00:27:28 <Arnia> [bjoern]: did you get my scripts working?
00:28:44 <[bjoern]> I coded what I wanted up with some XPath in JavaScript, and lost interest when it came to do some final polishing (display, sorting, and such)
00:29:12 <[bjoern]> (interest in the whole thing, that is)
00:29:56 <Arnia> ah
00:30:00 <Arnia> ok
00:30:12 <[bjoern]> I do have them stored up for next time though!
00:31:22 <Arnia> heh, don't worry about it
00:31:42 <Arnia> I've written an automator action now that does what cssextract2 does
00:32:23 <Arnia> only I can specify the structures I'm trying to extract using a GUI, which is far nicer
00:33:25 <[bjoern]> (well, I don't, I just store all my email :-) (or rather most, prior to december 2000 mails are $somewhere on backup dvds)
00:53:28 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=YAM_(Yet_Another_Mailer)&oldid=359590175 interesting pix choice
00:53:28 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
01:00:36 <[bjoern]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird too
01:34:06 <[bjoern]> .gc "least significant buts"
01:34:07 <phenny> "least significant buts": 2
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02:22:34 <Tene> .gc "least significant butts"
02:22:35 <phenny> "least significant butts": 0
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12:37:19 <nslater> yo
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12:51:09 <kpreid> phenny: ask Arnia if he'd be interested in offering an opinion on http://kpreid.livejournal.com/26067.html
12:51:09 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
12:51:12 <phenny> kpreid: 01 May 13:00Z <sbp> tell kpreid about http://groups.google.com/group/whits/t/3af4fe682836f2d3 — a speculative essay on how literate programming techniques could be improved. comments would be very much appreciated!
12:53:46 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp that code-documentation on the one hand needs a structure very unlike the code because else it is just // increment i, but on the other hand needs to be next to the code because else it will not be updated. I'm doubtful of literate programming in the sense of a-document-which-incorporates-the-code.
12:53:46 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
12:55:00 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp otoh, take a look at this: <http://codebubbles.org/> It is an IDE which, like them weird smalltalk folks, displays only single methods. but it displays *many* of them in contexts. what if the presentation of the code-documentation was hypertextual and the links were presented like this?
12:55:00 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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12:55:48 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp that is, when you bring up code the corresponding code-doc is always next to it, but that code-doc discusses more than just that one fragment and is equally bidi linked to all of them.
12:55:48 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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13:00:04 <sbp> .gc "Lor'Danel"
13:00:05 <phenny> "Lor'Danel": 1
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13:07:05 <[bjoern]> yip yip
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13:42:12 <[bjoern]> So how is the election going?
13:44:45 <BigJibby> have the riots started yet?
13:45:20 <[bjoern]> .gcs "british riots" "american riots" "greek riots" "german riots"
13:45:22 <phenny> "greek riots" (26,400), "american riots" (681), "british riots" (488), "german riots" (392)
13:46:59 <BigJibby> .gc "canadian riots"
13:46:59 <phenny> "canadian riots": 46
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14:03:48 <BigJibby> .gc "swhack riots"
14:03:48 <phenny> "swhack riots": 0
14:05:06 <BigJibby> .gc "peaceful riots"
14:05:06 <phenny> "peaceful riots": 59
14:05:58 <BigJibby> .gc "violent riots"
14:05:59 <phenny> "violent riots": 5,590
14:06:19 <BigJibby> .gc "gorilla riots"
14:06:20 <phenny> "gorilla riots": 1
14:06:24 <BigJibby> .g "gorilla riots"
14:06:24 <phenny> BigJibby: http://www.reddit.com/domain/modblog.bmezine.com
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14:40:52 <MoiraA> sbp hello!
14:40:55 <MoiraA> postcard arrive?
15:08:54 <[bjoern]> "China has seen a dramatic rise in cases of syphilis, as a result of rapid social change, US researchers say."
15:15:13 <sbp> MoiraA: yeah!
15:15:20 <sbp> MoiraA: thank you very much indeed!
15:17:16 <MoiraA> cool - they all arrived I think
15:18:01 <[bjoern]> Is there some time we should expect election results? It's customary here to get a propnosis 1800 (when voting is over, based on exit pools) and a first projection about 20 minutes later, but our voting system better supports that...
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16:00:16 <[bjoern]> deadnoralive: Wir wiesen wo dein Auto stehen.
16:01:14 <deadnoralive> Omg tell me, it was stolen a week ago...
16:01:55 <[bjoern]> Why, you never liked it much anyway.
16:04:17 <deadnoralive> What would you know? Did it cry about it?
16:04:32 <deadnoralive> I never hit it. Once. Not even once.
16:04:51 <[bjoern]> You never payed for it either.
16:05:17 <deadnoralive> A screw it, you can have it. I got a new car already. It's a bike.
