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08:58:51 <[bjoern]> "Finland makes broadband a 'legal right'"
09:06:49 <MaienM|Sleep> isn't that like, ancient news?
09:06:57 <MaienM|Sleep> I remember reading about that months ago
09:08:43 <sbp> —
09:08:43 <sbp> "She's been locked into pretty much the exact same outfit since her debut in 1941," Mr Straczynski said. "What woman only wears only one outfit for 60-plus years?"
09:08:45 <sbp> —
09:08:48 <sbp> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10459184.stm
09:09:41 <sbp> hmm
09:09:48 <sbp> "Leicester's lord mayor has apologised after his trousers fell down during an educational event for schoolchildren." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicester/10465457.stm
09:13:30 * danbri grins
09:14:09 <danbri> sbp! i was just thinking of you... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2010Jul/0020.html
09:14:11 <danbri> "Over
09:14:11 <danbri> the years, many bright people have investigated RDF enthusiastically,
09:14:11 <danbri> and left disappointed."
09:15:03 <sbp> reading
09:18:19 <sbp> tell PatH that history is pretty good
09:18:35 <sbp> either that or carpentry
09:20:40 <sbp> I don't know, it's a good email
09:20:45 <sbp> but I think you missed the boat
09:21:10 <danbri> why? I can still quit any day!
09:21:15 <sbp> heh, heh
09:21:28 <danbri> in some ways i did, spent more of the last few years around telly stuff
09:21:44 <sbp> well for example you say that RDF is "gappy, chaotic" and "... annoying"
09:22:10 <danbri> RDF is a computer language for representing gappy, chaotic and annoying information
09:22:21 <sbp> but you don't investigate why. the fact that it's gappy, chaotic, and annoying is more of a symptom of the underlying problems than the problem itself. well it's a symptom that goes on to cause a tonne more problems
09:22:32 <sbp> yes, but HTML is gappy, chaotic, and annoying
09:22:34 <sbp> and yet it works
09:22:56 <danbri> i only recently read your http://inamidst.com/whits/2008/ditching btw, i nearly wrote one myself when i was in a bad mood in 2005
09:23:03 <sbp> HTML is the opposite to RDF in the respect that ... yeah
09:23:26 <danbri> so HTML is similarly annoying if you try to match deep into its structures (eg. xpointer for rich annotations)
09:23:40 <sbp> "I wanted to make it as easy to use as JSON"
09:23:49 <danbri> they're both quite scruffy in their own way
09:24:24 <sbp> yeah, but what's happening there is that we had this really crap core which did all the crap things we wanted it to do, and then slowly evolved it into something a bit more sensible, with CSS and now with a lot of Javascript stuff
09:24:29 <danbri> i think main problem with rdf is overselling. If we said "Look, this is gonna be annoying,but what you get in return is dozens of overlapping databases that cover intertwingled topics..." i could live with that
09:24:31 <sbp> with RDF, it started with too much attention
09:25:04 <sbp> I don't think you can make it as easy as JSON though
09:25:06 <sbp> I did try
09:25:22 <danbri> easyness is a lump in the carpet
09:25:28 <danbri> or complexity, rather
09:25:30 <sbp> I worked on my Tabulator-done-right thing, and I couldn't make it happen
09:26:00 <danbri> if 100 people each have an easy time publishing stuff in whatever JSON structures they want, those on the aggregation end have a hard time
09:26:02 <sbp> because I realised that the layering system doesn't really help enough
09:26:09 <sbp> ah, no!
09:26:13 <sbp> that's *exactly* the mistake
09:26:24 <sbp> the commonality that RDF gives you, the triples layer, *doesn't help*
09:26:30 <danbri> it's interesting watching the discussion around activity streams, ... which wants both xml and json flavours
09:26:31 <sbp> you *always have per application merge issues*
09:26:48 <danbri> yeah, i am prepared to agree to 'triples are oversold'
09:26:53 <sbp> that's why Arcs wouldn't work
09:26:59 <danbri> they were originally proposed as metadata about content
09:27:02 <sbp> because I realised that for each application, you'd need to write a whole new viewer
09:27:06 <sbp> so it was like, what's the point?
