00:14:40 <[bjoern]> the logs are a lie.
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08:18:41 <Talliesin> There was an old joke about the US making their German scientists work 60 hours a week, and the Soviets making theirs work 60 hours a day.
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15:15:54 <[bjoern]> .thesaurus position
15:15:55 <phenny> IOError: [Errno socket error] (111, 'Connection refused') (file "/usr/lib/python2.5/httplib.py", line 683, in connect)
16:16:14 <[bjoern]> "Shon Meckfessel discusses how three of his friends - all US citizens - were taken prisoner by Iranian officials while hiking in Iraq near the border of Iran"
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16:20:09 <[bjoern]> "An Arab man convicted in Israel of rape because he pretended he was a Jew when he had consensual sex with a Jewish woman has called the verdict racist."
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17:01:45 <kpreid> I seem to recall an old swhackish thing which consisted of a scene of unicode-art, including a ☃ and a horizon and stars. Anyone have a URL?
17:02:35 <sbp> kpreid: yep, hold
17:02:59 <sbp> kpreid: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Aug/att-0016/scene.html
17:03:02 * kpreid poked around sbp's site, did not find
17:03:08 <[bjoern]> That's natural, you start seeing things like that when you hang around here long enough.
17:03:43 <kpreid> sbp: mind if I repost it somewhere?
17:03:44 <[bjoern]> It's all in the white space.
17:03:58 <sbp> thou mayest
17:04:07 <[bjoern]> I am sure we can come up with a reasonable licensing arrangement.
17:04:29 <kpreid> Done.
17:04:32 <sbp> see this very small space for terms and conditions:
17:05:02 <[bjoern]> You should post the license text alongside the Work.
17:05:23 <sbp> I did!
17:05:45 <[bjoern]> Yeah, but did kpreid!
17:06:13 <sbp> good question!
17:06:18 <kpreid> but of course!
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17:06:58 <kpreid> furthermore, I inform you of the distribution: https://caja-corkboard.appspot.com/
17:07:22 <[bjoern]> I advise not to click.
17:07:54 <kpreid> that would be excellent advice if you hate CSS3
17:08:03 <sbp> hmm, kpreid.switchb.org is no workie
17:08:28 <kpreid> that is an unfortunate bit of nonsense
17:08:37 * kpreid shakes a teeny fist at Google Accounts.
17:08:45 <kpreid> I should make it work anyway, though
17:09:06 <jeanniecool> Your penis?
17:11:22 <[bjoern]> I only like Open Web CSS 5 developed by some whacked trolls with googlings.
17:11:44 <[bjoern]> In fact I just twittered about that.
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17:17:21 <sbp> link or it didn't happen
17:17:23 <sbp> to ALL OF YOU
17:17:49 <[bjoern]> or else we'll all be xovered?
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17:39:03 <sbp> http://cache.fashionista.com/uploads/2010/07/Picture-74-260x248.png
17:50:13 * jeanniecool snorks
17:51:55 <sbp> blowing the ballast tanks
18:00:16 <jsled> phenny!
18:00:16 <phenny> jsled!
18:00:22 <jsled> no more phenny in ##homebrew?
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18:05:04 <kpreid> sbp: I fiddled stuff so that http://kpreid.switchb.org/ workie, as a redirect (config subject to DNS propagation delays)
18:05:22 * kpreid is big on There Is Only One URL
18:05:34 <[bjoern]> Why would you switch borg?
18:06:16 <kpreid> 'cos switchboards are archaic
18:06:39 <kpreid> whereas a switchborg is obviously futuristic
18:07:00 <[bjoern]> This Cube is Routing Phone Calls.
18:08:37 <sbp> yaythx
18:08:42 <jsled> sbp: thanks!
18:08:46 <sbp> yw!
18:08:55 <[bjoern]> Thank you jsled.
