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03:26:49 <[bjoern]> Librarians in New York's oldest library have uncovered a surprising borrower with overdue books: George Washington." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8627835.stm
03:27:11 <[bjoern]> "Adjusted for inflation, he has since racked up $300,000 (£195,000) in fines for being some 220 years late."
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03:42:24 <jeanniecool> penis!
03:42:42 <[bjoern]> check.
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03:45:58 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Logbuch&page=Lerchensporne&hide_review_log=0 took just under one week!
03:45:58 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
03:46:38 <[bjoern]> great map http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8628867.stm
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05:53:05 <Monty> Thank goodness, cre8radix is back!
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07:49:54 <[bjoern]> Monty.
07:50:02 <Monty> hasn't been really have used to whom he refuses to mean - BBC Four on PEAR was able to such an iPad: http://www.9to5mac.com/files/u3/blog_ipad_printing_big.jpg
07:50:23 <[bjoern]> Disturbing image there
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07:51:30 <Monty> yo nogagplz!
07:52:42 <[bjoern]> k Monty
07:52:45 <Monty> Fort is the application logic to tell us about ) in karma
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09:10:40 <Monty> bah, it's mmmmmrob again
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09:39:01 <sbp> [bjoern]: ahahaha, they reverted it?
09:40:40 <sbp> http://clubtroppo.com.au/files/2010/04/Sanity-in-the-US.gif
09:41:42 <sbp> wow, Labour and Conservatives are really worried about the Lib Dems
09:42:01 <sbp> either that or they're using the Lib Dem surge to divert attention from policy
09:56:06 <nsh> either way is good with me
09:56:20 <nsh> i am so behind on my revision
09:57:24 <[bjoern]> No, they "sighted" it, i.e. it's now more or less visible to users who are not logged in.
09:57:50 <nsh> Millions of passengers have been affected by the crisis, which is now into its fifth day.
09:57:51 <nsh> Britain ordered three Royal Navy ships to help bring home stranded nationals.
09:57:51 <[bjoern]> ÖRL for the pix?
09:57:55 <nsh> I WANNA RIDE TEH WARSHIP
09:58:07 <[bjoern]> well get stranded
09:58:07 <nsh> I WAMMA RIES WORSHUMP
09:58:16 <nsh> I AMS
09:58:19 <[bjoern]> Warshrimps are dangerous to ride.
09:58:58 <nsh> oh, i have to get to spain
09:58:59 <nsh> weak
09:59:11 <[bjoern]> Texas has an odd color there, I'd think.
09:59:31 <[bjoern]> Also, some of the squares.
10:01:03 <nsh> holy shit
10:01:05 <nsh> what if
10:01:13 <nsh> what if some FUCKING AWESOME ecoterrorists
10:01:23 <nsh> go around causing volocanic ash plumes
10:01:27 <nsh> to disrupt air traffic
10:01:40 <[bjoern]> They'd get some awesome fucking, I'd think.
10:01:47 <nsh> damn straight
10:01:50 <nsh> but it'd be worth it
10:02:11 <[bjoern]> .g ashplumeterrorwiki
10:02:12 <phenny> [bjoern]: No results found for 'ashplumeterrorwiki'.
10:02:14 <nsh> shit, i should be shorting BAA
10:02:14 <Monty> potty mouth!
10:02:18 <nsh> i got paid today
10:02:26 <[bjoern]> So, get wasted.
10:03:05 <nsh> that's also a plan
10:04:14 <nsh> Biggest Fallers (FTSE100)
10:04:14 <nsh> BAY British Airways PLC 226.50 -8.50
10:04:14 <nsh> TCG Thomas Cook Ord Eur0.10 253.50 -7.60
10:07:11 <[bjoern]> Wonder how long until we learn some people in Iceland had heavily betted against those shortly before the plumestrophy.
10:08:27 <sbp> nsh: yeah, but they sent them to the Mediterranean
10:08:35 <nsh> yeah, bastards
10:08:38 <sbp> so you'd better start walking
10:08:42 <nsh> i might hitchhike to spain
10:08:50 <nsh> http://www.moneyextra.com/stocks/LSE/AU.?CodeSelected=AU.&SectorCode=3200&CodeType=EPIC&FundManagerID=&period=6_month&IndexPeriod=&FundList=&indices=
10:08:52 <sbp> someone tried to hire a van in Copenhagen to drive to a channel port
10:08:56 <nsh> wonder what this is all about
10:09:00 <nsh> nice
10:09:04 <sbp> they were quoted a price of £2000 for a day and a half rental
10:09:23 <nsh> heh
10:09:53 <nsh> http://www.autonomy.com/
10:09:57 <nsh> looks INVESTALICIOUS
10:10:13 <nsh> look at all that fancy empty marketing!