09:27:09 <danbri> and lately people ask for too much of that content to be tripleised
09:27:16 <sbp> yeah
09:27:37 <sbp> I mean heck, you've got timbl and DanC writing BNFs in triples and W3C process in triples and...
09:27:45 <danbri> finding an excel spreadsheet instead of csv or triples ... well, it might be proprietary, but it's still quite useful
09:27:47 <sbp> it's a bit mad. makefiles in triples...
09:28:10 <danbri> owl in triples (rather than owl to describe triples) was a similar overstep
09:28:33 <sbp> I didn't like OWL anyway, for the reasons you describe in your email somewhere
09:28:40 <sbp> one of my favourite bits, lemme grab it
09:28:57 <sbp> —
09:28:58 <sbp> but we tend to stop there,
09:28:58 <sbp> and not to document the larger graph patterns that are needed to
09:28:58 <sbp> really communicate using these structures
09:28:59 <sbp> —
09:29:06 <sbp> note that I worked on that back in 2003!
09:29:14 <sbp> I made GraphSL
09:29:25 <sbp> it allowed you to put constrains on whole collections of triples!
09:29:33 <sbp> it allowed you to make RDF document types!
09:29:38 <sbp> it was a bit like Schematron
09:29:39 <danbri> schemarama stuff was in same zone
09:29:50 <danbri> yeah, which was an rdfization of schematron, exactly
09:29:52 <sbp> nobody ever paid any attention to anything like that, any time anybody did anything
09:30:01 <sbp> Sandro worked on a lot of stuff like that too
09:30:03 <danbri> well it kind of bubbles along ...
09:30:12 <sbp> yeah, but it never seeped in
09:30:17 <sbp> absolutely bizarre
09:30:23 <sbp> I mean the DIG group was the best reflection of this
09:30:25 <danbri> ... dublin core has idea of application profiles; even the very owl clarkparsia guys are doing it
09:30:38 <sbp> I was doing lots of stuff for them, and they were like "well you have to be more formal if we're going to release information to you"
09:31:06 <sbp> I thought that was crazy. I'm helping you out, and you think it's some symbiotic thing where I have to work over some sort of arbitrary threshhold before you'll *help me to help you*?
09:31:23 <sbp> really, things like that stupefied me
09:31:50 <sbp> that's why /ditching is a bit edgy in tone
09:32:01 <danbri> formal like n3?
09:32:20 <danbri> DIG was a mix of lots of different personalities
09:32:25 * danbri was never in it, as i wasn't an MITer
09:32:26 <sbp> formal like, you must write papers and work to the letter of the process
09:32:35 <danbri> pity
09:32:35 <sbp> exactly, you had to be an MITer...
09:32:48 <danbri> i know your hackings and thinkings were widely appreciated, in w3c team and beyond
09:33:01 <danbri> and even though you've betrayed the rdf cause, we still love you ;)
09:33:05 <sbp> heh, heh
09:33:24 <danbri> reading http://inamidst.com/whits/2008/ambient i quite agree, ... the thing is getting information out there
09:33:27 <sbp> I miss the RDF people too
09:33:34 <sbp> yeah, /ambient was better
09:33:37 <danbri> linking it is good, publishing it free/open is better
09:33:39 <sbp> ambient was William's idea anyway
09:33:45 <danbri> it's a shame you left sounding angry and dissapointed
09:33:59 <danbri> though i know the feeling too
09:34:10 <sbp> was I was angry and disappointed, and with cause
09:34:20 <sbp> you know, nobody ever said sorry
09:34:25 <sbp> or, we'd like to learn lessons here
09:34:35 <danbri> i just didn't see your post
09:34:35 <sbp> and judging from your email, they still don't
09:34:46 <sbp> sounds exactly the same two years down the road
09:35:03 <danbri> I don't think I owe you an apology for wasted youth etc
09:35:12 <danbri> but i wish the community had more focus on sharing information
09:35:20 <sbp> no, you don't owe me an apology for anything. and no single person in the community does
09:35:21 <danbri> and put the factual data bit of that problem in a sub-box
09:35:42 <danbri> chris schmidt bailed in a similar tone too
09:35:48 <sbp> but the community owes me an apology collectively. there needs to be a collective understanding of the sorts of issues that drive people away - which is exactly the point you're making in your own email today
09:35:50 <sbp> and AaronSw
09:35:58 <danbri> yeah
09:36:10 <sbp> I really enjoyed the RDF work, of course
09:36:12 <danbri> well, you joined of your own free will!
