00:04:21 <sbp> any bau too? bau wau?
00:04:31 <[bjoern]> .leo Bau
00:04:32 <phenny> Bau... = building, construction ..., edificial a., structural a.
00:04:33 <phenny> der Bau kein Plural - das Bauen = building
00:04:34 <phenny> der Bau = conformation, constitution, earth, fabric, lair
00:04:34 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Bau
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00:08:57 <sbp> aha, now I understand the Bauhaus
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01:28:11 <BigJibby> Monty, heya
01:28:12 <Monty> / \ ~---" / Y .-"( .
01:28:28 <BigJibby> Monty, are trying to summon the t-rex?
01:28:33 <Monty> comical humiliated tits sells unmetered camera and jackhammering Zelenka's expertise!!!
01:29:23 <BigJibby> ,alice Monty
01:29:25 <StoopidJibby> Montyfabsh: You said it was? I wonder if it's some more botsa popey You're dedication Heading to help botEvan: Left a core but i would be extendees and fabs head :D cya RealDan: meh Wtf, G1 has newer music *press.
01:29:26 <Monty> VNC Richard Stallman castrates confident rations :P
01:29:35 <Monty> Bah, I'm not enough yes, when they moderate comments, either way, that my head and trusted marketing (which most of several plausible engineering resources at a blog, or ipod has the condition of things..
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01:33:54 <BigJibby> ,alice Monty
01:33:57 <StoopidJibby> Monty, are celebritish behaved dream of sheep up north the return and sleepynate: i do some done before ,dent computer space is served through the hypervisor blocks?
01:33:57 <Monty> what are nifty things apple is messed up?
01:33:58 <Monty> What does that dream suggest to you ?
01:34:52 <StoopidJibby> Monty, I are dream.
01:34:56 <Monty> that'll really isn't the most of a hard thing and to encapsulate 'em in
01:42:51 <BigJibby> ,alice celebritish
01:42:52 <StoopidJibby> celebritishis all wonky I'll try sqlite-- /s/slackware/pain/g Will try to get there if I can, but can't make any guarantees.
01:43:28 <BigJibby> ,alice couchdb
01:43:30 <StoopidJibby> couchdb" and "esters" and other countries in the passed, but I believe him, it seems to match it's parents dont turn the net off :P Isn't it almost a year.
01:46:20 <BigJibby> ,alice richard stallman
01:46:22 <StoopidJibby> richard stallmanplan on testing it. being regex illiterate, i'm afraid to commit it. :) ,g debian-live-504-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso *goes off to look harder* Oh, good point, arf. #1199 I thought you knew. why don't you just use that? :P there's a live CD i'm a pirate?
01:46:56 <BigJibby> that's dumb StoopidJibby. Monty is better
01:46:58 <Monty> decapitates Job Center :(
01:47:29 <BigJibby> ,alice swhack
01:47:53 <BigJibby> Monty, swhack broke it
01:47:55 <Monty> Depends where everyone can either
01:48:07 <BigJibby> Monty, swhack broke it
01:48:09 <BigJibby> ,alice swhack
01:48:10 <Monty> bicycle's Ian Hislop installs abhorrent fireman, apparently.
01:48:53 <BigJibby> ,alice bicycle
01:49:03 <BigJibby> ,quit
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01:49:31 <BigJibby> ,alice swhack
01:49:44 <BigJibby> ,quit
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04:51:34 <[bjoern]> .wik Spoony bard
04:51:35 <phenny> "Start the Spoony bard article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoony_bard
04:51:57 <[bjoern]> Easier said than done
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04:56:26 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell jeanniecool Phallus.
04:56:26 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when jeanniecool is around.
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09:01:22 <Arnia> phenny, tell sbp about http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/01/the-joojoo-is-here-seriously/
09:01:22 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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09:25:35 <sbp> http://lumberjaph.net/blog/index.php/2010/03/25/github-explorer/
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09:26:21 <Monty> welcome, jetx
09:26:22 <sbp> http://www.flickr.com/photos/franck_/4456118597/sizes/o/in/set-72157623447857405/
09:27:16 <sbp> heh, I see aaronsw on there
09:27:21 <sbp> and tommorris
09:27:54 <sbp> and kragen(sitaker)
09:28:43 <sbp> and couchapp
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09:29:16 <sbp> and edsu
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10:04:19 <sbp> .title http://gizmodo.com/5507569/gizmodos-essential-ipad-apps
10:04:20 <phenny> sbp: Gizmodo's Essential iPad Apps - Best ipad apps - Gizmodo
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10:13:45 <Monty> But what does nogagplz have to do with the price of fish?
