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02:25:17 <deltab> sbp: "The sheep discover some bagpipes which they immediately misidentify as a sick emu."
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03:37:09 <deltab> <cj> ɪ just found the ɪPɑ input meθod
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08:44:34 <Monty2> But what does scottrageous have to do with the price of fish?
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08:59:24 <Monty2> Thank goodness, mmmmmrob is back!
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09:39:10 <[bjoern]> .c 26+26+10
09:39:10 <phenny> 26 + 26 + 10 = 62
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10:18:54 <sbp> deltab: sounds like a cut scene from Madagascar 2
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10:19:40 <[bjoern]> seen Grau
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10:23:39 <sbp> somebody on BBC News just said that in Fishguard they celebrate the New Year in the Julian calendar, though this was the first time they didn't celebrate it in 100 years because of too much snow
10:23:46 <sbp> but I looked this up online and can't find it
10:24:20 <sbp> wait, I see it now
10:24:22 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/600169.stm
10:24:23 <phenny> sbp: BBC News | WALES | Double millennium for calendar rebels
10:24:40 <sbp> “The double celebration is the result of the 200-strong rural community's decision to stick with the Julian system instead of switching to the Gregorian calendar with the rest of Britain in 1752.”
10:25:26 <sbp> and http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/8455227.stm
10:25:29 <sbp> .title
10:25:32 <phenny> sbp: BBC News - Pembrokeshire 'New Year' snowed off in Gwaun
10:29:33 <sbp> --
10:29:34 <sbp> In a tiny village on the Welsh coast lived an old lady, a virgin
10:29:34 <sbp> and very proud of it. Sensing that her final days were rapidly
10:29:35 <sbp> approaching, and desiring to make sure everything was in
10:29:35 <sbp> proper order when she dies, she went to the town's
10:29:35 <sbp> undertaker (who also happened to be the local postal clerk)
10:29:36 <sbp> to make proper "final" arrangements.
10:29:38 <sbp> As a last wish, she informed the undertaker that she wanted
10:29:40 <sbp> the following inscription engraved on her tom bstone:
10:29:42 <sbp> “BORN A VIRGIN, LIVED AS A VIRGIN, DIED A VIRGIN"
10:29:44 <sbp> Not long after, the old maid died peacefully. A few days after
10:29:46 <sbp> the funeral, as the undertaker--postal clerk went to prepare
10:29:48 <sbp> the tombstone that the lady had requested, it became quite
10:29:50 <sbp> apparent that the tombstone that she had selected was
10:29:54 <sbp> much too small for the wording that she had chosen. He
10:29:56 <sbp> thought long and hard about how he could fulfill the old
10:29:58 <sbp> maid's final request, considering the very limited space
10:30:00 <sbp> available on the sm all piece of stone.
10:30:02 <sbp> For days, he agonized over the dilemma. But finally his
10:30:04 <sbp> experience as a postal worker allowed him to come up with
10:30:06 <sbp> what he thought was the appropriate solution to the
10:30:08 <sbp> problem.
10:30:10 <sbp> The virgin's tombstone was finally completed and duly
10:30:14 <sbp> engraved, and it reads as follows:
10:30:14 <sbp> "RETURNED UNOPENED"
10:30:16 <sbp> --
10:30:18 <sbp> from http://ottawawelshsociety.com/Bwletin%2007%2001%20D.pdf
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10:32:31 <sbp> the link text on the BBC News front page:
10:32:35 <sbp> “Violent games 'worse' than porn”
10:32:37 <sbp> the actual story:
10:32:52 <sbp> ‘Violent video games have "a much bigger negative influence on kids" than pornography, a leading porn star [Ron Jeremy] has claimed.’
10:33:01 <[bjoern]> There should be more combining both.
10:33:15 <sbp> there is one famous one
10:33:20 <sbp> .c city Ron Jeremy
10:33:20 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no result.
10:33:22 <sbp> .g city Ron Jeremy
10:33:23 <phenny> sbp: http://www.life.com/search/?type=images&q0=union+square&k64438=New+York+City&k206455=Ron+Jeremy
10:33:26 <sbp> no no
10:33:51 <sbp> hmm, can't remember what it's called now
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10:34:45 <[bjoern]> You imagined it.
10:35:03 <sbp> I'm sure there was porn and violence!
10:35:42 <sbp> www.bonetown.com
10:36:39 <[bjoern]> toon porn count not it does.
10:37:43 <sbp> there must be some real porn in there somewhere...
10:38:12 <[bjoern]> There must be a joke in there...
