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11:32:19 <sbp> yo
11:32:27 <[bjoern]> nuyo
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11:57:45 <Mike_L> hi
11:58:40 <[bjoern]> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10505386.stm
11:58:42 <phenny> [bjoern]: BBC News - Turkey threatens diplomatic break with Israel over raid
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12:03:53 <archels> It amuses me how often Arthur C. Clarke is cited in my textbook on Antennas and Electromagnetic Propagation.
12:24:58 <Mike_L> can you fine folks give me your opinion on these logos? http://dev.tamale.net/static/logo.ideas2.svg
12:25:06 <Mike_L> and some more here: http://dev.tamale.net/static/logo.ideas.svg
12:25:49 <[bjoern]> the black r on dark blue cloud have terrible contrast.
12:26:20 <Mike_L> ok
12:26:57 <Mike_L> hmm... Chrome isn't rendering some of them properly, but Firefox is
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12:27:59 <Mike_L> [bjoern]: which one do you think is the best?
12:28:18 <[bjoern]> in ideas2 the last one isn't that bad.
12:28:39 <[bjoern]> But isn't that ... Vodafone or something?
12:28:54 <[bjoern]> well, not that far away
12:28:56 <Mike_L> uhoh
12:29:26 <Mike_L> close, but vodaphone's is red and upside down
12:29:39 <Mike_L> phew
12:30:01 <Mike_L> [bjoern]: thx :)
12:30:23 <[bjoern]> I am not much into Teh Cloud, so I don't care for those, but then I wouldn't become your customer either.
12:30:49 <Mike_L> ok
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12:34:53 <archels> The square HDD (first two in ideas2) looks professional. I also like the cloud HDD (3rd line from the bottom in ideas), but prefer the small (three/two particle) clouds.
12:36:57 <laplink> The cloud and the R seems good design elements, easy to reuse where the full logo won't do.
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13:25:33 <[bjoern]> Apparently the U.S. spends more money on fuel for their whole military than canada spends on their whole military. (cf http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jG8jK4gBYUEQ4wDEI3XXokLkv4-w vs Canada's military budget)
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13:33:07 <Mike_L> how about these: http://dev.tamale.net/static/logo.ideas3.640x2400.png
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13:36:13 <Mike_L> archels: yeah, I like the square hard drive, too :)
13:36:32 <Mike_L> laplink: how do you like the cloud outline? it doesn't have the contrast problem that [bjoern] pointed out
13:39:44 <archels> How about a cloud-shaped platter?
13:48:57 <Mike_L> I'll try
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14:30:55 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell cre8radix http://www.titanic-magazin.de/news.html?&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=3720&tx_ttnews[backPid]=3&cHash=e1ad7eec2ecdae319933c25f16900374
14:30:55 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
14:57:58 <[bjoern]> "In 2009, the European Union's OHIM trademarks agency forbade a German brewery to market a beer called "Fucking Hell". They sued, and on 26 March 2010 got permission to market the beer. They claim the beer is actually named after the Austrian village Fucking and the German term for pale lager, Hell."
14:58:51 <archels> #tasteless
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16:12:41 <[bjoern]> "An exotic snake used by a traditional doctor in South Africa hoping to affect the outcome of World Cup matches has been seized by animal welfare inspectors, a spokesperson says."
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16:28:11 <[bjoern]> "Shares in BP have risen amid speculation that Middle East investors may buy stakes in the oil giant."
16:34:13 <Mike_L> http://dev.tamale.net/static/logo.ideas4.png
16:34:59 <Mike_L> archels: I didn't have much luck making a cloud-shaped platter, but I found some nice iterations on the square hdd
16:35:15 <Mike_L> and I figured out how to make the round logo appear less like a fish head :P
16:38:54 <[bjoern]> "Iran says that Britain, Germany and the United Arab Emirates are refusing to provide fuel to Iranian passenger planes."
16:52:54 <laplink> .title http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/28/thirty-years-of-mac-in-two-minutes/
16:52:55 <phenny> laplink: Thirty years of Apple in two minutes
16:53:11 <laplink> It's scary how many of those I've either owned or at least used.
16:53:49 <[bjoern]> If it's more than none, then I agree.
