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01:38:24 <[bjoern]> "Open Spot for Android works by letting people who are leaving parking spots share their spots with people who are searching for parking. Earn 'karma points' and help others save time, gas and frustration (Requires Android 2.0; only available in US, Canada and the Netherlands)." - Google Labs.
01:53:39 <[bjoern]> "That\rquote s where our Seadragon™ technology comes in: delivering just the pixels you need, exactly when you need them."
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10:16:55 <archels> http://unevengoogle.com/
10:16:59 <archels> (don't know if old)
11:00:52 <Jibbler> http://therevolvinginternet.com/
11:29:03 <archels> loggy: pointer
11:29:03 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2010-07-16#T11-29-03
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12:48:45 <[bjoern]> http://ad101com-images.adbureau.net/ad101com/TechNET/Mircosoft/MOC_Student2_728x90.jpg
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15:58:22 <[bjoern]> "Mozilla Bumps Security Bug Bounty To $3,000"
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16:20:11 <laplink> My prediction for the Apple press conference regarding the iPhone 4:
16:20:38 <[bjoern]> They announce a new logo for their new Hold Different motto?
16:23:35 <laplink> Apple will announce that they were shocked, Shocked!, to discover that they've been charging customers $29 for a colored rubber band they call a case, that this product will from now on be priced at a more reasonable $.29, and that anyone who bought it will get Apple Store credit for the difference (and a free iPhone 4 thrown in by way of apology).
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17:13:20 <laplink> .t PST
17:13:21 <phenny> Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:13:20 PST
17:14:27 <sbp> when does it start?
17:14:35 <[bjoern]> tell us! tell us!
17:15:29 <sbp> oh, 10am pacific
17:15:32 <sbp> wouldn't that be PDT though?
17:15:34 <sbp> .t PDT
17:15:34 <phenny> Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:34 PDT
17:15:51 <sbp> guess it's 10 PST, this site says about an hour
17:15:57 <sbp> then again, maybe that was posted about an hour ago
17:16:05 <sbp> .t EST
17:16:05 <phenny> Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:16:05 EST
17:16:10 <sbp> nope, just posted
17:16:15 <sbp> so okay, about 45 minutes
17:18:40 <sbp> um, looks like it's started
17:18:41 <sbp> http://live.gizmodo.com/
17:19:28 <sbp> "This is life in the smartphone world. Phones aren’t perfect."
17:19:51 <sbp> 'Apple says they tested it in their 100 million dollar antenna lab, with 18 PhD scientists working on this problem, and they didn’t think it would be a big problem since “every smartphone has this issue,” they claim.'
17:20:08 <sbp> http://live.gdgt.com/2010/07/16/live-iphone-4-press-event-coverage/
17:20:25 <sbp> “We knew that if you gripped it in a certain way the bars would go down a little — just like every smartphone. It’s a challenge to the entire industry, and we’re hoping to make some contributions to this in the coming years.”
17:20:49 <sbp> "If you read all these articles out there, you might think half our customers have had complaints about this issue. What percent have actually called Apple about this? One half of one percent. 0.55%.”
17:21:01 <sbp> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0878-rm-eng.jpg
17:21:03 <sbp> good photo
17:21:08 <[bjoern]> They could have avoided this had the "lost" phone been properly tested, but no no, they wanted it back so badly.
17:21:28 <sbp> "Some of these other phones may be too generous. Our choice was to put the correct algorithm in. And we did that with the new update. You'll still see a drop... we haven't figured out a way around the laws of physics yet."
17:21:31 <sbp> cool photos of the chambers
17:21:32 <sbp> hehe
17:21:40 <[bjoern]> 100 million don't buy you what they used to.
17:22:28 <sbp> “The iPhone 3GS’s return rate as 6%, below the smartphone average. Everyone was really happy about that. What were they for the iPhone 4? You’d think at least half these people would be returning their phones. Well, we’ve got the data: it’s 1.7%.”
17:22:49 <sbp> so one in twenty people returned their 3GS?
17:23:44 <sbp> wow, apparently this was in the video: “Gizmodo is ridiculous with their anti-Apple strings. … If you don’t want an iPhone 4 don’t buy it! If you bought one and you don’t like it, bring it back!” I can’t — but also totally can — believe they’re playing this video.