16:05:54 <[bjoern]> .gc pedomobile
16:05:54 <phenny> pedomobile: 156
16:09:37 <deadnoralive> Ya, its only 4 years old.
16:11:21 <deadnoralive> Yday I compiled chromium 5.0.x on my netbook and its _really_ fast.
16:11:53 <deadnoralive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCgQDjiotG0
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17:23:02 <BigJibby> .t bst
17:23:02 <phenny> Thu, 06 May 2010 18:23:02 BST
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17:34:15 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.flickr.com/photos/winterj/4501585188/
17:34:15 <phenny> [bjoern]: After reading 92 pages of the iTunes TOS, I was able to, with a clear conscious, continue downloading my app. #fb on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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18:03:36 <[bjoern]> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sexual_content
18:05:42 <sbp> —
18:05:43 <sbp> In the past we have had a problem with images being placed into inappropriate categories, so that viewers were exposed in unexpected ways to sexual content. Image categorization should be done in such a way that readers are not exposed unexpectedly to content that may be offensive. (Editing note from Jimbo so you have an idea what I'm driving at here... this is an example - this image used to be in Category:People eating)
18:05:43 <sbp> —
18:06:38 <[bjoern]> which is accurate.
18:07:34 <sbp> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Angelina_Ash_4.jpg
18:07:35 <sbp> pretty funny
18:08:57 <BigJibby> .head www.reddit.com server
18:08:57 <phenny> server: '; DROP TABLE servertypes; --
18:10:39 <sbp> haha
18:15:00 <[bjoern]> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&offset=20100505184846&target=CommonsDelinker
18:15:32 *** sbp changed the topic to: "(Removing "Wax_and_Pins_on_Nipples_edited-1.png", it has been deleted from Commons by Fran Rogers because: Out of project scope.)"
18:16:27 <BigJibby> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_roleplay
18:17:07 <[bjoern]> You'd think images for use in Wikipedia articles might have been in scope.
18:17:30 <[bjoern]> Funny thing there is also you cannot simply move the images from commons to wikipedia
18:17:31 <sbp> oughtn't she to be on all fours?
18:19:24 * jessica raises an eyebrow.
18:19:34 <jessica> Seems lively among you gentlemen this fine afternoon.
18:20:18 <sbp> well it's election day
18:20:33 <jessica> Who does it look like will get in?
18:20:38 <BigJibby> depends if you like bipeds or quadrupeds, sbp
18:20:39 <sbp> also, hello
18:20:48 <jessica> hello, guv'nor.
18:20:48 <sbp> at the moment we don't really know
18:20:55 <sbp> so it's one of the more interesting ones, if you can call it that
18:21:03 * jessica nods.
18:21:16 <sbp> PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED:
18:21:17 <sbp> Arnia
18:21:18 <sbp> sbp
18:21:23 <sbp> PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROBABLY VOTED:
18:21:24 <sbp> nsh
18:21:27 <jessica> I know of the chaos that several among my acquaintance have threatened mayhem if the Tories get in.
18:21:28 <sbp> PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT VOTED:
18:21:32 <sbp> eh, I won't out them
18:21:44 <jessica> Which seems bloody stupid to this American â really.
18:22:00 <sbp> oddly enough, the Tories threatened mayhem if they *don't* get in
18:22:23 <jessica> Because rioting on Tories' getting in will attract some political ativists and a bunch of ASBO teens, leaving the way clear for a "we need more strict governance to allow safety in this society" from the Tories.
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18:22:52 <sbp> well, that wouldn't happen
18:22:57 <sbp> people are too lazy these days
18:23:04 <sbp> in the punk era there was a lot of that
18:23:12 <BigJibby> I HAVE NOT VOTED
18:23:32 <BigJibby> oops, wrong country
18:23:33 <jessica> A few retail politics visiting districts and shaking heads mournfully at broken shop windows and speaking of how these people have suffered enough as it is, barely able to keep their shops open during this time of global recession, and now ungovernable teens are destroying them.
18:23:35 <sbp> also, I was saying that the biped should rp being a quad because of the context
18:23:54 <jessica> sbp: what the fuck, do they smash windows and act like punks in their imagination?
18:24:09 <sbp> no, they play violent computer games
18:24:15 <jessica> I bet they're rogues on WoW.
18:24:31 <sbp> more likely warrior twinks, but yeah
18:24:56 <jessica> oooh.
18:24:59 <jessica> warrior twinks.
18:25:07 <jessica> Has craigslist culture really taken hold there?
18:25:12 <sbp> you're probably thinking of the wrong kind of twink right now
18:25:34 <BigJibby> .wn twink
18:25:45 <jessica> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/cas?query=twink 6 hits.
