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01:38:39 <jeanniecool> ...Penis?
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12:46:33 <[bjoern]> nub nub
12:53:35 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp If this is not hilarious news, you don't know what is. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899835,00.html
12:53:35 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
13:14:22 <[bjoern]> .o wa days since 1st january 1 AD
13:14:27 <phenny> days since Monday, January 1, 1 AD (extrapolated Gregorian calendar);733929 days;2009 years 5 months 6 days;104847 weeks;2009.43 years
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15:27:32 <Morbus> # prepping for wwdc keynote.
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16:02:12 <xover> .t PST
16:02:13 <phenny> Mon, 07 Jun 2010 08:02:12 PST
16:02:24 <xover> .t PDT
16:02:24 <phenny> Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:02:24 PDT
16:02:26 <xover> ah
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16:41:53 <Morbus> sbp: do we have a list of sites yet?
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16:46:13 <sbp> not yet, lemme lock
16:46:15 <sbp> er, look
16:47:20 <Morbus> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
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16:47:43 * Morbus waves to litwol.
16:47:44 * litwol waves @everyone
16:47:53 <Morbus> swhack is logged, in case you've forgotten.
16:47:56 <sbp> http://live.gizmodo.com/
16:48:05 <sbp> http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010/
16:48:05 <litwol> i will keep my yapping to a minnimum
16:48:13 <Morbus> yap away.
16:48:24 <litwol> thx. but i have other reasons ;)
16:48:25 <Morbus> treat swhack like you'd treat facebook.
16:48:26 * Morbus grins.
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16:48:43 <sbp> aaand, http://live.gdgt.com/2010/06/07/live-wwdc-2010-keynote-coverage/
16:48:51 <xover> Treat #swhack as you'd treat your local sports bar, only with less sports.
16:48:52 <sbp> those three were the best for the tablet coverage, I believe
16:49:03 <litwol> i want to see iphone 4g being showcased and shipment date announced
16:49:05 <Morbus> sbp: you mean, the Talk That Had Achievements In It?
16:49:23 <xover_> testing
16:49:26 <litwol> then i wait for my att contract to expire and will then decide to either abandon ship or stick with new g4 model
16:49:36 <[bjoern]> I did nothing to deserve another Apple conference.
16:49:53 <xover_> Wow, this is creepy. Debug build has no text input box, but the NSTextField is apprently there since I can insert text here.
16:50:19 <jeanniecool> Penis?
16:50:33 <litwol> do they have live video streaming of this stuff ?
16:50:35 <sbp> wow, Chen is there
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16:56:48 * xover puts in a HighHopesFor vote for XCode 4…
16:57:00 <litwol> dashcode++
16:57:08 <litwol> ++ == hopes
16:58:24 <xover> A new Mac mini with an SSD option would also be nice.
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16:59:13 *** sbp changed the topic to: "WWDC: (1) http://live.gdgt.com/2010/06/07/live-wwdc-2010-keynote-coverage/ (2) http://live.gizmodo.com/ (3) http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010/?sort=newest&refresh=60"
17:00:06 <Morbus> tz
17:00:11 <Morbus> tz PDT
17:00:18 <Morbus> bleh. no druplicon. heh.
17:00:19 <xover> .t PDT
17:00:19 <phenny> Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:00:19 PDT
17:00:50 <nslater> sbp: how long is this likely to last?
17:00:55 <Morbus> "What a Wonderful World" playing
17:00:59 <Morbus> an hour.
17:01:06 <Morbus> 1:00
17:01:06 <Morbus> Room darkening, more applause
17:01:08 <nslater> video feed?
17:01:12 <Morbus> never.
17:01:12 <xover> ~2h, max. Prolly more like... yeah.
17:01:21 <Morbus> only after the event.
17:01:21 * jeanniecool pokes at SeanB
17:01:23 <nslater> ARGH
17:01:26 <nslater> well thats crapola
17:01:34 <Morbus> 10:01 am Standing ovation.
17:01:34 <Morbus> 10:01 am Massive applause as Steve Jobs takes the stage.
17:01:42 <Morbus> interesting.
17:01:49 <Morbus> gizmode is aggregating OTHER live blogs.
17:02:14 <xover> Gizmodo and Gawker are rapidly approaching the bottom of the scum bucket.
17:02:28 <litwol> with major dlay at that
17:02:30 <Morbus> 10:01AM - Standing O — “It’s great to be here. Thank you.” Screams — we love you Steve! “Thanks. I think.”
17:03:22 <nslater> why dont they strem it?
17:03:43 <Morbus> they never have.
17:03:51 <nslater> yeah, but why dont they?
17:03:54 <Morbus> well, i think they did once.
17:04:02 <litwol> wats the point attending then ?
17:04:10 <xover> Apple was first to regularly stream these kinds of events.
17:04:12 <Morbus> why stream it live when you can have multiple media outlets doing live nlogging?
17:04:23 <xover> And then they stopped just as everyone else caught on.
17:04:28 <nslater> because liveblogging is annoying and shit
17:04:37 <xover> And /me was very very sad…
17:04:43 <Morbus> is this your first apple liveblog or something?
17:04:46 <nslater> nope
17:04:50 <Morbus> shut the fuck up and sit in the back ;)
17:04:52 <Morbus> whiny bitch.
17:04:52 <nslater> i just dont like liveblogging
17:05:02 <nslater> and i dont understand why they dont stream it
17:05:04 <Morbus> http://live.gdgt.com/2010/06/07/live-wwdc-2010-keynote-coverage/#10-04-22-am
17:05:04 <sbp> the liveblogs are hilarious
17:05:05 <nslater> simple enough question
17:05:11 <Morbus> bleh. fucking copy paste.
17:05:20 <xover> nslater: Summary: costs.
17:05:26 <litwol> lol ipad gets you laid http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-070-rm-eng.jpg
17:05:30 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_324.jpg
17:05:30 <nslater> heh, this is apple we're talking about right?
17:05:38 <Morbus> selling 1 every 3 seconds. Started shipping 9 of 10 countries. Showing video reel of worldwide launch news,
17:05:45 <nslater> streaming a video feed would be too expensive, ... for apple?
17:05:56 <xover> Cost vs benefit.
17:06:35 <nsh> IS THER EXCITING HAPEN YET?!
17:06:46 <nslater> nsh: some dude picked up a chick with an ipad
17:06:54 <nslater> so apparently, ipads get you poon
17:07:07 <nsh> BUT WAT QUALITY POON!?!?
17:07:10 <litwol> oh wow @ "17 apps per iPad already downloaded"
17:07:12 <xover> Despite no porn on the AppStore.
17:07:15 <litwol> that indeed is a lot
17:07:48 <Morbus> 10:07 am Now showing games, Iron Man, Avatar, Fieldrunners.
17:07:48 <Morbus> 10:07 am Steve is now going through some of the latest apps such as Pulse, WebMD, Gowalla, Ebay, along with education apps.
17:08:14 <nslater> i wonder if the new iphone will come with the much anticipated teledildonics feature
17:08:24 <nslater> that's BOUND to get you poon
17:08:27 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_334.jpg
17:08:31 <Morbus> what game is that? field runners?
17:08:38 <xover> I think they changed the appstoreterms to outlaw those.
17:08:39 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_338.jpg
17:08:57 <Morbus> iBooks getting update from Apple
17:09:05 <Morbus> In first 65 days, users have downloaded over 5 million books.
17:09:15 <litwol> wow
17:09:24 <xover> Like, International availability so wecn actually get it?
17:09:30 <litwol> how does that compare to .... what was it called from amzon?
17:09:35 <Morbus> kindle.
17:09:37 <litwol> yes
17:09:39 <litwol> ty
17:09:42 <Morbus> 65 days users have downloaded 5 million books, 2.5 per iPad. 5 of 6 biggest publishers. Share of ebooks from Apple's iBook store is 22% in just a few weeks.
17:09:42 <litwol> how does it compare to kindle ?
17:09:50 <Morbus> dunno.
17:09:55 <Morbus> kindle runs on the ipad though.
17:10:05 <Morbus> 5 of the 6 biggest publisher in the US say share of eBooks on iBook Store is now 22%.
17:10:08 <Morbus> iBooks enhancements include in-line notes that look like post it notes.
17:10:12 <sbp> hehe: 10:04AM "It is magical, I know it because I got this email: I was sitting in a café with my iPad, and it got a girl interested in me!." "So there's proof." Huge cheers.
17:10:15 <litwol> i am curious to compare it to the physical device... after all ipad is not the first in the game
17:10:19 <Morbus> ^^ i am very interested in that one cos i've started to work on something very similar.
17:10:30 <Morbus> litwol: i have both, so you can ask me when the keynote is done ;)
17:10:36 <Morbus> 10:10 am Bookmark looks like little red ribbon, also shows in table of contents.
17:10:36 <Morbus> 10:10 am New control in upper right to add bookmarks.
17:10:38 <litwol> ok
17:10:47 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_346.jpg
17:10:51 <Morbus> ^^ post it notes.
17:10:56 <litwol> oh god
17:11:02 * litwol is getting turned on
17:11:05 <Morbus> 10:10AM - “As you know, you can create highlights, you can also make notes. Now you can make notes. In addition, we’ve added a control to just tap and bookmark a page — under ToC you’ll see all the notes, highlights, and bookmarks.”