09:36:15 <sbp> learned a lot of peripheral things
09:36:22 <danbri> hmm not sure, were you a consenting adult at the time?
09:36:33 <sbp> chuckle, I don't recall
09:36:41 <danbri> aaronsw was crazy young
09:36:42 <sbp> actually yes, I think I'd turned 18 two months prior to learning about it
09:37:12 <sbp> long time ago now. damn man, you must be 53 or something now! :-)
09:37:35 <danbri> feels it some mornings
09:37:38 <sbp> hehe
09:37:58 <danbri> i'm 38 and a half!
09:38:05 <danbri> foaf is ten years old this month
09:38:11 <sbp> still counting the fractions, a sign of youth! :-)
09:38:13 <danbri> though it hasn't been very active since i left w3c
09:38:19 <danbri> :)
09:38:46 <sbp> yeah, I learned a lot and made a lot of friends
09:39:12 <sbp> but you know, at the end of the day, especially when many of my friends had stopped working on it, I wanted to concentrate on making the thing itself work
09:39:25 <sbp> hence my blistering activity at the end of 2007, I was really productive
09:39:47 <sbp> I looked at it very hard and became utterly convinced that it wouldn't work
09:40:00 <sbp> a lot of it due to community error, much of which I was involved in
09:40:27 <danbri> so i thought about writing a devastating critique...
09:40:30 <sbp> it did take a long time for us to learn a lot of these things. remember when we didn't realise that anonymous nodes, as they were called then, were existential quantification?
09:40:42 <danbri> and could probably have killed the whole project, if i'd tried
09:40:54 <sbp> and now you have Pat Hayes, of all people, wanting to forget OWL forever... :-)
09:41:15 <danbri> and the thing that stopped me, was it would've felt a shitty thing to do, given all the good-hearted energy lots of nice folk are putting into it
09:41:18 <sbp> PatH was always one of the smartest though
09:41:26 <sbp> hmm, yeah. but there's another side to that
09:41:26 <danbri> Pat was never an OWL DL zealot
09:41:31 <danbri> i have a lot of time for him and his perspective
09:41:32 <sbp> which is that you don't want people to waste their time on it
09:41:35 <danbri> yeah quite
09:41:43 <sbp> well, Hendler too
09:41:44 <danbri> i have a new mad diagram, http://www.flickr.com/photos/danbri/4701116181/
09:41:54 <danbri> excuse the graphic, i was playing with 3d tools on the plane :)
09:42:04 <sbp> I mean Hendler was an OWL DL zealot, but he was awesome... :-)
09:42:19 <danbri> wanted some way of putting the linked data / rdf stuff in a box, and saying that 'sharing information on the web' has several facets
09:42:47 <sbp> you're still making ontologies I see... :-)
09:42:56 <danbri> and the factual stuff is often best thought of as a route to the artifacts (books, videos, 3d models, podcasts), or to the people and perspectives, eg. reading a blog to understand someone's point of view
09:43:22 <danbri> grr ;)
09:43:27 <danbri> don't make me come over there!
09:43:40 <sbp> wish you would!
09:44:18 <sbp> been a few years now since I even saw libby, and she's always popping by
09:44:39 <[bjoern]> This be I.
09:44:44 <danbri> time does fly
09:44:45 <sbp> yo
09:44:47 <danbri> hi
09:44:57 <[bjoern]> Chatter, what's with it all?
09:45:09 <sbp> we're all reminiscing and shit
09:45:30 <[bjoern]> danbri is complaining about his age I see.
09:45:35 <sbp> "Remember when we flew the freak flag over the Battle of San Verdeux?"
09:45:54 <danbri> age, yeah ... not enough zeros at the end of it
09:45:56 <Talliesin> Yeah. I remember the days when I had a vague idea as to what was happening in the sem-web space.
