00:00:00 <sbp> I'll wait if you're really going to do it though
00:00:06 * tav bitchslaps sbp
00:00:19 * tav cries
00:00:29 <Arnia> yeah, it will be very very rough... but should show what I'm thinking
00:00:34 <deltab> sbp: found this today: http://www.lovettsoftware.com/videos/architectureexplorer.wmv
00:00:48 <nslater> tav, i overheard a guy talking about rape last night
00:00:52 <tav> right in the middle, is a big jar of cream...
00:00:53 <nslater> as you mentioned it
00:00:57 * sbp spawns a fleet of pro pimpslamp [sic] bastards from the planet crackface, and sends them out to track down tav and pimpslamp [sic] him back to the neopaleolithic
00:01:28 <tav> ^^ there! i have proof!! he is the evils!!!
00:01:28 <sbp> dunno where I got pimpslamp from, but DAMN do I dig it
00:01:38 <sbp> hey, blame the pimpslampers
00:01:40 <nslater> tav, the snippet of rather strange conversation i overheard sent something like "you should tickle her. it's not rape if she's laughing"
00:01:46 <nslater> *went
00:01:51 <tav> from the devil himself no doubt!!!
00:01:55 * sbp looks at the wmv
00:02:00 <tav> nslater!
00:02:07 <sbp> the devil does not live on planet crackface
00:02:14 <nslater> tav!
00:02:25 <nslater> .gc "it's not rape if she's laughing"
00:02:26 <phenny> "it's not rape if she's laughing": 0
00:02:27 <tav> ehm, i'm not sure such conversations are to be merely overheard...
00:02:37 <nslater> wow. not on the internet anywhere.
00:02:50 <sbp> deltab: ooh, yeah!
00:02:59 <tav> nslater finds a porn niche
00:03:00 <nslater> tav, what should i have done?
00:03:01 <sbp> like this but... with more invention
00:03:09 <sbp> (in terms of motifs I mean)
00:03:50 <nslater> .gs it's not rape if *
00:03:51 <phenny> it's not rape if *: you (29), she (12), she's (8), you yell (7), they (7), she's dead (6)
00:03:52 <sbp> people will one day get teary eyed thinking about the joy of UML, heh
00:03:56 <nslater> .gs it's not rape if she's *
00:03:57 <phenny> it's not rape if she's *: dead (39), not (6), a stripper (5), a (5), willing (4), already (4)
00:04:09 <nslater> .gs it's not rape if she *
00:04:10 <phenny> it's not rape if she *: doesn (11), was (7), wants (7), enjoys (7), 's dead (7), blinks (6)
00:04:11 <tav> the what of uml ?
00:04:20 <sbp> the oldest kind
00:04:40 <sbp> ...I completely misread your four words
00:04:44 <sbp> the joy, I know
00:04:53 <nslater> three lines, same length. oh joy
00:04:57 <tav> nslater: more than just overhear it? *shrug*
00:05:00 <nslater> shame sbp simultaneously created and ruined it
00:05:16 <sbp> oh yeah?
00:05:18 <sbp> what did I do?
00:05:28 <tav> you rueeened it!
00:05:37 <tav> pimpslave-fucking bitch-queen!
00:05:40 <nslater> i just liked this
00:05:40 <nslater> http://skitch.com/nslater/n1546/macirssi-swhack
00:05:44 <nslater> tav, are you drunk?
00:05:45 * sbp chox
00:05:55 <tav> nope, quite sober
00:05:59 <nslater> k
00:06:05 <nslater> drink more alcohol then
00:06:10 <tav> i've just been looking at bash for the last half hour
00:06:24 <nslater> stop that at once
00:06:32 <nslater> tav, do you have msn?
00:06:36 <nslater> or skype?
00:06:45 <sbp> tav: does bitch-queen mean "queen of the bitches" or "queen who is also a bitch"?
00:06:49 <tav> oh yeah!! now, the dirty pics come out!