18:25:50 <BigJibby> .dict twink
18:25:51 <phenny> BigJibby: Sorry, no definition found.
18:26:12 <BigJibby> is it like a twinkie?
18:26:16 <jessica> An attractive, boyish-looking, young gay man. The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at 10:00 AM, and is not particularly intelligent. A twink is the gay answer to the blonde bimbo cheerleader.
18:26:20 <jessica> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink
18:26:29 <jessica> how can you spend years on the internet without knowledge of urban dictionary?
18:26:32 <sbp> yeah, that's the wrong twink
18:26:48 <sbp> see sense two on urbandictionary
18:26:57 <jessica> In an MMORPG, a veteran player who makes a new character and gives a bunch of top-shelf equipment from their older, maxed-out characters to the new character. ?
18:27:03 <sbp> yes, though it's not quite accurate
18:27:13 <jessica> Can't we just refer to it as "sugar daddy" to keep me from getting confused?
18:27:20 <sbp> in warcraft, at least, it's based on fucking with level brackets
18:27:32 <jessica> If that has another meaning in English slang, maybe "Silvio Berlusconi" could be used to describe the behaviour.
18:28:59 <jessica> Well, there are nine pages of definitions on urban dictionary.
18:29:06 <jessica> feel free to point me to the right one.
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18:29:15 <jessica> I think you may be thinking use case 35 is the correct one.
18:29:50 <sbp> not worth defining here in too much technical accuracy I suspect :-)
18:30:13 <tommorris> any IRC bot authors know what the maximum amount of time one should use on Freenode between posts to not flood?
18:30:31 * tommorris figured that here may be the best place to ask. ;)
18:30:33 <sbp> tommorris: nope. I asked once
18:30:39 <sbp> and they told me to fuck off, trade secrets
18:30:43 <Arnia> Surely minimum?
18:30:47 <sbp> some complete asshat, I've forgotten his name now
18:30:53 <tommorris> yes, minimum
18:30:59 <sbp> Andrew Silverman or something
18:31:17 <sbp> hmm. I think his initials are ajs at least
18:31:18 <tommorris> I'm piping Twitter into #ge2010 channel and my backlog queue is getting ridiculous.
18:31:24 <sbp> anyway, I think it changed since then
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18:31:41 <sbp> I think one per second is too much
18:31:48 <sbp> as far as I recall, znc uses one per two seconds
18:31:52 <Arnia> So, what are the odds on Bercow being unseated atm?
18:31:59 <sbp> can't remember what phenny uses, but it doesn't get flooded
18:32:05 <sbp> see the code for details, that's all I would do
18:32:15 <sbp> tommorris: I meant to send you an email about something the other day
18:32:19 <sbp> but I can't remember what
18:32:22 <tommorris> was using 1 msg every 2 seconds, now dropped down to one per second
18:32:26 <sbp> it was some really annoying thing I knew you'd be annoyed about too
18:32:36 <sbp> and I wanted you to inject a dose of your vitriol into it
18:32:39 <sbp> but can't remember what, oh well
18:32:54 * tommorris notes that his vitriol is available upon demand
18:33:14 <tommorris> at a low, low price
18:33:27 <tommorris> unfortunately, out-of-stock due to magical compiler errors today
18:33:56 * tommorris grabs bazooka and takes aim at crap dependency injection crapness
18:34:27 * Arnia restricts tommorris monomorphically
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18:36:11 <Arnia> Who can recommend a GE2010 drink?
18:36:51 <Arnia> I need something suitable to block out any possible result
18:37:06 <jessica> Cheap cider.
18:37:13 <jessica> Drunken under a highway overpass.
18:37:19 <Arnia> Too linden
18:37:22 <tommorris> Gin, codeine, ketamine and pineapple juice => Election Blindsider
18:37:26 <Arnia> Uh, lib dem
18:37:38 <Arnia> Damn iPhone autocorrect
18:38:09 <tommorris> I cursed when the iPhone spellchecker refused to accept that 'nomic' is a word.
18:38:23 <Arnia> Ketamine is supposed to be good for RSD
18:38:31 <jessica> "Take the juice from one bottle of that Ol' Janx Spirit. Pour into it one measure of water from the seas of Santraginus V Allow three cubes of Arcturan Mega-gin to melt into the mixture (it must be properly iced or the benzene is lost). Allow four litres of Fallian marsh gas to bubble through it (in
18:38:36 <jessica> memory of all those happy Hikers who have died of pleasure in the Marshes of Fallia). Over the back of a silver spoon float a measure of Qualactin Hypermint extract, redolent of all the heady odours of the dark Qualactin Zones. Drop in the tooth of an Algolian Suntiger. Watch it dissolve, spreading
18:38:41 <jessica> the fires of the Algolian suns deep into the heart of the drink. Sprinkle Zamphour. Add an olive. Drink...but very carefully."