09:46:06 <[bjoern]> I think people should just pick an age and then stick with it. That's what I am doing anyway.
09:46:15 <danbri> Talliesin, have a guess, I'll mark you out of 10...
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09:47:15 <[bjoern]> I don't think it has changed much, everybody still chasing research grants.
09:47:33 <sbp> I saw a talk that Jim gave once
09:47:51 <[bjoern]> Did it have a huge cock in it?
09:48:15 <sbp> and he showed the spending that was going on
09:48:18 <sbp> back in 2003
09:48:25 <sbp> there were $60m slices
09:48:32 <[bjoern]> Tasty
09:48:34 <danbri> http://jibbering.com/svg/talk2004/3.html :)
09:48:37 <sbp> but none of it was coming to any of the RDF enthusiasts that I know
09:48:50 <danbri> I am officially a bit skint
09:48:56 <sbp> I don't think W3C pay was including
09:49:03 <sbp> there was an amazing amount of military spending
09:49:08 <sbp> I think I have my notes somewhere
09:49:58 <Talliesin> danbri: wait. What am I guessing about?
09:50:07 <sbp> imagine if $1m of that went to the RDF IG...
09:50:10 <[bjoern]> Take a guess!
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09:51:23 <[bjoern]> Pouring money into the W3C... I guess it's possible someone might notice, an accountant for instance.
09:51:32 <sbp> hehe
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09:51:45 <danbri> w3c not awash with cash either
09:51:52 <sbp> the IG chair as treasurer, say
09:52:01 <sbp> hmm, if only we had the old IG chair around to ask how he'd spend it
09:52:02 <sbp> OH WAIT
09:52:14 <danbri> Talliesin, guessing at what the semweb community have been up to since you last looked...
09:52:35 <[bjoern]> Hey even DanC rather plays with molecules these days.
09:53:01 <danbri> well, who knows re 'rather', those kinds of decisions are always complex tradeoffs
09:54:20 <Talliesin> Hmm.
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09:54:43 <Talliesin> Probably attempts to be relevant to the facetube phenomenon
09:55:15 <[bjoern]> Meatspace is a series of Facetubes?
09:55:15 <Talliesin> microformats are actually getting a sort of traction and came above my radar in other ways recently, so perhaps some work there
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09:55:35 <Talliesin> [bjoern]: it's all merging into youtwitface
09:56:08 <[bjoern]> .gc +iGspace
09:56:08 <phenny> +iGspace: 2
09:56:35 <[bjoern]> .gc +igspacr
09:56:36 <phenny> +igspacr: 0
09:56:39 <[bjoern]> There we go
09:59:45 <Talliesin> I'd say there's probably a much richer set of theory, probably much of it above my computer-science level, but - while I'd hope I was wrong - less in the way of practical stuff.
09:59:57 <Talliesin> danbri: How'd I do?
10:00:28 <[bjoern]> Well when did you last feel remotely on top of things?
10:02:19 <Talliesin> Don't think I was ever "on top of things", but I had a bit of an idea about what was going on about, say 2004
10:03:46 <[bjoern]> Well on the practical side I would list SPARQL. Also, I think cwm had a new release after very long testing periods.
10:04:23 <[bjoern]> We had the whole RDF/A Microdata nonsense.
10:04:45 <[bjoern]> That kinda does feel like an adequate summary...
10:10:37 <Talliesin> I think some of that falls into the category of stuff I did know about, but have forgotten.
10:17:59 * danbri back
10:19:00 <danbri> so yeah, much needless hostility from all sides amongst geeks who should know better
10:19:13 <danbri> re practical stuff, there are bazillions of linked data rdf triples out there now
10:19:28 <danbri> nobody's quite sure what to do with them all, apart from scability tests on their infrastructure
10:19:39 <danbri> and rdfa seems to be settling into a niche
10:27:16 <[bjoern]> .bytes ä
10:27:16 <phenny> [bjoern]: '\xc3\xa4'
10:38:47 <[bjoern]> I think Opera are now calling segmentation faults "premature shutdown"
10:39:18 <[bjoern]> I guess it's more marketing friendly than the old fashioned "crash".