17:24:08 <sbp> 1/3 of call drops
17:26:38 <laplink> 6% returns does sound pretty damn high, but it probably includes people getting cold feet about the high cost of the damn thing with days or few weeks.
17:27:14 <laplink> The 1.7% number for iPhone 4 is utter horeshite of course, it's not been out long enough to throw numbers like that around.
17:28:26 <sbp> my mistake on the call drop thing
17:28:29 <sbp> "Now Steve is going down the list of these factors. Smartphones have weakspots, AppleCare has not been slammed with complaints, return rates are super low, and it only drops "less than 1" call per 100 more than the 3GS."
17:32:53 <laplink> The fuck is wrong with saying “1% more” if that's what he means.
17:36:48 <[bjoern]> They may also realize after a few weeks that the thing does not make them more attractive.
17:42:50 <laplink> Incidentally, the latest Antennasys blog post supports Apple's take on this.
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17:43:49 <laplink> Including that an iPhone 4 with a bumper case actually performs better than an iPhone 3GS.
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17:44:40 <laplink> I don't particularly like their testing methodology (better than Consumer reports', but that's not saying much), but…
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17:51:55 <laplink> Yeah, the 1% thing is going to bite them. Articles are now reporting that the iPhone 4 drops 1 call in 100.
17:52:37 <laplink> Why, in the middle of spin control, would you hand journalists, of all people, such rope to hang you with?
17:52:59 <[bjoern]> Apple probably spent 99.999 million more on their testing though.
17:55:34 <[bjoern]> I see CutyCapt is now in Debian unstable. They could have considered mentioning that to me...
17:57:59 <laplink> «Maybe Eminem will come out with a band-aid that goes over the corner and everyone will want that.»
17:58:20 <laplink> Is that referring to something or do they have an even weirder sense of humor than I thought?
18:04:26 <sbp> "But the reaction has been so overblown… we could actually use your help here."
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18:06:58 <sbp> okay, why didn't they just put the antenna in the phone?
18:07:05 <sbp> if a case fixes it, why not have the phone itself be the case?
18:07:16 <sbp> I know the iPhone is packed, those cases aren't very thick
18:12:12 <laplink> Because the external antenna “fixes it” for 99.9% of users in 99.9% of circumstances, while the internal antenna would “fix” this minor problem, that mostly hits left-handed people, in very specific low-signal/poor-coverage circumstances.
18:12:58 <sbp> hehe
18:13:01 <laplink> Antennasys has it right, the “problem” here didn't exist until som idiot at Apple told a customer “Don't hold it like that”.
18:13:28 <sbp> you believe the figures, then?
18:13:39 <laplink> From Apple? Yes.
18:13:40 <sbp> I'm a little dubious of Steve saying it was probably a dodgy batch or something
18:13:44 <sbp> he seemed a bit vague there
18:13:58 <sbp> I'd also like to know more about this one more call dropped per 100%
18:14:01 <sbp> er, per 100
18:14:10 <sbp> that could be a double or treble increase for all we know
18:15:01 <laplink> Yeah, about that… that could easily be because the iPhone 4 has _better_ sensitivity and thus holds on to calls down to much much poorer signal areas.
18:16:30 <laplink> 1 more call dropped per 100 dropped calles on the iPhone 3GS does not make double or treble any way that I can see.
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18:17:20 <laplink> I'd say that's a 1% increase, but the reports saying it's 0.55% are probably close enough.
18:17:26 <sbp> if the base was 0.5 calls per 100, then 1 more would be 3 times. if it was 1 call per 100 dropped, then one more would be double
18:17:43 <sbp> okay, if it's half a percent for the 3G then that is treble the call dropping
18:18:10 <sbp> because that makes it 1.5% for the 4G, which is three times as many
18:18:10 <laplink> And if the 3GS dropped 100 calls and the 4 dropps 101 calls that would be…
18:18:38 <sbp> it's per 100, not 100 calls dropped overall :-)
18:19:28 <sbp> I like the bit about them going to people's houses and testing in real world situations
18:19:51 <sbp> I wonder if that was a random sweep, a friends and family thing, or a sweep of people who reported problems? would be interesting to know more about that
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18:20:25 <laplink> Yes “<number of calls dropped per 100 calls, on iPhone 4> - <number of calls dropped per 100 calls, on iPhone 3GS> == 1”.