10:10:42 <nsh> Recent News
10:10:42 <nsh> 12 Apr, 2010 AUTONOMY TRANSFORMS DIGITAL ASSET MANAGEMENT WITH MEANING-BASED RICH MEDIA MANAGEMENT PLATFORM
10:10:42 <nsh> 16 Mar, 2010 AUTONOMY DELIVERS THE FIRST MEANING-BASED MULTICHANNEL CUSTOMER INTERACTION ANALYTICS APPLICATION
10:10:42 <nsh> 15 Mar, 2010 AUTONOMY IMANAGE ACCELERATES MOMENTUM WITH LARGEST DUTCH LAW FIRMS
10:10:56 <nsh> yup, these guys can only go up
10:11:08 <sbp> I love how it combines the optimism of 2003 with the web design of 1999
10:11:22 *** nsh changed the topic to: "<sbp> I love how it combines the optimism of 2003 with the web design of 1999"
10:11:40 <sbp> that is the best blend
10:11:43 <nsh> totals
10:11:59 <nsh> i'm going to put 100 pounds in for 6 months on a whim
10:13:23 <sbp> in out in out invest it all about
10:13:41 <sbp> you do the smirky shirky and you plan it wrong
10:13:45 <sbp> and bankrupt yourself all out. hey!
10:13:55 <nsh> OOOOOOOOOO
10:14:00 <nsh> EIGHTIES EIGHTIES EIGHTIES
10:14:03 <nsh> OOOOOOOOO
10:14:07 <nsh> EIGHTIES EIGHTIES EIGHTIES
10:14:11 <sbp> please don't scare me with the eighties
10:14:17 <nsh> COCAINE STRIPPERS WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP
10:14:20 <nsh> ok
10:14:35 <sbp> also, hookers and blow is the usual combination
10:14:49 <nsh> didn't fit teh meter
10:14:51 <[bjoern]> Don't need the blow, necessarily.
10:14:55 <nsh> that's my excuse for all crimes
10:15:12 <sbp> bet we could make it fit the metre
10:15:26 <sbp> oh, just swap it round
10:15:26 <Monty> at treasure hunts.
10:15:27 <nsh> Your Honour, I was going to return the Jewels, but it didn't fit the meter
10:15:31 <sbp> BLOW AND HOOKERS RAH RAH RAH!
10:15:34 <nsh> yeah
10:15:43 <nsh> but don't tell the judge it's that easy
10:15:44 <nsh> shhh
10:15:52 <sbp> yeah, he'll fall on you
10:15:58 <sbp> he's badly built and he walks on stilts
10:16:06 <nsh> word
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10:19:56 <[bjoern]> sbp still has not given me the ÖRL
10:20:10 <[bjoern]> So I finded it myself.
10:22:20 <sbp> qgixh ÖRL did you want?
10:22:42 <[bjoern]> for the pix.
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10:23:35 <sbp> which pix?
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10:23:41 <sbp> there is so many pix in the world
10:25:17 <archels> nice
10:25:26 <archels> fuzzy due to atmosphere or 'scope?
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10:26:12 <sbp> fuzzy due to it being only like the fifth picture I tried
10:26:21 <sbp> I was just trying to figure out what exposure settings I need to use
10:26:39 <sbp> so, next up I'm going to try to (a) focus it better, and (b) wait for the atmosphere to be all still
10:26:51 <sbp> when looking through the EP, about 4/5 of the time it's blurry just because of air turbulence
10:26:56 <archels> [bjoern]: oops, I read over it
10:27:06 <sbp> note that it's very, very hard to focus through the camera EP too
10:27:18 <sbp> all you see is this tiny Saturn shaped dot, and you more or less have to guess when it's in focus
10:27:34 <archels> surely you're using manual focus?
10:27:38 <sbp> yup
10:27:44 <[bjoern]> Capturing light into little boxes is generally hard, considering how fast light goes.
10:27:50 <sbp> there is no AF on a barlow lens
10:27:55 <sbp> sadly
10:27:55 <[bjoern]> It'd be even worse if you tried it in a vacuum.
10:28:11 <sbp> worse for me, better for the picture
10:28:19 <sbp> but I could be wearing a spacesuit
10:28:26 <archels> Sir Patrick would be proud.
10:28:47 <[bjoern]> But the light would go faster!
10:29:09 <archels> infinitesimally
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10:35:51 <archels> another Dutchie
10:35:54 <archels> hi danbri!
10:36:50 <danbri> 'ello
10:37:05 * danbri dutchie? where? :)
10:37:24 <danbri> i'm a guest worker from overseas!
10:38:43 <archels> oh, well, culture will rub off on you soon enough.
