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01:58:13 <clsn> .gs in flagrante *
01:58:14 <phenny> in flagrante *: delicto (32), delecto (6), (5), depicto (4), metallo-cyclophane (3)
01:58:20 <[bjoern]> nu
01:58:31 <clsn> Wasn't sure of the spelling.
01:58:49 <[bjoern]> It's not as if I had read what you wrote.
01:59:21 <clsn> It's not like I cared. I was also just talking for the sake of talking.
01:59:30 <[bjoern]> Me too.
01:59:45 <[bjoern]> Which we've accomplished, in a way.
01:59:54 <clsn> potatoes.
02:00:05 <[bjoern]> And a bottle of rum.
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06:04:52 <Moira-phone> Hi
06:05:18 <Moira-phone> Life?
06:06:03 <Moira-phone> [bjoern]: ?
06:06:44 <Moira-phone> phenny: Tell sbp to say languages to me
06:06:56 <Moira-phone> Damn
06:07:33 <Moira-phone> phenny, tell sbp to say languages to me
06:07:33 <phenny> Moira-phone: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
06:10:08 <treed> "say languages"?
06:14:31 <Moira-phone> Interesting discussion re what are most useful languages to learn
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08:31:37 <[bjoern]> bah, humans.
08:33:26 <nogagplz> ._.
08:34:25 <nogagplz> I'm inferior and proud!
08:34:52 <Moira-phone> Hita
08:34:59 <Moira-phone> Hita
08:35:03 <Moira-phone> Drat
08:35:10 <Moira-phone> Hiya
08:35:34 <Moira-phone> Jeez let me grab tea
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08:39:28 <[bjoern]> jeanniecool called and asked me to proclaim "penis".
08:39:44 <[bjoern]> Î will not do it though
08:39:46 <jeanniecool> it's true.
08:40:28 <[bjoern]> Yeah. There is a rule against lying, and I am german.
08:42:03 <[bjoern]> So what's the best fashion to come out of the 40s?
08:43:00 <[bjoern]> I have various ideas for the 50s und 70s, not sure about 60s, and some doubt the 80s have something worth mentioning (rather the opposite).
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08:50:23 <[bjoern]> So I guess this means you are all still traumatized.
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08:54:10 <Moira-phone> You summed it up in one word
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11:36:52 <[bjoern]> "Only one thing worse than dragons: americans."
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11:46:35 <cre8radix> heya
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12:23:33 <sbp> yo
12:23:33 <phenny> sbp: 01:19Z <Morbus> tell sbp you are so, so, so, desperate.
12:23:34 <phenny> sbp: 06:07Z <Moira-phone> tell sbp to say languages to me
12:23:39 <sbp> phenny: tell MoiraA languages
12:23:40 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when MoiraA is around.
12:24:24 * sbp wonders which one that's about
12:27:17 <sbp> —
12:27:18 <sbp> PM denies 'forces of hell' attack
12:27:18 <sbp> Gordon Brown denies ordering the "forces of hell" to be unleashed on Alistair Darling for predicting the
12:27:19 <sbp> —
12:30:06 <archels> A Fish Called Wanda style?
12:31:05 <sbp> the article is actually moderately interesting
12:31:05 <sbp> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8533168.stm
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12:32:29 <sbp> oh man: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/8532317.stm
12:32:47 <sbp> drunk man is berk to a car which happens to be driven by a Chief Constable
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18:26:27 * jeanniecool reminds [bjoern] it's still his turn to say "penis"
18:31:15 <[bjoern]> http://www.fitsnews.com/2010/02/23/take-out-the-dalai-and-the-trash/
18:33:21 * jeanniecool looks but does not find a "penis" anywhere ther
18:33:23 <jeanniecool> *there
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18:34:37 <[bjoern]> $profound_response
18:35:05 <jeanniecool> $belief_mockery
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22:07:50 <[bjoern]> 'u' (universe) is apparently the last word in the klingon dictionary.
22:08:14 <clsn> Yes. The apostrophe is taken alphabetically lastl.
22:10:21 <clsn> I can't think that there COULD be an alphabetically greater word, except for extensions (e.g. "'u'vetlh"/"that universe")
22:10:47 <clsn> The apostrophe is the last letter, and it has to be followed by a vowel. u is the last vowel. And then another apostrophe.