18:38:46 <Arnia> Reading and reading is mine
18:38:54 <tommorris> yes, that is quite irritating.
18:39:07 <Arnia> jessi there is a drink in Durham like that
18:39:22 <jessica> Everyone's tried to make their own Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
18:39:28 <Arnia> jessica: It is called a snotrocket.
18:39:36 <tommorris> On my non-iPhone phone, the T9 dictionary seems to prefer "ow" to "my". I wrote an angry tweet about Mrs Thatcher and it turned out to say "ow generation got fucked over by Mrs Thatcher" or something to that effect.
18:39:38 <jessica> But as the late Mr. Adams commented, "there are a number of environmental and weapons treaties, as well as laws of physics, which prevent the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster from being mixed on Earth."
18:39:48 <Arnia> Well, at least it has a similar effect
18:40:05 <tommorris> What the fuck? en.wikipedia.org is timing out on me.
18:40:28 <Arnia> E_GE?
18:41:40 <tommorris> "Glad to see We♥Miley is trending higher than #GE2010. It appears to be a question of priorities."
18:42:11 <Arnia> Ok, turnout estimates then
18:42:26 <Arnia> I reckon 64%
18:43:22 <tommorris> +3-7%points over 2005.
18:43:46 <tommorris> 61.4% in 2005, 59.4% in 2001.
18:46:14 <Arnia> Hmm
18:46:26 <Arnia> Always with numbers
18:46:47 * Arnia hangs tommorris by his parliament
18:48:05 <tommorris> my only subjective inkling is that in the ten minutes I was near the polling station, I saw more young people going to vote than usual. I'm guessing they are probably there for LDs
18:48:37 <Arnia> Damn PR
18:49:08 * tommorris was a cynical and jaded LibDem voter long before television created Cleggmania.
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18:52:18 <Arnia> The other PR
18:52:23 <tommorris> Oh, that.
18:52:39 <nsh> Arnia, gotta be over 70%
18:53:43 <Arnia> Only two hours to go
18:54:20 <tommorris> I don't think in my constituency people were necessarily voting LD for PR. Safe Tory seat, with LibDems 15 points behind - if you are on the left and have a preference for a leftish party, LD is a saner choice here than Lab or Green or whatever.
18:54:26 <sbp> I'll go for over 70% too
18:54:27 <Arnia> I'm on canal st getting some fortitude gathered for the night
18:58:17 <archels> Don't suppose there's any coverage on BBC1 or 2 (all I can receive here)?
18:58:44 <Arnia> Yes. 21.55 BST BBC One
18:59:01 <archels> oh, thanks
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19:03:25 <tommorris> Arnia: on the drinks front, if you are on the left you could always have a Champagne Socialist. Which is basically just champagne + the feeling of the Tories not winning.
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19:04:35 <jessica> ah, the british pastime of understatement.
19:04:45 <jessica> A British schoolteacher who attacked a 14-year-old student with a barbell while making a âlow-level howling noiseâ and shouting âdie, die, dieâ was described by a colleague as âdetached from reality.â
19:09:54 <sbp> sounds pretty attached to the modern reality of state schools to me
19:10:44 <tommorris> I attempted to explain the Key Skills Qualification to my brother today. He was very sceptical that anyone could be so stupid as to believe it a sensible way to teach people anything.
19:12:42 <tommorris> Basically, you have a qualification that is only taken by people who have got A's and B's in the relevant subject at GCSE but who aren't doing it at A-level. If you get a C at GCSE in, say, maths, you aren't eligible to take the higher-level qualification, and your GCSE exempts you from taking the lower-level qualification.
19:13:09 <tommorris> End result: if (gcse_result == good) { take_pointless_test } else { !take_pointless_test }
19:13:17 <tommorris> which kinda seems broken
19:16:31 <sbp> well how else are you going to prove that your GCSE results weren't complete flukes!
19:16:34 <sbp> oh, right, A-Levels...
19:16:53 * tommorris is using a library written by a non-native English speaker. It defines a method titled "insert_rear"
19:17:38 <sbp> haha
19:18:14 <tommorris> it is a dequeue implementation. I'm tempted to just s/rear/end/g
19:20:06 <clsn> Oh, that's how we remembered the terminology for queues in the first place: you insert at the rear.
19:20:22 * tommorris is using crappy Ruby dequeue implementation so that tweets from official sources (BBC etc.) get shoved on the front.
19:20:45 <[bjoern]> I hear, thanks to recent publicity, the bigots are leading in the polls.
19:21:46 * clsn wonders if there are monogots as well as bigots.