16:54:33 <[bjoern]> .gc "tinker tinker little nerd"
16:54:34 <phenny> "tinker tinker little nerd": 0
16:55:08 <[bjoern]> They are all unbelieably hideous.
16:56:05 <laplink> Said the man professing his love for Smirnoff Ice…
16:56:40 <[bjoern]> The company was very pretty, don't recall the bottle design.
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16:58:55 <laplink> Your peers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiFOPRJk65o
16:59:14 <[bjoern]> Yeah I read about that, an unfortunate turn of events.
16:59:52 <[bjoern]> But you aren't surprised about americans runing something now, are you.
17:00:48 <laplink> I'm must admit to a slight surprise that you've implicated yourself with said `merkins, but…
17:01:19 <[bjoern]> Well that's a recent trend, my experiences are from way back.
17:01:27 <[bjoern]> And did not involve americans.
17:02:47 <[bjoern]> Didn't cross my mind even they might be aware of non-disgusting foodstuffs.
17:02:53 <[bjoern]> Like, consider what they think beer is.
17:04:59 * [bjoern] reminded to try baconnaise one day.
17:10:37 <laplink> .gs * profusely
17:10:38 <phenny> * profusely: sweating (5), narky, feed (4), michels sweats (4)
17:14:55 <Mike_L> http://dev.tamale.net/static/logo.ideas5.png
17:24:26 <[bjoern]> "Ah, complex laws. They have real and imaginary parts."
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17:27:39 <[bjoern]> "Exactly, a train can be far more massive than any airplane! Imagine what would happen if terrorists took control of a train and flew it into a building!"
17:31:12 <[bjoern]> "The facebook users brain activity, more closely resembles that of a women shopping, heroin addict getting a fix, or farmville player harvesting crops."
17:31:15 <[bjoern]> "... or nerds espousing their superiority over people who do things the nerds don't like."
17:37:34 <[bjoern]> "I'm trying to enjoy the vuvuzela concert and some prick keeps playing football"
17:39:35 <archels> Mike_L: How about an oblong outside shape on 37-39?
17:39:59 <Mike_L> archels: flatter or taller?
17:40:28 <archels> I don't know how you mean
17:40:40 <archels> or that as a cloud
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17:41:33 <Mike_L> I'll try that and work on the typeface tomorrow
17:41:39 <Mike_L> Thanks so much for your help!
17:45:01 <[bjoern]> "Apple dumped the geek/hobbyist market to go after the highly profitable moron/trendy market."
17:45:15 <[bjoern]> And the timing couldn't be better, seeing how many are moving from one category to the other?
17:53:55 <[bjoern]> "Yo dawg we heard you like Macs so we only put one pedal in your car"
17:54:55 <laplink> Why do you need more than one pedal?
17:55:08 <[bjoern]> I don't know, I am not a car person
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18:00:57 <[bjoern]> http://bash.org/?908184
18:03:28 <[bjoern]> "If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee"
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19:21:09 <[bjoern]> "In the latest case to hit the headlines, a couple in south London were threatened with a visit from social services after they let their children cycle unsupervised to school."
19:21:39 <[bjoern]> I did that in elementary school (~7km one way)
19:22:38 <[bjoern]> hmm Google Earth says it's 8 actually
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19:22:58 <[bjoern]> let's try a different route then...
19:23:48 <[bjoern]> nope, even a straight line is 7km, interesting
19:28:17 <[bjoern]> "Oliver and Gillian Schonrock were told by school authorities that they could be reported to social services for letting their daughter, aged eight, and son, five, cycle the mile-long journey from their home in Dulwich, south London, to school unsupervised." might have been a year older.
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19:29:50 <[bjoern]> "It is highly unlikely Bieber would be given permission to enter North Korea" - BBC pix caption.
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19:32:43 <[bjoern]> I like the checkbox on http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10501154.stm -- good way to make people feel stupid.
19:35:54 <jsled> wow re: cycling children.
19:40:19 <laplink> “…600m-euro observatory…”
19:40:56 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp So today I learned I like Ursa Minor, Ursa Major, and Boötes best for actually the same reason!