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14:13:27 <Monty2> hi MacTed
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15:05:36 <archels> .u note
15:05:37 <Monty2> "you"
15:05:37 <phenny> U+266A EIGHTH NOTE (♪)
15:05:49 <archels> .u double note
15:05:49 <Monty2> "you"
15:05:50 <phenny> archels: Sorry, no results for 'double note'.
15:06:31 <sbp> .u quarter note
15:06:31 <phenny> U+2669 QUARTER NOTE (♩)
15:06:35 <sbp> .u minim
15:06:36 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no results for 'minim'.
15:06:37 <sbp> .u breve
15:06:38 <phenny> U+02D8 BREVE (˘)
15:07:05 <archels> .u beamed notes
15:07:06 <phenny> U+266B BEAMED EIGHTH NOTES (♫)
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16:03:34 <[bjoern]> hmm split string into good utf8 / bad utf8, dewin1252 the bads, then join again...
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16:10:03 <Monty2> hey nwalsh
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16:37:13 <Monty2> sbp: You asked me to remind you to do book stuff
16:38:13 <Monty2> sbp: You asked me to remind you to do it if you didn't do it yesterday, that is
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17:19:12 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 3 hours to do book stuff
17:19:12 <Monty2> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Wed Jan 13 20:21:04 GMT 2010
17:19:28 * jeanniecool reminds SeanB now, unhelpfully
17:20:25 <sbp> hehe. hey jeanniecool!
17:20:36 <jeanniecool> How you been, darling?
17:20:40 <sbp> yeah, totals can't do it now. too busy to do it now
17:20:44 <sbp> not too bad thanks, Christmas was fun
17:20:46 <sbp> how about you?
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17:40:44 <jeanniecool> my hols were lovely, sbp.
17:40:55 <jeanniecool> Having a hard time with the concept of "2010", though....
17:42:40 <sbp> yeah. I keep knowing it's 2010 but typing "200" and then getting confused about whether to type 1 or 10
17:42:46 <jeanniecool> lol
17:42:53 * jeanniecool is ready for her jet pack now, dammit
17:43:07 * jeanniecool has a funny to share
17:44:07 <jeanniecool> I hang out in a couple of the xkcd IRC channels, and one of them is xkcd-love, where the kids come for advice,
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17:45:28 <jeanniecool> and the little geeky boys were talking about wanting girls,
17:45:54 <jeanniecool> and one of the kids said, <trimeta> I like my women like I like my jet packs: I'd be happy just to have one, never mind what properties it had.
17:46:01 * jeanniecool laughed a *lot*
17:48:19 * jeanniecool sighs
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17:49:11 <jeanniecool> apparently no one else thinks it's as funny as I did.
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17:57:54 <MacTed> *laughs* I like it.
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18:01:24 <jeanniecool> oh thank gawd
18:01:28 * jeanniecool likes MacTed
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18:22:36 <sbp> jeanniecool: chuckle
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18:27:59 <jeanniecool> Phew, SeanB. You had me worried!
18:29:10 <sbp> so which is better in your opinion, a woman or a jet pack?
18:29:20 <jeanniecool> Hmm.
18:29:22 <jeanniecool> For me?
18:29:34 <sbp> just in general, I suppose
18:29:40 <jeanniecool> Women are fun, but a jet pack would have more practical application in my life. :-)
18:29:52 <jeanniecool> That might be different for a straight boy. ;-)
18:30:00 <sbp> depends on the jet pack
18:30:12 <jeanniecool> lol
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18:43:56 <calvino.freenode.net> Topic for #swhack is: WHAT THE FUCK IS IN YOUR .plan FILE?!
18:43:56 <calvino.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: loggy nwalsh mmmmmrob xjrn jeffarch jeanniecool m4rk sivy hannes__ davisp MacTed tro Grau libby scottrageous [bjoern] BigJibby tav tobbez treed eel CIA-77 lmorchard deltab l7 maxkelley archels p6eval _ulises xxv jessica nslater lisppaste2 Morbus [[sroracle]] edsu Tene Jibbler ti`ocpi clsn shepazu Xanthor[aw] procto realist kpreid JibberJim jsled Monty2 spb dmiles_afk nsh sbp Arnia phenny
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18:44:15 <calvino.freenode.net> Topic for #swhack is: WHAT THE FUCK IS IN YOUR .plan FILE?!