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13:01:02 <[bjoern]> I like how they use http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47669000/jpg/_47669642_fixit-microsoft66.jpg on the front page and http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47669000/jpg/_47669447_fixit-eyewire226.jpg.jpg in the article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8629331.stm
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13:35:29 <archels> Mhm, spotted the word "till" in a paper. That's not really proper formal English, is it?
13:35:43 <archels> More of a colloquial form.
13:36:05 <sbp> till is a perfectly valid English word, of ancient origin and acceptable in formal prose
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13:36:19 <sbp> it is not, moreover, short for "until"
13:36:27 <sbp> which is a common misapprehension
13:37:23 <Arnia> 'til is
13:37:23 <archels> • preposition & conjunction less formal way of saying UNTIL.
13:37:24 <archels> — ORIGIN Old English (not a shortened form of until).
13:37:52 <archels> So it's a less formal way of saying until, but not a shortened form? Confusing...
13:38:51 <archels> .ety till
13:38:52 <phenny> "'until,' O.E. til (Northumbrian), from O.N. til 'to, until,' from P.Gmc. *tilan (cf. Dan. til, O.Fris. til 'to, till,' Goth. tils 'convenient,' Ger. Ziel 'limit, end, goal')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=till
13:39:18 <archels> .ety until
13:39:18 <phenny> "c.1200, from O.N. und 'as far as, up to' (related to O.E. end; see end) + till 'until, up to' (see till)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=until
13:39:24 <sbp> actually it has many, many uses
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13:41:12 <archels> I think the dictionary entires are just too concise--the etymologies help. :)
13:41:48 <sbp> I'm looking at the OED, and it is not concise in its definitions of till :-)
13:42:05 <archels> oh, I guess the online version is abridged
13:42:48 <sbp> I'm looking at http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50252760
13:43:33 <archels> The Oxford English Dictionary Online is a subscription service. Access to the Dictionary is only available to users with valid licences.
13:43:54 <archels> Google directed me to askoxford.com, whose tagline is "Oxford Dictionaries"...
13:44:25 <archels> Oh, yeah, the *compact* OED.
13:44:55 <archels> Care to paste it somewhere, sbp?
13:48:12 <sbp> Concise I think
13:48:21 <sbp> the compact is just a tiny print version
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13:57:28 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's m4rk!
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13:58:54 <[bjoern]> I wonder if there is a word in the english language that has its origins in the Early New High German language.
13:59:29 <[bjoern]> We should have a grep-able ety dict.
13:59:47 <[bjoern]> Some wish wiktionary would suck a little less.
14:00:28 <[bjoern]> I like how zh is a lot bigger than de there
14:00:36 <[bjoern]> also, the zh logo is not the worst of logos.
14:00:58 <[bjoern]> Compare to the de logo
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14:02:13 <sbp> the problem with wiktionary is that they tried to make it like wikipedia
14:02:18 <sbp> which was obviously quite a bad move
14:02:23 <sbp> they should have tried to make it like the OED, duh
14:02:41 <[bjoern]> Request for additional laboration.
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14:03:58 <sbp> well the worst aspect is that their layout is so badly splayed
14:04:03 <sbp> on OED it's much more compact
14:04:15 <sbp> and they don't use supporting quotes
14:04:28 <sbp> etymologies are usually very terse whereas OED goes into lots of detail
14:05:21 <[bjoern]> So you do call it "layout" what they use
14:05:34 <[bjoern]> Quotes: they don't?
14:06:22 <sbp> I rarely see them. if they do, they use them inline and only one or two
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14:06:27 <sbp> rather than a whole block of them
14:08:34 <[bjoern]> Hmm I do recall seeing some the last few times I was there, but a quick sample suggests I got lucky there. Well, "lucky", not that they had good quotes.
14:09:18 <[bjoern]> Terse etymology quite often means a transcluded empty document in the corresponding position.
14:10:36 <[bjoern]> Quite possibly a serious problem there is that MediaWiki is not quite the right software for the wiktionary
14:12:25 <[bjoern]> After some quick browsing, my impression is once more that the whole thing is utterly confusing wherever you go
14:12:51 <[bjoern]> I do like though how they frequently use Wikipedia as a source.
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14:18:24 <sbp> patbam designed a better interface once, I remember
14:18:34 <sbp> it's quite an obvious problem to any lexicographer I suspect
14:18:43 <sbp> I guess they just don't have any lexicographers working on wiktionary
14:19:17 <[bjoern]> They probably speedily deleted all entries created by lexicographers.
14:25:06 <sbp> http://wp1007209.wp014.webpack.hosteurope.de/pfalzstorch/tagesarchiv_bornheim1/tag/0902.jpg
14:26:06 <[bjoern]> the metal stork is looking in the other direction
14:27:04 <sbp> I see the blossomtree is out in bloom
14:27:13 <[bjoern]> That too I saw.