22:11:01 <[bjoern]> How about 'ö' ?
22:11:29 <clsn> Not in Klingon. Bummer.
22:12:52 <Arnia> sounds like someone designed the alphabet and the word so that it would always be the last
22:13:50 <clsn> Nah, doubt it. I don't think that particular joke was in his mind.
22:14:19 <clsn> Though it is possible that it was in his mind when he chose the definition for {'u'}
22:14:43 <Arnia> space, the final frontier...
22:14:53 * Arnia nukes the universe for being last
22:15:01 <clsn> For example, the word for "boot" in Klingon is {DaS}. it even shows up on a page-header in the dictionary: "DaS - boot"
22:15:29 <clsn> Since apparently some of the inspiration for asking him to make up the language in the first place came because the producers/directors/whatever had been watching Das Boot.
22:15:48 <Arnia> that makes sense
22:15:52 <clsn> And they liked the idea of people shouting in un-understood languages in a cramped vessel.
22:15:55 <Arnia> (oddly)
22:15:57 <[bjoern]> It what happens if you watch old german movies.
22:16:15 <clsn> You start making up languages for aliens.
22:16:27 <sbp> okay, time for me to talk a load of shite
22:16:30 <clsn> A nasty side-effect of German cinematography.
22:16:31 <Arnia> or hire a linguist to do it for you
22:16:33 <sbp> give me a shite topic for me to shite talk about
22:16:42 <Arnia> clsn: very good for linguists though
22:16:56 <Arnia> 'What is your profession?'
22:17:00 <Arnia> 'Conlanger'
22:17:05 <clsn> Yes indeed.
22:17:27 <[bjoern]> sbp: Leuchttürme
22:17:35 <clsn> There's now a group which is positioning itself to act as the broker, for places making movies or whatever to find conlangers to invent languages.
22:17:39 <Arnia> I wouldn't mind being paid to make up languages all day
22:17:50 <sbp> Leuchttürme is the process of assimilating frogs for making your greenery even greener
22:17:53 <Arnia> although they'd be really warped languages
22:18:02 <Arnia> (you know what I'm like with tenses)
22:18:05 <clsn> I signed up for their first project and then realized that the other people in it had put WAY more thought into their attempts than I ever would.
22:18:18 <clsn> (and this despite being involved in conlangs since forever).
22:18:42 <Arnia> sbp: Pelican pancreatitis
22:18:54 <clsn> I could easily invent a language more interesting than Klingon... But these guys had these HUGE complicated clever languages...
22:19:03 <clsn> I withdrew before the first cut.
22:19:05 <[bjoern]> So you are saying klingon is a warped language.
22:19:09 <clsn> Still on their mailing list though.
22:19:22 <clsn> [bjoern]: Reasonably. I suppose it could be more warped though.
22:19:59 <[bjoern]> Early Star Trek episodes and maybe the first movie I am not sure called warp speed "sol"-speed (the german originals that is)
22:20:34 <sbp> see how long it took me to load it even this time?
22:20:51 <[bjoern]> I don't see.
22:21:02 <sbp> two minutes!
22:21:07 <Arnia> I don't see anything except stars
22:21:22 <[bjoern]> I don't even now what you are slowloading!
22:21:37 <sbp> I like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Travemuende-Leuchtturm.jpg
22:22:02 * Arnia thinks the RapLeaf logo reminds him of a clove of garlic
22:22:14 <sbp> .img RapLeaf logo
22:22:15 <phenny> sbp: http://laboratorium.net/images/rapleaf-logo.png
22:22:16 <phenny> More here: http://images.google.com/images?q=RapLeaf%20logo
22:22:25 <sbp> mmm... garlic
22:22:54 <jeanniecool> Did you say "penis"?
22:23:13 <sbp> I believe I am yet to say (but here it comes) penis, today
22:23:25 <jeanniecool> phew!
22:23:30 <sbp> if that counted, since it was mention rather than use
22:23:30 <jeanniecool> You were running out of time!
