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00:51:35 <[bjoern]> .u infinity
00:51:35 <phenny> U+221E INFINITY (∞)
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05:21:02 <MoiraA> hi [bjoern]
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14:18:58 <[bjoern]> http://www.maxhardcore.com/
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14:22:08 <sbp> UNITED STATES · POSTAL INSPECTION SERVICE
14:22:38 <sbp> inspecting your post for you, so that you don't have to
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14:34:55 <sbp> one third of all present RDF specification errata were filed by me
14:35:46 <sbp> interestingly, the errata document itself has an error
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16:00:17 <jsled> nslater: I just came across http://twitter.com/nslater/statuses/5179422014 again … which they kinda have, though not in search results, exactly.
16:01:50 <nslater> jsled, oh? details?
16:02:21 <jsled> reader will do site subscriptions based on content diffing, not explicit feeds.
16:03:02 <sbp> woah, really? nice
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16:03:23 <jsled> and the feed seems to be separate, eg. http://www.google.com/notificationservice/webchanges/webfeeds/12207266161439852966
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16:04:49 <nslater> cool
16:08:35 <sbp> ooh
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17:25:09 <[bjoern]> .wik .sh
17:25:10 <phenny> ".sh is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Saint Helena." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.sh
17:33:07 <clsn> .wik ʃ
17:33:07 <phenny> "The voiceless palato-alveolar fricative or domed postalveolar fricative (IPA [ʃ]) is a type of consonantal sound, used in some spoken languages." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_postalveolar_fricative
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21:37:18 <BigJibby> did Monty retire?
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22:09:30 <patbam> mlerp
22:12:55 <sbp> yo patmobammos!
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22:13:44 <sbp> how go such as are things?
22:14:29 <sbp> I was showing people FTDB again today
22:14:41 <sbp> best organisation system ever really
22:16:04 <patbam> hey sbp !
22:16:07 <patbam> i was looking for you
22:16:35 <patbam> hah, really?
22:16:41 <patbam> i actually forgot about it :O
22:17:03 <sbp> it is a fine piece of work
22:17:19 <patbam> lol
22:17:20 <patbam> thanks :P
22:17:24 <sbp> I was also reading Loatra kia Malia since I was sorting out some old stuff
22:17:32 <patbam> i think it's the favicon that makes it
22:17:33 <sbp> dunno what the fuck we were on when we did that
22:17:41 <patbam> so funny, i had come here to talk about kalusa
22:17:43 <sbp> oh damn, I haven't even seen the favicon!
22:17:45 <sbp> woah, cool
22:17:49 <sbp> hang on, brb, looking at favicon
22:18:07 <sbp> ...chuckle, yes
22:18:18 <patbam> i was very happy to see that you'd archived the source
22:18:23 <sbp> yeah, heh
22:18:27 <sbp> it's basically disappeared
22:18:29 <patbam> i mean, not that it's fabulous source
22:18:36 <sbp> except for one other dude's site
22:18:40 * sbp rummages
22:18:41 <patbam> just that i wanted to look at the tables & such
22:18:52 <patbam> yeah i was reading that site yesterday
22:18:55 <patbam> the guy with all the languages?
22:18:58 <yano> sbp: quick phenny question, what all types of "events" can you have a function listen for? and what's the format for it? I've tried "message.event = 'JOIN'" and i get a threading error in python.
22:19:00 <patbam> who went to berkeley, right?
22:19:06 <sbp> here: http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/i/jimhenry1973/conlang/kalusa/
22:19:20 <sbp> dunno if it's a Berkeley guy, haven't looked around his site for a while
22:19:28 <patbam> http://dedalvs.com/smileys/2006.html this guy, who has hideous taste in css, is still using kalusa code
22:19:36 <sbp> yano: threading error? JOIN should work I think
22:19:43 <sbp> email me the code?
22:19:45 <sbp> patbam: checking
22:19:53 <sbp> oh, I remember the name from the forum
22:19:54 <sbp> dedalvs
22:20:01 <patbam> oh right, i had forgotten
22:20:20 <patbam> i still think the click-word-to-search interface is a stroke of genius
22:20:20 <yano> well it's only one line: that line i gave you right after your "message" function in the tell module
22:20:35 <sbp> haha: “And if there's any one issue that has more bitterly divided the Kalusa community than any other, it is the issue of how to deal with the direct object of a transitive verb.”
22:20:53 <patbam> yeah, those were fun times.