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11:22:44 <[bjoern]> yip yip
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12:29:01 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/8600616.stm
12:29:03 <phenny> sbp: BBC News - Geordie claims record for wearing most underpants
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13:07:39 <Monty> yo MacTed!
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13:25:59 <Arnia> I'm amused by the massive price drop on WA
13:40:02 <sbp> Washington State is going cheap?
13:42:37 <[bjoern]> is going?
13:44:01 <[bjoern]> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8600241.stm
13:44:02 <phenny> [bjoern]: BBC News - Daimler agrees to pay $185m after admitting bribery
13:44:32 <[bjoern]> "we will continue to do everything we can to maintain the highest compliance standards"
13:47:18 <sbp> is going cheap, is being sold cheap
13:47:24 <sbp> going, going, gone
13:47:37 <sbp> GOING TO THE LADY IN THE BACK, GOING ONCE
13:47:48 <sbp> GOING TWICE, THE LADY IN THE BACK WITH THE UGLY NOSE
13:48:05 <[bjoern]> From what I know it had already been cheap.
13:48:08 <sbp> GOING THRICE. STILL WITH THE LADY IN THE BACK WITH THE UGLY NOSE AND THE REALLY TACKY NECKLACE
13:48:31 <sbp> SOLD! TO THE LADY WHO JUST THREW HER WATER OVER ME
13:48:56 <sbp> my joke started before your joke started
13:49:01 <sbp> but your joke also ended before mine ended
13:49:16 <[bjoern]> I metadisagree.
13:49:45 <[bjoern]> (that always works)
13:52:31 <[bjoern]> "The health care reform legislation that President Obama signed recently isn't only about insurance coverage -- there's also a renewal of $50 million per year for five years for abstinence-focused education."
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13:53:08 <[bjoern]> I should teach abstinence. It's a very complex that you can say many many things about.
13:53:50 <[bjoern]> 'Programs that receive this funding must "teach that abstinence from sexual activity is the only certain way to avoid out-of-wedlock pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and other associated health problems"'
13:54:14 <[bjoern]> 'To qualify, they must also teach that sex before marriage is "likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects." '
13:54:35 <[bjoern]> So does not having it, no?
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13:55:45 <Arnia> Well, the first part is true
13:57:04 <[bjoern]> I would volunteer to participate in a test series to confirm or deny the hypothesis.
13:57:13 <Arnia> Been a while?
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13:57:49 <[bjoern]> I could wear my "I did it for science!" shirt.
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13:59:11 <Monty> bah, it's sivy again
14:01:24 <Arnia> .o wa the average price of molybdenum in 2006
14:01:29 <phenny> molybdenum->price->2006;(data not available) (2006)
14:01:36 <Arnia> .o wa the average price of molybdenum in 2008
14:01:39 <phenny> molybdenum->price->2008;(data not available) (2008)
14:01:43 <Arnia> .o wa the average price of molybdenum in 2009
14:01:46 <phenny> molybdenum->price->2009;(data not available) (2009)
14:01:49 <Arnia> .o wa the average price of molybdenum
14:01:54 <phenny> molybdenum->price;$ 0.18 per oz t (US dollars per troy ounce) (July 1998);$ 0.01 per dwt (US dollars per pennyweight);$ 2.16 per lb t (US dollars per troy pound);$ 0.16 per oz (US dollars per ounce);$ 2.63 per lb (US dollars per pound);JPY->yen 17 per oz t (Japanese yen per troy ounce), EUR->13.37cper oz t (euro cents per troy ounce), GBP->
14:02:07 <Arnia> .o wa the average price of molybdenum in GBP
14:02:08 <[bjoern]> .o wa the average price of MSFT shares in 2009
14:02:12 <phenny> convert molybdenum->price to British pounds;sterling 0.12 per oz t (British pounds per troy ounce) (July 1998);sterling 0.01 per dwt (British pounds per pennyweight);sterling 1.42 per lb t (British pounds per troy pound);sterling 0.11 per oz (British pounds per ounce);sterling 1.73 per lb (British pounds per pound);USD->18.04centper oz t (US
14:02:16 <phenny> Microsoft->price -> Microsoft->price->2009;price->$ 29.14 (MSFT->NASDAQ->7:02:15 pm PDT->18 hrs ago)-> , price, 2009->mean->$ 22.91 (US dollars), ->highest->$ 31.39 (US dollars) (Tuesday, December 29, 2009), ->lowest->$ 15.15 (US dollars) (Monday, March 9, 2009), ->volatility->37%
14:02:42 <[bjoern]> .o wa the average price of GOOG shares in 2009
14:02:49 <phenny> Google->price -> Google->price->2009
14:03:05 <Arnia> .o wa the average price of APPL shares in 2009
14:03:11 <phenny> Apple->price -> Apple->price->2009;price->$ 235.97 (AAPL->NASDAQ->6:59:58 pm PDT->18 hrs 3 mins ago)-> , price, 2009->mean->$ 145.96 (US dollars), ->highest->$ 211.75 (US dollars) (Wednesday, December 30, 2009), ->lowest->$ 78.20 (US dollars) (Tuesday, January 20, 2009), ->volatility->34%
14:03:36 <[bjoern]> It's not a conspiracy. It's not.