22:23:37 <sbp> eh, I've got a while
22:23:39 <sbp> .t sbp
22:23:39 <phenny> Wed Feb 24 22:23:39 GMT 2010
22:24:16 <sbp> so I was trying to think of data languages the other day
22:24:30 <sbp> would you like to see my list? I'm sure you would
22:24:34 <sbp> let me slowload it for you
22:25:30 <sbp> —
22:25:31 <sbp> * BSON - http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/BSON
22:25:31 <sbp> * CSV
22:25:31 <sbp> * JSON
22:25:31 <sbp> * KIF
22:25:31 <sbp> * Protocol Buffers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_Buffers
22:25:33 <sbp> - http://code.google.com/apis/protocolbuffers/
22:25:35 <sbp> * RDF
22:25:37 <sbp> * SEXP - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_S-expressions
22:25:39 <sbp> - http://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/sexp.html
22:25:41 <sbp> * SGML
22:25:43 <sbp> * SOIF - http://www.c3.hu/docs/harvest/node151.html
22:25:47 <sbp> * SQL
22:25:49 <sbp> * XML
22:25:51 <sbp> * YAML
22:25:53 <sbp> —
22:25:55 <sbp> can anybody think of any more?
22:25:57 <sbp> I keep thinking I must have missed an obvious one
22:25:59 <sbp> beacuse that's so few
22:26:54 <[bjoern]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WDDX
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22:27:49 <Arnia> .wik HAML
22:27:50 <phenny> "Haml (HTML Abstraction Markup Language) is a markup language that is used to cleanly and simply describe the XHTML of any web document without the use of traditional inline coding." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAML
22:27:57 <sbp> think I might have seen that one, but, well, I wasn't sure whether to include actual XML applications since I already including generic XML
22:28:08 <[bjoern]> the ASN.1 formats per ber xer der etc perhaps too
22:28:24 <[bjoern]> Not that bad a point
22:28:28 <Arnia> CSV should probably be (C|T)SV
22:28:50 <[bjoern]> .oO{ Excel files }
22:29:02 <sbp> TSV: aye, will add that
22:29:10 <Arnia> and HAML
22:29:22 <Arnia> .wik Avro
22:29:22 <phenny> "Avro was a British aircraft manufacturer, with numerous landmark designs such as the Avro 504 trainer in the First World War, the Avro Lancaster, one of the pre-eminent bombers of the Second World War, and the delta wing Avro Vulcan, a stalwart of the Cold War." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro
22:29:23 <sbp> can HAML be used for non-HTML markupping? markingup?
22:29:37 <Arnia> sbp: yes, it is used as part of SASS for example
22:29:45 <Arnia> .wik Avro Hadoop
22:29:46 <phenny> "Start the Avro Hadoop article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Hadoop
22:29:47 <[bjoern]> "This is a simple preview example and may not reflect the current version of the language"
22:29:54 <sbp> k, added HAML
22:29:58 <Arnia> .g Avro Hadoop
22:29:59 <phenny> Arnia: http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/Avro
22:30:16 <sbp> there was some old C++ struct nonsense that I didn't bother adding
22:30:19 <sbp> and a few others
22:30:30 <sbp> SEXP was a bit of a confusing one
22:30:30 <Arnia> Thrift?
22:30:53 <sbp> Thrift was one I think I saw. isn't it like Protocol Buffers?
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22:31:09 <Arnia> Yes, Thrift, Avro and ProtocolBuffers all do similar jobs
22:31:25 <Arnia> (the first is from Facebook, the second from Yahoo and the third from Google)
22:31:33 <sbp> SEXP was confusing because it's not a proper subset of common lisp (why ever not?) and is undermaintained and under used. yet it seemed like such a good idea
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22:31:47 <Arnia> oddly, the three big MapReduce developers
22:31:48 <sbp> ah, interesting. I'd better add the other two then
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22:33:11 <sbp> I'm sorta coming round to XML a little
22:33:57 <Arnia> oh, EDI
22:33:59 <Arnia> .wik EDI
22:33:59 <phenny> "Efficient Drivetrains Inc." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDI
22:34:01 <sbp> I realised that XML and JSON were the two most prominent on the list for most general tasks that I had in mind. of course things like SQL are much much better in some specific domains, and CSV in others... so basically I'm thinking about the tasks which are gathered around what XML and JSON were designed for anyway, so not surprising they're a good fit
22:34:05 <Arnia> .wik EDI data language
22:34:06 <phenny> "Start the EDI data language article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDI_data_language
22:34:11 <sbp> hehe
22:34:20 <sbp> need to fix that
22:34:21 <Arnia> .wik Electronic Data Interchange format
22:34:22 <phenny> "Start the Electronic Data Interchange format article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Data_Interchange_format
22:34:27 <Arnia> ...
