00:00:01 <sbp> .tock
00:00:01 <phenny> "Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:00:01 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
00:00:28 <sbp> that's funny
00:00:39 <sbp> I've watched New Year on the telly most years with people
00:00:47 <sbp> and every year we're all "ten... nine... eight..."
00:00:59 <sbp> but there's quite a lot of lag
00:01:11 <sbp> so we've been saying "three..." quite a lot when the new year comes in!
00:01:18 <sbp> (if .tock is accurate)
00:02:50 <[bjoern]> You are late, I've been sitting here for an hour.
00:03:03 <sbp> yeah, you've experienced a lot more 2010 than I have
00:03:09 <sbp> what do you think of it so far/
00:03:13 <sbp> => ?
00:03:31 <[bjoern]> Want my money back.
00:03:57 <sbp> good luck cutting through all that red tape
00:04:01 <[bjoern]> Happy mailman day btw.
00:04:12 <sbp> yeah, thanks
00:04:17 <sbp> I've got a pangram, I think
00:04:22 <sbp> .wik Pangram
00:04:22 <phenny> "A pangram (Greek: pan gramma, 'every letter'), or holoalphabetic sentence, is a sentence using every letter of the alphabet at least once." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangram
00:04:29 <sbp> nope, not that. tangram?
00:04:31 <sbp> .wik Tangram
00:04:32 <phenny> "The tangram (Chinese: 七巧板; pinyin: qī qiǎo bǎn; literally 'seven boards of skill') is a dissection puzzle consisting of seven flat shapes, called tans, which are put together to form shapes." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangram
00:04:49 <sbp> yeah, that one. I'm trying to make an egg, in honour of the storks
00:04:56 <[bjoern]> .wik duodecagram
00:04:57 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "duodecagram".
00:05:10 <[bjoern]> .wik dodecagram
00:05:12 <phenny> "Dürer's Conchoid ({{MathWorld | urlname=DuerersConchoid | title=Dürer's Conchoid}}): Dürer's conchoid" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Coverage_of_Mathworld_topics/D
00:06:20 <sbp> okay, made my egg
00:06:29 <sbp> watching tons of fireworks and chinese lanterns too
00:07:07 <[bjoern]> not much of that here for what i can tell, guess 10cm+ snow + snowing and grey sky turned people off a bit.
00:07:30 <sbp> hmm, you could set off some fireworks to fight the snow
00:08:17 <sbp> local fireworks here are actually a bit meh
00:08:20 <sbp> ones in London are great though
00:08:27 <[bjoern]> I was shopping couple of hours ago, it snowed right into my tightly closed Kragen while I was trying to locate the Bürgersteig.
00:08:46 <sbp> I've noticed that in the last couple of years there have been hardly any fireworks, I guess because of the recession that everybody's making up
00:08:55 <sbp> before that, lots of fireworks
00:08:58 <sbp> .leo Kragen
00:09:05 <phenny> der Kragen - Pl. die Krägen = collar also (tech.), flange (tech.), shroud, yoke, plunged boss (tech.)
00:09:06 <phenny> der Button-down-Kragen = button-down collar
00:09:07 <phenny> to abut (constr.) = kragen | kragte, gekragt |
00:09:08 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Kragen
00:09:10 <[bjoern]> I recall plenty last year and the one before
00:09:21 <sbp> snowed straight into your yoke. I can picture it now
00:09:26 <sbp> did you mean yolk? I have an egg
00:09:37 <[bjoern]> Is it a time egg?
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00:09:49 <treed> .g strange relic
00:09:50 <phenny> treed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_s5XgDJCIA
00:10:03 <sbp> treed: HELLO FROM 2010
00:10:08 <treed> O_O
00:10:10 <treed> MY GOD
00:10:10 <sbp> THIS IS THE VOICE OF THE FUTURE
00:10:42 <sbp> I was trying to think up some witty apophthegm
00:10:48 <sbp> but the future is NOT VERY GOOD AT APOPHTHEGMS
00:10:52 <[bjoern]> You have failed.
00:11:30 <[bjoern]> Look forward towards all the fail that awaits you this fine new year (discount prices!)