00:07:00 <tav> ehm, yes, skype:tavespian
00:07:07 <nslater> sbp, i would posit that the ambiguity is a bonus
00:07:16 <sbp> no I must know
00:07:45 <nslater> i added you
00:08:14 <sbp> dude you're a CALCULATOR
00:08:19 <sbp> you an ADDING machine mang!
00:08:56 * tav looks at skype
00:08:57 <nslater> :(
00:09:09 <sbp> datatypes are really weird
00:09:17 <sbp> how the fuck did we end up with this set of datatypes?
00:09:23 <tav> noDeflaterTonite wants to add you?
00:09:31 <sbp> how come especially the associative mechanisms and arrays and stuff took the shapes they did?
00:09:42 <nslater> good monospaced font for irc?
00:09:48 <sbp> the hashtable especially, that is a weird metaphor for oversized formulae
00:10:07 <sbp> Arnia could explain, if he wasn't busy drawing the future
00:10:36 <tav> he's a gonna BLOW us!
00:10:52 <sbp> heavy pneumatics
00:13:35 <sbp> hmm
00:13:54 <sbp> starry crown is from Revelations isn't it?
00:15:04 <sbp> yeah, Rev 12:1
00:15:11 <sbp> what an amazing book that is
00:15:23 <sbp> John of Patmos. good stuff
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00:15:39 <sbp> there is no other book that sings so clearly in my head
00:15:55 <sbp> it's like a perfect crystal hit with a golden hammer, resonating away
00:15:58 <deltab> nslater: why monospaced? apart from the occasional ascii art, there's not much need for it in irc
00:16:29 <sbp> would be nice to read the Greek
00:16:32 <sbp> or, actually, maybe not
00:16:43 <sbp> John of Patmos apparently wasn't a native Greek writer
00:16:53 <sbp> so his sentences are a little peculiar to say the least
00:17:03 <sbp> then again, perhaps that adds to the effect. hehe
00:17:04 <Arnia> really REALLY rough... but sent
00:17:08 <sbp> great!
00:17:15 <deltab> sent?
00:17:31 <nslater> deltab: i just prefer it
00:17:33 <Arnia> It is hard to capture though... the top pane can be expanded or collapsed
00:17:55 <Arnia> and I've tried to capture that it is a hyperbolic graph
00:17:56 <sbp> your lipsum is hilarious
00:18:00 <Arnia> but probably failed
00:18:20 <tav> SENT?
00:18:21 <tav> where?
00:18:24 * tav strokes deltab
00:18:26 <Arnia> tav@esp
00:18:30 <tav> hi *wink*
00:18:34 <sbp> very nice. I suppose you could delete nodes and connections and so forth?
00:18:39 <Arnia> yeah
00:18:43 <Arnia> well, nodes
00:18:51 <Arnia> connections indicate there is a link between the two nodes
00:18:56 <sbp> can you bung it somewhere for deltab to see?
00:19:01 <Arnia> I would have two styles of link (followed and unfollowed)
00:19:04 <Arnia> not really :/
00:19:07 <deltab> aww
00:19:15 <Arnia> Email?
00:19:21 <deltab> sure
00:19:23 <tav> thx
00:20:23 <sbp> tav: I'll try to focus on ampify tomorrow
00:20:38 <sbp> I need to get a better tack on it
00:20:43 <tav> woo! thx, x
00:20:52 <tav> i'll be at my friend's wedding in the morning/afternoon
00:21:01 <sbp> k. enjoy that!
00:21:20 <sbp> offs. 'night!
00:21:20 <tav> and unless i get distracted by dancing, cya tmrw — if not, defo sunday
00:21:26 <tav> nn!
00:21:27 <Arnia> sbp: night
00:21:30 <Arnia> deltab: sent
00:21:36 <deltab> thanks!
00:21:46 <nslater> cya sbp
00:22:59 * Arnia ponders more
00:23:06 * Arnia decides he's getting distracted
00:23:09 <tav> Arnia: care to elaborate?