19:40:56 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
19:43:45 <laplink> “Planck is a flagship mission of Esa.”
19:43:52 <[bjoern]> phenny, tell sbp Also 404 on http://inamidst.com/notes/halligen
19:43:52 <phenny> [bjoern]: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
19:44:21 <[bjoern]> Yes, it's, like, Goofy and Max.
19:44:22 <laplink> So BBC's copy-editing now consists simply of Word's spellchecker.
19:44:45 <[bjoern]> WHERE ARE TEH ERROR?
19:45:10 <[bjoern]> (in the latter quote that is)
19:46:56 <laplink> ESA, the European Space Agency, is an acronym.
19:48:09 <[bjoern]> Like Benelux?
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19:55:54 <[bjoern]> phenny, sv en "fick en son"?
19:55:55 <phenny> [bjoern]: "had a son" (sv to en, translate.google.com)
19:56:37 <[bjoern]> ok...
20:02:10 <[bjoern]> "In a conscious effort to instil toddlers with a sense of independence, Nottingham Nursery School offers its two-to-five-year-olds a range of hands-on activities - including swinging on hanging tyres, making mud pies and woodwork classes."
20:06:10 <[bjoern]> Hmm yesterday - 25 years the DeLorean was sent + 25 years into the future, apparently
20:19:36 <laplink> Isn't that a local causality violation?
20:20:57 <[bjoern]> What isn't?
20:21:58 * laplink violates [bjoern]'s causality…
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21:24:55 <sbp> http://s3.amazonaws.com/0SAJ7JN5VFAWT249NNR2.anigifdel/9ed10d2d03872d41e7570d64e3cf178a
21:24:56 <phenny> sbp: 19:40Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp So today I learned I like Ursa Minor, Ursa Major, and Boötes best for actually the same reason!
21:24:57 <phenny> sbp: 19:43Z <[bjoern]> tell sbp Also 404 on http://inamidst.com/notes/halligen
21:25:34 <sbp> funny, I was looking at Boötes just the other night
21:26:39 <sbp> 404 is because the website is broken and I dunno how to fix it
21:26:46 <sbp> some really fucked up apache error
21:26:53 <sbp> and I don't control the server
21:26:57 <sbp> it's been broken for months, annoyingly
21:27:04 <[bjoern]> I do think we talked about that before yeah
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21:27:36 <[bjoern]> I think there may be botheron radiation interfering with you fixing it.
21:28:04 <sbp> well, I can't be bothered
21:28:10 <sbp> so I guess the botheron radiation is being blocked
21:28:20 <sbp> by a thick skin of uncaring
21:28:39 <sbp> meh, I'll look into patching just /notes/ now
21:28:45 <sbp> but the thing is, it's a site wide problem
21:28:48 <sbp> lots of scripts affected
21:28:50 <[bjoern]> I don't think that is how botheron radiation works, but I don't care much for looking it up
21:28:54 <sbp> DOCUMENT_ROOT is set wrong on the server
21:29:01 <sbp> so all scripts that rely on it are broken
21:29:17 <[bjoern]> Sounds like something mod_rewrite could fix
21:29:55 <[bjoern]> I do wonder why a script would depend on DOCUMENT_ROOT though...
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21:31:15 <sbp> hmm. interesting the notes script doesn't use DOCUMENT_ROOT
21:31:18 <sbp> so I don't know what's wrong
21:32:11 <[bjoern]> so notes is supposed to be a script generating both notes and notes/*?
21:32:47 <sbp> the rules are as follows:
21:32:47 <sbp> RewriteEngine on
21:32:48 <sbp> RewriteRule ^([^/]+)\.txt$ azimuth.cgi/$1 [L,QSA,NS]
21:32:48 <sbp> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
21:32:48 <sbp> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
21:32:48 <sbp> RewriteRule ^(.+)$ azimuth.cgi/$1 [L,QSA,NS]
21:32:57 <sbp> and azimuth.cgi is obviously the script that handles it all
21:33:05 <sbp> (basically a lighter version of blosxom)
21:34:06 <[bjoern]> I take it there are no corresponding files that would get in the way, otherwise you should not get a 404?