22:34:29 * Arnia gives up
22:34:35 <sbp> .wik EDI (format)
22:34:36 <phenny> "Start the EDI (format) article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDI_(format)
22:34:42 <sbp> sheesh. definitely need to fix that
22:34:52 <Arnia> .g Electronic Data Interchange
22:34:53 <phenny> Arnia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Data_Interchange
22:34:54 <sbp> I think they've changed their not found boilerplate
22:35:00 <Arnia> ...
22:35:18 <sbp> they don't give 404s
22:35:26 <sbp> so you have to sniff the boilerplate
22:35:33 <Arnia> BAD MEDIAWIKI
22:35:41 <sbp> what phenny does is to check to see if an article name exists verbatim
22:35:45 <sbp> and then searches if it's not found
22:35:54 <sbp> so I gotta update that first part of the process
22:35:57 <Arnia> Oddly, XML makes sense once you have to do lots of extraction and verification of documents
22:36:11 <sbp> well, here's the points that I jotted:
22:36:18 <sbp> * XML is easier to read
22:36:18 <sbp> * XML is easier to edit by hand
22:36:18 <sbp> * XML has more widespread C libraries
22:36:18 <sbp> * XML has better data integrity checking facilities
22:36:18 <sbp> * XML can be streamed
22:36:19 <sbp> * JSON requires less lines of code to parse
22:36:21 <sbp> * JSON is less redundant and results in smaller files
22:36:23 <sbp> * JSON is cruft free
22:36:25 <sbp> * JSON has more built in datatypes
22:37:04 <Arnia> The 'can be streamed' one is important
22:37:06 <sbp> by cruft free I mean PIs and such
22:37:14 <sbp> yeah. though!
22:37:16 <Arnia> given that lots of interesting data is huge
22:37:33 <sbp> note that when I wrote the Trio RDF/XML parser, I wanted to make the most use of streaming that I could
22:37:46 <sbp> so I decided to use a pulldom, because the spec is specified in terms of dom events basically
22:37:48 <Arnia> Look at XMPP for a good use of streaming
22:37:52 <sbp> but there was no pulldom that worked
22:37:57 <sbp> so I had to write my own from scratch!
22:38:02 <Arnia> fun...
22:38:15 <sbp> couldn't believe there was no existing pulldom that worked
22:38:34 <sbp> but yeah, very important in certain cases I see what you mean
22:38:40 <Arnia> Facebook has an insane amount of processing power... "A 1100-machine [Hadoop] cluster with 8800 cores and about 12 PB raw storage."
22:38:44 <Arnia> That's just one of their clusters
22:38:54 <sbp> 12 PB: nice
22:38:57 <[bjoern]> YAML supports concat which is important for log files and such.
22:39:03 <sbp> how much data are they storing overall?
22:39:05 <sbp> concat?
22:39:18 <sbp> oh right, can't concat JSON and XML files
22:39:24 <sbp> without parsing
22:39:28 <Arnia> sbp: they generate terrabytes every day
22:39:55 <Arnia> so I imagine a fair whack of space
22:40:03 <[bjoern]> (external parsed entities would do for xml but that's poorly supported usually, unless you &entize; them)
22:40:14 <sbp> hmm, I want a fair whack sized hard drive
22:41:04 * Arnia whacks sbp
22:41:07 <Arnia> (but fairly)
22:41:14 <sbp> ouch, but fair enough
22:41:38 * [bjoern] thinks there is an "a" missing in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_Forum_License "Since this is published licence"
22:41:46 <[bjoern]> fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it !!!
22:42:00 <Arnia> this is published licence mmkay
22:42:12 <[bjoern]> ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eiffel_Forum_License&diff=182723285&oldid=181374246
22:42:34 <sbp> fixed
22:43:13 <sbp> stupid people, breaking my grammar
22:43:13 <[bjoern]> you fixed it fixed it fixed it fixed it fixed it fixed it !!!
22:43:24 <sbp> though I approve of the OSI elision
22:43:42 * Arnia nukes [bjoern]
22:43:50 <[bjoern]> unpossible.
22:43:58 <sbp> antinukepants?
22:44:10 <sbp> "Y-fronts prevent fallout"
22:44:15 <[bjoern]> The manual commands not to tell.