00:23:23 <Arnia> tav: an alternative to tabs
00:23:32 <Arnia> instead of having tabs, you have your whole history in a graph
00:23:49 <tav> aha
00:23:50 <tav> nice
00:23:54 <Arnia> you can pin bits of the graph you're interested in, and release those pins
00:24:02 <Arnia> you can filter the graph
00:24:11 <Arnia> you can navigate forwards, backwards and sideways
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00:24:32 <Arnia> you can always see how you got to a particular page
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00:26:18 <Arnia> The entire thing is drawn as a hyperbolic graph visualisation with your current page in the centre and pinned pages shown as if they were second level items
00:26:31 <Arnia> (without links drawn of course, unless they exist)
00:26:48 <Arnia> It might not work... but I think it is an intriguing idea
00:27:25 <Arnia> it is actually a UI I think would work well on the iPad, where you can do direct manipulation on the graph
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00:38:56 <nslater> Arnia, i dont get it
00:39:11 <Arnia> non-linear browsing :p
00:39:19 <Arnia> *stateful* non-linear browsing
00:44:25 <Arnia> nslater, or someone, could you check the keynote and see whether the iPad Steve Jobs was using was plugged into anything?
00:44:46 <nslater> nope, not me
00:44:50 <nslater> ive not watched the keynote
00:45:10 <Arnia> I can't stream it here
00:45:20 <Arnia> It is at about 14 minutes
00:45:26 <nslater> link
00:45:41 <Arnia> http://www.apple.com/ipad/
00:45:55 <nslater> grumble
00:46:04 <Arnia> The link from that page goes to an edge content delivery server, so I can't link deeper
00:46:30 <nslater> watching
00:46:32 <nslater> :(
00:47:08 <Arnia> (well, I could... but I'd probably give you a server in Germany given that's what O2's IP location seems to think I am at)
00:48:17 <nslater> it doesnt look plugged in
00:48:24 <nslater> oh, it is
00:48:27 <nslater> it is plugged in
00:48:38 <nslater> he just lifted it up
00:48:42 <nslater> and there's a black wire comming from it
00:48:50 <Arnia> Ah, good
00:48:50 <Arnia> Fo
00:49:07 <nslater> why?
00:49:09 <Arnia> For a while I was very confused about how he was showing it on the screen
00:49:19 <nslater> aha
00:49:22 <Arnia> I couldn't see a wire and he seemed to just sit down and use it
00:49:33 <nslater> yeah, its a black wire
00:49:37 <Arnia> I thought it was either faked, or it was broadcasting its display over wifi
00:50:05 <Arnia> (which would be cool... but unlikely)
01:14:26 <Arnia> I am getting more and more puzzled by the sheer hostility towards the iPad.
01:14:37 <Arnia> This has gone beyond the critic problem
01:15:08 <Arnia> It is pushing towards hysteria
01:16:05 <Arnia> I can sort of see how hysteria FOR something works, but hysteria AGAINST something is something I associate with moral panics. How on earth can a piece of consumer technology like the iPad cause a moral panic?
01:16:10 <Arnia> Bizarre...
01:17:33 <Arnia> It is as if people feel injured by the device's existence. Can anyone point me to other examples of this (other devices) which I may have missed?
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01:46:49 <Arnia> .c 529USD / (15.63 GBP per hour)
01:46:50 <phenny> (529 U.S. dollars) / (15.63 (British pounds per hour)) = 21.1638129 hours
01:46:58 <Arnia> Woah
01:47:05 <Arnia> That was better than I thought
01:48:54 <Arnia> Making the optimistic assumption that I only lose an hour a day due to the form factor of a laptop given my work and medical conditions (I need to keep adjusting posture cos of my RSD and sitting at a desk doesn't help), and that I buy the highest spec iPad... just over 21 days would pay for the difference in price between a cheap $300 netbook and the iPad
01:49:34 <Arnia> and that ignores the slowdowns in my workflow due to the inefficiency of reading and annotating PDFs on laptops
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03:35:43 <nsh> lol
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05:49:24 <[bjoern]> nsh: xlpn ur lol plz
05:49:45 <nsh> Arnia wants an iPad
05:49:52 <[bjoern]> lol
05:49:54 <[bjoern]> thx
05:50:00 <nsh> np
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07:49:21 <[bjoern]> OMG NINJAS
07:50:00 <jeanniecool> what was that, [bjoern]?