19:21:50 <clsn> .ety bigot
19:21:50 <phenny> "1590s, from Fr. bigot (12c.), in O.Fr. 'sanctimonious;' supposedly a derogatory name for Normans, the old theory (not universally accepted) being that it springs from their frequent use of O.E. oath bi God." - http://etymonline.com/?term=bigot
19:23:11 <tommorris> NO FUCK YOU I AIN'T NO PONCY FROG-EATING DERIVED-FROM-FRENCH-ETYMOLOGY BIGOT, I'M A REAL ENGLISH FUCKING BNP BASTARD.
19:24:18 <tommorris> I find it very puzzling that nationalists get together with nationalists from other countries and celebrate the international spirit of hating people.
19:25:10 <tommorris> If you are an English nationalist and you have more in common with American or Italian or German nationalists than you do with your fellow Englishmen, that rather pours cold water on the nationalism thing, no?
19:25:56 <clsn> STOP TRYING TO CONFUSE ME!!!
19:27:08 <tommorris> ah, peace, the #ge2010 queue has reached equilibrium.
19:27:09 <clsn> (I don't even actually know the politics involved in today's election anyway; I'm American. We think other countries' politics is kind of like who's running for president of the sixth grade.)
19:27:24 <[bjoern]> My usual advice is to get a head in the poll.
19:28:07 <JimJibber> I don't think it's unsurprising that nationalists feel an affinity with different countries nationalists. What's relevant to them is the core of their belief, and the belief is that your tribe is best is one you can share with other people, even if your tribes are different.
19:28:13 <BigJibby> you're always thinking with your penis, [bjoern]
19:28:30 <[bjoern]> Use what works.
19:28:39 <tommorris> Very simple: Labour Party = right-of-centre Democrats, Conservatives = Republicans, Lib Dems = left-wing Democrats.
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19:29:15 <JimJibber> erm not really tommorris UKIP would be Republicans
19:29:33 <tommorris> yeah, well, in FPTP, nobody gives a shit about UKIP.
19:29:41 <JimJibber> then the con and lab fight over the right of centre democrats
19:29:48 <clsn> which ones are widely held to be the morons by the present company?
19:30:17 <tommorris> Like with US politics, they are all bastards. ;)
19:30:35 <JimJibber> s/US//
19:30:49 <clsn> Well, yeah; without bastards, how would we get anything done/
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19:31:26 <tommorris> Also like US politics, we have a byzantine and unpopular electoral system.
19:31:56 <tommorris> Which most people - Arnia excluded(?) - want to change but we can't change because it would seem like certain people would benefit out of it.
19:32:57 <tommorris> And now we have televised presidential-style debates, fifty years after JFK-Nixon. Which means we spend lots more time worried about how their hair and ties look and less time on what is coming out of their mouth.
19:33:39 <sbp> which is fine because nothing of value was coming out anyway
19:34:04 <sbp> if we learned anything from debill, it's that even supposedly intelligent people don't actually have the first clue about parliamentary procedure
19:34:13 <sbp> I think that would be a nice way to fix it
19:34:24 <sbp> force anyone who wants to vote to actually watch even an hour or so of UK Parliament
19:34:33 <sbp> er, of BBC Parliament
19:35:12 <tommorris> Or, indeed, read Hansard.
19:35:57 <tommorris> You never know, they may indeed be doing that now in Citizenship classes.
19:37:17 <sbp> heh!
19:37:40 <JimJibber> I don't want to change the election system
19:37:54 <JimJibber> I'd like some boundary changes so they're more evenly sized.
19:37:56 <sbp> you wouldn't even have more polling stations in pubs, Jim?
19:38:51 <JimJibber> Nah, keep them in schools so the kids get a day off!
19:39:09 <tommorris> I reckon some form of PR will be inevitable, if only because people are getting used to it in the Euro elections.
19:40:20 <JimJibber> no-one gives a shit about Euro elections, so I'm not sure how people are really getting used to it.
19:41:46 <tommorris> Eventually people will say "well, how come we can vote this way in Europe (and, indeed, in Welsh Assembly, Scottish Parliament and NI Assembly), but we can't for the G.E.?"
19:42:48 <JimJibber> You're assuming people think it's in some way better - as opposed to just different?
19:42:50 <tommorris> Yeah, 2009 EuroParl turnout = 34.7%
19:44:07 <tommorris> Well, yes, they would have to think it is better - but a few decades of people voting in European and regional elections using a PR-based system would dispel the "woah, it's too radical a move for our delicate unwritten constitution" arguments.
19:45:40 <JimJibber> You don't think having it associated with even more disfunctional institutions would make people look even more negative on it?
19:46:11 <tommorris> More dysfunctional than Westminster? Unpossible! ;)
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20:44:20 <[bjoern]> "The former chief executive of the collapsed Icelandic bank Kaupthing has been arrested, authorities say"
20:51:55 <nslater> yo!
