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06:07:05 <Monty> hi dmiles_afk, how ya doing?
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12:02:09 <sbp> yo
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12:47:34 <sbp> nwalsh: ping
12:47:46 <sbp> just asked this on #xml —
12:47:47 <sbp> 12:36 <sbp> quite a few years ago somebody made a bit of software which took an input XML document and barfed out basically a pretty version of the SAX events
12:47:47 <sbp> 12:37 <sbp> does anybody remember the name of the software?
12:47:47 <sbp> 12:37 <sbp> I sorta think it was by Sean McGrath, but I'm not sure
12:47:47 <sbp> 12:37 <sbp> and it was probably circa 2002, announced on xml-dev
12:47:48 <sbp> 12:37 <sbp> I've been checking The Googles of course
12:53:44 <sbp> can't find it still, ah well
12:53:54 <sbp> what I'm really wanting to write is a webpage updates monitor
12:54:02 <sbp> only, I'm hoping to do it as computationally cheaply as possible
12:54:13 <sbp> (read: stuck together with bubblegum)
12:54:38 <sbp> so I figure all I need to do is make periodic caches of the webpage
12:54:50 <sbp> then compare the current version with the old one using some HTML diff tool
12:55:17 <sbp> and for the diff tool I figured I'd just serialise HTML events and diff that with a regular line-based diff tool. in other words, create a line-based serialisation of HTML
12:55:42 <sbp> the caching is the hardest bit really
12:55:48 <sbp> not entirely sure where I should store the caches
12:56:22 <sbp> what I could do is use a purl.org & pastebin combination
12:57:17 <sbp> trouble is, I suppose I don't want the pastes to be public
12:57:26 <sbp> and I suppose if you want to serialise over time, you have to have multiple caches
12:58:26 <sbp> I hate writing services. Resources, not Services!
12:59:15 <sbp> hmm. I wonder if this is what Yahoo! Pipes is for?
12:59:37 <MacTed> sbp - blend curl/wget collection with svn/WebDAV store that automagically does version diffing ?
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13:00:45 <sbp> I'll pretend you said mercurial/git
13:00:53 <sbp> but even so, that's not very computationally inexpensive
13:01:23 <sbp> the problem is that I was rather hoping to have no moving parts on the server
13:01:28 <sbp> I guess that's impossible though
13:01:43 <sbp> hmm. perhaps I could use github?
13:01:58 <sbp> ...hmm
13:02:02 <sbp> actually that's not a bad idea
13:02:08 <MacTed> the nature of "server" being "service" rather suggests it's going to have moving parts...
13:02:26 <sbp> well, by moving parts I mean "no disc access"
13:02:37 <sbp> imagine it as a Google Webapp
13:03:36 <sbp> in fact, I probably should use Google App Engine
13:03:40 <MacTed> to compare "now" to "then" you have to access both copies ... which means either disc or RAM access of the "then" cache to compare against the "now" retrieve (and the "now" must replace or be added to the "then")
13:03:55 <sbp> yes, but I was hoping to use an external service for the disc
13:04:07 <sbp> and github might fit the bill nicely
13:04:07 <MacTed> Web Archive?
13:04:18 <sbp> Web Archive is a valiant suggestion, but...
13:04:29 <sbp> the upload process is really tricky
13:04:35 <sbp> I did find a command line upload tool for it once
13:04:47 <sbp> but it was so complex and arcane and anyway broken that I didn't get very far with it
13:05:04 <sbp> and anyway, I kinda want the cached versions to be temporary
13:05:11 <sbp> or, better yet, private
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14:04:23 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "Generate IDs" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92813
14:05:12 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "Generate TOC" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92814
14:12:00 <sbp> .u super five
14:12:01 <phenny> U+2075 SUPERSCRIPT FIVE (⁵)
14:24:59 <sbp> .u super one
14:25:00 <phenny> U+00B9 SUPERSCRIPT ONE (¹)
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14:40:31 <sbp> .u crown
14:40:32 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no results for 'crown'.
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15:17:11 <nsh> THERE'S NO UNICODE CROWN!?!? WHAT IS THE POINT?!?
15:22:18 <sbp> I know
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15:24:16 <Kahlbrenner> does anyone know if I can attach metainformation to a triple in rdflib?
15:25:59 <sbp> not as far as I know
15:26:07 <sbp> which isn't very far in this matter
15:26:16 <sbp> why would you even want to?
15:28:18 <Kahlbrenner> I need information like source and date of a specific data triple to allow some kind of versioning, e.g. data can be updated
15:28:28 <sbp> I guess I must have had a way of doing that in arcs
15:28:31 <sbp> but I dunno what it was
15:28:36 <sbp> might have been a trio facility, I dunno
15:28:44 <sbp> .g site:inamidst.com trio
15:28:45 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/sw/trio/
15:31:01 <Kahlbrenner> hm I could store multiple graphs and store metainformation on a graph seperatly.....
15:31:08 <sbp> there you go
15:31:25 <sbp> RDF APIs should have a federated Graph type
15:34:00 <clsn> nsh: consider some of the following.