14:30:47 <sbp> http://julianhansen.com/files/infographiclarge_v2.png
14:30:52 <sbp> (via Morbus)
14:31:38 <[bjoern]> No Verdana?
14:31:44 <sbp> heh
14:32:18 <[bjoern]> It does have Garamond, and I can understand not listing Comic Sans
14:41:05 <clsn> Comic sans IS listed.
14:41:20 <clsn> A little under the middle, on the right edge.
14:41:46 <clsn> hee, kind of funny route to it.
14:43:22 <sbp> it has some strange features
14:43:32 <sbp> e.g. a whole disconnected bundle at the top right
14:43:36 <sbp> grammar error, typo
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14:46:45 <clsn> Palatino is disconnected (I mean, it's connected, but not to the root)
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14:49:57 <Monty> bah, it's jetscreamer again
14:50:06 * [bjoern] didn't say it wasn't
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15:00:51 <[bjoern]> .gc +tempolink
15:00:52 <phenny> +tempolink: 62
15:00:58 <[bjoern]> riiiight.
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15:23:13 <hannes_> is ztopic about tvtropes.org?
15:23:35 <[bjoern]> Is it that obvious?
15:24:41 <hannes_> no I just fail to think of any other website lately. tvtropes always on my mind.
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16:14:09 <clsn> phenny: tell sbp https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13794 for tracking tafting. still installing it myself.
16:14:09 <phenny> clsn: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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16:24:58 <[bjoern]> The plugin is shitrude man
16:25:00 <clsn> phenny!
16:25:01 <phenny> clsn!
16:25:45 <[bjoern]> You shouldn't do that to her unless you really mean it.
16:27:17 <clsn> What makes you think I didn't mean it? ('sides, had been waiting like 10m for a response; must have been net issues)
16:27:59 <[bjoern]> What makes you think I think you didn't mean it?
16:28:52 <clsn> What makes you think I think you think I didn't mean it?
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16:29:20 <[bjoern]> phenny, ask sbp So, if you were to cycle on Saturn's rings (take the middle one, say, or your favourite) how long would it take to cycle all the way around it?
16:29:21 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
16:29:51 <[bjoern]> I am not sure, but have you stopped beating your television?
16:30:17 <clsn> (in Lojban, there's actually a correct answer for that question)
16:31:26 <[bjoern]> Except they use Lojbanvision.
16:32:14 <clsn> (in Japan, the hand can be used like a knife)
16:32:33 <[bjoern]> Or schoolgirl panties.
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18:49:51 <[bjoern]> I have a number of SET PATH=%PATH%;... directives in my autoexec.bat, but for some reason only the last one has an effect
18:50:31 <[bjoern]> It used to work of course and I haven't changed the file since
18:57:37 <KragenSitaker> maybe you need to delete your tree files
18:58:16 <[bjoern]> I've upgraded to Ferocious Forest along ago.
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19:03:40 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://www.sloshspot.com/photos/blog/full/photo_1236752880.jpg
19:03:40 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around. I'll have to use a pastebin, though, so your message may get lost.
19:03:53 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp You should clean your inbox more often.
19:03:54 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around. I'll have to use a pastebin, though, so your message may get lost.
19:06:07 <[bjoern]> Also: http://www.slashfood.com/2006/02/24/dutch-create-beer-pouring-robot/
19:06:21 <[bjoern]> .gc Asimovbrew
19:06:22 <phenny> Asimovbrew: 0
19:08:57 <[bjoern]> I am disturbed that David Hasselhoff is the #3 image for 'bender boobs'
19:09:20 <[bjoern]> http://screampunch.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bender1125b.jpg the next I understand even less
19:10:11 <[bjoern]> Getting worse
19:10:44 <[bjoern]> http://funnycrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/bender-if030510.jpg is something to keep in store if you want to fake your webcam image
19:12:02 <[bjoern]> http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10959/bender-tatoo.jpg is #2 for just 'bender'
19:12:10 <[bjoern]> though that at least I can understand somehow
19:13:11 <[bjoern]> Oh I see they've integrated the similar image search
19:13:46 <[bjoern]> "Google Follow Finder analyzes public social graph information (following and follower lists) on Twitter to find people you might want to follow." That's, like, Pro. Stalking.
19:14:56 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://followfinder.googlelabs.com/search?user=sbp
19:14:56 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around. I'll have to use a pastebin, though, so your message may get lost.
19:16:58 <BigJibby> .o wa who owns google?
19:17:02 <phenny> google.com->Corporate information;company name->Google, Inc., location->Mountain View,California,United States, market cap->$ 174.9 billion, employees->19835 people
19:17:22 <BigJibby> you didn't answer my question
19:17:49 <BigJibby> .o wa who owns a majority of google?