17:11:14 <Morbus> this is very funny, actually, cos that UI is pretty nearly what i was going to do for my thing.
17:11:18 <Morbus> !! read pdfs, finally.
17:11:24 <Morbus> 10:10AM - “We’ve added another big enhancement — the ability to view and read PDFs. So we’ve built that in.” Big applause. “You can now view PDFs. We’ve put a little selector at the top — books and PDFs. You get a whole new bookshelf just for PDFs, they just look gorgeous.”
17:11:33 <Morbus> Will be out later this month
17:11:41 <nslater> hmm
17:11:48 <nslater> so nice annotations for pdfs too
17:12:10 * litwol is curious about 4g hardware for ipad
17:12:10 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_351.jpg
17:12:19 <Morbus> Next up: iPhone App Store
17:12:19 <Morbus> 1:12
17:12:19 <Morbus> We support two platforms: first one is HTML5 "a fully open, uncontrolled, forged by widely respected standards bodies"
17:12:20 * litwol is curious about 4g evertying actuall
17:12:20 <xover> two platforms: heh heh
17:12:24 <sbp> PDF reading: good!
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17:12:35 <d8uv> THE d8uv RETURNETH
17:12:35 <Morbus> sbp: i've got a few pdf readers on the ipad. they all suck.
17:12:55 <Morbus> 10:12AM - “We support two platforms at Apple. Two. The first is HTML5, a fully-open, uncontrolled platform that is forged and defined by standards bodies. We fully support HTML5. Apple’s browsers are in the lead in terms of supporting the full HTML5 standard, and we are behind this 100%. It is fully open.”
17:13:05 <Morbus> "Second platform we support is App Store. Curated platform with 225,000 apps. Most vibrant app community on the planet.
17:13:05 <Morbus> "
17:13:07 <Morbus> lol @ curated.
17:13:18 <Morbus> that's awesome.
17:13:23 <Morbus> 15,000 apps submitted per week.
17:13:23 <xover> He actually cribbed that from the blogs.
17:13:40 <Morbus> 95% approved within 7 days
17:14:18 <Morbus> talking about why they don't approve apps.
17:14:22 <Morbus> 5% rejected: #1 reason: doesn't function as advertised
17:14:29 <Morbus> 10:14 am 2. Use of private API's.
17:14:29 <Morbus> 10:13 am 1: Doesn't function or do what the developer says it does.
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17:14:46 <Morbus> 10:14 am "Developers who use private API's know exactly what they're doing."
17:14:47 <Morbus> 10:14 am Doesn't allow private API's because they're not guaranteed and apps that use them will break if the iPhone OS is updated.
17:14:47 <sbp> yeah, figure iBooks should be actually good at PDF
17:15:03 <Morbus> #3 - they crash
17:15:13 <litwol> what does it mean "private api"
17:15:14 <litwol> ?
17:15:20 <Morbus> 10:15AM - “And the third most frequent reason: they crash. If you were in our shoes, you’d be rejecting apps for the exact same reasons. I just wanted to give you the facts — sometimes when you read some of these articles, you may think other stuff is going on.”
17:15:36 <clsn> I *have* heard that other stuff is going on.
17:15:46 <Morbus> litwol: it'd be like breaking the php's honorable stance of "don't use a private function that you didn't create".
17:16:00 <litwol> ohhhhh
17:16:05 <litwol> i c
17:16:07 <litwol> make sense
17:16:08 <clsn> The app that got accepted three times... then rejected because it was putting icons someplace and they don't want apps that make their own desktop...?
17:16:26 <Morbus> netflix ceo takes stage. /me snores.
17:16:33 <xover> eBay is doing $1.5-2 billion through the iPhone app? That's… pretty damn big.
17:16:35 <clsn> I have not been following the news for reals, though, since I don't have an iPhone (among other reasons). But I've heard the horror stories.
17:16:46 <Morbus> Hastings: "Tremendous success" talking about iPad version. Top 10 most downloaded apps.
17:16:46 <Morbus> 10:16 am (Netflix CEO)
17:16:46 <Morbus> 10:15 am Reed Hastings coming on stage to discuss Netflix on the iPhone.
17:16:47 <clsn> (tbh, I quite like my Android)
17:17:14 <[bjoern]> Netflix CEO is a top 10 app?
17:17:16 <Morbus> sbp: i wonder if chen isnt' really there. he seems to /only/ be repasting from other sites.
17:17:33 <Morbus> netflix for iphone.
17:17:38 <xover> clsn: I think Steve's point is that those stories are just the few random outlier cases, they're a miniscule fraction of the total number of apps, and even of the apps that get rejected.
17:17:52 <Morbus> Full Netflix on iPhone/iPad touch. Start films on TV or iPad, resume from other devices
17:17:57 <sbp> Morbus: yeah, I noticed that at the beginning
17:18:11 <[bjoern]> .oO{ "We got loads of crap that passes our smell test in store" }
17:18:15 <Morbus> sbp: that's pretty fucking lame.
17:18:24 <sbp> so, so far "iBooks supports PDF and annotations"?
17:18:24 <Morbus> Full Netflix on iPhone/iPad touch. Start films on TV or iPad, resume from other devices
17:18:27 <clsn> xover: I guess that's a valid point. Does make you wonder, though: even if it's the odd case, it shows a certain heavy-handedness, perhaps. *shrug* what do I know, though?
17:18:30 <d8uv> chen isn't there
17:18:35 <Morbus> 10:17AM - “There is one feature request we’ve consistently gotten… and I’m happy to announce Netflix for the iPhone coming this summer for free.” Woops, Steve slipped and mentioned Netflix for iPhone right before Reed got on stage.
17:18:39 <d8uv> gizmodo wasn't invited
17:18:44 <Morbus> d8uv: that's bullshit.
17:18:55 <Morbus> @lmorchard No, not denied. Ignored. No, not banned. Ignored. If they want to go, they can pay for a ticket. They're bitching about freebies.
17:18:58 <xover> clsn: I don't disagree with you. I just don't think it should be blown out of proportion.
17:19:04 <[bjoern]> bwhaha http://live.benm.at/liveblog/uploads/3232260c33215a4b0bd3f20ece12c29d.JPG
17:19:06 <clsn> You're probably right.
17:19:21 <Morbus> 1:18
17:19:21 <Morbus> Recommendations, genres , instant queue, shop in library. Can add films to queue from iPhone. Uses HTTP adaptive streaming over WiFi, 3G.
17:19:25 <Morbus> Introducing Zynga, MArk Pincus, CEO
17:19:30 <Morbus> facebook games come to iphone?
17:19:31 <clsn> And like I said, I'm *only* hearing the ridiculous cases, because I only hear about it at all when someone's outraged enough to yell about it.
17:19:39 <Morbus> Introducing "farming for the iPhone."
17:19:51 <sbp> [bjoern]: yeah, I pasted that :-)
17:20:04 <xover> Man this stuff is lame.
17:20:09 <xover> Get to the good stuff!
17:20:12 <Morbus> so far. ibook/pdf is the awesomenest.
17:20:16 <xover> yeah
17:20:22 * Morbus just uninstalled two pdf readers ;)
17:20:27 <xover> Except it's not fucking available over here yet!
17:20:29 <litwol> What i'm curius about is how will netflix deal with new att removal of unlimited data plan ...
17:20:32 <Morbus> 10:19AM - Pincus is up: “Thank you Steve and Apple, we’re honored and excited. Today we’re introducing farming for the iPhone. Farmville is our most popular game, and we’re excited to be bringing it to the most popular mobile gaming platform in the world.”
17:20:39 <Morbus> litwol: that was only for ipads.
17:21:01 <Morbus> introducing Farmville for iPhone. (How will I make Flash jokes about this anymore?)
17:21:09 <litwol> Morbus: what was ? i read somewhere that /all new subscribers will not have the unlimited option anymore/
17:21:11 <nsh> oh god
17:21:12 <clsn> litwol: I heard about that. what's the official deal with it?
17:21:12 <Morbus> More people play Zynga games than watch the season finales of Lost and 24.
17:21:23 <Morbus> litwol: i read that was only for ipads. didn't effect iphones.
17:21:31 <Morbus> litwol: but i'd be interested to know if i was wrong.
17:21:47 <Morbus> Liveblogger X:
17:21:47 <Morbus> There is no mention of AT&T’s new 2GB limit, but that’s what’s in the back of everybody’s mind.
17:21:48 <Morbus> guess not.
17:21:50 <litwol> so my question still tstands then. how will this honored netflix guest deal with att.. i mean the two are contradicting
17:21:55 <Morbus> 10:21AM - “Say goodbye to withering crops, we now have push notifications!” Pincus: “I’d just like to say, if you don’t regularly farm… well, you should.” Har.
17:22:20 <Morbus> Showing farm created in Facebook Flash app, can zoom in and play on the iPhone. Use in app purchases to buy animals. Only buy Snow Leopard on the iPhone. Push notifications to avoid withering crops.
17:22:33 <xover> A faming game? Really?!? That's the best use of the keynote time?