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10:50:35 <sbp> rather, it is a device which is exploding
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10:59:45 <[bjoern]> So does KML have anything useful if you have shitloads of placemarks, like, being able to specify a radius of influence and you don't get to see the placemark unless you've zoomed in far enough or whatever?
11:01:11 * [bjoern] rolls eyes a bit seeing how kml mixes atom:author into itself
11:02:32 <[bjoern]> There is <Lod> apparently
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11:11:27 <[bjoern]> Only been here minutes, but danbri is already sending mails about SGML to strange mailing lists.
11:12:35 <[bjoern]> Disturbingly, "Making a web is as simple as writing a few SGML files which point to your existing data." -- timbl; so Frontpage had its terminology right all these years.
11:14:04 *** [bjoern] changed the topic to: "#Swhack Major.Minor. Note these coordinates may change with later releases."
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11:58:09 <[bjoern]> 'Pope Benedict XVI has created a new office to "re-evangelise" the Western world in an attempt to roll back secularist advances in what the Vatican sees as the traditional heartland of Christendom.'
12:01:11 <archels> fuck yeah crusades.
12:04:40 <danbri> yeah, world's well overdue for another one
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12:05:14 <danbri> 'traditional heartland of Christendom', that'd be Palestine, I guess?
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12:49:37 <[bjoern]> Getting the feeling "spies" are the new "terrorists".
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15:00:40 <sbp> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4140/4738607791_f2e29f22fa_o.gif
15:00:40 <phenny> sbp: 12:16Z <Morbus> tell sbp orgrimmar cooking award? nice. http://cata.wowhead.com/search?q=date%3A2010-07-01#quests
15:04:07 <sbp> phenny: tell danbri http://inamidst.com/misc/man-with-a-huge-cock
15:04:07 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when danbri is around.
15:08:05 <danbri> :) is that from svgopen in tokyo?
15:08:06 <phenny> danbri: 15:04Z <sbp> tell danbri http://inamidst.com/misc/man-with-a-huge-cock
15:08:22 <sbp> not sure to be honest
15:08:30 <sbp> bad sbp, no EXIF provenance info!
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15:42:20 <sbp> http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/30/snoop_dogg_tries_to_rent_entire_country_of_liechtenstein
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15:48:41 <jeanniecool> Penis, SeanB?
15:49:03 <sbp> as a matter of course!
15:49:11 <jeanniecool> :-)
15:54:27 <Talliesin> Are they filled with cream?
15:55:00 <jeanniecool> ...of a sort.
15:59:36 <jeanniecool> Or so I hear.
16:00:52 <danbri> don't believe everything you read on the internet!
16:00:58 <danbri> (except this, obviously)
16:01:50 * jeanniecool licks danbri
16:13:32 * danbri was ready for that, arrived in a glass bubble
16:22:39 * jeanniecool pouts and pings on danbri's glass, much in the way of children at the zoo trying to get an animal to react
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17:31:23 <[bjoern]> I like how often Wikipedia points out that de:Kartogramm and en:cartogram are very different things.
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18:45:00 <laplink> All hail the Swhack!
18:46:18 <laplink> Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good
18:46:18 <laplink> When the levee breaks, mama, you got to go
18:47:14 <[bjoern]> There are a kind of people who will disagree with crying not helping.
18:49:24 <laplink> Tes, and we usually classify them as “Women”.
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18:52:14 <laplink> .title http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-4-Gyroscope-Teardown/3156/1
18:52:15 <phenny> laplink: iPhone 4 Gyroscope Teardown - iFixit
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19:07:53 <sbp> All hail for the laplink, for he beareth tunes!
19:08:02 <laplink> .title http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/matt-taibbi/blogs/TaibbiData_May2010/122137/83512
19:08:03 <phenny> laplink: Lara Logan, You Suck -- RollingStone.com
19:08:39 * laplink trips out on D'yer Mak'er…
19:09:19 * sbp is making his way through The Lost Mixes EP Vol.3...