21:34:26 <[bjoern]> and the .cgi is where it should be
21:34:55 <sbp> yeah, it worked fine until the server config changed
21:35:05 <sbp> the .cgi is definitely there because I was just editing it
21:35:09 <[bjoern]> not sure why you would qsa here but that should not be the issue
21:35:14 <sbp> to patch the DOCUMENT_ROOT problem which doesn't manifest
21:35:16 <sbp> me neither
21:35:58 <[bjoern]> You may have a higher level rewrite rule that gets you to this place in the first place, and NS is blocking further rewrites
21:36:39 <[bjoern]> that would be quite consistent with the behavior we are seeing, since notes by itself works
21:36:57 <sbp> well that works because there's no rewrite for that
21:37:15 <[bjoern]> so there is a "notes" file?
21:37:20 <sbp> nope
21:37:29 <[bjoern]> then why is there no rule?
21:37:37 <sbp> because...
21:37:38 <sbp> DirectoryIndex azimuth.cgi
21:38:02 <[bjoern]> mixing those two seems redundant
21:38:08 <[bjoern]> take the DI out and and NS?
21:39:28 <sbp> done!
21:39:40 <sbp> still not found
21:39:44 <sbp> and now the index is broken
21:39:48 <[bjoern]> it is?
21:39:54 <sbp> well it's using the wrong page now
21:39:57 <sbp> which is somewhat expected
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21:40:21 <sbp> okay, added the DI back
21:40:33 <sbp> oh, I missed one NS
21:40:36 <[bjoern]> There are configuration details you are not telling me about, or passing /notes to the script is different from passing nothing to it
21:40:51 <[bjoern]> well of course the second NS is the one of note
21:41:00 <[bjoern]> the first one is for .txt reqs
21:42:14 <sbp> yeah
21:42:15 <[bjoern]> also possible this is a rewritebase issue, where you have /xxx vs just xxx or something
21:42:28 <[bjoern]> that confused me a few times back in the day
21:42:40 <sbp> yeah, but this was working
21:42:45 <sbp> it's worked for many years
21:42:53 <sbp> then, suddenly, not working
21:42:56 <[bjoern]> what does your cgi do when you pass /notes/halligen vs notes/halligen
21:43:17 <[bjoern]> Well there may have been changes upgrading from 1.3.x to 2.whatever
21:43:24 <sbp> so, from:
21:43:25 <sbp> RewriteRule ^(.+)$ azimuth.cgi/$1 [L,QSA]
21:43:26 <sbp> to:
21:43:34 <sbp> RewriteRule ^(/.+)$ azimuth.cgi/$1 [L,QSA]
21:43:36 <sbp> ?
21:43:47 <[bjoern]> Well I was really asking how the script would react
21:44:01 <[bjoern]> it would be more like /(.+)... to make a difference
21:44:10 <sbp> no idea how it would react
21:44:10 <[bjoern]> so the slash outside the capture
21:44:11 <sbp> will try
21:44:32 <sbp> still no workie
21:44:47 <[bjoern]> it might also need a slash there, then you'd prefix another slash ala ...cgi//$1
21:45:05 <[bjoern]> without the change to the match, so ^(.+)... .cgi//$1
21:45:25 <sbp> changed
21:45:27 <[bjoern]> but that is entering strange territories
21:45:32 <sbp> still no work
21:45:45 <sbp> I'm gonna modify the 404 to see what its ENV is
21:46:06 <[bjoern]> I was gonna suggest that, except I am not sure you get something meaningful out of it in this case
21:46:28 <[bjoern]> Does your .cgi ever emit 404, or is that purely apache?
21:46:43 <sbp> purely apache, there's a separate 404 handler
21:46:45 <sbp> which is working
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21:47:24 <[bjoern]> Actually now that I am thinking about it...
21:47:52 <[bjoern]> there is no .cgi/... file, I am not sure why apache would just pass it as argument in ... what's it called
21:48:08 <sbp> perhaps that's what QSA was for?