19:17:55 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
19:18:11 <BigJibby> that's not even a word
19:18:32 <[bjoern]> Gollum would disagree.
19:18:44 <KragenSitaker> w|α
19:19:13 <KragenSitaker> BigJibby: one thing to keep in mind is that Google's publicly traded shares have 1/10 vote each
19:19:30 <KragenSitaker> so, who gets the profits and who fires the board of directors can be different people
19:19:49 <KragenSitaker> (at least that was the case at the IPO)
19:20:08 <BigJibby> I assume someone own 51% though
19:20:16 <[bjoern]> .gc +"ex-blogger"
19:20:16 <jsled> the troika
19:20:17 <phenny> +"ex-blogger": 1,880
19:21:38 <KragenSitaker> 51% of the votes, or 51% of the profits?
19:22:00 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell jeanniecool http://followfinder.googlelabs.com/search?user=penis - Something you could help with?
19:22:01 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when jeanniecool is around.
19:22:19 <[bjoern]> Of the employees.
19:23:27 <BigJibby> KragenSitaker, 51% ownership
19:23:33 <[bjoern]> For "@twitter" it only recommends "@cascadem" whatever that is.
19:23:35 <KragenSitaker> you mean the profits, then?
19:23:43 <KragenSitaker> (in either case I'm sure I don't know. but I suspect that 51% of the votes are controlled by the VCs and employees)
19:23:48 <BigJibby> depends on the share structure
19:24:23 <BigJibby> you can have multiple classes of shares, some with more "power" than others
19:25:58 * BigJibby pictures a shareholders meating like playing a game of magic the gathering
19:28:26 * sivy wants to level-up in Google Shares
19:30:40 <KragenSitaker> yes, that's what I was talking about
19:31:15 * [bjoern] thinks a meating must be something food-related.
19:39:36 <BigJibby> .wik meated
19:39:37 <phenny> "Poultry farming is the practice of raising poultry, such as chickens, turkeys, ducks, and geese, as a subcategory of animal husbandry, for the purpose of farming meat or eggs for food." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poultry_farming
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20:14:13 <archels> [bjoern]: God damn Americans thinking the Dutch live in Deutschland (re beer pouring robot).
20:14:32 <[bjoern]> They do.
20:15:06 <archels> sorry [bjoern], but you lost the war.
20:16:45 * Arnia drops a nuke nabbed from the third reich on archels
20:16:52 <Arnia> oops... that means they won't have it any more
20:16:59 <Arnia> must avoid interfering with history
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20:20:18 <BigJibby> .o wa where do the dutch live?
20:20:28 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
20:20:55 <Arnia> .o wa where is BigJibby?
20:20:58 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
20:21:06 <Arnia> .icbm BigJibby
20:21:16 <BigJibby> .o wa do the english have toothbrushes?
20:21:22 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
20:21:44 <[bjoern]> My place, last dutch I know had to flee
20:21:59 <[bjoern]> He kinda messed up closing the Bottschlotter Tief
20:22:22 <[bjoern]> .wik Jan Leeghwater
20:22:23 <phenny> "Jan Adriaanszoon Leeghwater (1575, De Rijp, Netherlands - 1650) was a Dutch mill builder and hydraulic engineer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Leeghwater
20:23:59 <BigJibby> .o wa where is Arnia?
20:24:02 <phenny> Arnia,Jammu and Kashmir,India->location
20:24:02 <[bjoern]> .wik Burchardi flood
20:24:06 <phenny> "The Burchardi Flood, (also known as the second Grote Mandrenke) was a Storm tide that struck the North Sea coast of Nordfriesland (Germany and Denmark) on the night between the 11 and 12 October 1634." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burchardi_flood
20:24:16 <[bjoern]> is probably the most emberassing article I've seen on en.wp ever.
20:24:26 <[bjoern]> The event is, like, important.
20:24:30 <BigJibby> .o wa what is Arnia wearing?
20:24:35 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
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20:28:14 <KragenSitaker> [bjoern]: do you think you could improve it substantially by editing it for fifteen minutes?
20:28:44 <KragenSitaker> looks like the German article is quite a bit more substantial
20:29:22 <[bjoern]> Yes. On the other hand, it's almost longer than most article's I've created.
20:29:42 <KragenSitaker> so even if you decided to pick a couple of important paragraphs from the German article, refs and all, and just translate them, you could make a big improvement.
20:30:41 <[bjoern]> Well that depends. For one thing, the german article is very poorly sourced.
20:30:57 <KragenSitaker> German WP standards for sourcing are higher than en.wp ones I think
20:31:06 <KragenSitaker> the English article doesn't even explain why the flood is important
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20:31:22 <[bjoern]> Higher as in ... what?