17:22:42 <Morbus> yeah, no shit.
17:22:52 <Morbus> i wouldn't think digirati would play farmville religiously.
17:23:02 <xover> heh heh, yeah
17:23:14 <litwol> i guess its important if its profitable..
17:23:20 <[bjoern]> Well if you consider http://www.inquisitr.com/68292/bulgarian-politician-fired-over-farmville/ ...
17:23:35 <Morbus> Farmville available end of June for 1 year anniversary.
17:23:36 <[bjoern]> oh wait are the glyphs playing tricks on me!
17:23:42 <Morbus> Activision Senior VP Karthik Bala up next to talk about Guitar Hero.
17:23:53 <Morbus> farmville: http://edge-cache.gizmodo.com/gizmodo/wwdc10/WWDC18.jpg
17:24:08 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_396.jpg
17:24:43 <jeanniecool> wait, flash on an apple product?
17:24:53 <Morbus> Liveblogger X:
17:24:53 <Morbus> Everybody applauds at the dagger into Adobe’s heart with Farmville written on it.
17:25:03 <Morbus> Jason Chen:
17:25:03 <Morbus> You can customize the look of your rock star persona, and “connect with your favorite pop music.”
17:25:13 <Morbus> 10:24 am Gameplay is similar to classic guitar hero.
17:25:13 <Morbus> 10:24 am Comes with classic rock like Queen and Rolling Stones as well as new artists like Rise Against.
17:25:23 <Morbus> gh: http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_402.jpg
17:25:44 * litwol confuses activision with pingvision momentarily
17:25:51 <xover> .title http://www.inquisitr.com/66483/5-incredibly-stupid-tattoos/?obref=obinsite
17:25:51 <phenny> xover: 5 Incredibly stupid tattoos
17:26:04 <Morbus> Jason Chen:
17:26:04 <Morbus> The Activision guy is giving a very rehearsed, very stiff description of Guitar Hero. He’s making Guitar Hero sound boring.
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17:26:37 <Morbus> Available today for $2.99
17:26:44 <Morbus> (i'd buy it for that much)
17:26:47 <litwol> i bet he dosn't play the game himself
17:26:52 <Morbus> As you score points, you level up your "rock rank."
17:26:55 <Morbus> Steve back on stage.
17:26:58 <sbp> is it just me or have they not really announced anything yet?
17:27:01 <clsn> xover: I follow the RSS feed of ugliesttattoos.com if you want to see things like that.
17:27:04 <Morbus> sbp: pdfs!
17:27:06 <Morbus> ;)
17:27:32 <Morbus> 10:27AM - Guitar Hero now in App Store for $2.99 “Go download it!” Steve’s back. “He was playing that lead in real time, that was really cool! Three great entertainment apps… I’ve got a few great pieces of information to share with you.”
17:27:34 <xover> clsn: Thanks for the tip. I'm quite facinated by that kind of thing. :-)
17:27:41 <Morbus> Crossed 5 billion total downloads on the App Store last week.
17:27:43 <sbp> the PDFs thing is cool, I will admit
17:27:56 <Morbus> 10:27AM - “Just last week, we crossed five BILLION downloads.” Big applause. “This next thing is my favorite thing is my favorite stat of the whole show. As you know, 70% of revenue goes to the developer. How much have we paid you to date? Just a few days ago we crossed a BILLION dollars.” Big, big applause.
17:28:08 <xover> Ver ver nice.
17:28:17 <clsn> Be sure to read backlog. :) There are SO MANY ridiculous examples...
17:28:19 <Morbus> "One of the greatest things we get to do."
17:28:29 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_426.jpg
17:28:33 <Morbus> Moving on to iPhone
17:28:45 <Morbus> 10:28AM - “It is one of the greatest things we get to do. And that’s what makes the App Store the most vibrant app community on the planet. 5b downloads and a healthy ecosystem, and we’re thrilled with it. Now, I’d like to talk about the iPhone.” Some cheering.
17:29:12 <Morbus> 10:28AM - “There have been a lot of stats floating around — market research, market share studies, some are ok and some are questionable. I’d like to give you two pieces of data to help you make your own judgments.”
17:29:54 <Morbus> There have been a lot of statistics floating around. Some are questionable. Market share: Nielson Q1 numbers 35% RIM, iPhone 28%, WiMo 19% Android 9%, other 9%
17:29:59 <Morbus> 10:29 am Android at 9%.
17:29:59 <Morbus> 10:29 am Q1 2010: iPhone has 28% of the US Market Share
17:30:11 <Morbus> Jason Chen:
17:30:11 <Morbus> “There’ve been a lot of statistics floating around and market share studies.” Now Jobs is going to pick out two pieces of data that he likes. The first, Nielsen.
17:30:48 <Morbus> 10:30AM - US mobile browser usage in the US — 58.2% of US mobile browser usage. “That’s almost 2.5x that of #2, Android. This may help you put things in perspective. So, back to iPhone.”
17:30:48 <Morbus> 10:29AM - “The first is a report that just came out from Nielson: what is the marketshare in the US? RIM is #1 with 35%. iPhone is #2 with 28%, WinMo #3 with 19%, Android 9%. Nielson says iPhone is over 3x that of Android.”
17:31:17 <xover> "It's hard to remember what it was like before the iPhone."
17:31:30 <xover> Not really, I recall the horror quite well, thank you very much.
17:31:34 <Morbus> 0:31AM - “In 2009 the iPhone 3GS was twice as fast. For 2010 we’re going to take the biggest leap since the original iPhone.” Huge applause.
17:31:40 <Morbus> 10:31AM - “We’re introducing iPhone 4.”
17:31:41 <sbp> ooh
17:31:44 <sbp> here we go
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17:31:53 <Morbus> 10:31 am "This is really hot."
17:31:53 <Morbus> 10:31 am iPhone 4.
17:31:53 <Morbus> 10:31 am Audience goes wild.
17:31:56 <Morbus> Well over 100 new features, not enough time for them all. Covering 8 today.
17:32:11 <xover> For the phone? No, must include OS.
17:32:31 <Morbus> lol:
17:32:32 <Morbus> 10:32AM - “Now, stop me if you’ve already seen this.” Huge laughter and cheering.
17:32:32 <Morbus> 10:31AM - “Now, this is really hot. There are well over 100 new features, but I’m going to cover 8 new features of the iPhone 4. The first: an all new design.”
17:32:37 <nslater> hehe
17:32:43 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_437.jpg
17:32:53 <Morbus> You aint seen it! You got to see this in person
17:32:55 <Morbus> Close ups of corners. Most precise beautiful thing we've ever made
17:33:00 <Morbus> 10:32 am Glass on front and rear with stainless steel running around the side.
17:33:00 <Morbus> 10:32 am "This is beyond a doubt the most precise things, one of the most beautiful things we've ever made."
17:33:07 <Morbus> "Really thin."
17:33:20 <Morbus> Liveblogger X:
17:33:20 <Morbus> A joke. Chants, cheers, stomps and whoops. It’s like a concert.
17:33:20 <Morbus> 10:32 AM ON JUN 7 2010
17:33:22 <nslater> "its closest kin is like an old Leica camera"
17:33:23 <nslater> errr
17:33:25 <Morbus> Jason Chen:
17:33:25 <Morbus> No mention of us, eh?
17:33:29 <Morbus> jason chen doesnt' get it.
17:33:38 <Morbus> 9,3 mm thick, 24% thinner than 3GS
17:33:43 <Morbus> thinnest smartphone on the planet
17:34:00 <xover> They're getting scary good at miniturization.
17:34:09 <nslater> front camer!
17:34:12 <nslater> that means...
17:34:14 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_450.jpg
17:34:14 <nslater> video calling!
17:34:16 <nslater> surely!
17:34:24 <Morbus> i can't imagine what else it'd be for, yeah.
17:34:38 <nslater> two mikes??
17:34:40 <xover> I can't imagine what it's good for, period.
17:34:41 <Morbus> second mic for noise cancelation
17:34:50 <Morbus> External features, mute volume, front facing camera, back camera with LED flash
17:34:56 <nslater> weird brushed aluminium background
17:34:58 <xover> It's a Nexus One ripoff!
17:35:00 <Morbus> 10:34 am Pointing out weird line on side with volume buttons, steve says people have asked "WHat's this?"
17:35:11 <nslater> LED flash? woah
17:35:32 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_456.jpg
17:35:41 <Morbus> 10:35AM - “Well, it turns out, there’s not just one of them, there’s three of them. And they are part of the structure of the phone — the stainless steel band is the structure of the phone. These is some brilliant engineering — we use that stainless steel band as part of the antenna system.”
17:35:58 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_459.jpg
17:35:59 <nslater> "we use that stainless steel band as part of the antenna system"
17:36:00 <nslater> woah
17:36:14 <Morbus> 10:36AM - “It’s got integrated antennas right in the structure of the phone — it’s never been done before and it’s really cool engineering.” Big applause. “Stainless steel for strength. Glass on the front AND back. Integrated antennas, and extraordinary build quality.”
17:36:26 <xover> That's pretty damn cool, yeah.
17:36:38 <Morbus> One side is Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS, other is UMTS and GSM.