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19:13:37 <laplink> They're wearing steel that's bright and true
19:13:37 <laplink> They carry news that must get through
19:14:32 <sbp> JPJ's song, that
19:14:46 <sbp> Black Dog is the most famous of the JPJ ones
19:16:38 <laplink> .title http://www.onefoottsunami.com/2010/06/29/dont-eff-with-fudgie-the-whale/
19:16:39 <phenny> laplink: One Foot Tsunami: Don’t Eff With Fudgie the Whale
19:17:11 <laplink> I honestly have no idea who comes out worse there, but I'm quite sure that stink ain't roses.
19:17:32 <sbp> "She did not receive her ice cream cake free of charge, proving there’s some justice in the world, even if it’s just very stupid justice."
19:20:10 <laplink> Who in their right minds give a Free Foo card to a Lohan-type celeb and then gets all surprised and pissy when she hands it to her hangers on in utter disinterest?
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19:21:39 <laplink> Shit, it's like giving a Free Booze and Drugs card to circa Exile on Main Street-era Keith and then being surprised he throws a three month party for a small village on it.
19:22:47 <sbp> by hangers on you mean her mother?
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19:23:20 <sbp> I'm surprised they didn't just be all "Lindsay Lohan's mother, her very mother, stuffs her face with ice cream RIGHT HERE! Come watch!"
19:23:28 <sbp> after all, it is Hollywood
19:26:37 <laplink> yeah
19:26:49 * laplink detours through Kashmir…
19:27:23 <laplink> But they do imply that they were ordering catering-level amounts with it.
19:28:17 <sbp> surely makes the spectacle even greater
19:28:38 <laplink> yeah, as I said, not a whiff of roses to be found there
19:29:14 <sbp> who the heck even is Ali Lohan?
19:29:17 <sbp> .wik Ali Lohan
19:29:17 <phenny> "Aliana Dee 'Ali' Lohan (born December 22, 1993) is an American singer, actress, and television personality best known for appearing in the reality TV series Living Lohan and being the sister of actress and pop singer Lindsay Lohan." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Lohan
19:29:32 <sbp> famous for being famous, great
19:29:37 <laplink> yup
19:30:07 <laplink> I have serious trouble finding the newsworthyness of any of that crowd.
19:30:57 <laplink> Did, e.g., Lindsay Lohan ever produce anything even remotely good, or was it just the various attention-seeking behaviors all the way?
19:31:47 <sbp> I don't know about that sort of thing
19:31:54 <sbp> but I know she has a lot of competition
19:32:06 <sbp> so if it was just attention-seeking, she must at least be spectacularly talented at it
19:32:53 <laplink> Oh god, another product of the Disney low-rent whore factory.
19:33:22 <laplink> No wonder they're keeping such a tight leash on Miley Cyrus.
19:34:10 <sbp> won't be long
19:34:25 <laplink> Apparently a video popped up on youtube that allegedly shows her “poledancing” (which, I guess, is supposed to mean more overtly sexual dancing in a stripper-associated style while using a stripper pole as a prop).
19:34:50 <laplink> (during a performance at some awards show or whatever)
19:35:02 <sbp> Cyrus, or Lohan?
19:35:07 <laplink> Cyrus.
19:36:03 <laplink> What the clip actually shows is her getting off the stage and onto a cart, on which is a pole for her to hang on to and keep her balance, while the scantily clad young male dancers push it around in front of the stage.
19:36:14 <sbp> heh, heh
19:36:58 <laplink> In addition to the boytoys, her backing dancers are barely wearing clothes, their dance moves mostly consist of hip-thrusts, and other extremely sexual moves.
19:37:53 <laplink> But all of this is apparently entirely normal and accepted; the big deal was that the relatively decently clad, and stiff as a pole herself, Miley Cyrus attempted dance moves within a couple of feet of what could be construed to be a dancing pole.
19:37:58 <sbp> how old is Cyrus now?
19:38:25 <[bjoern]> So, hip-thrusts are extremely sexual up there in Vikingsland?
19:38:35 <sbp> they are the way that they do them
19:38:51 <laplink> Now granted the dancers are sufficiently older than her that I don't feel particularly guilty over finding them kinda hot, but still…
19:38:52 <[bjoern]> Put me down as sceptical.
19:39:28 <sbp> we can offer you competetive odds on sceptical
19:39:47 <[bjoern]> But then how will I get even?