00:11:36 <treed> .wn apophthegm
00:12:02 <sbp> ooh, a chinese lantern just drifted close
00:12:15 <treed> .w apophthegm
00:12:17 <phenny> apophthegm — noun: 1. A short, witty, instructive saying; an aphorism or maxim
00:12:26 * treed types slowly because of an injured finger
00:12:41 <sbp> do you use a dictaphone?
00:12:48 <treed> Nope.
00:12:57 <sbp> (dick-to-phone, a very funny joke that people who are funny tell)
00:12:59 <[bjoern]> So no need to ask if she is blonde.
00:13:29 <[bjoern]> Mostly in funny situations, I would imagine.
00:13:42 <sbp> VERY
00:14:40 <sbp> .c 2010 in octal
00:14:41 <phenny> 2010 = 0o3732
00:14:42 <sbp> .c 2010 in hex
00:14:43 <phenny> 2010 = 0x7DA
00:14:46 <sbp> .c 2010 in binary
00:14:47 <phenny> 2010 = 0b11111011010
00:15:04 <sbp> .u 2010
00:15:05 <phenny> U+2010 HYPHEN (‐)
00:15:05 <Monty> "you"
00:15:10 <sbp> "no" "you"
00:15:11 <[bjoern]> YEAR OF THE HYPHEN
00:15:15 <sbp> hehe
00:15:27 <[bjoern]> .u 2009
00:15:27 <phenny> U+2009 THIN SPACE ( )
00:15:31 <[bjoern]> fitting.
00:15:40 <[bjoern]> .u 2008
00:15:40 <phenny> U+2008 PUNCTUATION SPACE ( )
00:15:40 <Monty> "you"
00:15:44 <[bjoern]> .u 2007
00:15:44 <phenny> U+2007 FIGURE SPACE ( )
00:15:47 <[bjoern]> .u 2006
00:15:47 <phenny> U+2006 SIX-PER-EM SPACE ( )
00:15:48 <Monty> "you"
00:15:52 <sbp> 2007 figures
00:16:00 <[bjoern]> apparently we're getting out of space
00:16:06 <sbp> .u 2011
00:16:07 <phenny> U+2011 NON-BREAKING HYPHEN (‑)
00:16:07 <[bjoern]> no space left in universe.
00:16:27 <[bjoern]> increased robustness is one of the hightlights of hyphen 2.0.
00:16:34 <[bjoern]> .u 2012
00:16:35 <phenny> U+2012 FIGURE DASH (‒)
00:16:42 <sbp> yeah, but we've gotta wait until 2011 for the rollout
00:17:23 <sbp> “In England, the Feast of the Annunciation on 25 March, was the first day of the new year until the adoption of the Gregorian Calendar in 1752.”
00:17:34 <sbp> were you around when I worked out that Christmas was probably on the 6th January?
00:17:44 <sbp> we should do everything old fashioned in Swhack
00:17:55 <sbp> actually, I think 25th March is pretty good
00:18:05 <sbp> isn't that really close to the meteorological new year in the UK?
00:18:05 <Monty> so...
00:18:06 * sbp checks
00:18:26 <sbp> 28th March, yeah
00:18:43 <sbp> so Lady Day is really close to the start of Spring
00:18:54 <sbp> then again, I like the yule festivals
00:18:56 <[bjoern]> 1286705410 will be all the rage
00:18:59 <sbp> .ety yule
00:19:01 <phenny> "O.E. geol, geola 'Christmas Day, Christmastide,' from O.N. jol (pl.), a heathen feast, later taken over by Christianity, of unknown origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=yule
00:19:21 <sbp> why's that? the nanobots will be crushed by the shock and awe of George Bush Very Jr.?
00:19:40 <sbp> jol (pl.)?
00:19:41 <Monty> nokia would work. no result.
00:19:43 <sbp> what was the singular?
00:19:46 <sbp> .wik Yule
00:19:47 <phenny> "Yule or Yule-tide is a winter festival that was initially celebrated by the historical Germanic peoples as a pagan religious festival, though it was later absorbed into, and equated with, the Christian festival of Christmas." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule
00:19:56 <sbp> 2010: THE YEAR OF LEARNING STUFFS
00:20:13 <[bjoern]> it was a timestamp, but your interpretation is okay too
00:20:45 <[bjoern]> 1321009871 in contrast will be awful
00:21:43 <sbp> “Both words are thought to be derived from Common Germanic *jexwla-, and are cognate to Gothic (fruma) jiuleis and Old Norse jól (Danish and Swedish jul, Norwegian jol) as well as ýlir. The etymological pedigree of the word, however, remains uncertain, though numerous speculative attempts have been made to find Indo-European cognates outside the Germanic group.”