17:36:43 <Morbus> 10:36 am Retina Display.
17:36:43 <Morbus> 10:36 am "This is a biggie."
17:36:43 <Morbus> 10:36 am Feature #2-
17:36:50 <xover> uhm
17:36:53 <nslater> retina display??
17:36:59 <xover> The fuck?!?
17:37:03 <Morbus> Normal display has pixels; retina has 4x the pixels
17:37:10 <Morbus> 10:36 am New display technology, dramatically increases pixel density. 4x as many in same amount of space.
17:37:12 <xover> Ah.
17:37:18 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_467.jpg
17:37:27 <Morbus> 10:36AM - “Second: this is a biggie. Something we call the retina display. What’s that?” Chuckles. “In any display, there are pixels — here’s four of them. We start off by dramatically increasing the pixel density, 4x in the same amount of space.”
17:37:45 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_472.jpg
17:37:50 <Morbus> 1:37
17:37:50 <Morbus> 326 ppi display
17:37:53 <nslater> that image doesnt look faithful
17:37:54 <xover> Oooh!
17:37:59 <Morbus> "Really really sharp text."
17:38:17 <Morbus> 10:37AM - “Why’s that important? We get far more precision… and we play tricks like adding some gray pixels to help fuzz it for the eye. When you zoom out, you get REALLY crisp images. It has 326 pixels per inch. There has never been a display like this on a phone.”
17:38:21 <xover> Now can we get sub-pixel AA on the iPhone, pretty please?
17:38:46 <Morbus> 300 is limit of human retina
17:38:51 <Morbus> 10:38 am Text like "a fine printed book."
17:38:51 <Morbus> 10:38 am 300 ppi is limit of the human retina when held 10-12 inches away from the eye.
17:38:58 <Morbus> 326 ppi "comfortably over" that limit.
17:39:10 <sbp> hmm. no mention of the "HD" name yet? :-)
17:39:23 <xover> Oh. Oh. Could this be the year when they finally announce resolution independence?
17:39:32 <Morbus> 10:38AM - “People haven’t even dreamt of a display like this. It turns out there’s a limit around 300px per inch that the human eye can’t differentiate between the pixels — text looks like you’ve seen it in a fine printed book, unlike you’ve ever seen on an electronic display before. It’s extraordinary.”
17:39:36 <xover> You know, like they promised, what, 3 years ago…
17:40:06 <clsn> How come 300dpi printing is considered pretty low-quality then? And it is, you CAN tell.
17:40:18 <Morbus> 10:39 am Firing up both phones.
17:40:18 <Morbus> 10:39 am Doing a live demo now.
17:40:18 <Morbus> 10:39 am Showing differences in photos now.
17:40:23 <clsn> A "fine printed book" has something like 1200dpi.
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17:40:51 <Morbus> Zoomed in difference looking at home screen is remarkable. Apple had to get special projectors to show just how good this screen is.
17:40:58 <Morbus> lol: http://edge-cache.gizmodo.com/gizmodo/wwdc10/WWDC28.jpg
17:41:07 <sivy> clsn: perhaps, but the human eye can't tell the difference between, say, 400dpi and 1200dpi
17:41:17 <Morbus> old: http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_486.jpg
17:41:20 <Morbus> new: http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_485.jpg
17:41:31 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_487.jpg
17:41:44 <clsn> Yeah it can. Though only from pretty close up.
17:41:45 <Morbus> showing text and graphics on both screens. slow loading. Help me out if you're on Wifi, just get off it.
17:41:58 <sbp> this is kind of interesting to be honest
17:42:01 <Morbus> 10:41 am NY Times still not loading on iPhone 4.
17:42:01 <Morbus> 10:41 am Steve asks everyone to get off WiFi to help him out, audience laughs.
17:42:01 <Morbus> 10:41 am Loading slowly, "networks in here always unpredictable."
17:42:01 <Morbus> 10:40 am Loading up NY Times next.
17:42:02 <sbp> I wonder if it looks like eInk?
17:42:12 <Morbus> Switching to backups.
17:42:54 <clsn> Still, 300dpi on a *display* is moderately awesome.
17:43:05 <sbp> 10:42AM - Uh oh, network troubles up on stage. Steve: “You could do me a favor by getting off of WiFi.” Nice hat tip to the Google IO keynote foibles.
17:43:07 <sbp> what's that about?
17:43:23 <nslater> argh this page is not loading for me any more
17:43:29 <sbp> which one?
17:43:32 <sbp> there are three in the topic
17:43:40 <nslater> first i think
17:44:21 <xover> «iPhone 4 now on AT&T, all kinds of error messages about not being connected to the internet popping up on iPhone 4.»
17:44:41 <xover> nslater: Try www.macrumorslive.com
17:45:09 <xover> 10:44 am Someone shouts, "Try Verizon."
17:45:09 <xover> 10:43 am Asks Scott for any suggestions.
17:45:09 <xover> 10:43 am Steve apologizing again.
17:45:09 <xover> 10:43 am iPhone 4 slowly barely loads NY Times.
17:45:31 <xover> Oh AT&T, who would we hate if you did not exist?
17:45:57 <litwol> omg... tis not even a centimeter wide.. amazing
17:46:06 * litwol reading backlog due to stupid russian network issues
17:46:11 <litwol> znc++
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17:46:31 <xover> Morbus! Nooo! Come back to us!
17:46:32 <sbp> screen better than what you can achieve with an OLED
17:46:32 <sivy> just tweeted: "Someone dispatch Security to the Moscone offices before the keynote is over, b/c Steve is going to kill the manager."
17:46:43 <xover> heh heh
17:47:19 <xover> «Steve thinks this will set the standard for the next 7 years.»
17:47:23 <xover> That's pretty specific.
17:47:34 <xover> Ooh! A4 in iPhone!
17:47:41 <sbp> woah!
17:47:42 <sbp> yeah!
17:47:54 <sivy> read "we have a 7 year exclusive iwth the only manufgacturer that can make these"
17:48:00 * xover waits for the battery capacity shoe to drop…
17:48:07 <litwol> done
17:48:25 <xover> «Biggest component in iPhone is battery.»
17:48:47 <xover> Oh, 800:1 contrast is pretty good.
17:49:07 <xover> «Bigger battery plus A4 processor, 40% more talk time. 7 hours talk time. 6 hours of 3G browsing, 10 hours of WiFi browsing, 10 hours of video. 40 hours of music. 300 hours of standby.»
17:49:41 <sivy> The Second Coming of the Jesus Phone?
17:49:57 <xover> That might actually translate to twice the effective battery time compared to the 3GS for me!
17:50:19 <xover> «IPhone 4 environmental report card being showed, is highly recyclable and has nothing nasty in it.»
17:50:40 <sivy> gyroscope!?
17:50:53 <xover> «Gyro + accelerometer = 6 axis motion sensing»
17:51:08 <xover> Now if only they'de give access to temperature and moisture sensors...
17:51:38 <xover> Hmm. 32GB storage… /Just/ 32GB? No lower end models?
17:51:57 <MacTed> "Up to 32GB"
17:52:07 <xover> ah, thanks
17:52:13 <sbp> 10:50AM - “We’ve got another cool piece of hardware: we’re adding a three-axis gyroscope.” A few people in the audience just completely lost it.
17:52:19 <sbp> pretty funny
17:52:23 <sbp> bet they're all game developers
17:52:24 <xover> heh heh
17:52:27 <xover> yeah
17:52:39 <xover> .gc sixaxis
17:52:39 <phenny> sixaxis: 122,000
17:54:10 <xover> «Gyro joins 4 other sensors, accelerometer, compass, proximity and ambient light sensors.
17:54:11 <xover> »
17:54:51 <xover> Give me temperature and moisture, and this is a pretty damn sweet sensor package, with built in wifi and GSM networking, for use in remote server rooms (of which I have ~15+).
17:55:17 <sbp> hmm
17:55:20 <sbp> battery life is reasonable
17:55:25 <sbp> I guess I was expecting more
17:55:27 <nslater> nice to see some sensible comments about megapixels
17:55:33 <xover> yeah
17:55:34 <sbp> but... the high-res screen probably explains a lot of that
17:55:38 <sbp> gotta feed those pixels
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17:56:51 * litwol watns moar
17:56:57 <xover> deltab!
17:57:11 <sbp> HD video recorder? huh
17:57:13 <sivy> HD video. nice
17:57:17 <sbp> how much freaking memory does it have then?
17:57:21 <sivy> deltab!
17:57:35 <sbp> deltab@
17:57:37 <sivy> oh, the 32gb he was talking about *is* the ram :-)
17:57:37 <sbp> fuck
17:57:45 * deltab grumbles about the other user of this multi-user system
17:57:57 <sbp> iMovie for iPhone? heh
17:58:02 <xover> iMovie for iPhone...
17:58:04 <xover> ...
17:58:07 <xover> ...
17:58:22 <sbp> leeeetle bit peculiar, yeah
17:58:27 <xover> For iPad, sure, I'll buy it.
17:58:36 <sbp> waiting for AutoCAD for iPhone...
17:59:01 <xover> The new iMove UI is perfect for multi-touch.