20:56:28 <BigJibby> that's not even a word. just a sound :/
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21:11:10 <sbp> wow, BBC, ITV, and Sky all predict hung parliament
21:11:15 <sbp> based on exit polls
21:11:46 <sbp> Conservatives in exit polls on 307 seats, post is 326
21:11:55 <sbp> gotta be a damn close one this
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21:12:56 <sbp> http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/sci_nat/10/neanderthal/img/neanderthals_786.gif
21:13:50 <sbp> oh goodness, they also say a labour + lib coalition would not be a majority
21:13:56 <sbp> the lib dems are actually predicted to lose seats
21:15:44 <sbp> " In Sutton Coldfield, in the West Midlands, our reporter says there were plans to lock voters inside the Mere Green Polling Station at 10pm as the queues were so long. This is on the basis that anyone who turned up before 10pm was entitled to vote even if they were stuck in a queue" (BBC)
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21:19:04 <sbp> man, the amount of spin both ways is already quite intense
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21:25:02 <[bjoern]> Fitting, considering the progress they are making.
21:25:16 <sbp> indeeds
21:25:42 <sbp> "an angry woman has just pulled up in her car saying that queues of people have been turned away from nearby polling stations at 10pm"
21:25:51 <sbp> so she went at shouted at Nick Clegg's home
21:25:54 <sbp> which is *hilarious*
21:26:20 * deltab watches Charlie Brooker on 4
21:28:03 <sbp> apparently loads and loads of people are having problems
21:28:11 <sbp> with the polling stations closing at 10pm
21:28:20 <sbp> even though everybody, EVERYBODY, knows they close at 10pm
21:29:04 <[bjoern]> I didn't, until earlier today.
21:29:37 <sbp> so even you know
21:29:39 <sbp> everybody knows!
21:30:10 <[bjoern]> I not only know it, I actively disapprove of it.
21:30:22 <sbp> I love that Nick Griffin is standing in Barking
21:30:28 <sbp> I know this has been commented on many times before
21:31:07 * libby watching ch4 too
21:31:10 <sbp> phenny: tell Arnia 'When asked by Jeremy Paxman on BBC One how he'd feel about Labour doing a deal with the Lib Dems to stay in power, Lord Mandelson says "I have no problem in principle".' - but exit polls predict a labour + liberal coalition would not have a majority
21:31:11 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when Arnia is around.
21:31:15 <[bjoern]> "U.S. stocks plunged late Thursday, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average falling nearly 1,000 points as panic took hold."
21:31:21 <libby> charlie brooker;s normally worth it
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21:31:24 <sbp> yeah, I think Channel 4 is the only sensible choice this evening
21:31:39 <libby> what's with the panic? is it the bill going through congress?
21:31:57 <sbp> they're scared that democracy is happening in the UK
21:32:12 <[bjoern]> Greece
21:32:31 <libby> but why now? isn;t it sorted-ish?
21:32:40 * libby is a bit out touch after being in .nl
21:33:31 <[bjoern]> I just read the lead there.
21:33:45 <sbp> 'Former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan says he doesn't believe the poll because he can't believe the Lib Dems have "gone down".'
21:34:20 <sbp> come on Sunderland, hurry it up already
21:36:59 <jessica> phenny, tell xover to read this piece and, if necessary, I'll do an appropriate audio transcription: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2010/1/29geirsson.html
21:36:59 <phenny> jessica: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
21:37:59 <jessica> phenny, tell xover that it is a rare privilege to be able to hear me not only admit I know accents other than cultured Boston Brahmin, but to play the full-on Boondock Saints/Good Will Hunting one, which I spoke for years to communicate with my first husband.
21:37:59 <phenny> jessica: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
21:40:08 <[bjoern]> "The counting is absolutely frantic in the Sunderland constituency of Houghton South, which holds the record for the fastest declaration. Officials there were trying to beat last year's time of 2242" -- ha, record here is under a minute.
21:40:10 <[bjoern]> .wik Gröde
21:40:10 <phenny> "Gröde (Danish: Grøde, North Frisian Groue) is a municipality in the district of Nordfriesland, in Schleswig-Holstein, Germany." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gröde
21:40:16 <[bjoern]> They can count real fast over there.
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21:42:08 <sbp> wow
21:42:18 <sbp> in Sheffield the police have been called in to shift voters
21:42:27 <sbp> because they're not moving from the polling stations
21:42:44 <sbp> that's where the Nick Clegg shouting story happened by the way
21:42:50 <[bjoern]> That's good stuff usually to contest elections...
21:42:56 <sbp> yeah, they're already saying that
21:43:16 <[bjoern]> Of course, sucessfully contesting elections is rather rare.
21:43:31 <JimJibber> okay, that bot was annoying
21:43:34 <sbp> yeah, you're already saying that
21:43:50 <sbp> which bot?