15:34:05 <clsn> .u 265B
15:34:05 <sbp> Kahlbrenner: ah, arcs had a separate Library class
15:34:06 <phenny> U+265B BLACK CHESS QUEEN (♛)
15:34:11 <sbp> which was basically a federated graph
15:34:15 <clsn> .u 2655
15:34:15 <phenny> U+2655 WHITE CHESS QUEEN (♕)
15:34:30 <Kahlbrenner> I don't know arcs
15:34:41 <sbp> http://inamidst.com/sw/arcs/
15:34:51 <clsn> & so on.
15:35:16 <Kahlbrenner> aight
15:35:51 <sbp> what's your overall use case?
15:35:59 <sbp> I could never think of any use cases for RDF
15:36:07 <sbp> well, one or two
15:37:38 <Kahlbrenner> just playing around... basically aggregate data about companies and reveal shares
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15:52:39 <libby> kahlbrenner - tried #swig? (though it's quiet atm)
15:53:06 <Kahlbrenner> I've taken a path already, thx
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16:35:14 <[bjoern]> hmm http://customerproducts.atheros.com/
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16:59:19 <sbp> Google Translate now works as-you-type
16:59:26 <sbp> when did they introduce that? that's pretty nifty
17:00:11 <[bjoern]> I find most of Google's as-you-types rather annoying.
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17:20:15 <[bjoern]> .wik compaq
17:20:16 <phenny> "Compaq Computer Corporation was an American personal computer company founded in 1982." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq
17:20:28 <[bjoern]> ah HP
17:23:44 * kpreid nudges sbp
17:35:14 <sbp> kpreid: yo
17:35:27 <sbp> limited time, please slot your information cookie into my receptive attention hole
17:35:43 <sbp> with uttmost swiftnesse
17:36:01 <kpreid> sbp: urls for my phenny-ws services has changed, what do i do
17:36:24 <sbp> kpreid: ask nslater to modify them
17:36:35 <kpreid> ok. he maintainer?
17:36:40 <sbp> nslater is official phenny-ws Project Manager™, aye
17:37:07 <sbp> sorry, did see your message to me on this
17:37:13 <sbp> thought I'd phennied you one back
17:39:06 <[bjoern]> .o wa weather magdeburg
17:39:12 <phenny> weather->Magdeburg, Germany;temperature->30 deg F (wind chill: 21 deg F), conditions->rain, cloudy, relative humidity->100% (dew point: 30 deg F), wind speed->10 mph, (1 hour 49 minutes ago);, ->-> -> , minimum: 25 deg F, Tue, Dec 29, 7:45am->average: 32 deg F, ->maximum: 41 deg F, Sun, Dec 27, 1:45pm, -> -> ;, ->previous week: overcast: 25.2%
17:39:22 <[bjoern]> feels a lot colder
17:41:09 * archels scoffs at deg F
17:43:32 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 20 hours to buy guitar strings for goodness; sake
17:43:33 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu Dec 31 13:43:53 GMT 2009
17:44:14 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 20 hours to buy D'Addario. er, get 9s I suppose. hmm. or one set of 9s and one of 10s. hmm. think about it
17:44:14 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu Dec 31 13:44:34 GMT 2009
17:44:23 <sbp> Monty remind me in 20 hours to DO IT
17:44:24 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu Dec 31 13:44:43 GMT 2009
17:53:05 <kpreid> .o refresh
17:53:12 <phenny> kpreid: Okay, found 74 services. Added: gcalc
17:53:18 <kpreid> .o wordofthems
17:53:19 <phenny> instrumentalisms
17:53:31 <kpreid> hm, so phenny takes last-first
17:58:41 <kpreid> .o wordofthems
17:58:42 <phenny> suctioning
17:58:44 <kpreid> .o wordofthems
17:58:45 <phenny> hermaphroditism
17:58:46 <kpreid> .o wordofthems
17:58:47 <phenny> nonreturnables
17:58:48 <kpreid> .o wordofthems
17:58:49 <phenny> pollinators
17:58:51 <kpreid> .o wordofthems
17:58:51 <phenny> stylises
17:59:16 <kpreid> .o wordmatch sp.*ies
17:59:17 <phenny> agamospermies apospories asperities asphyxies blasphemies cenospecies conspicuities conspiracies coprosperities correspondencies counterconspiracies counterspies crispiest despondencies disparities dispensabilities dispensaries dispensatories disposabilities disrespectabilities ...
17:59:23 <kpreid> .o wordmatch ^sp.*ies$
17:59:24 <phenny> sparsities spasticities spatialities spavies speakeasies specialities specialties species specificities specifies speciosities spectrofluorometries spectrographies spectroheliographies spectrometries spectrophotometries spectroscopies specularities speechifies speleologies ...
17:59:43 *** kpreid changed the topic to: "Swhack stylises sparse spatialities"
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21:35:48 <Monty> hi martianixor, how ya doing?
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21:59:16 <Monty> hey nwalsh
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22:18:04 <[[sroracle]]> Monty buddy
22:18:07 <Monty> well, i could, like, you do something that position
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