18:21:31 <sbp> right. and if it's 1.5/100 on the 4 and 0.5/100 on the 3GS, then that's a threefold increase
18:21:43 <sbp> the overall number of calls dropped would be three times bigger on the iPhone 4 than on the 3GS
18:21:55 <sbp> imagine there are 5,000,000 calls placed overall
18:22:01 <sbp> .c 1.5% of 5,000,000
18:22:02 <phenny> 1.5% of 5 000 000 = 75 000
18:22:05 <sbp> .c 0.5% of 5,000,000
18:22:05 <phenny> 0.5% of 5 000 000 = 25 000
18:22:15 <sbp> on the iPhone 4 that means 75,000 dropped calls in total
18:22:24 <sbp> which is three times the number of those dropped on the iPhone 3GS
18:22:42 <sbp> if the 0.55% figure you had is right, coupled with the 1-per-100 increase that was mentioned in this press conference
18:23:17 <sbp> see how it changes dramatically though if the figure is 1% for the 3GS:
18:23:22 <sbp> .c 2% of 5,000,000
18:23:23 <phenny> 2% of 5 000 000 = 100 000
18:23:25 <sbp> .c 1% of 5,000,000
18:23:25 <phenny> 1% of 5 000 000 = 50 000
18:23:30 <sbp> now it becomes just a double increase
18:23:43 <sbp> so it's important to nail that down. "1 more per 100" is very misleading in terms of overall numbers
18:23:50 <sbp> if you don't take into account the base figure from the 3GS
18:23:54 <laplink> Yes, my point exactly.
18:24:25 <sbp> where did you get 0.55% from by the way?
18:24:34 <sbp> I see 0.55% of people calling in about reception issues, from the talk
18:24:44 <laplink> Could be.
18:24:50 <sbp> not of 3GS calls dropped. I think I remember Steve said AT&T will only release the vector, not the base
18:25:01 <sbp> which is unfortunate
18:25:01 <laplink> You supplied the 3GS part of that. :-)
18:25:21 <laplink> I thought I saw 0.55% mentioned as the percent increase in dropped calls from 3GS to 4.
18:25:38 <sbp> ah! nope
18:25:40 <sbp> I see now
18:26:50 <sbp> "Looks like that's it! Lots of questions still linger, if you ask us." - edgadget
18:26:53 <sbp> *engadget
18:27:47 <sbp> will be interesting to see what the mainstream non-tech media make of this
18:27:59 <sbp> any predictions?
18:28:12 <laplink> «Go talk to the Times [about potential for software fix], because you guys talk to yourselves a lot, and they’re just making this stuff up.»
18:28:25 <sbp> I predict something like "MASSIVE APPLE U-TURN ON THE IPHONE, CUSTOMERS STILL ANNOYED"
18:28:45 <laplink> They'll not buy Apple's take on it, but they'll lose interest in a couple of weeks and it'll all die down.
18:28:49 <sbp> actually the customers will be *angry*
18:28:53 <sbp> hehe
18:29:11 <sbp> especially if the oil cap blows up
18:29:24 <sbp> so we'll know who to blame if it does
18:30:41 <laplink> I predict that 99.9% of all people who actually buy an iPhone 4 and try to use it will slightly sheepishly wonder what all the fuss was about.
18:31:30 <laplink> Especially the fuckwads that for some inexplicable reason routinely buy protective cases for their precious $1 piece of shit phones.
18:32:18 <laplink> Not that that will prevent them from participating in a class action lawsuit against Apple for this terrible terrible product taht they've heard on Gitmodo has crippling reception problems.
18:32:36 <sbp> hmm. well that's what the 0.55% figure was
18:32:48 <sbp> so it's 99.45% of users that don't care enough about it to contact Apple
18:33:09 <laplink> See, I just pulled a number out of my ass and it still matches reality better than Gitmodo's “reporting”.
18:33:13 <sbp> hehe
18:33:31 <sbp> Jason Chen was "live blogging" from other feeds again
18:33:39 <sbp> how many years before Gizmodo are at an Apple event again?