21:44:03 <[bjoern]> .wik Swingometer
21:44:04 <phenny> "The swingometer is a graphics device that shows the swing from one party to another on British election results programmes." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swingometer
21:44:14 <sbp> there's a lot of chatter about a labour + liberal coalition
21:44:20 <sbp> which is weird given the exit polls
21:44:27 <sbp> but nobody believes the liberal aspect of the exit polls
21:44:28 <sbp> so...
21:44:42 <sbp> guess Sunderland failed then?
21:44:54 <[bjoern]> Only someone with middle east special envoyish experience could head such a coalition.
21:47:08 <sbp> he'd need to be a fine war criminal to boot
21:50:09 * jessica tries to picture Masada going on in the U.K. and is having some issues with it.
21:51:31 <[bjoern]> results for sun south
21:51:59 <sbp> link?
21:52:12 <[bjoern]> BBC News live
21:52:25 * [bjoern] watching http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/liveevent/
21:52:45 <sbp> Labour
21:54:18 <jessica> Has anyone yelled at the Judean People's Front yet?
21:56:17 <sbp> "Conservative leader David Cameron might find that winning one or two seats in Northern Ireland and forming a deal with the Democratic Unionist Party might be enough to give him a majority, making him Britain's next prime minister"
21:56:44 <[bjoern]> There was a group of people from the People's Front of Judea earlier, they might have.
21:59:37 <sbp> hmm. comparison between exit poll and vote indicates larger conservative swing than predicted
22:01:09 <[bjoern]> "According to multiple sources, a trader entered a "b" for billion instead of an "m" for million in a trade possibly involving Procter & Gamble" - http://www.cnbc.com/id/36999483
22:01:21 <sbp> hehe
22:04:01 <tommorris> sounds like a perfect example for a visual smell check - i.e. some graphical representation showing the actual value of the shares (say) vs. what you are bidding on them.
22:04:24 <tommorris> or even better, if you are about to enter 'billions', Carl Sagan would pop up on screen and say 'Billions and billions!'
22:04:33 <sbp> I'd vote for an actual smell
22:07:33 <libby> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/api/general-election/2010/results/json
22:08:20 <sbp> Paddy Ashdown and Neil Kinnock saying lib dem exit poll results almost certainly wrong
22:09:31 <sbp> man, Sunderland South really caned everyone else
22:10:44 <[bjoern]> By now we'd have party leaders sitting in a studio discussing the result which would have been rather firmly established.
22:11:05 <sbp> yeah
22:11:09 <sbp> but how exciting would that be?
22:11:17 <jeanniecool> Penis?
22:13:24 <sbp> surely not
22:15:40 <[bjoern]> I don't know. I also don't know why Terry Wogan isn't covering the election.
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22:16:38 <sbp> Sir Terry Wogan
22:16:52 <sbp> and anyway it would be Graham Norton now
22:17:16 <[bjoern]> Yeah but then I'd know what's not exciting.
22:17:31 <sbp> yep
22:20:52 <libby> yeah
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22:23:02 <sbp> Sunderland West soon
22:24:09 <jeanniecool> You sure,
22:24:12 <jeanniecool> SeanB?
22:24:23 <jeanniecool> Penis is, at least, sometimes exciting.
22:25:37 <[bjoern]> now
22:25:59 <jeanniecool> well, I don't have one nearby *now*.
22:26:17 <sbp> listening to Sunderland West
22:26:33 <sbp> Labour landslide there
22:26:35 <jeanniecool> Is that a sport's team, SeanB?
22:26:36 <sbp> sure it was expected
22:26:44 <sbp> more of an election term!
22:27:24 <jeanniecool> Oh.
22:27:24 <sbp> BNP got about as many as UKIP
22:27:26 <sbp> but a lot more boos
22:27:28 <[bjoern]> "The BBC is beaming the election results live onto the side of St Stephen's Tower in central London - better known to most of us as Big Ben. If you're out and about in the capital, take a look."
22:27:50 <[bjoern]> turnout 54%
22:29:08 <sbp> they're saying conservative swing is massive compared to the exit poll
22:29:14 <sbp> largest swing since the war, 11%
22:29:23 <sbp> largest swing since 1945 if repeated across the country
22:29:32 <[bjoern]> Wasn't it 11% this swing, and if repeated it would be the largest?
22:29:41 <[bjoern]> did not hear them saying what the largest swing was
22:30:37 <sbp> yeah, that's what I was trying to say
22:30:42 <sbp> in my fragmentary, reportative way
22:30:43 <[bjoern]> right
22:32:05 <sbp> what with that and the liberal component, it does sound as though the exit polls are quite badly wrong
22:40:42 <[bjoern]> sun central^
22:43:24 <tav> sbp: yeah, not sure what to make of the exit polls — seems something is totally out of whack!