20:31:34 <KragenSitaker> most en.wp articles contain unsourced assertions
20:31:39 <KragenSitaker> many of which have been marked as such for years
20:31:46 <KragenSitaker> why was the flood important?
20:32:04 <[bjoern]> It's a lot worse on de.wp
20:32:28 <[bjoern]> Note that de.wp had [citation needed] verboten several years ago.
20:32:35 <KragenSitaker> ?
20:33:00 <KragenSitaker> something like, I don't know, ten billion people have died since then. this flood killed ten thousand. what makes it one of the, say, hundred thousand most important causes of death for ten thousand people each?
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20:34:44 <KragenSitaker> do you mean that there were no unsourced facts in de.wp? or that marking them as such rather than removing or sourcing them was against policy? or what?
20:35:00 <KragenSitaker> I don't read German, so I only know the German Wikipedia by its excellent reputation
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20:36:36 <[bjoern]> de.wp articles generally have fewer sources in general and where they do cite sources, they do so by citing a book under "Literatur" or some such without citing individual pages for individual statements.
20:37:18 <[bjoern]> I don't believe the de.wp reputation is grounded in fact for the most of it.
20:37:43 <cre8radix> KragenSitaker!
20:37:47 <cre8radix> ltns
20:38:55 <[bjoern]> Marking individual facts as unsourced is against policy, you could do it for a whole article, or, rarely, sections, but that's rarely done and not very helpful.
20:39:17 <KragenSitaker> hi cre8radix!
20:39:22 <[bjoern]> That unsourced statements are removed does not strike me as a common thing, but I have not researched that in detail.
20:39:46 <KragenSitaker> interesting
20:40:04 <[bjoern]> They rather concentrate on deleting articles they don't like and defend the articles they own against people editing them.
20:40:23 <KragenSitaker> anyway, I notice the English article still sucks, even though we've been kind of talking about it for ten minutes
20:40:58 <[bjoern]> Note that there are only about 10000 people who can edit de.wp anyway, other users can only propose edits which then have to be approved by one of the 10000.
20:41:13 <KragenSitaker> if you spent ten minutes editing the article, it would probably benefit more people than the (admittedly very interesting) discussion of the de.wp approved edits system.
20:41:25 <KragenSitaker> which really only benefits me.
20:41:26 <[bjoern]> Yeah I already said I could not improve it substantially in 15 minutes.
20:41:37 <KragenSitaker> oh, sorry, missed that
20:42:32 <[bjoern]> The event is important because it substantially shaped my home geographically, which the article actually points out "... forming the islands Nordstrand, Pellworm and several Halligen."
20:42:45 <[bjoern]> (also, 10 000 dead was a lot those days)
20:43:16 <KragenSitaker> aha, I see
20:43:54 <[bjoern]> I was mostly complaining because it is rather rare that the de.wp article is better than the en.wp one in my experience.
20:45:22 <[bjoern]> my home being around 54.728412,8.6941805
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20:58:46 <sbp> [bjoern]: 3.5 years
20:58:58 <[bjoern]> explain thy calcs!
20:59:10 <sbp> of non stop quite fast cycling
20:59:18 <sbp> I used the outer section of the B ring
20:59:25 <sbp> which is the closest to the Cassini Division
20:59:25 <[bjoern]> That's your fav?
20:59:47 <sbp> well... it was a toss up between that and the really thin outermost one
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20:59:52 <sbp> but that would take like ten years or something
21:00:02 <sbp> the F ring
21:00:09 <[bjoern]> Well I don't know about your cycling sk1llz
21:00:26 <sbp> so I used 117,500km from the centre of Saturn for the outer part of the B ring
21:00:34 <sbp> so that * 2 * pi for the diameter
21:00:40 <sbp> and then that / 15mph for cycling speed
21:00:40 <[bjoern]> I'm already amazed that you are not hindered by the whole gravity issue.
21:00:43 <sbp> which is fairly brisk
21:00:59 <[bjoern]> .calc 15mph in km/h
21:01:00 <phenny> [bjoern]: Sorry, can't calculate that.
21:01:02 <sbp> well the most difficult issue is that you can't actually cycle along the ring
21:01:10 <sbp> since it's lots of little bits of debris
21:01:11 <[bjoern]> .calc 15miles per hour in km/h
21:01:12 <phenny> [bjoern]: Sorry, can't calculate that.
21:01:17 <[bjoern]> oh fuck you google
21:01:18 <sbp> but I imagine you laid a magnetic track around it
21:01:23 <sbp> .c 15 mph in kph
21:01:24 <phenny> 15 mph = 24.14016 kph
21:01:57 <[bjoern]> .c 15 mi/h in km/h
21:01:57 <phenny> 15 mi/h = 24.14016 km/h
21:02:28 <[bjoern]> Why would I go to such lengths to let you cycle around saturn?