14:03:52 <Arnia> .o wa the electronegativity of hafnium
14:03:54 <phenny> hafnium->electronegativity;1.3
14:04:10 <[bjoern]> .o wa mass of earth
14:04:12 <phenny> Earth->mass;5.9742x10^24 kg (kilograms);1.3171x10^25 lb (pounds);5.9742x10^27 grams;5.9742x10^21 metric tons; ~~ ( 3x10^(-6) ~~ 1/333000 ) x solar mass ( 1.988435x10^30 kg ); ~~ ( 0.0031 ~~ 1/318 ) x Jupiter mass ( 1.8988x10^27 kg ); ~~ 18 x Mercury mass ( 3.3022x10^23 kg );Weight w of a body from w = mg:, ->1.317x10^25 lbf (pounds-force), ->5.8
14:04:31 <Arnia> .o wa the number of protons in the universe
14:04:35 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:05:32 <[bjoern]> .o wa Eddington number
14:05:34 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:05:42 <[bjoern]> .calc Eddington number * 1
14:05:43 <phenny> Eddington number * 1 = Eddington number
14:05:59 <Arnia> .o wa the mass of the eiffel tower
14:06:08 <phenny> Error fetching URI.
14:06:34 <Arnia> .o wa the height of the eiffel tower
14:06:37 <phenny> Tour Eiffel->height;984 feet (city rank: 1st->national rank: 1st);0.1864 miles;328 yards;300 meters;0.3 km (kilometers); ~~ 0.54 x height of the CN Tower (~~ 553 m )
14:07:10 <[bjoern]> Wikipedia will soon look all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddington_number?useskin=vector -ish.
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14:07:27 <Arnia> .o wa the tallest building in Europe
14:07:29 <phenny> tallest building-> , in->Europe
14:08:03 <[bjoern]> .o wa smallest height that is larger than the height of the eiffel tower
14:08:09 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
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14:08:39 <[bjoern]> weird Bibliography formatting in that article btw
14:09:29 <[bjoern]> phenny, en is "I believe there are 15 747 724 136 275 002 577 605 653 961 181 555 468 044 717 914 527 116 709 366 231 425 076 185 631 031 296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons."?
14:09:29 <phenny> [bjoern]: The en to is translation failed, sorry!
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14:09:40 <[bjoern]> phenny, en is "I believe there are (many) protons in the universe and the same number of electrons."?
14:09:40 <phenny> [bjoern]: The en to is translation failed, sorry!
14:10:03 <[bjoern]> phenny, "Ég tel að við eigum 15 747 724 136 275 002 577 605 653 961 181 555 468 044 717 914 527 116 709 366 231 425 076 185 631 031 296 róteinda í alheiminum og sama fjölda rafeinda."?
14:10:03 <phenny> [bjoern]: "I believe there are 15 747 724 136 275 002 577 605 653 961 181 555 468 044 717 914 527 116 709 366 231 425 076 185 631 031 296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons." (is to en, translate.google.com)
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14:10:55 <[bjoern]> phenny, "Svo er það með það virkar ekki á hinn veginn?"?
14:10:55 <phenny> [bjoern]: "So is it that does not work the other way around?" (is to en, translate.google.com)
14:12:58 <sbp> bad chanserv
14:13:15 <[bjoern]> That'll show em
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14:13:17 <sbp> actually it's my fault
14:13:21 <sbp> I meant to use another channel name
14:13:25 <Arnia> Funny how Manchester is a bit closer to Sheffield than to Liverpool yet Sheffield feels a lot further away
14:13:28 <sbp> but I'm so used to opping myself on Swhack apparently
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14:14:13 <Arnia> .o wa how long does it take to get from Birmingham to Manchester by train?