00:21:55 <sbp> why's that? George Bush Even More Jr. chokes on a nanopretzel?
00:21:58 <[bjoern]> ~ "In the Rhineland, the Carnival season is considered to be the "fifth season of the year", starting at November 11 at exactly 11:11 a.m. (German: am elften elften um elf Uhr elf)"
00:22:25 <sbp> ehheh
00:22:40 <[bjoern]> hence the awe 1321009871.
00:23:32 <sbp> ‘In chapter 55 of the Prose Edda book Skáldskaparmál, different names for the gods are given. One of the names provided is "Yule-beings."’
00:23:49 <[bjoern]> .gc +Yulebings
00:23:50 <phenny> +Yulebings: 0
00:23:57 <[bjoern]> .gc +"Yule Bings"
00:23:58 <phenny> +"Yule Bings": 0
00:24:02 <[bjoern]> not too bad a nickname.
00:24:18 <sbp> this is quite a good article
00:24:40 <[bjoern]> Well, it's Germanic.
00:24:48 <sbp> reeks of "we don't actually know anything about the history of this, but here are some vague speculations peppered with words so awesome that they will not fail to distractinationalise you"
00:25:08 <[bjoern]> [citation needed]
00:25:32 <sbp> I could add it to the Talk: page, but I won't
00:25:45 <[bjoern]> Shortly i will discover the secrets of setting up app engine cron job
00:26:24 <sbp> oh, I was going to make an app engine app too
00:26:32 <sbp> ah! that's why you've been asking python questions!
00:26:39 <sbp> your insanity makes a disturbing amount of sense now!
00:26:40 <[bjoern]> I told you that's why
00:26:48 <sbp> oh yeah. I actually don't remember that at all
00:26:55 <sbp> that's 2009, man
00:27:00 <sbp> that stuff is gone, it's 2010 now
00:27:14 <sbp> and anyway, if I hadn't forgotten it, I wouldn't have been able to learn it again just then
00:27:17 <sbp> 2010 is the year of learning
00:27:23 <[bjoern]> [22 Dez 09 21:45] * sbp * why aren't you using perl6?
00:27:23 <[bjoern]> [22 Dez 09 21:45] * [bjoern] * Google app engine.
00:27:23 <[bjoern]> [22 Dez 09 21:46] * sbp * why aren't you using !Google?
00:27:23 <[bjoern]> [22 Dez 09 21:46] * sbp * this is all very peculiar
00:27:23 <[bjoern]> [22 Dez 09 21:46] * sbp * are you reimplementing .leo?
00:27:24 <[bjoern]> [22 Dez 09 21:46] * [bjoern] * don't want to host crappy bot
00:27:26 <[bjoern]> [22 Dez 09 21:46] * sbp * I presume you're under extreme duress
00:27:28 <[bjoern]> [22 Dez 09 21:46] * sbp * to be using python *and* google all in one go
00:27:30 <[bjoern]> [22 Dez 09 21:47] * sbp * you should just say NO to whichever government agency has pressganged you into this
00:27:42 <sbp> see, Dez 2009. Dez was like, last month
00:28:05 <sbp> .leo December
00:28:06 <phenny> December = der Dezember
00:28:07 <phenny> beyond December 31 = über den 31. Dezember hinaus
00:28:07 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=December
00:28:08 <[bjoern]> Wrote among other things a bot that monitors requests for article deletion in the de.wikipedia.org, with output ala http://www.websitedev.de/temp/loeschkandidaten-monitor-01.html
00:28:32 <sbp> ooh, that's niftykinks
00:28:35 <sbp> oh, a question:
00:28:40 <sbp> why is Alexander called Alexander?
00:28:52 <sbp> also, please write my page monitor script for me
00:29:08 <sbp> I was gonna use github to store the cached versions
00:29:12 <[bjoern]> Because it casts holy judgement unto thy stringikins.
00:29:38 <sbp> I want to ask a stupid follow up question now
00:30:10 <[bjoern]> You always have that urge.