18:36:19 <laplink> « I am disappointed in the lack of free ponies. » -gruber
18:37:07 <sbp> hehe
18:38:13 <sbp> where's that?
18:38:19 <laplink> df
18:38:54 <sbp> http://www.readmetro.com/show/en/NewYork/20100713/16/1/
18:39:09 <laplink> Oh, he updated the post to delete it, presumably knowing that feed readers will still show the text with a red strikethrough as a “diff”.
18:39:20 <sbp> w... oh, hmm
18:40:00 <laplink> Hmm. Not up on the web site yet. Weird.
18:40:13 <jeanniecool> No mention of penises?
18:40:53 <sbp> haha: 'I could be wrong and the thing could wind up just being 20 minutes of Steve Jobs telling us “not to hold it that way, or buy a case”.'
18:41:01 <sbp> Gruber. you were wrong
18:41:07 <sbp> well, kind of. you don't have to buy a case
18:41:13 <sbp> as long as you buy it before October
18:41:48 <laplink> As suggested previously, the only reall problem here is that the fucking criminals are charging $29 for a colored rubber band.
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18:54:13 <sbp> on BBC News!
18:54:21 <sbp> offering a free case
18:54:30 <sbp> apologised to users
18:54:37 <sbp> showing some of the conference now
18:54:47 <sbp> "We're not perfect, we know that, you know that. And uh phones aren't perfect either."
18:54:59 <sbp> they want to make all their users happy, that's what drives them
18:55:04 <sbp> now to the technology reporter
18:56:23 <sbp> they're amused at Jobs using the word "butts"
18:56:35 <sbp> now they're showing a bumper
18:56:40 <sbp> on the phone that belongs to their editor
18:56:47 <sbp> said it cost him 25 quid, which he can well afford
18:56:49 <sbp> hehe
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18:57:01 <sbp> coverage of Apple being annoyed at their coverage
18:57:20 <sbp> and that's it
18:58:06 <[bjoern]> good topic there
19:06:24 <Jibbler> http://www.seasickbrowser.com/
19:07:04 <[bjoern]> oh i get it, none of those things works in opera.
19:07:20 <Jibbler> worked in opera 10.60 when i tried it earlier
19:07:29 <[bjoern]> well 10.5x
19:08:54 <[bjoern]> also, wouldn't that mean they support either the webkit/moz property, which they should not, or the transform property, which they should not?
19:16:05 <[bjoern]> ahaha http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10340039 missed that one
19:17:03 <sbp> hehe
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20:04:45 <sbp> .title http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10665424
20:04:47 <phenny> sbp: BBC News - Apple offers free iPhone4 cases
20:05:54 <[bjoern]> The good thing about "modified utf-8" where you represent u+0000 with its two byte encoding is that you free one register where you'd otherwise keep the length or endpoint.
20:06:37 <sbp> what's the bad thing about it?
20:07:08 <[bjoern]> well, it's not utf-8 anymore, can't just pass the bytes around to things that expect proper utf-8.
20:08:00 <[bjoern]> including reading the original string, where decoding would just be validating, not utf8->codepoints->utf8 transcoding.
20:08:01 <sbp> .gc "Cost of Being Different"
20:08:02 <phenny> "Cost of Being Different": 58
20:08:07 <sbp> .g "Cost of Being Different"
20:08:08 <phenny> sbp: http://www.smwane.dk/content/view/65/36/
20:08:10 <[bjoern]> .gc "cost of holding different"
20:08:11 <phenny> "cost of holding different": 17
20:08:29 <sbp> .gc "Price of Being Different"
20:08:30 <phenny> "Price of Being Different": 78
20:08:46 <[bjoern]> .gc "I am the immovable object you heard about in philosophy class"
20:08:47 <phenny> "I am the immovable object you heard about in philosophy class": 0
20:08:52 <[bjoern]> .gc "I am the immovable object"
20:08:52 <phenny> "I am the immovable object": 9
20:09:09 <[bjoern]> .gc "I am the irresistible force"
20:09:10 <phenny> "I am the irresistible force": 2
20:12:42 <[bjoern]> good chinese snake oil saleseman story in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_force_paradox
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22:30:21 <[bjoern]> http://i.imgur.com/Baiu1.jpg
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