18:44:15 <calvino.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: loggy nwalsh mmmmmrob xjrn jeffarch jeanniecool m4rk sivy hannes__ davisp MacTed tro Grau libby scottrageous [bjoern] BigJibby tav tobbez treed eel CIA-77 lmorchard deltab l7 maxkelley archels p6eval _ulises xxv jessica nslater lisppaste2 Morbus [[sroracle]] edsu Tene Jibbler ti`ocpi clsn shepazu Xanthor[aw] procto realist kpreid JibberJim jsled Monty2 spb dmiles_afk nsh sbp Arnia phenny
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18:46:43 <Monty2> hey panni_
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19:08:24 <Monty> hey Jibbler2
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19:57:20 <clsn> sbp: ping?
19:58:19 <sbp> clsn: pong
19:59:35 <clsn> K, so I'm looking to allow certain other modules to call some stuff on an object that I don't want them to have access to... Basically I'm looking for a way to make something "private". I'm using a closure, but it can be defeated. This happens not to be a real concern, but I'm curious if there's a right way.
20:00:05 <clsn> (oh this is in Python)
20:00:15 <sbp> brb
20:00:19 <clsn> AFAIK Python doesn't do "private" members of a class etc.
20:01:59 <sbp> not really, no
20:02:06 <sbp> you can do self.__attr = something
20:02:10 <sbp> and the __ does some magic to hide it
20:02:17 <sbp> but the magic can be broken by inspecting the object carefully
20:02:56 <clsn> __ doesn't stop anyone who knows to look for __; dir() shows all the __attrs near as I can tell.
20:03:42 <clsn> It turns out that closure.func_closure[0].cell_contents contains the "secret" parameter that I am supposedly hiding, in the test case I'm playing with on the command line.
20:04:23 <sbp> yup:
20:04:23 <sbp> >>> class Example(object):
20:04:23 <sbp> ... def __init__(self):
20:04:24 <sbp> ... self.__example = True
20:04:24 <sbp> ...
20:04:24 <sbp> >>> example = Example()
20:04:28 <sbp> >>> dir(example)
20:04:30 <sbp> ['_Example__example', '__class__', '__delattr__', '__dict__', '__doc__', '__format__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__module__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__sizeof__', '__str__', '__subclasshook__', '__weakref__']
20:04:34 <sbp> >>>
20:05:57 <sbp> oh wait. I wonder if miniclass would help
20:06:01 <sbp> .g miniclass inamidst
20:06:02 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/code/
20:06:07 <sbp> .g miniclass.py inamidst
20:06:07 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/code/
20:06:11 <sbp> .g miniclass.py inamidst filetype:py
20:06:11 <phenny> sbp: No results found for 'miniclass.py inamidst filetype:py'.
20:06:15 <sbp> AAAH
20:06:23 <sbp> .g miniclass.py inamidst inurl:py
20:06:23 <phenny> sbp: No results found for 'miniclass.py inamidst inurl:py'.
20:06:25 <sbp> heh
20:07:14 <clsn> (see how well THAT is hidden?? If we could do that, we'd be onto something...) :)
20:08:41 <sbp> chuckle, yeah
20:09:03 <sbp> anyway, http://inamidst.com/code/miniclass.py obviously
20:09:19 <clsn> ok, will check.
20:09:26 <clsn> or ratherm, checking.
20:09:36 <sbp> or maybe that other thing would help
20:10:33 <clsn> (I didn't even know to look in module inspect. Huh!)
20:11:45 <sbp> clsn: http://paste.lisp.org/display/43630
20:13:02 <clsn> Oh I remember, this is the thing tav was working on right, that could prevent someone from screwing up your environment in evil ways...
20:13:32 <sbp> yeah
20:13:37 <sbp> dunno if there's something in there you can use
20:13:47 <sbp> there's a lot of magics in both of these things, don't recall exactly how they work
20:13:52 <sbp> (if I ever even checked)
20:14:00 <sbp> I remember trying to hax safe.py and I found some bugs
20:14:11 <sbp> which were patched. then it went live on the python lists, and they found a ton, all patched
20:14:15 <clsn> Maybe. I'm going to study and grok them, but in point of fact the people I'm "protecting" against are really on our side anyway.
20:14:23 <sbp> hehe
20:14:25 <clsn> I think even I found one once.
20:14:37 <sbp> a bug in safe.py?
20:15:12 <clsn> I think. Probably an early version. I remember talking to tav about it.
20:15:43 <clsn> I just copied one of the sneakinesses from one of the posts it was inspired by I think, one that was only partly closed up.
20:16:20 <sbp> ah, clever
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20:19:15 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to do book stuff
20:19:38 <sbp> already did it, Monty
20:19:42 <Monty> I reckon jazz-mags + whores = testy Super-Cuccoo, apparently.
20:20:52 <clsn> mmm... I think I messed with "import" or "__builtins__" or something like that, and they had to stop that (which was done)
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