21:48:20 <[bjoern]> path_info
21:48:36 <sbp> view source of the 404 for the ENV now
21:48:43 <[bjoern]> well that's append query string, I thought that's to copy the qs over
21:48:51 <[bjoern]> but you don't have a qs
21:49:16 <sbp> hmm. 'REDIRECT_URL': '/var/www/inamidst.com/notes/azimuth.cgi/redirect:/var/www/inamidst.com/notes/azimuth.cgi/halligen'
21:49:43 <[bjoern]> .oO{ wtf is REDIRECT_REDIRECT_SCRIPT_URI? }
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21:50:04 <sbp> yeah. hehe
21:50:06 <sbp> 'REDIRECT_REDIRECT_SCRIPT_URI': 'http://inamidst.com/notes/halligen'
21:50:29 <[bjoern]> is that, like, the REDIRECT_ for the error doc, taking the REDIRECT from the subreq or something?
21:51:10 <[bjoern]> so does your cgi use path_info or expect a query string?
21:51:34 <sbp> I believe it uses PATH_INFO
21:52:01 <sbp> yeah, it does
21:52:04 <sbp> ooh, here's a possible clue
21:52:10 <sbp> # weird = '/redirect:' + env('SCRIPT_NAME')
21:52:11 <sbp> # if path.startswith(weird):
21:52:11 <sbp> # path = path[len(weird):]
21:52:17 <sbp> lemme try uncommenting that
21:53:07 <sbp> still doesn't work
21:53:14 <[bjoern]> You could put E=PATH_INFO:... in the rewrite rule
21:53:22 <[bjoern]> where ... is the value
21:53:30 <sbp> hmm, okay
21:54:20 <[bjoern]> RewriteRule ^(/.+)$ azimuth.cgi [L,E=PATH_INFO:/$1] # though I am not sure if you need to specify the whole script path or something instead of just the suffix
21:54:37 <[bjoern]> (in fact I am mostly guessing the syntax)
21:55:01 <[bjoern]> but doing just .cgi [...] should get rid of the 404, since apache will find the cgi then
21:55:19 <sbp> I hard coded :/halligen and :halligen for now
21:55:24 <sbp> neither work, anyway
21:55:38 <[bjoern]> Else, I would check if the script runs at all
21:55:55 <[bjoern]> like, print "Hello World" style output whatever the input
21:56:02 <sbp> okay
21:56:35 * [bjoern] .oO{ next step could involve strangling and repeatedly asking why you don't have RewriteLog on... }
21:57:00 <[bjoern]> Sucky apache decision there to make that root-only
21:57:22 <sbp> see http://inamidst.com/notes/
21:57:24 <sbp> gives "test"
21:57:27 <sbp> and http://inamidst.com/notes/halligen
21:57:29 <sbp> gives a 404
21:57:32 <sbp> so the script works on /
21:57:36 <[bjoern]> but halligen does not
21:57:40 <sbp> but is not being called at all on /notes/... yeah
21:58:05 <[bjoern]> you still have RewriteRule ^(.+)$ azimuth.cgi ... (not the absent slash)
21:58:09 <[bjoern]> ?
21:58:24 <sbp> yeah
21:58:31 <[bjoern]> (slashes, neither with the .+ nor with the .cgi)
21:59:13 <[bjoern]> [23:32] <sbp> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
21:59:13 <[bjoern]> [23:32] <sbp> RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
21:59:26 <sbp> the line is currently just:
21:59:27 <sbp> RewriteRule ^(.+)$ azimuth.cgi
21:59:30 <[bjoern]> could also be that request_filename is your cgi or something
21:59:31 <sbp> and I removed the two RewriteConds
21:59:34 <[bjoern]> take the conds out? good
21:59:47 <[bjoern]> if that does not work, i am out of antibotherones, I think.
22:00:45 <[bjoern]> .oO{ right now it's finding neither / nor /halligen... }
22:00:48 <sbp> okay, now I have:
22:00:49 <sbp> DirectoryIndex azimuth.cgi index.html index.txt index.cgi /list.cgi
22:00:49 <sbp> RewriteEngine on
22:00:54 <sbp> RewriteRule (.*) azimuth.cgi [L]
22:01:05 <sbp> and it still doesn't fucking work
22:01:12 <[bjoern]> and the cgi just "test"s?