18:00:10 <litwol> you know you visit c4c too often when you read this as "fap to focus": http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-248-rm-eng.jpg
18:00:41 * litwol sheds a tear for morbus' absence
18:00:53 <sbp> it does say Fap to focus. perhaps your vision is blurred...
18:01:15 <MacTed> not enuf pixels.
18:01:23 <litwol> i love this place
18:01:32 <sbp> I can almost, sort of, maybe, just possibly, see iMovie for iPhone working, you know
18:01:45 <sbp> they appear to have made it *quite* cheap and cheerful
18:01:50 <sbp> and you know how handy people have been finding it for snaps
18:02:05 <sbp> the amount of space the damn movies take up though...
18:02:08 <xover> Schnaps?
18:02:29 <sbp> perhaps your vision is blurred...
18:02:31 <litwol> do we have sd slots ?
18:02:38 <sbp> nope
18:02:53 <litwol> so i missed.. what are the ram and stoage memory options ?
18:02:56 <sivy> will require sync to mac
18:03:02 <sivy> or, sync to desktop
18:03:06 <sivy> prolly
18:03:09 <sivy> haven't said yet
18:03:11 <sbp> gdgt: "There’s nothing out today that is remotely comparable to this in terms of mobile video editing."
18:03:13 <sivy> re: mam/storage
18:03:24 <sbp> that's because there WAS NO mobile video editing... right?
18:03:33 * litwol nods
18:03:46 <litwol> maybe just caltura.. bu that's different
18:04:35 <sbp> hahaha
18:04:35 <sbp> 11:04AM - Demo over! Steve’s back. “Isn’t that awesome? iMovie for iPhone. You can buy this right on your phone for $4.99 right on your phone. If we approve it.” Laughter. Number six!
18:05:00 <sbp> seems to be very dry-witty today
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18:05:21 <xover> «Asking everyone to turn off WiFi to do the demos.»
18:05:26 <litwol> hmmmmmmm what's this http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=1
18:05:26 <Morbus> http://live.gizmodo.com/
18:05:26 <xover> Laaaaame!
18:05:35 <Morbus> has a live video/audio demo if you refresh.
18:05:41 <Morbus> (i had too cos i lost my internet)
18:05:42 <nslater> lols
18:06:13 <xover> So no new Aiport Base Stations this year then I take it?
18:06:16 <Morbus> though, i think it was just shot off ;)
18:06:19 <Morbus> *shut off
18:06:24 <sbp> Morbus: did you see?
18:06:26 <sbp> A4 chip
18:06:29 <Morbus> yeah, saw.
18:06:31 <sbp> long battery life as a result
18:06:34 <Morbus> when i lost the net, i went to grab my iphone ;)
18:06:39 <sbp> and... iMovie for iPhone. because it now takes HD video (wtf)
18:06:42 <Morbus> i aint missing this shit ;)
18:06:44 <xover> heh heh. Tethering?
18:06:46 <sbp> hehe
18:07:01 * xover *huggs* tethering!
18:07:11 <litwol> wtf... they are voicing the live blogs?
18:07:15 <litwol> lametry
18:07:20 <litwol> lamery *
18:07:23 <Morbus> apparently, yeah.
18:07:29 * litwol turns off
18:07:33 <Morbus> cos the demo was fucked.
18:07:34 <xover> Crap, it looks like Steve said to shut the laptops; and macrumorslive shut their fucking laptops!
18:07:45 <litwol> Morbus: what? what do u mean ?
18:07:52 <litwol> oh lol
18:07:54 <sbp> iOS 4!
18:07:59 <Morbus> there were 570 wifin networks.
18:08:01 <sbp> haha. that's what I've been calling it for fucking ages anyway
18:08:01 <litwol> some one got caught streaming ?
18:08:05 <litwol> oh lOL
18:08:06 <sbp> and everybody else I think
18:08:11 <MacTed> engadget's staying up with 3G card...
18:08:22 <Morbus> 11:06AM - “We’re renaming it! We’re taking away the phone! iOS4.”
18:08:22 <Morbus> 11:06AM - And yes, we’re still here. Sorry Steve.
18:08:22 <Morbus> 11:06AM - People are jeering… “come on guys.” Oooookay. “Are we done? So, number six: iPhone OS4. The most advanced mobile OS in the world.” Big applause.
18:08:30 <Morbus> 11:08AM - “And we’re going even further and giving it some metal.” Heh. “It’s our most ambitious release to date — over 1500 developer APIs. Over 100 new user features, the biggest being multitasking. Some people were saying you weren’t first with multitasking — the same was true with cut/copy/paste. But we took some time to figure out how to do it right.”
18:08:35 <litwol> what newbs. cant they just throttle network ?
18:08:44 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_613.jpg
18:08:46 <sbp> more dry self-humping about the multitasking
18:09:05 <Morbus> snicker: http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_618.jpg
18:09:05 <sbp> ICC profiles? what boss are they up to?
18:09:15 <xover> litwol: WLANs are basically hubbed networks. It's not bandwidth, it's timeslicing.
18:09:15 <Morbus> 11:08 am Going over multitasking now.
18:09:15 <Morbus> 11:08 am 100 new user features
18:09:15 <Morbus> 11:08 am iPhone OS is now iOS 4
18:09:31 <litwol> well what ever.. just cut them out
18:09:43 * litwol sucks at networks
18:09:47 <sbp> dunno why people jeered at iOS
18:09:49 <xover> «Quotes Larry Page: "... software running in the background, that just sort of exhausts the battery quickly"»
18:09:53 <sbp> that's all we've been calling it anyway
18:10:02 <Morbus> sbp: wonder if cisco will sue. don't they call their os the ios?
18:10:09 <sbp> hmm, dunno
18:10:11 <Morbus> 11:09AM - “I’d like to demo just a few things today.” Demo time! Showing multitasking – Pandora, now switching to Mail. “We’ll see if we really did turn off all those WiFi devices.” Page loads, huge applause. “Thank you!”
18:10:15 <sbp> sure they would have cleared it with their legal first
18:10:35 <sbp> they already did multitasking last time...
18:10:39 <sivy> can NOT belive the calrity of that UI
18:10:39 <sivy> l
18:10:43 <sivy> ooks like illustrator mockups
18:10:46 <xover> Morbus: Yes, Cisco IOS is their main OS platform.
18:10:47 <Morbus> i'll have to rename my iphoen achievements page to ios achievements ;)
18:10:51 <Morbus> xover: thought so.
18:10:56 <sbp> 11:05AM He's asking people to set their laptops on the floor.
18:10:56 <sbp> 11:05AM Guess what -- we're not doing that.
18:10:59 <sbp> - engadget
18:11:22 <Morbus> looks like appleinsider did.
18:11:25 <Morbus> nothing there anymore.
18:11:28 * Morbus closes tab.
18:11:41 <Morbus> The website loaded now that everyone has turned off wifi. amazing amout of a page viewable on high res screen.
18:11:45 <sivy> live.gdgt.com and ars are still up
18:11:59 <[bjoern]> phenny: "Du darfst nicht passieren."?
18:11:59 <phenny> [bjoern]: "You must not happen." (de to en, translate.google.com)
18:12:05 <Morbus> 11:11AM - The engineering team at gdgt HQ just made a good point: the “iOS” name is already taken by Cisco. (It’s what runs most of the internet, as a matter of fact.) Then again, Cisco owned the “iPhone” name, too, as you might recall.
18:12:24 <Morbus> Showing that you can control audio apps in multitasking bar by swiping left or right. showing unified inbox and threading in mail. Audience claps for both.
18:12:27 <xover> Yeah, it'd be really weird if they hadn't clear this with Cisco either.
18:12:28 <Morbus> Going over features we've seen before: How to create a folder. Automatically names folder based on category of apps inside.
18:12:37 <sivy> i want a new apple tv
18:12:46 * sivy dreams
18:12:50 <sbp> 11:11AM - The engineering team at gdgt HQ just made a good point: the “iOS” name is already taken by Cisco. (It’s what runs most of the internet, as a matter of fact.) Then again, Cisco owned the “iPhone” name, too, as you might recall.
18:12:53 <Morbus> sivy: see d8. jobs talked aout it
18:12:54 <xover> Cisco, by the way, promised their VoIP software on iPhone 2+ years ago and has yet to deliver.
18:13:24 <sivy> oh, amd i start my sculptural welding class tonight */me rocsks out*
18:13:32 <Morbus> 11:12AM - Showing the meta media controls in the multitasking tray, unified inbox with threading, folders, and lots of other new stuff. “So, iOS4: Multitasking, folders, Retina Display integration, unified inbox and threading in Mail, lots of enhancements in camera and photos, deeper enterprise support, and tons of new features everywhere.”
18:13:46 <Morbus> no talk about achievements. sadness.
18:14:01 <Morbus> 11:13AM - “I wanted to hit for a moment on the enterprise integration — our customers are thrilled. Better data protection, wireless app distribution, multiple Exchange accounts… another thing we’re adding on the consumer side, today we have Google and Yahoo search.”
18:14:02 <xover> So how about them depper enterprise support thingies then?
18:14:02 <Morbus> yawn.