22:44:16 * Arnia depants [bjoern] then nukes him
22:44:32 <[bjoern]> Look, so far we aren't even sure about the pants thing.
22:44:45 <sbp> can't be anything else
22:44:53 <sbp> graffiti is always right
22:44:56 <sbp> usually
22:45:33 <Arnia> Unless it is from Palm
22:45:43 <sbp> or about Eric Clapton
22:46:07 <Arnia> Or Bob Dylan
22:46:16 <sbp> they have graffiti about Bob Dylan now?
22:46:17 <Arnia> .g omnigraffle ipad template
22:46:18 <phenny> Arnia: http://informationarchitects.jp/ipad-stencil-for-omnigraffle/
22:46:29 <sbp> did you hear anything more about possible Kindle for iPad?
22:46:34 <Arnia> sbp: only on thursdays
22:46:34 <sbp> I know it was Morbus who told me
22:46:37 <Arnia> no?
22:46:42 <Arnia> .g kindle for ipad
22:46:42 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/27/ipad-vs-kindle-will-apple_n_437632.html
22:46:44 <sbp> ah. well Morbus rumed it
22:47:10 <[bjoern]> Thinking about re-learning Mooring
22:47:36 <[bjoern]> Wonder if I can make ° a dead key to go all å and Å on you.
22:48:59 <Arnia> Flash! ååååååååååååh!
22:49:05 <Arnia> Saviour of the universe!
22:49:11 <Arnia> sorry... the 'u'
22:51:05 <sbp> Mooring?
22:51:15 <sbp> programming language for boaties?
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22:51:49 <[bjoern]> Look you ask this every time I mention it
22:51:53 <[bjoern]> .wik Bökingharde Frisian
22:51:53 <phenny> "Mooring or Bökingharde Frisian (Böökinghiirder frasch) is a dialect of the North Frisian language spoken in Niebüll and the amt of Bökingharde in the German region of North Frisia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bökingharde_Frisian
22:52:04 <sbp> you should learn that!
22:52:17 <sbp> then you can impress your friends with being able to speak a language that they can't
22:52:36 <sbp> unless you have Frisian friends, because they can probably speak Deutschenormal
22:52:48 <sbp> and English since English is basically the same as Frisian
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22:53:26 <[bjoern]> Well I already learned it once...
22:53:35 <sbp> but you forgotted the words?
22:53:51 <[bjoern]> pretty much everything
22:54:00 <sbp> on purpose/
22:54:03 <Arnia> well, Anglish is probably closer
22:54:05 <sbp> s!/!?!
22:54:12 <sbp> I'd moot so
22:54:14 <[bjoern]> I would not say so
22:54:57 <Arnia> It is a wonderful way to show to people the weird nature of English's two parallel vocabularies
22:55:22 <sbp> German + Italian = English!
22:55:38 <Arnia> There was someone who said, basically, English = French + German
22:55:46 <Arnia> Worryingly they were a modern languages student
22:55:51 <sbp> hehe
22:56:06 <sbp> Norman French was so peculiarly non-French
22:56:15 <[bjoern]> I actually wonder how that googletranslates.
22:56:22 <[bjoern]> ("babelfishes"?)
22:57:01 <Arnia> .wik Norman French
22:57:02 <phenny> "Norman (Normandy: normaund, Guernésiais: normand, Jèrriais: Nouormand) is a Romance language and one of the Oïl languages." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_French
22:57:18 <[bjoern]> says my whois yeah
22:57:19 <clsn> German with a lot of French thrown in isn't a bad way to think of English's origins.
22:57:28 <Arnia> always knew they were a bit greasy
22:57:57 <Arnia> clsn: she claimed that ALL English was was French and German ground together
22:58:03 <sbp> greasy and dotty
22:58:17 <sbp> she forgot Tamil!
22:58:19 <sbp> shampoo!
22:58:23 <sbp> and... something else!
22:58:25 <sbp> pyjamas?
22:58:28 <clsn> Oh. Well, that's plainly an oversimplification.
22:58:32 <[bjoern]> The translation is quite awful btw!
22:58:50 <sbp> is it any better in de -> ja?
22:59:17 <[bjoern]> Might have smilier characters.