22:20:54 <sbp> you know what, I could almost swear it was only me on the side of not having it, basically just marking down everything that had it
22:21:14 <patbam> he has some interesting observations in that essay
22:21:25 <sbp> “This bewildered members of the es faction, who countered each ku sentence with a corresponding sentence with es.” — lols
22:21:27 <yano> sbp: http://pastebin.com/f468c546a
22:21:29 <sbp> man, good times, good times
22:21:35 <patbam> i'm afraid i can't remember the dtetails, i'd have to read through stuff to resurrect it
22:21:42 <yano> sbp: line 166
22:21:59 <patbam> (in my memory, i mean)
22:22:08 <sbp> the bit about misanalysis is interesting
22:22:16 <sbp> yeah, I can't remember a lot of details either
22:22:19 <sbp> forgotten a lot of words too
22:22:26 <sbp> still remember things like perei though... :-)
22:22:34 <patbam> my brother and i have been inventing a language :)
22:22:51 <patbam> we were stuck in traffic one day and i said "let's make up a lanugage." and he said, "okay."
22:22:53 <sbp> ahaha, this guy even comments on that: “I know the story of A'Tuin, and have been amused by the antics of perai sam (the heretics!).”
22:22:56 <patbam> and now it's getting out of hand. heh.
22:22:58 <sbp> ooh
22:23:02 <sbp> documented anywhere?
22:23:35 <patbam> well, i've decided to turn it into the testbed for a language description tool
22:23:39 <sbp> yano: can you paste the error please?
22:23:58 <sbp> patbam: I don't see any of the source code on this site... did you say this guy had archived some of it?
22:24:10 <patbam> i have a website for it but... i'm a wee bit embarrassed by its current state ;)
22:24:15 <patbam> no, i meant the source on your site
22:24:18 <yano> sbp: yea
22:24:53 <sbp> ah! yeah, I just recovered everything I could find
22:24:59 <sbp> which sadly wasn't all of it, sigh
22:25:12 <sbp> searched hard drive, web archives, etc.
22:25:17 <patbam> i probably have it on one of innumerable harddrives
22:25:20 <sbp> and this was at a time when the Google cache still had stuff I think
22:25:24 <sbp> ooh, you should check!
22:25:30 <patbam> well, the ones that survived my move
22:25:32 <sbp> it's a crumb of history, man! :-)
22:25:42 <patbam> but they're all on the east coast now, and i'm not
22:25:45 <patbam> indeed it is
22:25:52 <yano> sbp: http://pastebin.com/f60737a4f
22:25:56 <sbp> coast problem... ah
22:25:58 <patbam> i remember talking to gary and trying to convince him he'd come up with something really innovative
22:26:01 <sbp> there's always a coast problem
22:26:04 <patbam> and he didn't really think of it that way
22:26:14 <sbp> did you ever find out why he shut it down?
22:26:20 <sbp> I mean I presume it was all the arguing?
22:26:25 <sbp> but I still don't really get it
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22:27:10 <sbp> yano: eh? that's not a threading error
22:27:17 <sbp> you're trying to use input.sender in the function
22:27:25 <sbp> but a JOIN message doesn't have an input.sender
22:27:27 <sbp> so it's set to None
22:27:35 <sbp> so, don't try to use input.sender... :-)
22:27:46 <yano> sbp: ok thank you for your help :)
22:27:58 <sbp> yano: then what's happening is that it's trying to push an error
22:28:10 <sbp> but it can't push an error to the sender because there is no sender... :-)
22:28:32 <sbp> (I should fix that somehow)
22:29:51 <yano> sbp: hm interesting
22:30:13 <sbp> basically I should just set input.sender to be input.nick
22:30:15 <sbp> or whatever exists
22:30:21 <patbam> hi yano. yano means "head" in the silly language my brother & i have been working on :P
22:30:24 <sbp> I forget the exact semantics of what I wanted to achieve there and blah blah
22:30:37 <yano> patbam: fascinating, lol
22:30:43 <sbp> what a coincidence, in the language that yano is working on patbam means "heretic"
22:31:04 <patbam> guilty as charged
22:31:07 <sbp> hehe
22:32:16 <deltab> "Later... Latin: Compilation of Latin-speaking artists from the Later with Jools Holland archive."
22:32:39 <deltab> somehow I don't think that's accurate
22:33:06 <sbp> scorchio! (from Med. L. "scorchianus", meaning hot as all arse)
22:34:37 <patbam> i really think that web-based language design has a lot more possibilities
22:34:41 <patbam> it's interesting on so many levels
22:34:53 <patbam> i mean, collaborative language design
22:35:11 <sbp> yeah, I was just thinking the same thing
22:35:17 <sbp> actually my thought process was this:
22:35:34 <sbp> * hey, what did patbam actually come in to ask again? did he just want to thank me for bunging kalusa stuff on the web?