18:14:14 <Morbus> 11:14AM - “We’re adding a third option, which is Bing! Google will stay the default, but now you have another choice, if you like. Each one takes a unique approach to how they search and format results. You decide.”
18:14:19 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_647.jpg
18:14:19 <xover> Are you finally going to have disk encryption that, you know, _encrypts the damn disk_?
18:14:23 <sbp> third option?
18:14:25 <sbp> what's the second?
18:14:29 <Morbus> y!
18:14:32 <sbp> oh, yeah
18:14:52 <xover> Multiple Exchange (ActiveSync) accounts is pretty good.
18:14:58 <[bjoern]> "Works in both search engines."
18:15:15 <xover> Did Phil Schiller come up on stage just to call it “ActiveStink” this year?
18:15:21 <sbp> iOS 4 being pushed to devs today
18:16:13 <Morbus> 11:14AM - “Microsoft has done a really nice job on this, it’s an HTML5 presentation, it’s great. So, iOS4: we’re going to put a golden master candidate in developers’ hands today. Our final candidate will be in your hands today, and it will be out soon.”
18:16:26 <xover> No new beta / GM up on devel site.
18:16:26 <Morbus> 11:15AM - “So no one even comes close to this. That is iOS4. Number seven: iBooks. We are bringing it to the iPhone.”
18:16:27 <sbp> ah, iBooks for iPhone!
18:16:32 <Morbus> we knew that was coming.
18:16:35 <Morbus> mentioned it last talk.
18:16:37 <sbp> oh
18:16:40 <Morbus> PDF in a mail message goes right to iBooks in your PDF shelf.
18:16:41 <Morbus> oooOOh
18:16:46 <sbp> heh
18:17:13 <litwol> i dont like hat
18:17:14 <Morbus> 11:16AM - “The same controls, the same highlighting, the same bookmarking, the same PDF reading. If you get a PDF in Mail, tap on that and you’ll go right to iBooks. And, of course, the iBook Store right on your iPhone. We’ll have it on the iPad, iPhone, and iPod touch. This gets interesting.”
18:17:14 <litwol> that*
18:17:26 <xover> BUT CAN WE GET iBOOKS IN NORWAY YET YOU FUCKING AMERICOCENTRIC MAGGOTS!?!?!?
18:17:28 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_655.jpg
18:17:36 <Morbus> 11:17 am Download the same book to all devices at no extra charge.
18:17:36 <Morbus> 11:17 am Purchase and download a book.
18:17:40 <litwol> xover: proxy your shit through us vps..
18:18:22 <sbp> so do we all get Winnie the Pooh free?
18:18:27 <Morbus> yep.
18:18:30 <Morbus> that was the picture demo.
18:18:31 <sbp> yay
18:18:44 <xover> And Gutenberg is apparently there too.
18:18:44 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_655.jpg
18:18:50 <Morbus> built in?
18:18:53 <xover> Anyone know if Google Books are there?
18:18:54 <Morbus> it's always been "there", per se.
18:19:06 <Morbus> gutenberg has epub exports, and you just drag 'em into itunes.
18:19:22 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_666.jpg
18:19:29 <xover> Morbus: I may be wrong, but I'm fairly sure the book stores are populated with Gutenberg texts.
18:19:45 <Morbus> xover: i havent' seen any /accidentally/ while browsing.
18:19:49 <sbp> yeah, Gutenburg texts, all available for just £7.99
18:19:59 <sbp> what?
18:20:01 <Morbus> 11:19AM - “Partly just because I want you to see how beautiful this looks on our amazing Retina Display.” Showing selections, highlighting with colors, notes, bookmarks. This is all pretty true to the iPad version.
18:20:03 <sbp> it's expensive to prepare them!
18:20:06 <sbp> with proper fonts!
18:20:16 <Morbus> 11:19 am Flips pages, animates very smooth.
18:20:16 <Morbus> 11:19 am Goes back to library, switches to PDF's.
18:20:28 <sbp> so is the iPad's iPhone-emulator going to go Retina too? :-)
18:20:36 <Morbus> heh
18:20:42 <Morbus> the ipad's 2x is quite good accidentally.
18:20:52 <Morbus> about the only time i get a bad feeling about it is when i run an app vs. a game.
18:20:58 <Morbus> the games 2x fine. the apps not so much.
18:21:00 <xover> .title http://appadvice.com/appnn/2010/03/exclusive-ipad-ibooks-features-gutenberg-project-library/
18:21:00 <litwol> so wtf is retina display?!?!? is it just another marketing term or is there some solid tech spec behind it ?
18:21:02 <phenny> xover: Exclusive: iPad iBooks Features The Gutenberg Project Catalog – 30,000 Free eBooks :: App Advice
18:21:03 <sbp> hmm
18:21:10 <sbp> litwol: 300ppi
18:21:12 <Morbus> litwol: this was gone over waaaaaay above.
18:21:19 <litwol> shit
18:21:39 <Morbus> 11:21AM - “Pretty cool, huh?” Applause. “So that is iBooks. As you know, it has the iBookstore, which joins the App Store and iTunes Store as the third store on the iPhone. We have over 150 million credit cards on file ready to purchase your apps. We think we’re number one on the web.”
18:21:41 <sbp> the eye can't perceive better than that at a foot distance
18:21:42 * Morbus hacks teh apple.
18:22:04 <litwol> i c
18:22:09 <Morbus> 11:22AM - “Number eight: iAds. Why are we doing iAds? For one simple reason: to help our devs earn money so they can continue to create free and low-cost apps for users.” So Steve DOES acknowledge the deflationary nature of the App Store.
18:22:13 <litwol> sbp: that's the best explanation i got today lol
18:22:17 <sbp> oh, reminding us of iAds
18:22:18 <litwol> aids?
18:22:19 <litwol> wtf
18:22:19 <sbp> litwol: hehe
18:22:32 <Morbus> litwol: that's the same explanation jobs gave.
18:22:34 <Morbus> if you were reading.
18:22:50 <Morbus> good ol' chen:
18:22:51 <Morbus> Jason Chen:
18:22:51 <Morbus> I get that this is targeted towards a developer audience, but that’s a pretty interesting way to think of your customers. As just credit cards ready to place an order.
18:22:59 <Morbus> 11:22AM - “As you know, we’re trying to combine the emotion of video with the interactivity of the web. … iAds keep you in your app.” If you saw our iPhone OS 4 keynote coverage, a lot of this is just recap.
18:23:09 <Morbus> iAds keep users in the app when tapped instead of closing the app, loading the browser, and taking you to a random web site.
18:24:16 <Morbus> 60% of revenue goes to developers. Paid via iTunes connect just like apps.
18:24:28 <xover> Hmm. 60/40 revenue split for iAds, vs. 70/30 for apps etc.
18:24:30 <Morbus> 11:24AM - “Apple hosts and sells the ads, so all you have to do is tell us where you want them and make the money.” Chuckles. “We’ve only been selling ads for 8 weeks, and I’d like to just show you about some of the brands that will be advertising with us during the second half of the year…”
18:24:30 <Morbus> 11:24AM - “Apple hosts and sells the ads, so all you have to do is tell us where you want them and make the money.” Chuckles. “We’ve only been selling ads for 8 weeks, and I’d like to just show you about some of the brands that will be advertising with us during the second half of the year…”
18:25:38 <litwol> interesig
18:25:38 <Morbus> 11:25AM - “Nissan, Citi, Unilever, AT&T, Chanel, GE, Liberty Mutual, State Farm, Geico — they want you guys to have insurance! — Sears, JCPenny, Target, Best Buy, DirecTV, TBS network, and Disney. Those are some of the brands, and we couldn’t be happier. We’re so excited.”
18:25:41 <litwol> very very interesting
18:25:49 <litwol> in a year i wonder how this will compare to google revenue
18:26:00 <Morbus> i'm gonna make an app just to put ads on it.
18:26:13 <litwol> way ahed of u
18:26:19 <Morbus> Animated just like a flash ad. When you tap on it, it fills the screen or you can hit a button in the top left to close the ad.
18:26:19 <sbp> we only have like three of those brands in the UK
18:26:20 <sbp> heh
18:26:21 <xover> iAds.app
18:26:27 <sbp> we have... actually a few more
18:26:45 <Morbus> 11:26AM - “I wanted to pull an ad, Nissan is working on one for their fully electric car… they were hesitant to show it, but I really wanted to show you, so I convinced them.” Laughter.
18:26:52 <sbp> we have Nissan, Unilever (always sub-branded I think), Canel, Best Buy (very recent introduction), and Disney
18:26:56 <sbp> *Chanel
18:27:07 <sbp> Morbus: haha
18:28:06 <Morbus> 11:27AM - Showing the interactive Nissan Leaf iAd. Steve registered on the ad with his sjobs email address — laughter.
18:28:37 <sbp> 11:27AM "So now we've got this cool navigator on the bottom. It spins the car. The only way you'll be able to get one of these is through this ad on the iPhone. So if you want to get a Leaf you need to get an iPhone..."
18:28:46 <sbp> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-332-rm-eng.jpg
18:29:18 <xover> What?
18:29:49 <litwol> did he say you can buy the car only through iphone ?
18:29:56 <Morbus> no.