18:09:18 <jsled> no no, thank *you* [bjoern]
18:09:47 <sbp> we have to jThank one another these days
18:09:49 <[bjoern]> I don't take orders from people without umlauts.
18:09:56 <sbp> otherwise it won't run in the latest browsers
18:10:54 <[bjoern]> Careful, I've been js coding for over an hour today.
18:11:42 <sbp> sip water regularly, make sure to do some stretches
18:11:52 <sbp> *appropriate* stretches
18:12:12 <[bjoern]> Out of water, already resorted to milk out of despair.
18:12:22 <sbp> did you have to SUCK IT FROM A COW?
18:12:47 <sbp> I think you should be able to put a straw in a cow and suck out all the good stuff
18:12:52 <[bjoern]> I already thought the appropriate stretches were a sexual reference.
18:12:56 <sbp> milk, steak, leather. whatever you need
18:13:11 <sbp> and it should all just grow back
18:13:13 <[bjoern]> .wik Eierlegende Wollmilchsau
18:13:14 <phenny> "This page has been deleted." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eierlegende_Wollmilchsau
18:13:25 <[bjoern]> failpedia
18:13:25 <sbp> bound to be deleted
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19:30:39 <[bjoern]> I like how Google's Closure Compiler considers "Parse error. Unexpected end of file" a warning, not an error.
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20:01:32 <[bjoern]> One of these days I will learn why it is not utterly silly to have context-insensitive token recognition.
20:20:00 <kpreid> one thing it gets you is a guarantee that your language won't be non-compositional for that reason
20:20:37 <[bjoern]> non-compositional? like, closed under concat?
20:20:43 <[bjoern]> no, that can't be it
20:21:19 <[bjoern]> .wik Principle of compositionality
20:21:19 <phenny> "In mathematics, semantics, and philosophy of language, the Principle of Compositionality is the principle that the meaning of a complex expression is determined by the meanings of its constituent expressions and the rules used to combine them." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_compositionality
20:21:40 <[bjoern]> Well that does not seem to be affected?
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21:16:28 <kpreid> [bjoern]: if the tokenization is context sensitive then it's possible to make a mistake in the tokenizer such that there is a string of tokens which is a valid program but that is not produced by a reasonable input text
21:16:50 <kpreid> I'm not coming up with a *good* example offhand though
21:17:30 <kpreid> (whereas if the tokenization is context-insensitive, you can produce any sequence of tokens in a uniform way, so this type of mistake cannot exist)
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22:09:02 <jsled> phenny: "jungfernsteig"?
22:09:04 <phenny> jsled: Language guessing failed, so try suggesting one!
22:09:09 <jsled> phenny: de en "jungfernsteig"?
22:09:09 <phenny> jsled: "Virgin rising" (de to en, translate.google.com)
22:09:22 <[bjoern]> .leo Steig
22:09:23 <phenny> der Steig = hill-climbing, steep track
22:09:24 <phenny> Steig... = upstream a.
22:09:25 <phenny> der Steig- und Sinkgeschwindigkeitsmesser = climb indicator (aviat.), variometer (aviat.)
22:09:26 <phenny> — http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=Steig
22:10:05 <[bjoern]> You might mean Jungfernstieg though
22:10:16 <jsled> I did transpose those letters, yes. :/
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23:43:18 <[bjoern]> Alexander will probably get a "if not X then Y" operator if I add capturing to resolve ambiguities.
23:43:49 <[bjoern]> I do wonder what to call it though, given that it would be n-ary in the XML grammar format.
23:44:46 <[bjoern]> <firstOf >a b c d ...</firstOf> ... not thrilled about that.
23:46:41 <[bjoern]> Semantically it would be the same as <choice>a <intersect>b <not>a</not></intersect> <intersect>c <not><choice>a b</choice></not></intersect> ...</choice> but without the dreaded not/intersect operators.
23:52:35 <[bjoern]> perhaps it should be an attribute for <choice>
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