22:01:19 <sbp> yeah
22:01:26 <sbp> right at the very top then sys.exit
22:01:33 <sbp> so basically no shenanigans from that
22:01:38 <[bjoern]> with text/plain content-type i hope
22:01:46 <sbp> yup
22:02:12 <[bjoern]> i suspect there are other rewriterules that get in the way, as my best guess then
22:02:30 <sbp> env in the 404 is different now:
22:02:31 <sbp> 'REDIRECT_REDIRECT_SCRIPT_URL': '/notes/halligen'
22:02:33 <[bjoern]> or an alias or scriptalias or whatever fuck you can force down apache's throat these days
22:02:42 <sbp> was the full URI previously
22:03:09 <[bjoern]> hmmmm let me check
22:04:00 <sbp> there's nothing weird in the root .htaccess that should be conflicting
22:04:04 <sbp> you can see for yourself:
22:04:09 <sbp> http://inamidst.com/.htaccess
22:04:38 <[bjoern]> RewriteBase /notes/ # not sure about the last slash -- might be worth a try
22:04:57 <sbp> kk!
22:05:05 <[bjoern]> but gowd i havent done rewritinx in ages
22:05:19 <sbp> I'm sure we all try to avoid it if possible
22:05:21 <sbp> I know I did
22:05:38 <sbp> ha!
22:05:42 <sbp> seems like it might be working!
22:06:38 <[bjoern]> so it does
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22:07:18 * [bjoern] assumes you are messing and does not mention the 500 on /notes/ currently
22:07:25 <sbp> yeah
22:08:03 <[bjoern]> ( http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_rewrite.html#rewritebase )
22:08:37 <[bjoern]> ( There I am already confused why it takes a URL-path and then defaults to physical-directory-path )
22:12:02 <sbp> aaaand, fixed!
22:12:04 <sbp> kind of
22:12:05 <sbp> good enough
22:13:07 <sbp> of course this breaks some static files there now
22:13:09 <sbp> but you know
22:15:48 <[bjoern]> So, not lost all my rewrite mojo.
22:16:33 <sbp> nope, heheh. danke
22:16:38 <[bjoern]> It's good you have those pages all dynamic and script generated, considering how often you change them.
22:16:50 <sbp> yeah. again, all the laziness
22:17:05 <sbp> in fact I was thinking recently of spidering the HTML files down and putting them up as statics
22:17:08 <sbp> should definitely do that
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22:17:27 <[bjoern]> Would be hilarious
22:18:40 <sbp> to be honest I didn't bother because I made a bunch of new files with much less junk in them
22:18:47 <sbp> basically just the essays themselves with a simple style
22:19:05 <sbp> but again, lazy, didn't publish them yet...
22:19:33 <[bjoern]> Abusing archived mailing lists as web site is so much more effective.
22:20:26 <sbp> yeah, that's why I use http://groups.google.com/group/whits for almost everything now
22:20:41 <sbp> and http://inamidst.com/whits/ just uses Feedburner's JS to render the contents of the group
22:20:48 <sbp> via a Yahoo! Pipes thing
22:20:53 <sbp> ALL VERY ROCKET SCIENCE
22:21:38 <[bjoern]> And often broken.
22:21:50 <[bjoern]> But then you said "JS" already
22:22:14 <sbp> yup!
22:22:59 <sbp> the main breakage is that it doesn't include a line break between the first two paragraphs. which I believe is a Yahoo! Pipes error. it does another weird thing too about linking when you have "<a href" in your text
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22:25:59 <[bjoern]> That interests me greatly, please elaborate in considerable detail!
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22:26:49 <sbp> okay, see:
22:26:53 <sbp> http://groups.google.com/group/whits/t/f87b35738520edc2
22:27:03 <sbp> http://groups.google.com/group/whits/t/2445b365e7273042
22:27:32 <[bjoern]> Sorry, I typoed "shut the fuck up", I will add my own punishment to yours.
22:27:51 <sbp> heh, heh
22:28:09 <sbp> one day you'll need Yahoo! Pipes to fix your mod_rewrite issue
22:28:12 <sbp> and then where will you be?