18:30:02 <sbp> I... think... he was joking
18:30:04 <Morbus> the contest to win the car.
18:30:07 <Morbus> is only through the phoe.
18:30:07 <litwol> h
18:30:09 <litwol> oh
18:30:11 <sbp> ah
18:30:14 <xover> Phew.
18:30:20 <Morbus> 11:29 am $60m committed to second half of this year for iAds from advertisers.
18:30:20 <Morbus> 11:29 am "How successful have we been selling iAds?"
18:30:30 <Morbus> iAds enabled July 1st.
18:30:49 <Morbus> 11:30AM - Steve’s talking display ad numbers. They’re looking at $60m of ad dollars in the second half of the year — “We think it’s going to be 48% of the entire US mobile display ad market. We think we’re off to a pretty great start!”
18:31:14 <sbp> monetising yo shit up in yo shit yo!
18:31:52 <litwol> yo dawg. i heard you like to make money so we put iads in your iads so you can make money while making money.
18:31:56 <Morbus> 11:31 am One more thing...
18:31:57 <Morbus> 11:31 am Audience claps.
18:31:57 <Morbus> 11:31 am "Those are the 8 things I wanted to share with you on iPhone 4."
18:32:03 <litwol> oh god /me shakes fist @ c4c influence
18:32:08 <Morbus> 11:31AM - “I think it’s best if I just show you.” Steve’s walking over to the demo.
18:32:08 <Morbus> 11:31AM - “I think it’s a lot more than people thought it was. What do you think?” Applause. “Well, we’re really pleased with it. But there is one more thing…”
18:32:16 <Morbus> 11:32AM - “I really want your WiFi devices off, are they off? Please turn ‘em off if you’ve turned ‘em back on.”
18:32:21 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_712.jpg
18:32:27 <Morbus> Lights coming up in auditorium lining curtains on wall behind Steve.
18:32:48 <Morbus> 11:32AM - Steve’s seated, and about to make a call to Jony Ive on the iPhone 4.
18:32:55 <Morbus> 11:32AM - FaceTime — video calling.
18:33:15 <Morbus> i wonder what will happen to live blogging at the NEXT keynote.
18:33:20 <Morbus> what with the fuck uppery it caused for this one.
18:33:29 <Morbus> 11:33 am Quality looks great.
18:33:29 <Morbus> 11:33 am Showing video call with Jony Ive.
18:33:32 <sbp> video calls
18:33:37 <xover> The iNinjas will assassinate anyone toting a wifi capaledevice.
18:33:39 <jsled> they'll work with cisco to get some non-wifi networking. :)
18:33:44 <Morbus> 11:33AM - “In 2007 when we launched the iPhone, I got to make the first public call on the iPhone…” Jony’s face shows up on the screen. “Hey Jony! This never freezes up, so you haven’t turned off all the WiFi — let’s get it off please!”
18:34:08 <Morbus> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_723.jpg
18:34:17 <Morbus> 11:33 am Mentions how video calling is a dream, but it's real now.
18:34:17 <Morbus> 11:33 am Little lagged, Steve accuses people in audience of not turning off WiFi.
18:34:20 <d8uv> What happened with the liveblogging fucking up the event?
18:34:24 <Morbus> The demo froze. Jobs asks people to turn off their Wi-Fi. [Ars Technica]
18:34:26 <xover> Yeah, see, that's what you're going to experience with video calling.
18:34:31 <sbp> hehe
18:34:33 <xover> The networks just really aren't there yet.
18:34:36 <Morbus> d8uv: 570 wifi networks, caused the iphone not to load web pages.
18:34:44 <d8uv> Haha. Awesome
18:35:12 <Morbus> lol
18:35:13 <Morbus> [[[
18:35:13 <Morbus> 11:34AM - Jony: “I did, too — I used to love the optimistic view of the future. And it’s real now, isn’t it?”
18:35:13 <Morbus> “It’s real now. Especially when people turn off their WiFi.”
18:35:13 <Morbus> 11:34AM - “Hey Jony how you doing?”
18:35:14 <Morbus> “I’m doing okay — except for these guys who aren’t turning their WiFi off. You know, this is amazing… I grew up with the Jetsons and Star Trek communicators. I grew up dreaming about this stuff…”
18:35:19 <Morbus> ]]]
18:35:38 <d8uv> That's awesome
18:35:41 <sbp> hehe
18:35:49 <litwol> why wifi ? cant he do this over 3g?
18:35:55 <Morbus> Call seemed to require WiFi, unclear if it works over 3G as well.
18:35:59 <Morbus> 11:35 am All you have to do is make a phone call.
18:35:59 <Morbus> 11:35 am No set up required.
18:36:01 <Morbus> sounds like 3g to me.
18:36:05 <Morbus> Both front and rear camera can be used, switching is easy.
18:36:18 <Morbus> ah, no:
18:36:18 <Morbus> [[[
18:36:19 <Morbus> Jason Chen:
18:36:19 <Morbus> You can do iPhone 4 to iPhone 4, anywhere there’s WI-Fi. (No 3G calling, as expected.)
18:36:20 <Morbus> ]]]
18:36:33 <litwol> soooooo we are finally catching to japan's technology from over 15 years ago ?
18:36:34 <litwol> awesome
18:36:50 <Morbus> litwol: if you want it faster, nuke the US.
18:36:55 <Morbus> starting over helps.
18:36:56 <sbp> as long as we turn all other wifi devices off, yep!
18:37:07 <Morbus> 11:36 am "Apple will ship tens of millions of FaceTime devices this year so there's going to be a lot of people to talk to."
18:37:23 <litwol> i have high hopes for 4g.. i think 3g was just the stepping stone to entice consumer appetite and i think 4g will deliver
18:37:27 <Morbus> a little sad there was no talk about game center.
18:37:31 <xover> Hmm. I wonder if they had the sense to talk to Cisco, Tandberg, and Polycom before launching this.
18:38:05 <sbp> they probably had to talk to Cisco about the OS name anyway...
18:38:20 <xover> If you can't participate in “real” video conferences this is pretty much just for dirty phone calls.
18:38:31 <litwol> hmm
18:38:32 <litwol> good point
18:38:34 <Morbus> i'm all for more lowcore porn.
18:38:35 <litwol> new era for cyber
18:38:47 <Morbus> People talking via sign language.
18:38:47 <xover> Cisco recently purchased Tandberg, and as regulatory requirement they had to publish some specs for VC interop.
18:39:05 <xover> There could actually be something there, as the timing fits.
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18:39:44 <litwol> i want to hear details about hardware cellcular specs .. as in what networks does this work for ? can it work in europe as well as us ?
18:39:44 <xover> Guy in a (girl's) lockeroom, leaving the iPhone in a stretegic place…
18:39:50 <litwol> what about china/japan?
18:40:12 <Morbus> facetime is wifi only.
18:40:27 <Morbus> Based on many open standards, h.264, AAC, SIP, STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, Apple going to standards body tomorrow to make FaceTime an open industry standard.
18:40:37 <Morbus> "That is the iPhone 4. We think it's the biggest leap we've taken since the original iPhone."
18:40:38 <xover> «quadband HSDPA/HSUPA»
18:40:43 <sbp> FaceTime is really, really its name?!
18:40:57 <Morbus> 11:40AM - “FaceTime… that’s number nine. That’s iPhone 4, and we think it’s the biggest leap we’ve taken since the original iPhone. I think you’ll agree there’s more to it than met the eye.” Sound like a vague Giz reference.
18:40:59 <sivy> it's not the worst they've done.
18:41:01 <Morbus> 11:40AM - “Price and availability! iPhone 4 comes in two colors, black and white — price is $199 in the US for the 16GB model, and 299 for the 32GB model.”
18:41:07 <d8uv> The facetime is a REVOLUTION! I mean, deaf people can now call their friends and sign language, finally allowing them to use the phone for the first time ever
18:41:08 <Morbus> cheap.
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18:41:11 <sbp> white. hmm
18:41:18 <litwol> what does quadband mean ?
18:41:25 <litwol> in geographical temrs?
18:41:26 <jsled> heh
18:41:43 <xover> 800/900/1800/1900MHz, I would guess.
18:41:43 <Morbus> AT&T is making an "incredibly generous" upgrade offer.
18:41:52 <Morbus> 11:41AM - “I’m thrilled to announce AT&T is going to make an incredibly generous upgrade offer. If your contract expires any time in 2010, you are immediately eligible for a new iPhone 4 at the same 199 or 299 prices if you top up your contract 2 years.”
18:42:03 <xover> Which means US + EMEA + Acia/Pacific, I think.
18:42:03 <sbp> http://edge-cache.gizmodo.com/gizmodo/wwdc10/WWDC53.jpg
18:42:07 <Morbus> sounds like they're opening it to other networks.
18:42:11 <Morbus> that is pretty generous
18:42:17 <litwol> excellent
18:42:19 <sbp> somebody has already illustrated xover's joke
18:42:27 <xover> AT&T updated those terms this morning by the way.
18:42:29 <litwol> so i'll wait a little for some one to hack that shit and then i can easily travel the world with this beautiful device
18:42:41 <Morbus> On sale June 24th.