22:59:24 <sbp> all ja translations are probably brilliant because they don't care how surreal they are
22:59:50 <Arnia> clsn: she was a bit mad
23:00:15 <[bjoern]> That's why we need google support for egyptian
23:00:28 <sbp> you know, I actually didn't know until today that Norman French didn't die out
23:01:37 <sbp> it doesn't say how many speakers there are
23:01:52 <sbp> wonder if there are more speakers of the channel island languages or of Normand
23:01:57 <[bjoern]> hmm http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/
23:02:02 <[bjoern]> .title
23:02:05 <phenny> [bjoern]: No title found
23:02:12 <[bjoern]> bugz
23:02:18 <[bjoern]> (utf-16)
23:02:26 <[bjoern]> ("Unicode Fonts for Ancient Scripts")
23:02:37 <sbp> all but two start with an a
23:02:41 <Arnia> clsn: what is the typical American perception of Welsh? Do you know?
23:03:13 <sbp> what did Bush say about it, again? his famous line?
23:03:52 <clsn> Arnia: I don't know. Keep in mind that most Americans don't think about Welsh *at all*.
23:04:01 <sbp> hmm. I thought he asked whether Wales was in England
23:04:06 <sbp> but I can't find confirmation of this
23:04:08 <clsn> And the ones that do likely as not think it's a dialect of English or something.
23:04:09 <[bjoern]> Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists?
23:04:10 <sbp> perhaps I dreamed it
23:04:13 <Arnia> sbp: surprisingly probing question
23:04:44 <Arnia> (given the complexity surrounding Welsh nationality and legal identity and its relationship with the same for England)
23:04:55 <sbp> oh, no, it was better
23:04:57 <sbp> .title http://popdirt.com/bush-asks-charlotte-church-which-state-is-wales-in/39526/
23:04:58 <phenny> sbp: Bush Asks Charlotte Church: ‘Which State Is Wales In?’ | popdirt.com
23:05:04 <Arnia> ...
23:05:06 <Arnia> oh dear
23:05:07 <sbp> which state is Wales in. I love that
23:05:33 <Arnia> clsn: hm... shame. Welsh is a great language.
23:06:01 <clsn> Arnia: I know, I speak it some.
23:06:03 <sbp> if I were her it would have been so hard to resist the temptation to say "um, Connecticut?"
23:06:37 <Arnia> sbp: I once spent several hours trying to explain how the United Kingdom and the British Isles worked geopolitically to a group of confused Americans.
23:06:57 <clsn> Yeah, but that would confuse anyone.
23:07:09 <sbp> did you show them the Venn diagram on Wikipedia?
23:07:19 <[bjoern]> "New Texas" would also have been up for consideration
23:07:23 <sbp> haha
23:07:23 <jeanniecool> Penis?
23:07:29 <sbp> Penis!
23:07:33 <Arnia> clsn: what made it worse was this was the time that the Government were pushing for devolution of the regions
23:08:01 <clsn> Oh, so it was even MORE complicated.
23:08:10 <Arnia> which is what motivated the discussion... I was trying to explain to them exactly what this meant
23:08:27 <Arnia> which required me to explain the relationship between the home nations
23:09:00 <Arnia> (and how getting it wrong in lots of places in the UK is a good way to get beaten up)
23:09:08 <Arnia> hell, a lot of places in the British Isles
23:09:45 <sbp> why doesn't Cornwall have its own legislature yet?
23:09:52 <Arnia> I seem to remember the big sticking point was actually the idea that London had its own government.
23:09:58 <Arnia> sbp: they didn't see the funny side of Cornwall
23:10:42 <sbp> Cornwall is just as Celtic as all the places that are as Celtic as it!
23:10:43 * Arnia didn't try and explain the oddness of the City of London above and beyond the oddness of Greater London
23:10:53 <Arnia> sbp: lovely tautology
23:11:09 <sbp> an especially taut one
23:11:43 <[bjoern]> hü is mooring for how (de:"wie"), I learn. I wonder if it'd be better to use a en-frr dictionary... hmm what's the subcode for mooring
23:12:05 <sbp> hope it's moo
23:12:15 <Arnia> sbp: cow
23:12:16 <[bjoern]> I fear it's got none
23:12:29 <Arnia> .g subcode for geordie
23:12:30 <phenny> Arnia: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel4/6143/16427/00759066.pdf?arnumber=759066
23:12:33 <sbp> hehe
23:12:52 <Arnia> a geordie to mooring dictionary would be fun
23:13:01 <[bjoern]> Mr Visor?