14:14:21 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:14:56 <[bjoern]> .o wa distance between Belgrad and Venice
14:15:01 <phenny> distance->from->Belgrade, Central Serbia, Serbia, to->Venice, Veneto, Italy;401.3 miles;645.9 km (kilometers);645886 meters;6.459x10^7 cm (centimeters);348.8 nmi (nautical miles);aircraft (550 mph)->44 minutes, sound->31 minutes 40 seconds, light in fiber->3.02 ms (milliseconds), light in vacuum->2.16 ms (milliseconds), (assuming constant sp
14:15:12 <[bjoern]> .o wa distance between Dagebüll and Magdeburg
14:15:16 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:15:22 <[bjoern]> .o wa distance between Dagebuell and Magdeburg
14:15:26 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:15:34 <[bjoern]> Could be umlaut related. Let's see...
14:16:14 <[bjoern]> Nope, doesn't know Dagebüll.
14:16:38 <[bjoern]> .o wa Dagebüll
14:16:41 <phenny> Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story (movie);title->Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story, director->Rawson Marshall Thurber, release date->June 18, 2004 (5 years 9 months ago), runtime->92 minutes (1 hour 32 minutes), writer->Rawson Marshall Thurber, genres->comedy -> sport, box office total->$ 114.3 million (US dollars) (unadjusted);actor->character
14:16:46 <[bjoern]> complete fail
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14:17:42 <Arnia> They seem to render headings in Alpha using TeX
14:17:46 <Arnia> that's rather weird
14:18:32 <[bjoern]> I would expect they have some mathematica backend for the rendering
14:18:52 <Arnia> but why not include them in text
14:18:58 <Arnia> since a lot of the rest is text
14:20:08 <[bjoern]> I guess that falls into the "why bother" category
14:20:56 <[bjoern]> .o wa distance between Niebüll and Magdeburg
14:21:00 <phenny> distance->from->Niebull, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany, to->Magdeburg, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany;217.6 miles;350.1 km (kilometers);350131 meters;3.501x10^7 cm (centimeters);189.1 nmi (nautical miles);aircraft (550 mph)->23 minutes 40 seconds, sound->17 minutes, light in fiber->1.63 ms (milliseconds), light in vacuum->1.17 ms (milliseconds), (assu
14:25:37 <Arnia> .o wa distance between manchester and london
14:25:41 <phenny> distance->from->Manchester, New Hampshire, United States, to->London, London, United Kingdom;3271 miles;5264 km (kilometers);5.264x10^6 meters;2842 nmi (nautical miles);aircraft (550 mph)->5 hours 60 minutes, sound->4 hours 20 minutes, light in fiber->24.6 ms (milliseconds), light in vacuum->17.6 ms (milliseconds), (assuming constant speed a
14:25:49 <[bjoern]> .o wa humans and death
14:25:53 <Arnia> .o wa distance between manchester, uk and london
14:25:54 <phenny> all countries->population -> all countries->annual deaths;population->6.75 billion people (total), annual deaths->55 million people per year (total)
14:25:56 <[bjoern]> .o wa humans and life
14:25:57 <phenny> distance->from->Manchester, Manchester, United Kingdom, to->London, London, United Kingdom;164.2 miles;264.3 km (kilometers);264299 meters;2.643x10^7 cm (centimeters);142.7 nmi (nautical miles);aircraft (550 mph)->18 minutes, sound->13 minutes, light in fiber->1.24 ms (milliseconds), light in vacuum->880 micros (microseconds), (assuming const
14:25:58 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:27:37 <[bjoern]> .o wa sex the sex the sex
14:27:39 <phenny> Sex (book) -> Sex (book) -> Sex (book);->Sex->Sex->Sex, author->Madonna->Madonna->Madonna, publisher->Warner->Warner->Warner
14:28:42 <[bjoern]> .o wa paranoia
14:28:45 <phenny> Orgasmo (movie);title->Orgasmo, director->Umberto Lenzi, release date->February 7, 1969 (41 years 2 months ago), runtime->91 minutes (1 hour 31 minutes), writers->Ugo Moretti -> Umberto Lenzi, genres->drama -> thriller;actor->character(s), Carroll Baker->Kathryn West, Lou Castel->Peter Donovan, Colette Descombes->Eva, Tino Carraro->Brion Sander
14:30:57 <[bjoern]> .leo freitod
14:30:58 <phenny> suicide = der Freitod
14:30:59 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=freitod
14:31:01 <[bjoern]> .o wa freitod
14:31:06 <phenny> freedom (English word);immunity->immunity from an obligation or duty, state->the condition of being free; the power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints, (2 meanings);Old English;written->1/15000 (rank: 1613th), 100% noun, spoken->1/56000 (rank: 2566th), 100% noun, (based on the 100 million-word British National Corpus);f
14:33:06 <Arnia> "There have been two big revolutions in computing hardware (1) price (2) performance."