22:51:13 <MoiraA> sbp: Sunderland West? predictable
22:51:22 * MoiraA lives near there
22:51:25 <MoiraA> relatively
22:51:41 <MoiraA> I'm around the area where they really did vote a Monkey in as Major some years ago
22:52:04 <sbp> ...chuckle
22:52:10 <libby> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYIKF1wuyE farrage....
22:53:29 <[bjoern]> .title
22:53:30 <phenny> [bjoern]: YouTube - Auto-Tune the News #11: Pure Poppycock. (ft. Joel Madden)
22:59:09 * tommorris has had to enforce special measures on the #ge2010 stream - filtering out LOL OMG WTF ROFL LMAO STFU.
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23:01:28 <sbp> I'd add "Paxman"
23:02:27 <sbp> man, they have a virtual inside-10-Downing-Street
23:02:29 <tommorris> /(lol|omg|wtf|ftw|luv|xo|yr|wit\W|\Wur\W|btw|rofl|lmao|stfu)/
23:03:12 <[bjoern]> I am excited how boring election coverage can be.
23:03:48 <[bjoern]> '"As I eventually got to the table a student was almost in tears as she thought I was going to take her place and she told me she had queued for two and a half hours!"'
23:04:21 <sbp> saying coalitions rare, only one in 100 years
23:04:35 <sbp> whereas minority government has about ten examples overall in 100 years
23:05:45 <sbp> "The Queen is like Heineken lager in our constitution, she reaches parts that others don't reach."
23:05:53 <sbp> (BBC)
23:05:57 <jsled> damn, you beat me to it
23:06:11 <jeanniecool> TWSS!
23:06:26 <jsled> and I thought you all had better news coverage than we did.
23:06:56 <[bjoern]> We do, sad as that would seem.
23:07:05 <jsled> heheh
23:07:40 <[bjoern]> "Nasdaq Operations said it will cancel all trades executed between 2:40 p.m. to 3 p.m. showing a rise or fall of more than 60 percent from the last trade in that security at 2:40 p.m or immediately prior."
23:08:04 <jsled> about P&G specifically?
23:08:17 <[bjoern]> Just know what's on http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6456QB20100506?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
23:09:08 <sbp> "There are also reports that some failed voters in Sheffield are blocking roads around polling stations to stop ballot boxes being removed."
23:10:27 <[bjoern]> .title http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/05/dreams.psychology/
23:10:27 <phenny> [bjoern]: Dreams about taking exam, being naked -- what they mean - CNN.com
23:28:01 <MoiraA> "failed voters"
23:28:06 <MoiraA> what are failed voters?
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23:33:08 <jsled> perhaps rejected voters?
23:34:18 <jsled> I was underwhelmed by the complaints of the woman (via http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/liveevent/) who went past the polling place 3 times, seeing the queue each time, and then only decided to get in line after the 3rd time.
23:35:11 <jsled> What did you think was going to happen?
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23:36:34 <jsled> Of course, on principle, that anyone who wants to vote isn't allowed is ridiculous. But it's not expected to be open-ended voting.
23:37:15 <JimJibber> do wonder how motivated you are to vote if you're only doing it at 9:30pm, if you're that short on time, get a postal one!
23:38:46 <libby> jimjibber!!!
23:38:53 <JimJibber> Libby!
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23:47:49 <tommorris> Don't understand why they don't do, say, Friday and Saturday for voting.
23:48:53 <[bjoern]> Well some countries don't want the "working class" to vote too much, so doing it on workdays, ideally during working hours only, is one method there.
23:48:56 <[bjoern]> We do sundays. Works well...
23:49:37 <[bjoern]> So Belfast East is libdem I take it.
23:49:52 <JimJibber> no
23:49:53 <[bjoern]> "It almost wipes out our swingometer"
23:50:07 <JimJibber> different parties in NI
23:51:08 <[bjoern]> I see, good job then on the color coding. Then of course I'm busy eating and didn't pay attention really.
23:56:00 <[bjoern]> Thornbury & Yate is the libdem one then
23:57:09 <JimJibber> yep, just ignore the colours if it's in NI
23:57:11 <tommorris> And here's to Mrs. Robinson. Jesus loves you more than you will know. Woah, woah, woah, (clonk) what are you doing with that boy? Heaven holds a place for those who pray, but not *prey*.
23:58:03 <[bjoern]> So, you voted pirate party?
23:58:20 <tommorris> Who, moi?
23:58:40 <tommorris> LibDem here.
23:58:56 <[bjoern]> Well you do soung like you've enjoyed some grog...
23:59:17 <tommorris> If only. I've been faffing around with Ruby all evening.
23:59:33 <[bjoern]> Ah, that has similar effects, yes