23:13:24 <Arnia> Dialect of English spoken in Newcastle-upon-Tyne
23:13:36 <Arnia> Sounds like drunk swedish
23:13:39 <sbp> looks like it's just classed as a dialect of frr, Boekingsprech
23:14:40 <[bjoern]> first hit for moo yields "Type: language / Subtag: gwg / Description: Moo / Added: 2009-07-29"
23:14:49 <sbp> GWG
23:14:58 <sbp> (pronounced goooog in Welsh)
23:15:30 <[bjoern]> Is this what crazy moon language is written in? Type: script / Subtag: Moon / Description: Moon / Description: Moon code / Description: Moon script / Description: Moon type / Added: 2007-01-26
23:15:36 <Arnia> Someone should mix Mooring, Geordie and Welsh
23:15:47 <Arnia> clsn, your mission if you choose to accept it...
23:15:54 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Description: Moon"
23:16:16 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Description: Moon type"
23:16:29 <sbp> damn, I can't decide which of those is funniest
23:16:35 *** Arnia changed the topic to: "Description: Moon type / Subtag: Moon"
23:16:37 <sbp> it's like choosing from a clutch of puppies
23:17:24 <sbp> hmm, shame fudge doesn't grow on trees
23:17:32 <sbp> and you could harvest it in the autumn
23:17:38 <sbp> damn that would be great
23:17:40 <Arnia> Depends what sort of fudge
23:17:44 <sbp> fudgeberry-bushes
23:17:50 <Arnia> mm... fudgeberries
23:17:59 <sbp> .gc +fudgeberries
23:18:00 <phenny> +fudgeberries: 21
23:18:15 <[bjoern]> They could have made BCP 47 shorter
23:18:29 <sbp> yeah, should have left out the line breaks
23:18:30 <[bjoern]> .g "Quick guide to getting your language subtag registered"
23:18:30 <phenny> [bjoern]: No results found for '"Quick guide to getting your language subtag registered"'.
23:18:36 <sbp> hehe
23:19:01 <sbp> as if you need a quick guide
23:19:16 <sbp> even when you sneeze it comes out as a well formed Internet Draft
23:19:28 <Arnia> He'll wreak AWEZOME CARNAGE
23:19:36 <sbp> again
23:19:36 <[bjoern]> Or Perl code. Ideally both.
23:19:40 <sbp> hehe
23:20:01 <Arnia> Have you ever written an Internet Draft that is also a useful Perl program?
23:20:05 <clsn> I thought there was a form to fill out. I remember I got tlh for Klingon...
23:20:13 <sbp> there are useful perl programs?
23:20:18 <sbp> actually, exiftool does come to mind
23:20:25 <Arnia> sbp: bioinformatics people seem to love it
23:20:37 <sbp> yeah but they're mad of madness and talcum
23:20:40 <sbp> *made
23:20:48 <sbp> MAD OF MADENESS
23:21:06 <Arnia> Mad of Madness sounds like a bad Merlin character
23:21:39 <sbp> Mister Mad Pants Madness of Madness, the Mad Madman from the Town of Mad People Beyond the Sea of Mad
23:21:50 <Arnia> (the English Channel)
23:21:55 <[bjoern]> So I take it I can't register a region subtag, so it'd be a variant
23:22:18 <sbp> or as the French call it, La Manche du Lunatiques
23:22:37 <sbp> why can't you register a region subtag?
23:23:34 <[bjoern]> Explaining things is too oldskool in spec writing these days, just says "Only subtags of type 'language' and 'variant' will be considered for independent registration of new subtags."
23:23:34 <Arnia> The image on http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase/index.html confuses me
23:23:46 <[bjoern]> yes
23:24:22 <sbp> I think it is intended to metaphorically depict ARCHITECTURAL RAGE
23:25:02 * Arnia nukes sbp
23:25:23 <sbp> [bjoern], i need your pants
23:25:30 <[bjoern]> lots of traffic on the ietf languages list
23:25:34 * Arnia mentally tries to block out HTML5 madness
23:25:54 <Arnia> I may have to resort to physically blocking it with large amounts of lead
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23:26:07 <sbp> HTML5 has gone gamma-critical?