14:33:14 <Arnia> There is a fun way of looking at things
14:33:21 <Arnia> ooh, 100% noun
14:33:30 <Arnia> as opposed to 90% noun, 10% chicken?
14:34:16 <[bjoern]> .o wa given name Sean
14:34:20 <phenny> Sean (male given name in the US);rank->83rd, fraction->1 in 400 people (0.25%), number->5377 people per year , (US data based on 2008 births and other SSA registrations in the US);expected total number alive today->384520 people, expected population fraction->1 in 617 people (0.16%), expected rank->124th, most common age->20 years, (using standard
14:34:34 <[bjoern]> .o wa given name Steve
14:34:37 <phenny> Steve (male given name in the US);rank->593rd, fraction->1 in 5155 people (0.019%), number->417 people per year , (US data based on 2008 births and other SSA registrations in the US);expected total number alive today->202185 people, expected population fraction->1 in 1173 people (0.085%), expected rank->274th, most common age->51 years, (using sta
14:34:38 <Arnia> .o wa given name Joe
14:34:41 <phenny> Joe (male given name in the US);rank->411th, fraction->1 in 3012 people (0.033%), number->715 people per year , (US data based on 2008 births and other SSA registrations in the US);expected total number alive today->306801 people, expected population fraction->1 in 773 people (0.13%), expected rank->173rd, most common age->51 years, (using standar
14:35:03 <Arnia> .o wa given name Joseph
14:35:06 <phenny> Joseph (male given name in the US);rank->13th, fraction->1 in 132 people (0.76%), number->16281 people per year , (US data based on 2008 births and other SSA registrations in the US);expected total number alive today->1.947 million people, expected population fraction->1 in 122 people (0.82%), expected rank->9th, most common age->28 years, (using
14:36:03 <[bjoern]> .o wa given name Satan
14:36:07 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:36:15 <[bjoern]> .o wa given name Lord
14:36:17 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:36:26 <[bjoern]> .o wa given name You
14:36:27 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:36:58 <sbp> .o wa given name Björn
14:37:02 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
14:37:07 <sbp> .o wa given name Bjorn
14:37:09 <phenny> Bjorn (male given name in the US);rank->beyond 1000th, fraction->less than 1 in 12500 people (0.008%), number->< 200 people per year , (US data based on 2008 births and other SSA registrations in the US);expected total number alive today->158 people, expected population fraction->1 in 1.499 million people (6.7x10^-5%), expected rank->5467th, mo
14:37:14 <sbp> SHENANIGANS
14:37:24 <sbp> Beyond 1000th, heh
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14:40:45 <[bjoern]> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=given+name+Noah does send a message there
14:40:59 <[bjoern]> Did Noah take his parents?
14:42:47 <[bjoern]> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=given+name+Merilyn also interesting
15:03:25 <[bjoern]> .o wa jailbait
15:03:37 <phenny> Jailbait (movie);title->Jailbait, director->Brett C. Leonard, runtime->90 minutes (1 hour 30 minutes), writer->Brett C. Leonard, genre->drama, box office total->$ 5741 (US dollars) (unadjusted);actor->character(s), Stephen Adly Guirgis->Jake, Michael Pitt->Randy, Laila Robins->Mother, David Zayas->Guard, Eric Trosman->Prison Guard, Brian Albane
15:06:40 <[bjoern]> .o wa given name Jesus
15:06:44 <phenny> Jesus (male given name in the US);rank->79th, fraction->1 in 378 people (0.26%), number->5697 people per year , (US data based on 2008 births and other SSA registrations in the US);expected total number alive today->179071 people, expected population fraction->1 in 1325 people (0.075%), expected rank->300th, most common age->6 years, (using standa
15:10:40 <[bjoern]> .gc "Federal Judge Finds N.S.A. Wiretaps Were Illegal"
15:10:40 <phenny> "Federal Judge Finds N.S.A. Wiretaps Were Illegal": 664
15:11:04 <[bjoern]> "Next Big Thing in English: Knowing They Know That You Know"
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15:11:23 <[bjoern]> .wik Horseradish
15:11:24 <phenny> "Horseradish (Armoracia rusticana, syn. Cochlearia armoracia) is a perennial plant of the Brassicaceae family, which also includes mustard, wasabi, broccoli, and cabbages." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseradish
15:11:44 <[bjoern]> Meerrettich.
