i can now rule out, let me think
10:21:22 <[bjoern]> graphic card driver, hard drive, mouse, memory, ...
10:21:47 <[bjoern]> its most likely not the virtual hard drive from my emulator either
10:22:08 <[bjoern]> there i had the idea that when i left it unattended and the system tried to reboot when i came back,
10:22:33 <[bjoern]> that the drive where the image resides got full, and the emulator tried to extend it, failed, crashed
10:22:47 <[bjoern]> most of the previous reboots had to do with accessing said image
10:23:12 <[bjoern]> but then i was in windows again, looking for how to repair it, and system bluescreened once more
10:23:54 <[bjoern]> i am not sure the most recent knoppix reboot during boot had the sound chip disabled, but i think so
10:24:43 <[bjoern]> still not sure about the keyboard, sata controller, sound chip/driver, graphics chip (driver ruled out)
10:25:17 <[bjoern]> i also reset the bios config (and reconfigured it from scratch) so there is nothing weird either
10:25:40 <[bjoern]> though i was unsure why i was setting the cpu mhz setting back to 200mhz in the bios
10:25:54 <[bjoern]> it's been like that ever since i set up the system, normally clocked
10:26:18 <[bjoern]> so my thinking is into the direction of the whole power supply stuffs
10:26:47 <[bjoern]> already swapped the Verteiler, not sure after which reboot that was
10:27:03 <[bjoern]> also running knoppix in failsafe mode currently...
10:27:42 <[bjoern]> also have removed one of the memory blocks, with memtest86 finding no errors, and reboots happening despite one removed...
10:27:54 <[bjoern]> well it could theoretically be the other one, so that's still on the list...
10:28:04 <[bjoern]> does not look good though
10:28:32 <[bjoern]> loggy, pointer?
10:28:32 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2009-12-09#T10-28-32
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11:20:57 <[bjoern]> Imagine considerable complains about me being able to webbrowse without trouble under knoppix, but apparently not windows.
11:46:04 <[bjoern]> Well at least after much searching I've come across a reasonably priced replacement should i find that necessary.
11:46:50 <[bjoern]> Although lack gbit ethernet there is kinda suspicious
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11:47:48 <[bjoern]> but its got a amd cpu, i always wanted to try those, has twice as much ram as i have now, twice as much (shared) vram, and no darn ati chipset.
11:48:09 <[bjoern]> for only a month not eating!
11:54:36 <[bjoern]> kinda disturbed about user comments saying you cant use it for much other than browsing office and video
11:54:53 <[bjoern]> the system is five years ahead of my current system which does just fine
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12:27:07 <Monty2> Thank goodness, m4rk is back!
12:30:40 <m4rk> lol
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13:17:44 <[bjoern]> Well I wanted to look the manual for the mainboard up, asus does not list the precise model on the homepage, only the support sites, and there asus claims the amd cpu the system supposedly ships with does not fit on it
13:18:20 <[bjoern]> the board is ... SE; there is a ... PLUS version which does support the cpu according to asus' cpu support charts
13:18:52 <[bjoern]> but it has different properties compared to the SE version where the product listing I got lists the SE properties
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14:03:37 <[bjoern]> Okay I'm ready for another round of depression
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14:30:20 <[bjoern]> DONT REBOOT PLEASE
14:30:34 <[bjoern]> Well this is where it happened last time, so far so good
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14:57:50 <Monty2> hi MacTed
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15:56:41 <clsn> It would appear that "CLSN" is an acronym for something significant in designing fighters for an arcade engine called "mugen". But I can't find an expansion for it.
15:57:11 <clsn> Wait... I think it's an abbreviation for "collision" maybe.
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15:59:01 <clsn> Yeah, I think that's what it is. Mystery solved. I feel important.
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16:05:27 <clsn> phenny: "Mustika Amanah Cell adalah penyedia layanan eceran dan grosir untuk produk-produk yang berhubungan dengan"?
16:05:28 <phenny> clsn: "Mustika Amanah Cell is a leading provider of retail and wholesale service for products associated with" (id to en, translate.google.com)
16:05:44 <clsn> phenny: "iklan"?