07:50:03 <jeanniecool> Penis, you say?
07:51:15 <[bjoern]> Thank you, but I have sufficient quantaties of penis at the moment.
07:52:20 <[bjoern]> We are arguing here which devices in 60s bond movies are said symbols
07:54:02 <[bjoern]> There is much fail in the scripts.
07:55:46 <jeanniecool> ...isn't everything, [bjoern]?
07:57:02 <[bjoern]> If I would confirm that, where would be the fun in that?
07:58:41 <jeanniecool> lol
07:59:33 <[bjoern]> If you'd be a girl of the 60s, that't be pretty groovy, I sometimes think.
08:04:12 <[bjoern]> Oh you always say that.
08:04:28 <jeanniecool> Define "of the 60s", [bjoern].
08:04:57 * jeanniecool was, in fact, born in them
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08:15:13 <[bjoern]> Don't expect an 80s person to define the 60s.
08:16:25 <[bjoern]> Even, if not especially, if you would want me to you would not want me to.
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11:31:18 <niven.freenode.net> Topic for #swhack is: Gradual Cognitive Conservativism & Intellectual Inertia
11:31:18 <niven.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: loggy phenny cre8radix MaienM xxv tobbez Arnia scottrageous JibberJim spb treed CaptSolo Morbus edsu tro Tene nsh _ulises davisp [bjoern] jeffarch maxkelley l7 p6eval jeanniecool archels BigJibby jetscreamer cori[s] clsn sbp lmorchard|away MoiraA_ griff ti`ocpi dmiles_afk Jibbler MoiraA MacTed nslater oierw jsled jessica realist @ChanServ
11:31:26 <sbp> Not. A. Bug
11:31:49 <[bjoern]> He's been around a lot lately
11:31:56 <sbp> ARE YOU READY?
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11:31:58 <sbp> 11:26 <sbp> warning: the following version of phenny contains code by d8uv
11:31:58 <sbp> 11:26 <sbp> .t d8uv
11:31:58 <sbp> 11:26 <phenny> Sat Jan 30 02:26:16 AKST 2010
11:31:59 <[bjoern]> Might become a new regular.
11:31:59 <sbp> 11:26 <sbp> wow, it works
11:32:01 <sbp> 11:26 <sbp> freaking awesome
11:32:03 <sbp> 11:27 <sbp> phenny: tell d8uv I pulled your change, I edited out the Person variable in clock.py since it wasn't actually being used, and then I commited the changes and built a new version and published it without testing. then I cycled phenny on helios, and tried your code. it worked. ARE YOU AMAZED?!
11:32:05 <[bjoern]> OMG
11:32:07 <sbp> 11:27 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when d8uv is around.
11:32:09 <sbp> 11:27 <[bjoern]> nu
11:32:11 <sbp> 11:27 <sbp> henu!
11:32:13 <[bjoern]> nu
11:32:13 <sbp> 11:27 <[bjoern]> Above the sun, Sean!
11:32:15 <sbp> 11:28 <sbp> Greetos!
11:32:17 <sbp> 11:28 <[bjoern]> How do things suck?
11:32:21 <sbp> 11:28 <sbp> they suck with vim and vigour and a little secret ingredient I call pith
11:32:23 <sbp> 11:28 <[bjoern]> I am inclined to say "excellent"
11:32:25 <sbp> 11:28 <sbp> but I am not aware of the full extent of the suck so far today because I have done nothing yet but check my email. they all sucked except for d8uv's patch
11:32:28 <sbp> 11:29 <[bjoern]> I would expect additional suckage.
11:32:29 <[bjoern]> I never said that
11:32:30 <sbp> 11:29 <sbp> —
11:32:32 <sbp> 11:29 <sbp> d8uv wants you to pull from d8uv/phenny at master
11:32:34 <sbp> 11:29 <sbp> Body: I think I added the personal timezones back, WHO KNOWS
11:32:36 <sbp> 11:29 <sbp> —
11:32:38 <sbp> 11:29 <[bjoern]> d 8 u v f t w.