15:12:51 <[bjoern]> http://runway.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/young-trendsetters-streak-their-hair-with-gray/?src=me&ref=general
15:12:57 <[bjoern]> I told people so years ago
15:13:46 <sbp> ‘Her color malfunction had placed her, it seemed, in a league with fashion’s bright young things, affluent trendsetters like Daphne Guinness’
15:14:45 <[bjoern]> .o wa given name "Long"
15:14:49 <phenny> Long (male given name in the US);rank->beyond 1000th, fraction->less than 1 in 12500 people (0.008%), number->< 200 people per year , (US data based on 2008 births and other SSA registrations in the US);expected total number alive today->292 people, expected population fraction->1 in 812272 people (1.2x10^-4%), expected rank->5070th, most commo
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15:17:19 <[bjoern]> hmm hmm http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=given+name+%22Alpha%22
15:18:19 <[bjoern]> More parents should call their children bacon.
15:18:46 <sbp> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=given+name+%22Jean-Luc%22
15:20:13 <[bjoern]> Comparing Bud and Terrence is also interesting
15:21:00 <[bjoern]> "Georgia (male given name in the US)"
15:24:20 <[bjoern]> #7 on nyt is "Can Animals Be Gay?"
15:24:58 <[bjoern]> #10 is "All-Nighters: An Insomniac\rquote s Best Friend"
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15:30:46 <thelsdj> mornin
15:35:38 <Arnia> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/02/why-i-wont-buy-an-ipad-and-think-you-shouldnt-either.html
15:37:34 <Arnia> I love the Maker's Manifesto
15:37:55 <Arnia> cos of course I can take apart a PC's chips...
15:39:15 <Arnia> It is fine to be against increasing abstraction; but you have to realise then that you're against the natural progression of civilisation. You can say 'this is civil enough' but can't then complain that technology hits an abstraction limit
15:44:53 <thelsdj> yeah, but I think there is something to be said for the difference between the abstraction of a chip and the forced abstraction of a lot of aspects of modern consumer electronics devices that are done for business control
15:46:03 <Arnia> I'm wary of arguments that 'X is done for control'... I could just as well argue that 'X is done for consumer experience'. Intention shouldn't matter
15:46:23 <Arnia> well, it *doesn't* matter for effects
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15:46:59 <[bjoern]> intent is important to predict what is to come.
15:47:02 <Arnia> and I don't believe anyone knows the intentions of companies (not even the companies themselves)
15:47:25 <Arnia> or rather, not even the people in the companies
15:47:34 <[bjoern]> And then God created gossip.
15:48:26 <Arnia> My point is that intent (if it exists even) may be important data for predicting the future; but it is rarely available and most people confuse their own paranoias and prejudices with what the intent must be
15:48:37 <Arnia> this isn't a sound basis for making a decision
15:49:51 <[bjoern]> It does help you though to play through what-ifs and pick a risk/benefit solution that appeals to you.
15:50:04 <Arnia> humans are awful at what-ifs
15:50:06 <[bjoern]> What the intent may be is less relevant than you thinking about it.
15:50:08 <Arnia> We tend to overcommit
15:50:16 <[bjoern]> Humans are aweful at most things.
15:50:34 <[bjoern]> We aren't even good at taking up space.