19:39:50 <laplink> .wik Miley Cyrus
19:39:51 <phenny> "Miley Ray Cyrus (born Destiny Hope Cyrus; November 23, 1992) is an American actress and pop singer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miley_Cyrus
19:40:14 <laplink> That makes her 18 (I hate age math), non?
19:40:23 <sbp> s/18/legal/
19:40:47 <[bjoern]> .o wa years since November 23, 1992
19:40:53 <phenny> years since Monday, November 23, 1992;17.6 years;17 years 7 months 8 days;918 weeks 3 days;6429 days
19:40:54 <sbp> .g is Miley Cyrus legal
19:40:55 <phenny> sbp: http://www.popcrunch.com/miley-cyrus-name-change-miley-cyrus-legal-name-change-from-destiny-hope-cyrus/
19:41:02 <sbp> heh
19:43:43 <laplink> «Dear Dr. Phil. My SO voluntarily went to see the new Twilight “movie” today. Should I be worried about her mental state, or possibly about a massive aneurism?»
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19:44:37 <[bjoern]> Stop stalking your superior officer.
19:44:58 <laplink> Take it easy baby, let them say what they will.
19:45:01 <laplink> Will your tongue wag so much when I send you the bill?
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19:45:56 <[bjoern]> I did see bills over -3000 EUR, so, possibly.
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19:50:31 <sbp> .gc +eurobills
19:50:32 <phenny> +eurobills: 40
19:50:43 <[bjoern]> .gc euroclinton
19:50:44 <phenny> euroclinton: 17
19:51:38 <sbp> .gc euroclintons
19:51:39 <phenny> euroclintons: 1
19:51:44 <sbp> .g euroclintons
19:51:44 <phenny> sbp: http://www.hengsthaltung-kathmann.de/cms/front_content.php?idcat=69&changelang=1
19:51:49 <sbp> had to be .de
19:52:01 <sbp> hahaha
19:52:11 <sbp> the photos in the sidebar are awesome
19:52:14 <sbp> THIS IS CLINTON
19:52:17 <sbp> THIS IS CLINTON TOO
19:52:18 <[bjoern]> Laughing about Hengsthaltung, Urte ... oh the sidebar
19:52:20 <sbp> THESE ARE ALL CLINTON
19:52:32 <sbp> guess Clinton is a horse then
19:52:46 <[bjoern]> He's younger than miley. A bit.
19:53:23 <[bjoern]> 2500€ a fuck apparently.
19:53:33 <sbp> oh, that's what Deck means?
19:53:47 <sbp> .o wa Bill Clinton's age in days
19:53:55 <phenny> Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.
19:53:59 <sbp> figures
19:54:08 <[bjoern]> Well, the verb "decken" in this case, it's also what you do in football so your opponent doesn't reach the ball...
19:54:10 <[bjoern]> .leo decken
19:54:12 <phenny> flash electroplating (tech.) = das Decken
19:54:12 <phenny> striking = das Decken
19:54:13 <phenny> jmdn. decken | deckte, gedeckt | = to back so.
19:54:14 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=decken
19:54:44 <[bjoern]> it's also the plural of blanket when used as noun
19:54:53 <[bjoern]> and ceiling and ...
19:55:20 <[bjoern]> .gc "nut/mother"
19:55:20 <phenny> "nut/mother": 785
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22:04:12 <[bjoern]> People who think "Literate programming" isn't bollocks should be forced to debug Latex with embedded Haskell "literate programs".
22:06:03 <sbp> you may recall I wrote an essay recently about literate programming being bollocks
22:06:19 <[bjoern]> yeah, but tl;dr.
22:06:42 <sbp> yeah
22:07:00 <sbp> tl;dr version: "literate programming: bollocks"
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23:19:53 <[bjoern]> http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/06/29/is-king-tuts-penis-missing/
23:20:23 <[bjoern]> "last week a group of German researchers overruled that diagnosis"
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23:42:10 <[bjoern]> 'Knuth "also stated that this successor of TeX will have features like 3-D printing, animation, stereographic sound."'
23:42:58 <[bjoern]> 'iTeX will be a subset of XML. The character set is Unicode.' does not sound that bad...
23:50:13 <jsled> July 1 is the new April 1 ?