22:28:19 <sbp> .leo asylum
22:28:21 <phenny> asylum = das Asyl, die Freistatt, das Heim, die Irrenanstalt, psychiatrische Anstalt
22:28:22 <phenny> asylum (fig.) = der Schutz
22:28:25 <phenny> asylum seeker = der Asylant | die Asylantin (pej.), der Asylbewerber | die Asylbewerberin, der Asylsuchende (ein Asylsuchender) | die Asylsuchende
22:28:25 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=asylum
22:28:32 <sbp> one of those words, no doubt
22:29:00 <[bjoern]> Using Yahoo! Pipes, Irrenhaus, most likely
22:29:34 <sbp> Irr is like in Irrlicht?
22:29:38 <sbp> foolish-house?
22:29:42 <sbp> fools-house?
22:29:47 <[bjoern]> .leo Irrenhaus
22:29:48 <phenny> das Irrenhaus = loony bin (coll.), madhouse (hist.)
22:29:49 <phenny> das Irrenhaus (obs.) (pej.) = mental home
22:29:49 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Irrenhaus
22:30:01 <sbp> Irren is, I'm presuming, the plural of Irr fool
22:30:02 <sbp> .leo Irr
22:30:04 <phenny> Irr... = pseudo...   also: pseudo-...
22:30:04 <phenny> lunatic  a. = irr
22:30:05 <phenny> mad  a. = irr
22:30:06 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Irr
22:30:13 <sbp> WINHAUS
22:30:15 <[bjoern]> .leo irre
22:30:17 <phenny> crackpot = der Irre (ein Irrer) | die Irre
22:30:17 <phenny> lunatic = der Irre (ein Irrer) | die Irre
22:30:18 <phenny> madman  - pl. madmen = der Irre (ein Irrer)
22:30:19 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=irre
22:30:20 <[bjoern]> .leo irren
22:30:21 <phenny> (sichAkk.) irren | irrte, geirrt | = to act amiss, to err, to be at fault, to make a mistake, to be mistaken
22:30:22 <phenny> To err is human. = Irren ist menschlich.
22:30:24 <phenny> You've got another think (also: thing) coming. = Da irrst du dich gewaltig!
22:30:24 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=irren
22:31:20 <[bjoern]> After all this apache debugging I feel like it's the 90s. Except without the good stuff.
22:31:44 <sbp> there was good stuff in the 90s?
22:31:56 <laplink> phenny: tell sbp http://www.theonion.com/articles/unconventional-director-sets-shakespeare-play-in-t,2214/
22:31:56 <phenny> laplink: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
22:32:18 <sbp> haha
22:32:18 <phenny> sbp: 22:31Z <laplink> tell sbp http://www.theonion.com/articles/unconventional-director-sets-shakespeare-play-in-t,2214/
22:32:40 <[bjoern]> Compared to the 2000s and 2010s, ... what actually has gotten better?
22:33:02 <sbp> bandwidth
22:33:06 <sbp> often
22:33:14 <sbp> well, sometimes
22:33:17 <sbp> in my dreams
22:33:31 <sbp> also my hard drive is bigger
22:33:38 <[bjoern]> Yeah that was my first thought aswell, but then I care less about the throughput than about the flatrate bit about it
22:34:00 <sbp> funny. best improvement over the last two decades, and we both think "bandwidth?"
22:34:00 <[bjoern]> My hard drives were full then and they are full now.
22:34:44 <sbp> I think my sarcasm has got better
22:35:12 <[bjoern]> You've become less enthusiastic about things.
22:35:43 <sbp> yes! that can only be good
22:36:00 <[bjoern]> It goes well with the sarcasm at least.
22:36:03 <laplink> He's degenrated to Footie, F1, and Facebook!
22:36:22 <sbp> I started with F1
22:36:27 <sbp> F1 is what got me where I am today
22:36:30 <[bjoern]> What do you mean, degenerated?
22:36:32 <laplink> And no longer goes to bed at a sensible hour.
22:36:40 <sbp> oh this is quite sensible
22:36:57 <laplink> I mean exactly what I said, Smirnoff Ice boy!
22:37:06 <[bjoern]> That is a very recent development, or actually, wasn't that just a phase?
22:37:51 <[bjoern]> Look, I haven't danced with gay men since at least eight or so years.