18:42:51 <Morbus> with iphone os 4 on it?
18:43:01 <[bjoern]> Concerning the map of bits, that does somewhat take the fun out of it.
18:43:01 <Morbus> preorders june 15th.
18:43:06 <Morbus> from where? at&t store? apple.com?
18:43:10 <Morbus> 11:42AM - “Pre-order start a week from tomorrow. We’ll be hsipping in five countries, US, France, Germany, UK, Japan — in July, we’ll be doing 18 more countries.”
18:43:14 <xover> Morbus: OS was GM today, so yes, shipping with 4.0.
18:43:21 <sbp> oh good, they're not pissing on internationals so much this time
18:43:33 <xover> Yeah, I don't feel pissed on at all over here.
18:43:41 <Morbus> 18: http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_760.jpg
18:43:45 <Morbus> 11:43AM - “In August we’ll add 24 more, and in September we’ll add 44 more — we’ll be shipping in 88 countries. This will be our fastest rollout ever.” Accessories!
18:43:52 <xover> Ah, goig to announce the new iDildonics now.
18:43:55 <sbp> 18 more countries... gotta be .no too?
18:44:10 <sbp> yep!
18:44:12 <xover> The 18 more didn't include .no for the iPad.
18:44:15 <sbp> http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_760.jpg
18:44:18 <sbp> ^^
18:44:29 <xover> Yay!
18:44:33 <sbp> :-)
18:44:54 <sbp> hmm. 11:44AM - “A real nice dock.” $29. “Just like the iPad, we took a crack at doing a case ourselves, we call it a bunker.” Colors, $29.
18:45:19 <xover> iOS 4.0 free upgrade for previous iPhones!
18:45:20 <sbp> ah, June 21st I get the new iOS
18:45:30 <sbp> yay
18:45:32 <xover> Yay for abolishing that bone stupid subscription accounting shite!
18:46:37 <xover> Hmm. But no new Mac Pro, no new Mac mini…
18:47:01 <xover> Best Ive picture ever: http://photos.media.macrumorslive.com/p/2010-06-07/f1275936380.jpg
18:48:00 <sbp> nope, they don't really do desktops and laptops anymore
18:48:22 <xover> And no 10.7 info. :-(
18:48:34 <Morbus> xover: yeah, none of that was planned for this one. we knew that a month ago.
18:48:50 <xover> Both are overdue for a refresh.
18:48:51 <sbp> Chen points out no 64 GB version
18:48:57 <sbp> despite, you know, fucking VIDEO EDITING
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18:49:06 <Morbus> i still haven't filled out my 64g ipad.
18:49:12 <Morbus> i mostly just have 150 TED videos on it.
18:49:15 <sbp> have you been video editing on it?
18:49:16 <sbp> hehe
18:49:28 <xover> Or, you know, _one_ issue of Wired…
18:49:48 <Morbus> lol
18:49:52 <Morbus> i have that on there too, actually ;)
18:49:55 <Morbus> and about 65 games.
18:49:59 <xover> And Adobe wonders why they've been put on the hate list…
18:50:01 <Morbus> but the ted videos are the most of it.
18:50:11 <Morbus> it's actually two issues of wired, xover.
18:50:16 <Morbus> one in landscape, one in portfolio ;)
18:50:20 <xover> yeah
18:50:24 <Morbus> afk
18:50:58 <nsh> WHAT IS THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW?!?!?
18:51:16 <sbp> nsh: hi res mobile video porn
18:51:23 <sbp> with a long battery life
18:51:26 <jeanniecool> well, I'm kinda hungry, nsh, and still haven't figured out/decided what to do about that.
18:51:40 <nsh> i condone this news, sbp
18:51:48 <nsh> jeanniecool, i just had some fried onions on beans on toast
18:51:56 <nsh> well, the onions were kinda mixed into the beans
18:52:01 <jeanniecool> ...you must be English.
18:52:03 <nsh> so the exact on-under relationship is a little unclear
18:52:08 <nsh> and you, must be PENIS
18:53:01 <jsled> Does http://c1798852.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/apple-wwdc10_789.jpg say "liberal bias"?
18:53:21 <nsh> first letter of second word is A i think
18:53:26 <nsh> maybe Liberal Axis
18:54:04 <xover> Now bring the engineer that lost the prototype on stage and have him ritually executed!
18:54:24 <nsh> or Puberal Axys
18:54:25 <sbp> no, no, even worse
18:54:27 <nsh> .w axys
18:54:29 <phenny> Couldn't get any definitions for axys.
18:54:30 <xover> Crossroads of Technology and Liberal Arts
18:54:33 <sbp> show his picture on the projector in LOW RESOLUTION
18:54:34 <nsh> .oed axys
18:54:34 <phenny> axys (no ety.)...) * obs. forms of access, in special sense of ‘Attack; fit; ague.’ In this sense the word early acquired the Eng. accent 'access, and, its identity with ac'cess being forgotten, it was long treated as distinct.obs. forms of access, in special sense of _oq_Attack; fit; ague._cq_...
18:54:34 <sbp> muahahaha!
18:54:46 <nsh> .oed anis
18:54:46 <phenny> anis (ety. Fr. (Sp. an?s), lit. ‘anise...) * A liqueur or wine flavoured with aniseed. Cf. anisette.
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18:55:20 <xover> Coming up on 2hrs btw.
18:55:21 <sbp> did anybody suggest ANUS yet?
18:55:30 <sbp> I bags ANUS, if not
18:55:42 <xover> sbp bags anus, got it.
18:55:59 <jeanniecool> Penis?
18:56:07 <sbp> LIBERAL ANUS
18:56:11 <litwol> wai a econd
18:56:19 <litwol> did i miss him mentioning flash light ?
18:56:24 <xover> You went from anus to penis in less than a minute?
18:56:24 <litwol> ie: taking pix in dark?
18:56:36 <xover> LED flash on back.
18:57:18 <xover> You need it for all your spycam applications.
18:57:27 <litwol> that is awesome
18:57:30 <sbp> that's it, talk over
18:57:35 <nslater> not much of a spycam that advertises itself via a superbright led
18:57:43 <xover> Oh gawd. There's allready a “Baby Monitor” app on the appstore..
18:58:02 <xover> And he did say the camera was good in low light conditions.
18:58:10 <sbp> Mark Papermaster? really?
18:58:15 <xover> They'll be banning this in school all across the world.
18:59:27 <xover> apple.com updated
18:59:48 <nslater> xover: why?
19:00:37 <xover> They're allready banning picture phones; imagine the reaction to the video phone with awesome battery time.
19:00:54 <nsh> how awesome is this battery life?
19:02:09 <xover> ns h: http://photos.media.macrumorslive.com/p/2010-06-07/f1275933031.jpg
19:02:39 <nsh> that's day one
19:02:45 <nsh> how about half a year later?
19:02:52 <nsh> should really how a graph over time
19:02:55 <nsh> *show
19:03:03 <xover> Their claim to new battery tech is that that's not a factor for a good long while.
19:03:05 <litwol> 300 hoursof standby is bullshit
19:03:19 <xover> How much of that is true I don't know yet.
19:03:23 <litwol> during my trip in israel i had airplane mode.. and the phone would stay charged for over a week
19:03:45 <litwol> but the moment you turn on ANY (not all, just 1 is enough) edge, 3g, wifi, what ever.
19:03:48 <litwol> you get screwed
19:04:37 <xover> heh, and Macworld's front page has this:
19:04:40 <xover> .title http://www.macworld.com/reviews/product/523766/review/nuron.html?expand=true
19:04:41 <phenny> xover: Nokia Nuron Smartphone Review | Macworld
19:05:02 <xover> Ah “smartphone” with no built in wifi.
19:05:25 <sbp> they call it that because you'll be smarting after you buy one
19:05:28 <xover> It's not that the iPhone is so great, it's that every other mobile phone manufacturer is on crack.
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19:13:50 <[bjoern]> .gc "negative altitude"
19:13:50 <phenny> "negative altitude": 556
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19:17:44 <xover> sbp: http://ugliesttattoos.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/hamlet.jpg
19:18:09 <[bjoern]> "lol, typo!!"
19:18:14 <sbp> gotta have reading material...
19:18:57 <[bjoern]> "Could you help me read my laundry list?" "Sure ... wait, why are you undressing?"
19:19:55 <litwol> okey well
19:20:05 <litwol> see you guys at the next expo :)
19:20:08 <litwol> byeeeeeeessssssssss
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19:20:46 <clsn> wow at litwol's parting message. possibly true. but depressing. because I'm not.
19:21:37 <[bjoern]> For the right things, one should always be available.
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19:59:33 <[bjoern]> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/06/scott-allen-md-lead.html
19:59:34 <phenny> [bjoern]: Experiments in Torture: Physicians group alleges US conducted illegal research on detainees - Boing Boing
19:59:37 <[bjoern]> unpossible!
20:07:49 <[bjoern]> Unicode bug of the day: "O就eill"
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22:22:30 <[bjoern]> .u 1
22:22:30 <phenny> U+0031 DIGIT ONE (1)
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22:36:02 <sivy> .u 就
22:36:02 <phenny> U+5C31 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5C31 (就)
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