21:02:32 <sbp> F ring would take 4.15 years
21:02:40 <[bjoern]> hmm well I could do it for the lols, or you could trick me (not really).
21:02:53 <sbp> you know that I would fail
21:03:02 <[bjoern]> When was the last time you cycled non-stop for several years?
21:03:03 <sbp> also then they'd rename the B ring the Björn Ring
21:03:11 <[bjoern]> true
21:03:14 <sbp> haven't done that for quite a while I admit
21:03:19 <sbp> or what seemed like years at least
21:03:21 <[bjoern]> they'd misssssple the name though
21:04:08 <sbp> the F ring is probably the best
21:04:14 <sbp> but I can't check it out myself
21:04:17 <sbp> since it's foggy tonight
21:04:21 <sbp> and the rings are side on anyway
21:04:26 <sbp> next year they'll be a bit more askew
21:06:10 <[bjoern]> Perhaps we could trick them to do it with Saturn instead http://tinyurl.com/y6qh337
21:06:15 <sbp> Jibbler can cycle 50km/day easily
21:06:23 <sbp> so that would take 40 years for the outer B ring
21:06:31 <Jibbler> 100km
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21:06:45 <Jibbler> maybe not every day though :)
21:07:13 <[bjoern]> Depends on the saturn ring winds, and what boobs swing in front of you, perhaps.
21:07:33 <sbp> well you have to do it every day for 40 years
21:07:40 <sbp> in the vacuum of space
21:07:42 <sbp> on a magnetic track
21:07:46 <sbp> around the rings of Saturn
21:07:52 <sbp> so I think 50km is ample
21:08:33 <sbp> in a way, that's quite a distance
21:08:41 <sbp> but it's also comforting that technically, it seems possible
21:08:55 <[bjoern]> Actually, I'd also like to study the effects of moon posession on national glory.
21:09:08 <sbp> ask the current owners
21:09:13 <sbp> from the flags, I'd judge America
21:09:36 <sbp> because you know, they came in peace for all mankind that uses the stars and stripes
21:09:38 <[bjoern]> Capture the flag I have some experience in.
21:09:46 <sbp> me too...
21:09:58 <[bjoern]> I could also hire skilled flag burning experts.
21:10:05 <[bjoern]> Especially once I posess the moon.
21:10:44 <[bjoern]> Or saturn for that matter. Although I'd probably have to do something about earth's gravity to maintain the rings.
21:10:44 <clsn> Back in college I remember the Science Fiction society had this ongoing campaign/slogan of "Move New York to the Moon!"
21:11:03 <clsn> Not sure they ever managed to do it.
21:11:08 <sbp> hmm, that's one way to get rid of it
21:11:13 <sbp> move it to Moonhattan
21:11:54 <sbp> you have my permission to laugh, but it might not be good for your soul
21:13:13 * Arnia hands sbp the Book
21:13:18 <Arnia> that will solve that problem
21:14:32 <sbp> thanks!
21:14:44 <sbp> I might need to use it on The Times first
21:14:46 <sbp> "Into the making of her gown and veil went 25 yards of peau de soie, 25 yards of silk taffeta, 100 yards of silk net, and 300 yards of lace. These at any rate are the official Metro-Gondwyn-Mayer statistics."
21:14:50 <sbp> Gondwyn?
21:15:42 <Arnia> That famous Jewish dinosaur movie studio
21:15:43 <sbp> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JTPKWPsrf74/S8v7Xu4n9WI/AAAAAAAABHU/t_5x2uQAzcM/s400/cocoaine.jpg
21:15:47 <sbp> hehe
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21:36:12 * jessica is severely traumatised.
21:36:19 <jessica> sbp, have you ever heard the expression that pain shared is pain halved?
21:37:30 <jessica> http://www.lpsg.org/30730-doctor-who-has-biggest-cock.html
21:37:49 <jessica> "I'll sidestep the response as to which of the 10 Doctors has the largest cock, but I do remember the best crotch shot perhaps of all times in the series. It's a fifth Doctor episode - 'Planet of Fire' - which is the second to last episode with the fifth Doctor."
21:38:42 <Arnia> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8630592.stm
21:38:44 <phenny> Arnia: BBC News - Surgeon cut off testicle 'by mistake' at Bury hospital
21:38:51 <jessica> ...
21:38:56 <jessica> that's nearly as bad as my link.
21:48:22 <Arnia> More ash on its way apparently
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21:48:24 <Monty> Thank goodness, H0gan is back!
21:48:33 <H0gan> Agreed. Let normal service resume.
21:48:34 <Arnia> Now, if Katta goes we'll have fun :/
21:49:20 <clsn> How long you think Europe's going to put up with this ash before they get pissed and attack Iceland?