22:35:59 <sbp> * I should ask him. no wait, if I'm all "so what did you want?" that might sound like "TELL ME WHAT YOU WANTED THEN FUCK OFF", when basically he's never around and ALWAYS SHOULD BE
22:36:26 <sbp> * also it is funny that he came on and we were both thinking about kalusa. actually that is one of the most influential things I think I've ever been involved with
22:36:46 <sbp> * I guess it's also funny that I still remember so much of it, and it's probably one of the best bits of language learning I've ever done
22:37:25 <sbp> * when you immerse yourself in something like that and CONSTANTLY PRACTICE what you're doing, I guess it's not surprising; and Kalusa provided a really entertaining social and competetive/constructive framework in which to make that happen
22:37:37 <sbp> when what I was acutally typing was:
22:37:41 <sbp> "scorchio!"
22:38:07 <patbam> one thing that i often think about is how "creating" language is also what one must do when one learns a language
22:38:16 <patbam> i mean, aside from inventing words, of course
22:38:34 <sbp> well I guess that's one of the things that really set it apart
22:38:49 <patbam> one of the complaints that the guy in that essay had about running a class on conlanging was that the students didn't memorize his list of 300 words
22:38:56 <patbam> and that struck me as wrongheaded
22:39:00 <sbp> because you could actually contribute back, whereas when you just learn a language you can't do that. you're always learning someone else's shit... it might be really entertaining stuff too, but it's never quite the same
22:39:01 <patbam> for one thing it's too many words
22:39:08 <sbp> memorise his 300 word list... ouch!
22:39:09 <patbam> and for another they were without context
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22:39:42 <sbp> there's a great Welsh site now which does it totally different from all other language learning sites I've seen so far
22:39:55 <patbam> orly? got link?
22:40:10 <sbp> basically the guy uses a really minimal vocabulary and then generates a billion combinations. then he goes over and over things, only very gradually adding in more
22:40:14 <sbp> and it's completely verbal
22:40:16 <sbp> yeah, hang on
22:40:19 <sbp> .g say something in welsh
22:40:20 <phenny> sbp: http://www.saysomethinginwelsh.com/
22:40:29 <sbp> it's amazing. this guy really, really gets language acquisition
22:41:03 <deltab> "I started trying to learn Welsh years ago, and took to it like a duck to nuclear physics."
22:41:04 <sbp> incidentally the text on the website is written a bit weirdly
22:41:13 <sbp> like he sounds just slightly mad
22:41:28 <sbp> but in the audio files he sounds just enthusiastic. I think it comes over a bit wrong in text :-)
22:41:54 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Swhack: Like a Duck to Nuclear Physics"
22:42:22 <patbam> making an account
22:42:39 <sbp> there's a three part essay here:
22:42:39 <sbp> http://www.saysomethinginwelsh.com/home/?page_id=94
22:42:45 <sbp> that's the thing I read first before making an account
22:42:59 <sbp> problems / solutions / techniques (links at bottom)
22:44:26 <patbam> reading...
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22:46:27 <sbp> yo jeffarch
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22:55:46 <MoiraA> sbp
22:55:49 <MoiraA> I need sanity
22:56:00 <MoiraA> I just lost all will to live
22:56:23 <MoiraA> I attract these irc weirdos like some kind of magnet
22:56:42 <sbp> that is because you are in irc weirdo channels
22:56:46 <sbp> except for Swhack of course!
22:56:48 * MoiraA settles down to enjoy some adult conversation
22:56:49 <sbp> we're not weirdos!
22:56:52 <sbp> isn't that right chaps!
22:57:01 <MoiraA> oh boy this is something else this server
22:57:12 <MoiraA> I was fairly sure this particular guy was semi competent
22:57:21 <MoiraA> asked if I would like to oper his server, so I said yers
22:57:23 <MoiraA> *yes
22:57:31 <MoiraA> he is a walking disaster
22:58:26 <MoiraA> every botnet in irc is targetting him because rather than runround protecting channels, he and his other opers request the klined userlist or decide to chghost rather than help fight off 400 clones
22:58:43 <MoiraA> he has not heard of override
22:58:57 <MoiraA> he is quite possibly the most stupid man in the world
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23:16:19 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/8510091.stm
23:16:22 <phenny> sbp: BBC News - Ban on Valentine's Day cards at school
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