00:30:33 <sbp> which Alexander, exactly? The Great? I didn't think he was all that holy
00:30:41 <sbp> I was just going to go out instead
00:30:49 <sbp> but then I remembered it's the year of learning
00:30:55 <sbp> and I can't learn unless I ask stupid questions
00:31:08 <[bjoern]> One of these probably http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander
00:31:33 <sbp> ooh, stats
00:31:42 <sbp> remind me to work on you to play World of Warcraft by the way
00:31:42 <[bjoern]> I just needed a name that gives a proper three letter abbreviation, and `alx´ seemed quite okay
00:31:54 <sbp> yeah. plus then you got the xlx
00:31:57 <[bjoern]> it has the scender in the middle (only) thing going there, among other things.
00:32:00 <[bjoern]> yeah
00:32:03 <sbp> which is a roman numeral, and so on
00:32:18 <sbp> RIGHTIO, SBP AUFPUFFING INTO BERKSPACEWARDSNESS
00:32:23 <sbp> *AUS-
00:32:53 <sbp> keep up all the long established Swhack 2010 traditions
00:35:52 <[bjoern]> Enjoy Yourself and Off the Shelve Berskspazes.
00:36:42 <[bjoern]> "As in many other countries in northern Europe Jultomten brings presents on julafton"
00:38:05 <[bjoern]> .wik Blinkenlights (jargon)
00:38:06 <phenny> "Blinkenlights is a hacker's neologism for diagnostic lights on old mainframe computers and modern network hardware." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights
00:39:22 <[bjoern]> .gc contradictionary
00:39:23 <phenny> contradictionary: 2,200
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04:23:38 <nslater> phenny: "Ho con me lo stampo per farne degli altri!"?
04:23:39 <phenny> nslater: "I've got to make the mold of others!" (it to en, translate.google.com)
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05:38:53 <[bjoern]> Happy mailman day nslater.
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06:43:34 <[[sroracle]]> happy day after the last day of the previous year that is two thousand and nine years in the common era #swhack
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10:46:17 <sbp> yo
11:00:43 <sbp> .gc "aquatic pedestrianism"
11:00:43 <phenny> "aquatic pedestrianism": 27
11:05:15 <sbp> .gc Benjamina
11:05:15 <phenny> Benjamina: 90,300
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11:32:08 <Monty> howdy, jetscreamer
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13:41:17 <Monty> welcome, libby__
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13:49:56 <archels> Darn it Monty, you keep making me alt-7 for nothing.
13:50:01 <Monty> AppBox Pro - awesome looking up some stupid follow up my ($v) = kragen | kragte, gekragt |
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14:44:47 <MoiraA> sbp1
14:44:52 <MoiraA> sbp!
14:44:54 <MoiraA> even
14:45:09 <MoiraA> "shire" edinburgh falls under?
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14:52:52 <sbp> aw man, I went through all this the other day with nslater
14:53:02 <sbp> it's not in a civil county at all, it's a metropolitan zone
14:53:42 <sbp> apparently it's not even in a ceremonial county
14:53:47 <sbp> it has its own Lord Lieutenant
14:55:38 <sbp> historically, i.e. until 1975, it was in Midlothian
14:55:48 <sbp> which was sometimes colloquially called Edinburghshire
14:57:29 <sbp> oh, the Lord Lieutenant is still for Midlothian. okay
14:57:44 <sbp> MoiraA: so, ceremonially, still Midlothian
14:57:53 <sbp> but in civil terms, none; it's a unitary authority I'd guess
14:58:20 <sbp> yeah, confirmed
15:00:15 <MoiraA> ah thank you so much
15:00:24 <MoiraA> I could NOT think what this guy was after
15:00:35 <MoiraA> he is from the US and said "Edinburghshire"
15:00:53 <MoiraA> nslater also asking?
15:00:56 <MoiraA> interesting
15:01:03 <sbp> well he was asking about York
15:01:11 <sbp> we got into a big debate about what county it's in
15:01:21 <sbp> York is interesting because it switched ridings at one point
15:01:29 <sbp> it used to be in the West Riding, but then it changed to the North Riding
15:01:35 <sbp> and now it's a unitary authority... :-)
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15:53:00 <sbp> meestar hhrmann
15:53:23 <sbp> guess which ceremonial county we decided Edinburgh is in?