21:49:31 <clsn> s/pissed/pissed off/
21:49:33 <jessica> Ask Denmark.
21:50:07 <Arnia> Possibly both...
21:50:11 <Arnia> this is Europe after all
21:50:59 <Arnia> A tweet made me smile "Dear Iceland, we said send *cash*"
21:51:39 <Arnia> Good grief... I dislike this man more and more:
21:51:52 <Arnia> 'The Conservative leader, David Cameron, said: "I think it is right to get the Royal Navy involved. Theresa Villiers, my transport spokeswoman, suggested it and I am delighted the government have taken up the suggestion."'
21:52:51 <Arnia> even if true, making political capital out of a natural disaster (even when it hasn't claimed any lives as far as I know) seems cheap
21:53:09 <clsn> SEND THE MARINES!!!
21:53:38 <clsn> (yeah, what kind of pansy-ass natural disaster is this anyway, that isn't killing anybody?)
21:53:57 <Arnia> Very North European
21:55:10 * jessica rather liked a recent headline on Fark: Iceland has finished writing 'It's a bad idea to turn my entire country into a hedge fund' a thousand times on the chalkboard."
21:55:31 <jessica> clsn: these are fucking Vikings, man!
21:55:31 <Monty> potty mouth!
21:55:58 <Arnia> Not the ENTIRE country... they still have sheep
21:56:00 <Arnia> ... and some cod
21:56:09 <Arnia> (maybe we'll go to war with them again)
21:56:19 <jessica> So you're saying they're Scotsmen and they eat kippers?
21:56:21 <clsn> So I guess it would have killed lesser beings, but they're toughing it out?
21:57:59 <[bjoern]> .gc "look at the size of this"
21:57:59 <phenny> "look at the size of this": 2,340
21:58:24 <Arnia> .gs look at the size of this *
21:58:25 <phenny> Arnia: zit (6), snake (4), long legged kangal (4), croc (4), spider (3)
21:58:39 <Arnia> .gs look at the size of this long legged kangal *
21:58:40 <phenny> Arnia: (3)
21:59:07 <jessica> clsn: http://www.xtreme.is/safnahus/?p=200&s=743&i=975
21:59:20 <jessica> What I am saying is that they're completely and totally insane and proud of it, to a degree.
22:01:16 <jessica> http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/what-do-fishermen-and-investment-bankers-have-in-common/
22:01:23 <jessica> Icelanders love taking insane risks. In 1973, when a volcanic eruption threatened to wipe out a town on the island of Heimaey, they bet they could stop the lava flow by shooting it with millions of gallons of frigid Icelandic sea water.
22:01:24 <[bjoern]> nothing wrong with that
22:01:32 <jessica> So says ze German.
22:01:40 <jessica> The Auslander may disagree.
22:02:12 <[bjoern]> We do turn out to be right most of the time, so nothing wrong with that either.
22:02:31 <jessica> crschmidt looked up when I transmitted that to him via audio analog channel.
22:02:47 <Arnia> jessica: you mean speaking?
22:03:07 <jessica> His urge to survive as a husband apparently outweighed his pride as a Swabian.
22:03:11 <jessica> yes, that one, Arnia.
22:03:25 <Arnia> ah, how quaint
22:03:34 <Arnia> You should be more like the Warwicks...
22:03:38 <[bjoern]> Oral communication does has its benefits.
22:03:52 <[bjoern]> Although speech is kinda boring.
22:04:46 <Arnia> [bjoern]: do you have a dull voice?
22:05:05 <jessica> Oh my God, he *won't* stop trying to make his iPod touch interact with his Nokia N900.
22:05:43 <[bjoern]> Don't blame it on his german(e) genes.
22:06:00 <jessica> No, these are his nerd genes.
22:06:03 <Arnia> why does he want to do that?
22:06:13 <Arnia> what utility does it give him?
22:06:20 <[bjoern]> Because he had the idea to do it, and now can't stop it.
22:06:24 <[bjoern]> Go read up on geeks.
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22:07:24 <jessica> Also, ma belle-soeur has this thing where you pour catnip into a carton made of corrugated cardboard.
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22:07:45 <[bjoern]> You are just making that up
22:07:51 <jessica> This has the side effect of making every cat in the house now try every single bit of cardboard to see if it will make them high.
22:08:12 <jessica> Actually, I just had a piece of IKEA as-yet-unassembled furniture land on my foot.
22:08:22 <[bjoern]> They are following a greater plan you have yet to decipher.
22:08:29 <jessica> I kept on yelling at the cat, "IT'S AN IKEA BOX. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET HIGH."
22:08:42 <[bjoern]> "k"
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22:19:05 <Arnia> jessica: they might... if they find Swedish furniture psychoactive
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22:26:25 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's theresaanna!
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