16:05:44 <phenny> clsn: "ad" (ms to en, translate.google.com)
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16:40:30 <[bjoern]> Well,
16:40:41 <[bjoern]> seconds after my plea, it did bluescreen
16:40:57 <[bjoern]> and when i used the web interface some minutes ago and started typing,
16:41:02 <[bjoern]> bluescreen
16:41:29 <[bjoern]> since then i get a bluescreen during boot, though at a slightly different point than before methinks
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17:10:23 <sbp> .c 76 - 31
17:10:23 <phenny> 76 - 31 = 45
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17:16:30 <charl_> sbp: You'll know this. Is this bollocks or not? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html
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17:17:46 <Monty2> hey chris2
17:18:39 <sbp> charl_: hmm! hadn't seen about that
17:18:45 <sbp> looks really, really, really hoaxy
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17:23:08 <sbp> hmm, I should check Aftenposten
17:24:33 <sbp> http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article3413787.ece
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17:25:51 <sbp> charl_: Aftenposten are saying it was a Russian rocket
17:26:16 <sbp> [[[
17:26:17 <sbp> Also researcher Truls Lynne Hansen at the Auroral Observatory in Tromsø says it is about a missile that was launched from the White Sea.
17:26:17 <sbp> - The rocket is probably out of control and exploded. The special helical lysmønsteret is because the sun was shining on the fuel that leaked out, "he says to NRK.
17:26:19 <sbp> ]]]
17:29:21 <sbp> phenny: ask xover if he saw http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article3413787.ece
17:29:21 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
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18:45:34 <charl_> sbp: ah!
18:46:05 <charl_> My first reaction was that it's a hoax as well, but you never know.
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20:08:11 <cre8radix> heya
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20:53:06 <Monty2> hi kpreid, how ya doing?
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22:59:10 <clsn> Wow, some potentially really fun-looking new chars in Unicode 5.2. U+AA77, U+AA75 could be suggestive.
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23:00:42 <clsn> U+ABCD has been defined.
23:04:24 <hannes__> how big is whole unicode?
23:04:46 <hannes__> in mb, do you have a rough idea?
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23:22:22 <deltab> hannes__: what do you mean? the book? the database files?
23:26:42 <hannes__> the database files, font symbols
23:27:51 <kpreid> hm, the database files *as shipped from unicode.org* are highly compressible
23:27:58 <kpreid> not even packed binary
23:28:10 <kpreid> and as to fonts, well, that's going to vary immensely on what type of font
23:34:11 <clsn> hannes__: There are 17 planes, each containing 65536 characters. That's maximum available space; nowhere close to that much has been allocated yet.
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23:36:39 <clsn> unicode.org mostly ships plain text.
23:36:56 <hannes__> so i there a font package that implements whole unicode?
23:37:15 <hannes__> is*
23:37:29 <clsn> No, I believe that is not possible; no font format in use allows that many characters in a single font. There are a few fairly wide-coverage ones, but nothing that does it ALL.
23:37:41 <clsn> Probably the one with the widest coverage is Code2000.
23:39:10 <clsn> I don't think there is a package of fonts commonly available as a bundle that covers ALL of it either. Especially since 5.2 is relatively new and added a bunch of new characters.
23:39:26 <hannes__> okay
23:39:53 <clsn> My Marin font aims to be fairly wide-coverage, but it doesn't touch code2000, if only because I don't do any CJK.
23:40:40 <clsn> (James Kass is also just plain better at drawing them than I am :) But I do what I can.)
23:42:21 <hannes__> i see :)
23:44:04 <hannes__> looking forward to 1F600 ff. :)
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23:45:06 <clsn> Hrm, what's going at 1F600...?
23:45:36 <hannes__> emoticons
23:45:51 <clsn> Oh, the Emoji? Ugh. :(
23:46:10 <clsn> There are a lot of those I really don't like.
23:46:22 <clsn> A few made it in already in other blocks.
23:48:03 <hannes__> will there ever be some kind of registry for commercial symbols?
23:49:56 <hannes__> what if a company wants to distribute their logo as a text symbol?.... would it just use one of the private ranges and distribute the font accordingly.. ?
23:52:12 <clsn> Good question. There are already commercial uses of the private use area that are become de facto standards.
23:52:36 <clsn> The official rule is the Unicode isn't going to encode logos. How well that stands up remains to be seen.
23:52:49 <clsn> Some say that the emoji are already starting to chip away at that.
23:53:10 <hannes__> yep I can see that
23:53:51 <clsn> There were also probably one or two things encoded in the past that arguably shouldn't have been, by this rule, or so I am told.
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