23:26:19 <[bjoern]> sbp, I believe the line should be, I need your clothes, boots and your motorcycle
23:26:22 <sbp> at least gamma is the least ionising
23:26:30 <sbp> I think it's more like an alpha/gamma hybrid
23:26:38 <sbp> I don't want your boots
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23:27:02 <sbp> wouldn't want you to starve
23:27:10 <sbp> any more than usual, I mean
23:27:37 <Arnia> The whole 'is it blocked, isn't it blocked' thing
23:27:46 <Arnia> it is surreal
23:28:11 <[bjoern]> German Democratic Republic has region subtag DD
23:28:20 <[bjoern]> (Dunkeldeutschland)
23:28:29 <sbp> .leo dunkel
23:28:31 <phenny> dunkel = abstruse a., acroamatic a. rare, apocalyptical a., caliginous a. (obs.), dark a.
23:28:32 <phenny> dunkel - Lichtschranke = blocked a.
23:28:33 <phenny> dark = das Dunkel
23:28:33 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=dunkel
23:28:42 <sbp> Caliginous Germany. lols
23:30:09 <Arnia> .leo tard
23:30:11 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=tard
23:30:23 <sbp> .leo tardis
23:30:24 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=tardis
23:30:34 <Arnia> Bigger on the inside?
23:30:40 <sbp> how do they dub Doctor Who in de?
23:30:41 <Arnia> could be useful...
23:30:56 <[bjoern]> do they dub Doctor Who in de?
23:31:24 <sbp> you are marginally better placed to answer that question than the people of whom you are currently enquiring it
23:31:26 <Arnia> dubstep Doctor Who
23:31:41 <[bjoern]> 22. November 1989 with the 7th
23:31:47 <sbp> would be even better if you had a telly
23:31:53 <[bjoern]> not seen it as far as i know
23:32:12 <[bjoern]> not seen the english dubbing either
23:32:17 * Arnia nukes [bjoern]
23:32:41 * sbp lends [bjoern] his motorcycle back
23:33:17 <sbp> listen
23:33:20 <sbp> do you want to know a secret?
23:33:24 <sbp> do you promise not to tell?
23:33:28 <sbp> whoooOooaaaahhaAAaaah
23:33:29 <sbp> closer!
23:33:42 <sbp> (doo dah doo)
23:34:06 * Arnia retreats slowly and cautiously
23:34:10 <sbp> the Beatles remasters are so good
23:34:24 <sbp> (doo dah doo)
23:35:29 <sbp> Approaching Storm by Constant Troyon, 1849
23:35:44 <sbp> .wik Constant Troyon
23:35:45 <phenny> "Constant Troyon (August 28, 1810 - February 21, 1865), French painter, was born in Sèvres, near Paris, where his father was connected with the famous manufactory of porcelain." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_Troyon
23:35:51 <sbp> (painting on the Hadoop page)
23:36:20 <Arnia> The Oncoming Storm?
23:36:26 <Arnia> Where have I heard that before?
23:36:27 <sbp> the style of writing on this article is funny
23:36:35 <sbp> “Troyon was an animal painter of the first rank”
23:36:45 <sbp> “The technical qualities of his methods of painting are most masterly”
23:37:38 <Arnia> ...
23:37:46 <Arnia> we rank animal painters now?
23:37:50 <sbp> ‘His "Valle de la Toucque, Normandy", is one of his greatest pictures; and at Christies sale-room in 1902 the single figure of a cow in a landscape of but moderate quality fetched £7350.’
23:38:03 <Arnia> "Yes, I am a major general of animal painting"
23:38:12 <sbp> the single figure of a cow in a landscape of but moderate quality
23:38:18 <sbp> that's just super
23:38:23 <sbp> the single figure of a cow in a landscape of but moderate quality
23:38:26 <sbp> what a phrase
23:39:05 <Arnia> Who is the official quality assessor for landscapes?
23:39:19 <[bjoern]> ah excellent, there is an out of copyright Mooring book from 1870
23:39:31 <[bjoern]> 1860 even
23:39:37 <sbp> The Academie Landscapaise?
23:39:38 <phenny> sbp: 23:39Z <Morbus> tell sbp http://www.wowhead.com/?blog=146218
23:39:42 <[bjoern]> http://books.google.com/books?id=W3oNAAAAQAAJ
23:40:05 <[bjoern]> Now trouble is mooring vs moring