15:50:45 <Arnia> so, we'll pick the most likely option (given our prejudices from our background beliefs) at each stage and find it hard to backtrack
15:51:40 <Arnia> and whilst there is nothing wrong with thinking about the intent; I think it is sloppy to believe you *know* the intent
15:52:13 <Arnia> it discounts the degree of evidence associated with the whole argument in my eyes
15:52:30 <thelsdj> Technical abstraction isn't always the same thing as business abstraction though. So a certain amount of one can be bad for the other
15:53:05 <thelsdj> (and obviously the opposite is true as well)
15:53:20 <Arnia> True. But technical abstraction isn't always the same thing as adding value to society too
15:53:25 <Arnia> and vice versa
15:54:02 <thelsdj> Yep, but there is something to be said for trying to understand what adds value to society and trying to encourage that
15:54:16 <thelsdj> Its _hard_ but not impossible
15:54:37 <Arnia> I think much of technology in the past twenty years has been about make-work
15:54:44 <Arnia> particularly computers
15:55:31 <Arnia> They add some value yes; but at the cost of requiring someone to use non-domain skills to solve domain problems
15:55:46 <Arnia> (which runs counter to what I see the point of technology as being)
15:56:07 <Arnia> it creates a bottleneck that slows down development
15:56:21 <Arnia> To do X, you have to know Y even though Y is a completely different skillset
15:56:48 <Arnia> It is like requiring farmers to understand Etruscan to operate their tractors
15:57:18 <Arnia> it wouldn't be bad if the skills were trivial to learn, but knowing how to use and run a computer is *not* trivial
15:57:32 <Arnia> the system is too complicated, with too many variables
15:58:50 <Arnia> this slows down development of all domains which currently use computers (except the development of computer technology)
15:59:39 <Arnia> Do we think it is a bad thing that the average consumer cannot take their television or fridge to pieces?
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15:59:55 <Arnia> these are often sealed boxes of functionality
16:00:55 <[bjoern]> So what's sbp's most exciting recent "thing". Question Mark.
16:01:29 <sbp> well nslater just helped to fix my feed
16:01:48 <sbp> * Convert Weblog to Google Group
16:01:48 <sbp> * Discover that the feed is COMPLETELY crap
16:01:48 <sbp> * http://pipes.yahoo.com/nslater/groups
16:01:48 <sbp> * Fix with Feedburner
16:01:48 <sbp> * Augment with Buzzboost
16:01:49 <sbp> DONE
16:01:55 <sbp> result: http://inamidst.com/whits/
16:02:03 <thelsdj> [bjoern]: UPS did come, so I no longer need pitty or whatever it was I was looking for the other day
16:02:13 <[bjoern]> Good for you!
16:02:35 <[bjoern]> I do believe though I neither gave nor offered anything, except mean commentary.
16:02:46 <sbp> not particularly exciting, but I found it kind of amusing that Google Groups is broken so you have to use Yahoo! Pipes to fix it. but then Yahoo! Pipes is broken, so you have to use Google Feedburner to fix it
16:02:58 <sbp> AND THEN IT WORKS
16:03:03 <thelsdj> oh god, what is the font on whits? it looks terrible in chrome
16:03:10 <sbp> you're using Windows
16:03:12 <sbp> or Linux
16:03:16 <thelsdj> windows, yes
16:03:25 <sbp> yeah, hinting breaks. sigh
16:03:31 <sbp> only seems to work on OS X
16:03:39 <sbp> because OS X blows the font way up then downsamples
16:03:45 <sbp> thus getting round hinting problems
16:03:45 <thelsdj> ah
16:03:49 <sbp> I'll change the font, hang on
16:04:25 <[[sroracle]]> Looks fine here
16:04:41 <sbp> you're on OS X? or using Safari
16:04:44 <[bjoern]> YOUR WEB SITE IS ATTACKING WITH FONTS, IE says. I have not yet configured it properly since my old pc broke down. Normally it just rejected font attacks.
16:04:44 <archels> Failure also on Win7 & Opera.
16:04:55 <sbp> anyway, fixed it now
16:04:58 <sbp> should work anywhere
16:05:01 <[[sroracle]]> sbp: Chrome on Linux.
16:05:02 <archels> better
16:05:03 <sbp> as long as you have Javascript
16:05:55 <[[sroracle]]> This is the old font -> http://grabs.sthrs.me/1270238687.png
16:06:00 <[bjoern]> this is all up the whazzo.
16:06:25 <[[sroracle]]> The new font looks less antialiased
16:06:59 <[bjoern]> omg "This document was successfully checked as HTML5!"
16:07:04 <sbp> yeah
16:07:10 <sbp> heh. there's not much in it
16:07:13 <sbp> also it's "HTML5"
16:07:15 <sbp> in scare quotes
16:07:23 <[bjoern]> validator.w3.org seems more or less broke
16:07:33 <[bjoern]> been loading for a minute now
16:07:42 <sbp> you used the HTML5 validator?