22:38:15 <laplink> Piccs or it didn't… no. wait…
22:38:41 <sbp> I've never had Smirnoff Ice as far as I remember
22:38:53 <sbp> I did have pretty crappy alcopop thing once though
22:39:00 <sbp> tasted like mouthwash
22:39:10 <laplink> Thge operative word must be “remember”, considering the obvious degenration of your brain at this point.
22:39:17 <sbp> perhaps it was mouthwash, thinking about it
22:39:30 <[bjoern]> last i recall was like 2005 when wandering into an irish bar about to close, offering like 5 bottles for $very_cheapo.
22:39:31 <laplink> WHY CANNOT I SPELL DEGENERATE TODAY!?!?!?
22:39:52 <[bjoern]> Why you cannot spell things, a mystery it is to us.
22:39:55 <laplink> Mouthwash and moonshne is a winning combination.
22:40:06 <[bjoern]> yes, good ol moonshne.
22:40:08 <laplink> Just don't actually drink it yourself.
22:41:26 <laplink> Anyways, I leave you to your deliberations, in favour of hunting down suitable sustenance for indulging in a wee bit of escapeism.
22:41:55 <sbp> drink some Fucking Hell
22:42:04 <sbp> as featured earlier here on Swhack
22:42:36 <laplink> Hmm. I should convince the SO to go to the town called “Hell” in .no and engage in copulation just for the bragging rights.
22:43:34 <sbp> is it north of the arctic circle?
22:43:34 <[bjoern]> .wik Hell, Nord-Trøndelag
22:43:35 <phenny> "Hell is a village in Lånke, Stjørdal, Norway with a population of about 1500 people." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Nord-Trøndelag
22:43:39 <sbp> because that would be quite funny in itself
22:44:10 <sbp> awesome
22:44:16 <sbp> http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Nord-Trøndelag/Stjørdal/Hell/ - The Weather in Hell
22:44:23 <sbp> TOO MUCH JOKES
22:44:52 <[bjoern]> there are also three in the u.s. and one on the caymans
22:45:08 <[bjoern]> "Hell, Grand Cayman is a group of short, black, limestone formations in the northwest Grand Cayman town of West Bay. It is roughly the size of half a soccer field. People are not allowed in amongst the limestone formations"
22:45:59 <sbp> otherwise what?
22:45:59 <[bjoern]> Also one on the moon
22:46:00 <sbp> red card?
22:46:09 <[bjoern]> Play against Germany.
22:46:39 <laplink> As you can plainly see, the weather in Hell is quite clement, but not a snowball in sight.
22:47:09 <laplink> Oh crap, now I'll have to go there in winter to photograph the damn snowball.
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22:47:22 <[bjoern]> does appear to freeze over though http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Nord-Trøndelag/Stjørdal/Hell/statistics.html
22:47:51 <[bjoern]> From like December through March...
22:48:52 <laplink> Sure, there's nowhere in Norway that is not snowed over at some point of the year.
22:49:17 <sbp> there's even a snow hotel somewhere
22:49:26 <sbp> carved entirely out of the snow
22:49:32 <laplink> yeah
22:49:51 <laplink> And serves obligatory vodka in ice shot glasses.
22:50:21 <[bjoern]> (Smirnoff)
22:50:25 <sbp> glasses literally made out of ice I hope
22:50:35 <laplink> of course
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23:13:48 <nsh> .c (26*2+10)**8 / 1500000 seconds in days
23:13:48 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, no result.
23:13:56 <nsh> .c (26*2+10)**8 / 1500000
23:13:56 <phenny> (((26 * 2) + 10) ** 8) / 1 500 000 = 145 560 070
23:14:15 <nsh> .c (26*2+10)**8 / 1500000 / (24 * 3600)
23:14:16 <phenny> ((((26 * 2) + 10) ** 8) / 1 500 000) / (24 * 3 600) = 1 684.72304
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23:18:53 <bsh> "This document specifies the Category header-field for HyperText Transfer Protocol (HTTP), which enables the sending of taxonomy information in HTTP headers." "Web Categories" "draft-johnston-http-category-header-01"
23:19:08 <bsh> Shouldn't that be "Open Web Platform Web Categories 5" or something like that?
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