11:32:40 <sbp> 11:29 <MaienM> those got removed? I never noticed....
11:32:41 <[bjoern]> It's lying like it used to at least.
11:32:42 <sbp> 11:29 <sbp> yeah
11:32:44 <sbp> 11:30 <sbp> and he even added them back in with a config option
11:32:46 <sbp> 11:30 <sbp> with the same variable that I'd have chosen and so on
11:32:50 <sbp> 11:30 <sbp> it is quite scary
11:33:07 <sbp> you forgot to thank me for giving you a chance to annotate these forged logs
11:33:18 <sbp> also, AaronSw did that once for a *whole day's logs*
11:33:19 <[bjoern]> Did not.
11:33:34 <sbp> I think it was pasting for like half an hour or something
11:33:55 <sbp> I also think d8uv pasted the entire bash manual in a channel once
11:34:00 <[bjoern]> Oh you are always pasting like half an hour or something.
11:34:15 <MaienM> who knows [bjoern], it might just happen ;)
11:34:24 <[bjoern]> We need more desploder graphs.
11:34:32 <[bjoern]> I know, usually.
11:34:57 <sbp> hmm
11:35:06 <sbp> I need a tool which notifies me that loggy is down
11:35:06 <[bjoern]> Look, no boobs = no interest. boobs = lol, this is irc.
11:35:16 <sbp> clearly what I need to do is write another bot
11:35:20 <[bjoern]> We do, and it doesn't help.
11:35:23 <sbp> that monitors whether the first bot is present
11:35:32 <sbp> but then that one might go down
11:35:34 <MaienM> do you have a restart link for it?
11:35:37 <[bjoern]> You are pretending to care.
11:35:44 <MaienM> so someone can restart it using a page
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11:35:56 <sbp> so I'll need to add something to loggy that monitors whether the monitor bot is there
11:35:56 <[bjoern]> Kill CIA-74!
11:36:10 <sbp> careful, the CIA are powerful
11:36:29 <sbp> look how thoroughly they caught and punished the world's greatest criminal
11:36:38 <sbp> a joke, of course: George W. Bush is still on the loose!
11:36:40 <[bjoern]> Yeah but not in their 74th instance.
11:37:10 <sbp> a restart link is not a bad idea
11:37:15 <MaienM> another channel I am in is using loggy too, and they have restart links, so I wrote a script that auto-restarts them when they die
11:37:31 <MaienM> so if you had that I could add it to them and annoy all of you to hell with that too
11:37:42 <sbp> I will do this
11:37:56 <[bjoern]> (not the first time he said that)
11:38:27 * sbp peers at http://gimble.notabug.com/
11:38:32 <sbp> I will not do this
11:38:58 <[bjoern]> git the git a bit!
11:41:13 <sbp> .yi
11:41:13 <phenny> Not yet...
11:41:39 <[bjoern]> .web web
11:41:39 <phenny> [bjoern]: the .web command has been removed; ask sbp for details
11:41:50 <sbp> go on, ask me!
11:41:59 <sbp> I love being asked about .web
11:42:00 <[bjoern]> You wish.
11:42:02 <sbp> hehe
11:42:15 <sbp> I never could work out how to make .web not suck
11:42:34 <[bjoern]> Don't see how that would stop you.
11:42:42 <sbp> true. hmm
11:42:46 <sbp> actually I have an idea
11:42:58 <MaienM> alright, I'll take the bait, what is/was .web?
11:43:01 * [bjoern] .oO{ Oh deity }
11:43:09 <sbp> it was a web browser in phenny
11:43:17 <[bjoern]> Kill it now!
11:43:22 <MaienM> how is that supposed to work? xD
11:43:33 <sbp> you'll see, I'll reimplement it only in a WORKING FORM
11:43:40 <MaienM> so, never
11:43:40 <[bjoern]> MaienM: How are you supposed to fall down a cliff?