15:53:35 <sbp> the answer will rivet you with excitement
15:54:07 <spb> essex
15:54:41 <sbp> closer than you might think!
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16:05:34 <[bjoern]> HIS GREAT HUMBLENESS ENTERS
16:05:39 <[bjoern]> Greetings he sends.
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16:09:19 <sbp> Greetings he receives.
16:09:29 <sbp> puzzlement is expressed for no reason
16:09:42 <sbp> .ety puzzle
16:09:42 <phenny> "1590s, pusle 'bewilder, confound,' possibly frequentative of pose (v.) in obsolete sense of 'perplex' (cf. nuzzle from nose)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=puzzle
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16:39:49 <[bjoern]> So, wasn't there a way you could span a title attribute over a whole column? I tried with colgroup cols headers etc but didn't really work
16:40:09 <[bjoern]> I thought i did this before, but might have been row titles or autogenerated ones...
16:43:50 <[bjoern]> Could make a script that sneaks in the title on the cell if you mouse over it and removes it as you leave it, not sure if browsers would like that
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16:49:32 <[bjoern]> I see opera does not do scope, headers, axis, abbr at all...
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17:12:09 <sbp> title over a column: use javascript to set it for each cell?
17:12:20 <sbp> I am fully aware that this answer will be entirely unsatisfactory
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18:05:26 <archels> .ety etcetera
18:05:27 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "etcetera". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=etcetera
18:05:33 <archels> .ety "et cetera"
18:05:33 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "None". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=None
18:05:56 <archels> Does anyone know how accepted "etcetera" is in English?
18:50:16 <treed> archels: Not well, by anyone with clue.
19:03:15 <archels> Yeah, that much is certain.
19:03:22 <archels> Some dictionaries seem to find it acceptable though.
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20:01:09 <[bjoern]> sbp, nslater? need appengine help
20:10:05 <[bjoern]> I can't figure out how to manage multiple directories/applications/and such.
20:12:55 <[bjoern]> If I want "two applications", one living under /foo/ and another under /bar/, do i make two apps with their own app.yaml in their own directory, do I throw everything in the root dir with a single app.yaml with the right paths, what's with the "application:" line in the app.yaml, etc. pointers would be useful...
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20:15:30 <nslater> [bjoern]: just use one app.yaml
20:15:36 <nslater> dispatch the urls to different python methods
20:15:45 <nslater> you're free to set up your python package/modules as you wish
20:15:51 <nslater> they are automatically on the pythonpath
20:16:05 <[bjoern]> They are entirely independent applications
20:16:20 <nslater> actually
20:16:25 <nslater> this is how i do it for phenny-ws
20:16:29 <nslater> http://code.google.com/p/phenny-ws/source/browse/trunk/app.yaml
20:16:34 <nslater> http://code.google.com/p/phenny-ws/source/browse/trunk/main.py
20:17:09 <[bjoern]> Yeah but consider you'd now want to setup something similar for some other bot on the same account
20:17:46 <[bjoern]> You probably wouldn't manage that through the existing main.py
20:18:41 <[bjoern]> One reason I am asking is that Google says you can only have 10 apps and cannot delete them once created.
20:30:57 <[bjoern]> ah "We now offer the option to disable or delete applications." outdated documentation there
20:34:07 <[bjoern]> Guess it looks now like you have a subdomain per application, that would then answer my questions
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21:31:41 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's dmiles_afk!
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22:17:09 <[bjoern]> phenny, "در متن این مقاله از هیچ منبع و مأخذی نام برده نشدهاست."?
22:17:10 <phenny> [bjoern]: "This article does not cite." (fa to en, translate.google.com)
22:17:24 <[bjoern]> phenny, "شما میتوانید با افزودن منابع بر طبق اصول اثباتپذیری و شیوهنامهٔ ارجاع به منابع، به ویکیپدیا کمک کنید."?
22:17:25 <phenny> [bjoern]: "You can add principles afraid to Wikipedia can help." (fa to en, translate.google.com)
22:17:43 <[bjoern]> phenny, "مطالب بیمنبع احتمالاً در آینده حذف خواهند شد."?
22:17:44 <phenny> [bjoern]: "Subjects in the future will be deleted." (fa to en, translate.google.com)
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23:46:35 <MacTed> .ety etc
23:46:36 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "etc". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=etc
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