16:07:45 <[bjoern]> either they have an interesting new layout, it opera gave up loading
16:07:54 <[bjoern]> I just right-clicked and picked validate
16:08:09 <[bjoern]> it's validator.w3.org/check as usual
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16:08:55 <[[sroracle]]> Layout looks the same
16:09:03 <[[sroracle]]> Though it is taking longer than usual to load
16:09:39 <[[sroracle]]> Average ping response: 58.026ms
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16:21:39 <Monty> bah, it's kpreid again
16:24:20 <sbp> and now I just tried serving a clone of the phenny git repo from dropbox
16:24:28 <sbp> using the guide at http://gitready.com/intermediate/2009/01/24/sharing-your-changes.html
16:24:40 <sbp> seems to have worked
16:29:37 <jeanniecool> b/c you're a genius, SeanB?
16:29:38 <phenny> jeanniecool: 04:56Z <[bjoern]> tell jeanniecool Phallus.
16:29:51 <jeanniecool> phenny, tell [bjoern] Thanks! Backatcha, baby!
16:29:51 <phenny> jeanniecool: I'll pass that on when [bjoern] is around.
16:30:51 <sbp> something like that MAYBE
16:31:34 * jeanniecool giggles
16:42:12 <Arnia> sbp: http://data.gov.uk/dataset/os-50k-gazetteer
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17:00:47 <sbp> Arnia: woah! nice!
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17:17:02 <archels> .ety mama
17:17:02 <phenny> "early 19c. spelling variant of mamma (q.v.)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=mama
17:17:09 <archels> .ety mamma
17:17:09 <phenny> "1579, reduplication of *ma-, nearly universal among the I.E. languages (cf. Gk. mamme 'mother, grandmother,' L. mamma, Pers. mama, Rus., Lith. mama 'mother,' Ger. Muhme 'mother's sister,' Fr. mamen, Welsh mam 'mother')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=mamma
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18:41:29 <sbp> note to self: http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=49478;sa=showPosts
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19:34:31 <[bjoern]> yip yip
19:34:31 <phenny> [bjoern]: 16:29Z <jeanniecool> tell [bjoern] Thanks! Backatcha, baby!
19:36:56 <archels> Cannot include your name, ID, or the word "password"
19:37:04 <archels> Fucking Yahoo. Why can't I have password as my password?
19:37:26 <[bjoern]> use "secret"
19:38:34 <archels> bingo
19:41:35 <treed> "god"
19:41:42 <treed> Would her holiness care to change her password?
19:44:18 <BigJibby> drowssap
19:44:28 <[bjoern]> jibby jibby
19:44:57 <BigJibby> bjoern
19:45:07 <BigJibby> I let you out of your box
20:08:51 <[bjoern]> It happens, don't worry about it.
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20:20:17 <Monty> yo [bjoern]!
20:20:24 <[bjoern]> shut up Monty.
20:20:28 <Monty> "Requirements: Compatible with it, so even that 2000ad wikis.
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21:02:55 <Monty> welcome, jetx
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21:23:17 <[[sroracle]]> hey Monty
21:23:18 <Monty> README.txt
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23:31:59 <[bjoern]> .wik wik wik wik
23:32:00 <phenny> "Start the Wik wik wik article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wik_wik_wik
23:32:14 <[bjoern]> We should pester sbp to fix that
23:37:14 <BigJibby> .wik sbp
23:37:15 <phenny> "Start the Sbp article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbp
23:38:13 <BigJibby> .wik revolution. Return the
23:38:14 <phenny> "Start the Revolution." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution._Return_the
23:39:24 <BigJibby> .wik Monty bashing.
23:39:24 <Monty> hehe
23:39:24 <phenny> "Start the Monty bashing. article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_bashing.
23:39:26 <Monty> grass is unusual and religious!
23:39:47 <BigJibby> .wik Monty bashing. hehe this will fail
23:39:48 <phenny> "Start the Monty bashing. hehe this will fail article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_bashing._hehe_this_will_fail
23:39:49 <Monty> tags (keyword list)
23:39:51 <Monty> Analyse Störchenpenis (0), Storchenpenis (0)
23:40:18 <BigJibby> phenny, tell sbp pester
23:40:18 <phenny> BigJibby: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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23:55:06 <Monty> hey MoiraA
23:55:29 <treed>
23:55:34 <treed> The hell
23:55:39 <[bjoern]> nu