11:43:41 <sbp> (* WORKING may be a lie)
11:43:48 <sbp> (* FORM too)
11:44:00 <MaienM> screaming, I'd say
11:44:03 <[bjoern]> (* and thats not ALL)
11:44:17 <[bjoern]> please demonstrate
11:44:36 <MaienM> hmm, maybe some other time
11:44:47 <[bjoern]> no. now.
11:44:58 <MaienM> no.
11:45:32 <sbp> this would be a lot easier if I remembered how phenny worked
11:45:36 <[bjoern]> Think it through again please.
11:45:42 <MaienM> *sigh*
11:45:44 <MaienM> alright then
11:45:47 <sbp> okay, it would possibly be easier
11:45:53 * MaienM picks [bjoern] up and throws him down a cliff
11:46:03 <[bjoern]> When did we ever care about easier?
11:46:03 <sbp> good demonstration, I approve
11:46:34 <sbp> hmm
11:46:42 <sbp> this is only going to work if I write a WEB SERVICE!
11:46:48 <[bjoern]> I knew you wouldnt know.
11:47:01 <[bjoern]> Next you'll mention Google.
11:47:09 <sbp> no really, I'm going to make a web service. using Goo... er
11:47:15 <sbp> I'm going to make a web service
11:47:47 <[bjoern]> What if your mental capacities were reduced?
11:47:56 <sbp> then I'd make a better service
11:48:10 <[bjoern]> I approve.
11:51:54 <[bjoern]> .gc "life is not a wiki"
11:51:55 <phenny> "life is not a wiki": 1
11:52:01 <sbp> nearly done
11:52:16 <sbp> .o
11:52:19 <phenny> sbp: Try http://code.google.com/p/phenny-ws/wiki/ServiceDefinitions for details.
11:52:22 <[bjoern]> nu.o
11:54:24 <sbp> hmm, it doesn't work
11:54:37 <MaienM> how surprising
11:54:40 <[bjoern]> what else is new.
11:54:50 <sbp> oh, I see why
11:54:55 <sbp> #!/usr/bin/env
11:55:02 <sbp> not the best shebang to have in a shell script
11:55:12 <[bjoern]> #/sbin/nu
11:55:22 <sbp> hehe
11:56:16 <sbp> still won't work, but it's getting better
11:56:52 <[bjoern]> Not working in a better way -- excellent.
11:57:23 <sbp> ooh. that was a spectacular fail there
11:57:31 <sbp> glad I'm not testing this in phenny, heh
11:57:45 <[bjoern]> f t w.
12:11:26 <CIA-74> phenny-ws: 03sean.b.palmer * r170 10/wiki/ServiceDefinitions.wiki: Added .o web
12:11:38 <[bjoern]> kill it kill it!
12:11:43 <sbp> hehe
12:11:50 <sbp> .o web http://www.w3.org/
12:11:50 <phenny> Only supports fully fledged URIs, e.g. ".web http://news.bbc.co.uk/"
12:11:55 <sbp> good start
12:12:15 <[bjoern]> eheheh
12:14:13 * Arnia splodes
12:14:13 <phenny> Arnia: 11:04Z <sbp> tell Arnia I don't know either, but one interesting feature is that all the negative feedback I've seen so far has been quite incoherent, or at least badly (often shallowly) thought out. so perhaps try asking someone like nsh why they don't like it?
12:14:33 <Arnia> nsh: why don't you like it?
12:15:52 <sbp> .o web http://www.w3.org/
12:15:53 <phenny> #Help W3C NewsW3C W3C [W3C By Region.......................] Go * Standards * Participate * Membership * About W3C * ____________________ (Submit) SearchSite NavigationStandards Header link * Web Design and Applications * Web Architecture * Semantic Web * XML Technology * Web of Services * Web of Dev
12:15:59 <sbp> .o web http://news.bbc.co.uk/
12:16:00 <phenny> #BBC NEWS | News Front Page Low Graphics A to Z BBC Help Terms of Use BBC Accessibility links * Low graphics * Skip to content * Skip to local navigation * Skip to bbc.co.uk navigation * Skip to bbc.co.uk search * Help * Accessibility Help * Access keys helpBBC News Updated every minute of every day watch
12:16:01 <[bjoern]> ...
12:16:23 <Arnia> sbp: what are you trying to do?
12:16:30 <sbp> I don't even know!
12:17:00 <Arnia> sbp: there is a python library that uses some heuristics to make a stab at locating the 'content' in a page
12:17:06 <MaienM> I really don't see how this could be useful (or how it even could work) but meh :P
12:17:09 <Arnia> sbp: so, stripping page chrome
12:17:13 <sbp> .o web http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Jan/0496.html
12:17:14 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, the service is broken.
12:17:38 <MaienM> there you go, you broke the web
12:17:39 <sbp> this quality programming has been brought to you by sbp
12:17:46 <MaienM> are you happy now?
12:17:52 <griff> I'm happy
12:18:13 <sbp> MaienM: well, you've seen .wik right?
12:18:20 <sbp> if only all pages were formatted like Wikipedia pages
12:18:20 <MaienM> mhm
12:18:24 <MaienM> its useful :D
12:18:35 <MaienM> yeah, if all pages were formatted the same it would be easy
12:18:45 <MaienM> but that'd make the web pretty boring too
12:20:10 <Arnia> http://ai-depot.com/articles/the-easy-way-to-extract-useful-text-from-arbitrary-html/
12:21:37 <sbp> —
12:21:38 <sbp> natch Says:
12:21:38 <sbp> August 6th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
12:21:38 <sbp> If the goal is “Easy” as you say, just do this:
12:21:38 <sbp> lynx –dump URL_HERE > output.txt
12:21:39 <sbp> —
12:22:01 <Arnia> The key is *useful* text
12:22:21 <Arnia> This method is to distinguish between navigation bars, etc. and the content of the page
12:22:51 <Arnia> There was another one that used the tree depth as part of the heuristic... trying to find it now
12:24:25 <Arnia> Interesting: http://github.com/gfxmonk/unfluff
12:27:03 <sbp> one nice thing did come out of this though
12:27:13 <sbp> I thought of a nice way to parse %HH encoded URIs in bash
12:27:14 <sbp> URI=$(printf $(echo $QUERY_STRING | sed 's/%/\\x/g'))
12:30:03 <sbp> html2txt in asm: http://www.japheth.de/JWasm/html2txt.html
12:47:55 <sbp> fixed!
12:47:59 <sbp> .o web http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Jan/0496.html
12:48:05 <phenny> #help www-style@w3.org archives W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > www-style@w3.org > January 2010Re: [css-style-attr] last call for comments * This message: [ Message body ] [ Respond ] [ More options ] * Related messages: [ Next message ] [ Previous message ] [ In reply to ] From: Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net
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14:17:33 <Arnia> sbp: http://speirs.org/blog/2010/1/29/future-shock.html
14:20:27 <Arnia> "I worked at Aldus around the time of the DTP revolution. I'll never forget the european md being frustrated that incremental releases of PageMaker had more and more menus and palletes. To his mind incremental releases should have had less than the previous versions until eventually you poured in your content and presses a single button that said 'make this look great'"
14:20:44 <Arnia> I'd love to employ that guy...
14:27:57 <archels> But technology for technology's sake is so much fun. :(
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20:40:14 <[bjoern]> omg .web
20:40:14 <phenny> [bjoern]: 18:23Z <sbp> tell [bjoern] is this what human mating looks like? because I like it!
20:40:59 <[bjoern]> Don't ask, don't tell.
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21:06:23 <jessica> ...
21:06:31 <jessica> is this what human mating looks like?
21:11:32 <MaienM> perhaps it is
21:21:17 <jessica> I simply don't mate directly through IRC. I usually have an intermediary, such as an in-person meeting, before mating. I think there are some hardware issues involved.
21:21:54 <[bjoern]> Yeah, you should upgrade to Jabber/XMPP.
21:23:00 <MaienM> the IRC protocol isn't really fit to mate through
21:23:08 <treed> yeah you can send an <iq> node with the MATE protocol
21:23:14 <MaienM> its kinda like mIRC's colors, it works, but its hacky
21:24:05 <[bjoern]> Yes, we were discussing mating.
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